Re: [TIVNETINC] Digest Number 12862

[Michael Atovigba]

The problem with Tiv poloticians is that they do not use seating govts
to pull development to tivland.
Insteand, they go being impressionalistic with so called opposition politics.
They have no people oriented focus but self-aggrandisement. So when
they occupy elective/appointive office they fill their mouths with
embezzlements and leave tivland even worse off than they found it.
I look forward a political leadership that will eschew
selfaggrandisement and instead policise and implement sound farming
programmes that will put Tivland on its right track as food producers,
processers and marketers.
Mike Atovigba
BSU, Mkd


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> Digest #12862
> 1a
> Re: PDP Splits: Seven governors, Oyinlola, Atiku members of new fact by
> "Ricardo A" teewax86
> 2.1
> APPRECIATION by yonovagah
> 3a
> Re: Gov. Suswam Please Empower the Tiv Nation by
> 4.1
> Re: Sons of Tiv by Eugene Rubingh - 1969 - Reflections by "Dooyum Akerkpev"
> akerkpev_doo
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> Messages
> 1a
> Re: PDP Splits: Seven governors, Oyinlola, Atiku members of new fact
> Sun Sep 1, 2013 2:59 am (PDT) . Posted by:
> "Ricardo A" teewax86
> Aper,
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> Not this time around. Every thing under the sun has its time. The time to
> rig and the time to stop rigging. Nigeria must move forward and this is the
> time.
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> People who believe they might still rig elections may just be wasting their
> time.
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> RA
> On 1 Sep 2013 09:03, "Kwaghmande Aper Innocent" <aperkwa...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
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>> **
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>> Just as with God, all things are possible, with PDP rigging, all election
>> victories are equally possible.
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>> The Holy Spirit came not to reveal the LOVE OF POWER, but rather the POWER
>> OF LOVE to believers. Joseph Prince.
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>> *From:* Lord Uva <lord...@yahoo.com>
>> *To:* "TIVN...@yahoogroups.com" <TIVN...@yahoogroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 1 September 2013, 8:45
>> *Subject:* Re: [TIVNETINC] PDP Splits: Seven governors, Oyinlola, Atiku
>> members of new faction
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>> TT Gbem it looks like this your umbrella is leaking seriously. When will
>> you jump ship?
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>> I cant wait to have you and piido in opposition so that you would teach
>> APC how to play opposition politics
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>> *From:* TT GBEM <ttg...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* TIVNETINC <TIVN...@yahoogroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:49 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [TIVNETINC] PDP Splits: Seven governors, Oyinlola, Atiku
>> members of new faction
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>> Prof.,
>> Kwankoso has this illusion that being the governor of Kano qualifies him
>> to realise his dreams through mischief. He desperately wanted to become VP
>> under GEJ come 2015 and once that looked bleak, then he went bonkers. I am
>> happy he and others have made their move. let us wait and see how it plays
>> out.
>> Rgds,
>> TT Gbem
>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:39 AM, <MGa...@aol.com> wrote:
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>> Alamveabee...
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>> The key words here is "free and fair polls" Really????
>>
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>> -----Original Message----- From: Alamveabee Efihraim Idyorough <
>> ae_idy...@yahoo.com> To: TIVNETINC <TIVN...@yahoogroups.com> Sent:
>> Sat, Aug 31, 2013 5:19 pm Subject: Re: [TIVNETINC] PDP Splits: Seven
>> governors, Oyinlola, Atiku members of new faction
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>> I would want to see how Kwankwaso is more intelligent and politically
>> astute than HE GTS. We shall determine this when their parties go to a
>> free and fair polls under Jega. Some governors really have bad mouths,
>> really smelly.
>> Alamveabee.
>> Peace be unto you.
>> On Aug 31, 2013, at 5:15 PM, terkula ati <afroch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
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>> PDP Splits: Seven governors, Oyinlola, Atiku members of new faction
>> Lawal Shefiu <http://premiumtimesng.com/author/shefiul>
>> Published:August 31,2013
>> <http://media.premiumtimesng.com/dev/wp-content/files/2013/01/logopdp1.jpg>
>> *Oyinlola is National Secretary of new PDP faction.*
>> Nigeria’s ruling Peoples Democratic Party has finally officially split
>> into at least two factions.
>> A new faction, consisting of seven of the party’s 23 governors has
>> announced that it has taken over the party.
>> At a press briefing in Abuja, Bala Kaoje, a former sports minister, was
>> announced as the leader of the new faction of the party.
>> The press briefing was attended by at least seven governors including
>> those of Kano, Sokoto, Rivers, Jigawa, Kwara, Adamawa, and Niger.
>> Former Vice President Atiku Abubakar was also at the press briefing.
>> A former Osun State Governor and National Secretary of the PDP, Olagunsoye
>> Oyinlola, was announced as the National Secretary of the new PDP faction.
>> The party leaders said they took the decision to salvage the PDP from
>> those who have hijacked it.
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>> Premium times
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>> ATI
>> (Gandecihi U Gaambetiev)
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> 2.1
> APPRECIATION
> Sun Sep 1, 2013 3:02 am (PDT) . Posted by:
> yonovagah
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> Tyoor man Tyo cii,
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> I wish to apologise that I could not respond to your various kind
> words and wishes earlier than now, as I have been traveling since
> my appointment was announced. I do hope that you would all
> understand and bear with me.
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> I, hereby, wish to express my deep and sincere appreciation to
> all angbianev who took time off their busy schedules to
> congratulate and join me in giving thanks and praises to Almighty
> God for my recent appointment as a Deputy Director-General in the
> World Trade Organisation (WTO). I am truly overwhelmed by the
> outpouring of love, best wishes, prayers and the expression of
> friendship and brotherhood both on this Listserve and through
> private mails. In view of the large number of messages, it would
> not be possible to make any reference to specific names. So, as
> they say, msugh hanmaor sha indi man ichivir i nan.
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> Without trying to initiate any undue debate through my response,
> there are a couple of issues, which were raised by some angbianev
> that I believe I need to respond to solely for the purposes of
> clarification. First, I do not understand why my Senior, Prof.
> Myinaga Ikpah, instead of emphatically clarifying that I am a
> product of Mt. St. Gabriel's Secondary School, Makurdi, chose to
> ask whether I was from MSM, MSG or St Andrew's. While I do not
> wish to risk "writing any lines", or "cutting grass", or "lying
> down flat", it appears to me that, after all these years, Senior
> Ikpah is still his "very good oldself". Hahahahahaha!!!!!
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> Some angbianev have suggested I get one or two Tiv
> brothers/sisters join me in the WTO. I suppose that is how it
> should be. In fact, let me inform all that given the intrigues
> and highwire politics that engulfed the appointment process, I
> would not have made it without the full support the Nigerian
> Government, which was facilitated by the Honourable Minister of
> Trade and Investment, Mr. Olusegun Aganga, CON, and his Minister
> of State, Dr. Samuel Ortom, who is both a brother and friend.
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> Nevertheless, the real issue for me is that such a proposition is
> too narrow and too prescriptive. Rather, I would be happier to
> assist in capacity building on trade and trade-related issues,
> which may enable the beneficiaries fend for themselves in
> different capacities, including as consultants in trade policy
> reserach and analysis, trade defense lawyers, trade negotiations,
> as well as other specialised areas like trade in goods, services
> and intellectual property rights. I sincerely believe that with
> enhanced expertise, we would be able to find Tiv people in
> different trade and trade-related organisations outside the WTO
> itself. I, therefore, challenge any angbian with such interest to
> contact me privately so that we may explore all possible
> opportunities that would be convenient to their jobs and areas of
> interest.
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> Finally, angbian Nathaniel Ikyur asked what I still think of an
> article I wrote in The Nigerian Voice, some time in 1982. Let me
> say from the outset that my views have not changed in any way
> whatsoever. The ideas I referred to loosely in 1982 are all
> embodied in what has gained currency today as Public Private
> Partnership (PPP), although my honest opinion is that the current
> hype does not go beyond mere sloganeering. As in 1982, my
> position is that to produce the desired socio-economic impact,
> PPP should be embedded in the core principles of good governace
> focusing on the private sector as beneficiaries, partners and
> advocates. This also means a redefinition of the role of the
> State in the economy, especially by adopting those measures,
> programmes and projects that promote and support business and
> enterprise development (entrepreneurship). It is, therefore,
> inconsistent to preach that Government has no business in
> business while still anchoring economic and development policies
> on PPP. Experience has shown that the role of Government in the
> economy per se is not the problem, particularly if such
> interventions complement rather than replace market forces. It is
> only when policy interventions through administrative measures
> seek to replace market forces that they become distortive and
> toxic to economic growth and development. For now, this is all I
> have to say on this issue raised by Mr. Ikyur, I think.
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> Msugh ne cii. Lahadi kpa a doo.
>
> Yonov Agah
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> 3a
> Re: Gov. Suswam Please Empower the Tiv Nation
> Sun Sep 1, 2013 3:03 am (PDT) . Posted by:
> GTS to influence the emergence of a presidential candidate in APC/ACN?
> Trying to get my head round this but getting into a tailspin. Well, only if
> GTS decamps to APC, is this your calculation?
> Son
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mela...@live.com
> To: TIVN...@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 1 September, 2013 10:49:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [TIVNETINC] Gov. Suswam Please Empower the Tiv Nation
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> Luga.
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> Really?
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> Melvin
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> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: SBL <lugasam...@gmail.com>
> Date: 01/09/2013 10:13 (GMT+01:00)
> To: Tivnet <TIVN...@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [TIVNETINC] Gov. Suswam Please Empower the Tiv Nation
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> Drumming in a closed well.
> S.B LUGA ESQ
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> Sent from my Jechira made device powered by the Almighty God of hosts.
>
> "When a person has crossed the threshold of formative years with ill
> manners, he or she is lost, unless God gives him a new birth in his spirit."
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> -Rev Peter Ichull.
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> From: "mela...@live.com" <mela...@live.com>
> Sender: TIVN...@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 10:07:19 +0100
> To: TIVNETINC<TIVN...@yahoogroups.com>
> ReplyTo: TIVN...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [TIVNETINC] Gov. Suswam Please Empower the Tiv Nation
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> Tyoor man Ityo I Tivnet Cii.
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> I remember how happy and proud I was in 2003 when the Nom Yange u Tiv Chief
> Dr Barnabas Gemade decided to run for president, finally I thought a Tiv man
> may just be the next presidential of Africa most dynamic and populous
> Nation.
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> That dream never came to pass and suffice it's to say the Nom Yange's
> problem came at the hands of his Benue brothers and his fellow Tivmen in
> particular.
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> Championing this fight to disgrace Gemade was the then executive Governor of
> Benue State HE George Akume and a few others masquerading as Nation leaders
> of the Jemgbah people, and a few others who had an axe to grand with Gemade.
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> These anti Gemade proponents covertly and overtly blocked the chances of
> Gemade ever getting a short at the presidency, but unknown to them it came
> with a price of shaving Tiv's influence at the national stage, today not
> only are we naked but we have to become stooges to the idoma people calling
> the shots.
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> Recently some of us read with trepidation when the Minister of Trade and
> investment Dr.Olusegun Aganga replaced the name of Engr. Terhemba Nongo who
> was then acting DG of Nigerian export processing zones Authority with that
> of his inexperienced kinsman
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> Engr.Nongo was not just qualified for that position, he was the most senior
> dirctor in that parastartal. Let's also not forget in a hurry that NEPZA
> happens to be a parastartal under the ministry of trade and investment where
> a Tiv man happens to be a junior Minster. how and why Engr. Nongo lost out
> can best be imagined.
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> Today a Tivman is the opposition leader in the Senate, a two times Governor
> and a distinguished member of the Senate for six years and counting, isn't
> it time we advice him to run for president of this country, given his track
> record and the fact that he's from the fourth most populous ethnic group in
> the country?
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> Some of us have come to accept the fact though a little hard that the
> Governor is the leader of the state and thus Governor Suswam is the leader
> of the Tiv nation, hence this write up is addressed to him.
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> Governor Suswam has an opportunity to go down in history as a great man if
> he can let go of clannish bigotry.
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> I am appealing to GTS to use these remaining years to empower his people,
> not just youths who parade the latest cars in the streets of Makurdi and
> spent millions on hotels rooms, in forigen countries but serious minded
> individuals that can call anybody's bluff, men who have excel in their
> choosen careers, men like Prof. Jibo, Prof.Tseyor and many others that dot
> Tiv land.
>
> Fin ally I wish to appeal to the Governor to set aside whatever political
> difference with other people in the state and work for the collective goal
> of the state and for the advancement of tar tiv.
>
> Those close to senator Akume need to advice him to really start considering
> his chances to run for president, not only is he strategically placed but
> he's also the leader of the opposition in north central.
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> To those who feel they have an axe to grind with their fellow Tivman, I say
> learn the mistake of 2003
>
> Lahadi adoo.
>
> Mna Ichivir
>
> Melvin
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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> 4.1
> Re: Sons of Tiv by Eugene Rubingh - 1969 - Reflections
> Sun Sep 1, 2013 3:14 am (PDT) . Posted by:
> "Dooyum Akerkpev" akerkpev_doo
> Thanks for corroborating my claims on the issue of government grants, at
> least am vindicated over that one, the government in power I the 1960s had
> the power to change the policy then, but it did not until Shagari's time.
> that says a lot about the government-DRCM/SUM relations at the time, which
> sharply differs from the claims of TD.
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> On Sat, 31/8/13, Alamveabee Efihraim Idyorough <ae_idy...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [TIVNETINC] Sons of Tiv by Eugene Rubingh - 1969 - Reflections
> To: "TIVN...@yahoogroups.com" <TIVN...@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, 31 August, 2013, 17:17
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> the policy of giving grants to Missionary or Voluntary
> Associations was  an inherited practice under
> colonialism in practice since the 1920s and was abolished
> under the Shagari government of the 1980s.
> Alamveabee.Peace be unto
> you.
> On Aug 31, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Dooyum Akerkpev <akerkp...@yahoo.com>
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> am not accusing anyone here, I was only straightening out
> records of the actual happenings in Tivland during the
> advent of Christianity there. I have done that here
> repeatedly in the distant past when you were yet to
> decide on joining this forum.
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> Sir
> Ahmadu Bello visited the educational and health facilities
> of the DRCM at Mkar, particularly the Mkar Teacher College
> and the Mkar Christian Hospital where he was so impressed
> with the work of  the Dutch amongst the Tiv. Of
> particular note to him was the work of  Dr M.L. Du
> toit, a little South African lady Gynaecologist
> who pioneered primary (rural) healthcare in
> Tivland with her periodic but regular visits to rural
> health posts she established all round Tivland where she
> rendered gynaecological services to pregnant Tiv women thus
> reducing child and maternal mortality in the land. This lady
> singlehandedly conceived and built the maternity
> clinic at Mkar Christian Hospital from funds she solicited
> from charity
> organizations from her home
> country which  Sir Ahmadu Bello had the
> singular honour to come and commission. many of us were born
> at this facility. It is on record in the publication of
> one Rev. Edgar Smith, a North American SUM missionary, that
> this same Ahmadu Bello you seem to be
> getting desperate about, single-handely initiated
> and facilitated the process of the award of the MBE on
> Du Toit by the Queen of England in honour of his medical
> work among the Tiv. You can't convince me that someone
> who was out to frustrate the good works of the missionaries
> in Tivland as you claim, would at the same time be seeking
> high honours for the same people that he has so much disdain
> for.
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> think you are becoming desperate over this issue of Sir
> Ahmadu Bello and the DRCM in Tivland. The Dutch were
> expelled from their mission field in Nigeria on account of
> the apartheid policy of their mother country in the
> mid-1950s by the government at the centre then, the
> colonialists, not by Sir Ahmadu Bello, as a matter of
> fact, their mission field was also handed over to the
> American missionaries in phases until the
> last Dutch missionary vacated Tivland for good as late
> as November 1964 after handing over the Tiv Bible
> to the Tiv, close to ten years after they
> were told to leave, suggesting some
> level of tolerance by the government of
> Northern Nigeria in deference to their good work among the
> Tiv. So stop being
> desperate and try to be truthful over this matter. The
> things I tell you here are also lifted from the
> publications of the Dutch missionaries which I happen to
> have access to. It will surprise you after reading "The
> Nigeria Harvest", by Rev. Edgar Smith that the
> government of Northern Nigeria under Sir Ahmadu Bello also
> gave grants to Mkar Christian Hospital, Bristow Secondary
> School, the Girls School at Uavande, and Mkar Teachers
> College in the 1960s.
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> The Dutch did a good work for bringing
> Christianity to Tivland alone, let alone other
> bonuses, but note must also be made of certain factors
> that spurred them to do other things outside their core
> agenda of evangelism. This is all I seek to highlight
> without getting desperate about it.
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> From: Tavershima Dzenda
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> To: "TIVN...@yahoogroups.com"
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> Saturday, 31 August 2013, 18:09
> Subject: Re:
> [TIVNETINC] Sons of Tiv by Eugene Rubingh - 1969 -
> Reflections
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> Senior, you mix up things here. It was the
> responsibility of government which heavily taxed our people
> to educate us. These poor folks from South Africa gave us
> what they had when they were not under any human obligation
> to do so, and you accuse them of not doing enough because
> someone else came later and did something you think was
> better? That is not fair enough, snr. And since you have
> already judged and accused me of lying, let me continue with
> the lie here.Your Sir Ahmadu Bello expelled them because
> they were missionaries who interfered with his Islamization
> agenda in Tiv land. He only used apartheid in South Africa
> as a pretext. By the way, they handed over the Mission to
> the Americans before they left. It is on record that the SUM
> spent more money in Tivland than any other Mission in the
> world at that time. Another white lie?
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> From: Dooyum Akerkpev
> <akerkp...@yahoo.com>
> To: "TIVN...@yahoogroups.com"
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> Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re:
> [TIVNETINC] Sons of Tiv by Eugene Rubingh - 1969 -
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> about was not the post-independence era of the 1960s when
> schools like Bristow were created by the  north
> American SUM missionaries. I was discussing the 1920s,
> 30s and 40s. Even when the Dutch were forced by the
> activities of the RCM to start post-primary
> institutions, they only created a teacher training
> college for the training of grade three teachers at Mkar.
> Teachers had to move to Gindiri, Ilorin, Minna, and Bauchi
> for Grade Two teacher education. That is why professionals
> like doctors and lawyers and even Native Authority
> administrators in Tiv land during the early times were
> catholic people. It was when Bristow, which was  a
> creation of the north American SUM, not the Dutch Reformed
> Church Mission (DRCM) of South Africa, came on board in
> the 1960s that NKST people had their first crop of doctors,
> lawyers and other key
> professional people much later in the decade. When was St
> Michaels Aliade put in place?
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> NIGERIA HARVEST by Rev. Edgar Smith at the RTS Mkar Library
> and read to understand the good and beneficial relations of
> the NKST and Sir Ahmadu Bello as reported from the pen of an
> American SUM missionary who spent many decades in Tivland
> and you will convince yourself that you have told a white
> lie here.
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> Most of the
> stories you hear about Sir Ahmadu Bello and cling to as the
> gospel truth were stories that were flying all over Tivland
> during the Tiv riots of the 1960s  to
> achieve political ends of politicians, they were not wholly
> truthful as you are made to believe  but
> were very important  for the exigencies of
> the time and quite unfortunately, many people have allowed
> these half-truths and sometimes outright lies to do great
> damage to their blood pressure for nothing, long after the
> Hausa Fulani hero is dead. Knowing where I am coming from is
> of priority to me and this has forced me to do a lot of
> reading about the origin of Christianity in Tivland. This
> kind venture inevitably leads you to doing a more than
> passing study of Tiv history and this has made me to
> discover a lot of things about certain perceptions of
> other people and even issues that were/are deliberately
> forced  on us , the unsuspecting lay
> people to believe and propagate. Read those Europeans,
> whether missionary or colonialist, with great caution, les
> you would become a bozo
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> From: Tavershima Dzenda
> <drdz...@yahoo.com>
> To: "TIVN...@yahoogroups.com"
> <TIVN...@yahoogroups.com>
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> 30 August 2013, 21:04
> Subject: Re:
> [TIVNETINC] Sons of Tiv by Eugene Rubingh - 1969 -
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> missionaries worldwide to give instruction in indigenous
> languages where possible. They consider the job complete
> only after translating the Bible into the language of the
> people. They wanted us to read the Bible in our language.
> That primary goal was achieved in 1963, and I am very proud
> of knowing how to read and write in my language in primary
> school as a result of their effort. WM. Bristow Sec. Sch.
> Gboko was a donation of the North American Dutch
> missionaries and we were instructed in English. The then
> Northern Government of Sir Ahmadu Bello did not even allow
> them to erect the kind of structures in Bristow that they
> wanted to, saying that "even Ahmadu Bello University
> does not have those kinds of structures". The present
> Nigerian government is forcing our children to study Yoruba,
> Hausa or Igbo languages in Sec. Schs. to the exclusion of
> our language.
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