Re: {Brooklyn Prep Class of 1969} Know the score

[DeanM...@aol.com]

Now the Yunkees are horses??  Gee, I'm lad that you said that and not me - otherwise we'd see a flurry of new (overly sensitive) emails for about 2 months!!

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/23/2009 9:22:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ljgmo...@aim.com writes:

Dean

If you'd had a horse in the race last night you would never say that. Last night's game was absolutely gripping. And when it was all over, there wasn't a single viewer who had to be told the score. True, I would have enjoyed the outcome more if my team had won, but the reason October baseball is so much fun is because every pitch matters. I'm glad they have fun in Milwaukee, but give me Yankee Baseball.

Lar


-----Original Message-----
From: DeanM...@aol.com
To: brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 8:01 am
Subject: {Brooklyn Prep Class of 1969} Re: Response to 1 & 2

The problem is - when we start to talk about recent excellent Red Sox playoff appearances, Manny Ramirez enters the conversation and I'd rather not go there!

 

On another point _ I wish that we Eastercosters would develop a better sense of the game and how to root for teams.  I lived in Wiscosnin for a few years.  You could go to  Brewers game and have a great time and then remember , on the way out, to ask someone who won.  The UW football team would visit another team with about 30,000 fans and they're be no hassles at all, win or lose.  There's something about our part of the world, huh?....

 

 

In a message dated 10/23/2009 7:49:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DMc...@hblaw.com writes:

Franchises have histories. The Yankees have rich one and I will never stop talking about it. You are the one who defaults to 04. If you want to talk about current players, compare Jeter and Rivera to anyone on the Red Sox in terms of Championship performance.

As to the Celtics, I would be proud pf their history. Same for the Pats.

Finally, as to this season, well the numbers speak for themselves. The Red Sox were the winners of the first half of the season, then they got lapped by the Yankees. They lost more than 15 games in the standings to the Yanks. They were swept in 3 games.

Now I will go back to rooting for my team. They might not win, but they are battling every game. Personally, I have NEVER rooted against another team when my team has been eliminated. Bad karma.

Den
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From: brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com <brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com>
To: brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com <brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri Oct 23 07:37:13 2009
Subject: {Brooklyn Prep Class of 1969} Re: Response to 1 & 2

Dennis,

 

Its a really really tired line that you guys keep repeating about 27 championships and all that.  You're counting teams consisting of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, etc.   They're ALL gone and have zero to do with the team(s) of today.  Its delusional.  Yes, it is expected to be proud of a team's past glory - but - while the Celtics were in a drought (for about 20 years) their fans didn't keep repeating the fact that they'd won more BBall championships than anyone ever and start living in the days of Cousy, Russell, Bird, Parish, etc.   In fact, Rick Pitino had a famous press conference when he pointed out that Bird, McHale, and Parish were "not walking through that door".  His obvious point was that the past, especially teams with players long gone, have zero to do with this year's (or last year's or next year's) team - except that they can look up at the rafters or on the outfield walls and see banners and feel pride.  But performance is not affected and neither - this is the KEY point - is their standing in any particular season.

 

So - please, let's not hear about the 26 or 27 stuff, unless its in the context of recounting history.  In return I'll promise to never mention the 17 or 18 or whatever Celtic banners.

 

Dean

 

 

In a message dated 10/22/2009 10:47:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DMc...@hblaw.com writes:

Jose,

Just stating facts. No matter what the metric, no team in the history of MLB comes close to the Yankees.

Den
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From: brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com <brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com>
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Sent: Thu Oct 22 22:19:26 2009
Subject: {Brooklyn Prep Class of 1969} Re: Response to 1 & 2

No, but your arguments were totally one sided,  to the point that I was concerned. You referred to the Yankees as the greatest franchise in MLB, just to mention one incident.
It may be true but no man should be servile.

Best regards,
Jose J. Vargas

Oct 23, 2009 02:10:35 AM, brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Jose,

You need to direct this to Dean. I never said the Angels were out of it.

Den
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From: brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com <brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com>
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Sent: Thu Oct 22 21:54:31 2009
Subject: {Brooklyn Prep Class of 1969} Re: Response to 1 & 2

Dennis

I am not a Sox fan or a Yankee fan so I can assess the current situation without any  bias.
The Angels are not totally out of the race yet.
As Yogi Berra said "It's not over till the fat lady sings."


Best regards,
Jose J. Vargas

Oct 23, 2009 01:41:47 AM, brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Lar,

 

Dean was right the first time he mentioned 04.  The Yankees choked and lost to an inferior team (unlike this year's edition of the Red Sox, who got de-pantsed by a clearly superior team).  It happens once every 90 years or so.  For any Red Sox fan to somehow derive lasting satisfaction from that very distinct aberration just shows you how horribly deluded and desperate they are.  Relax, like I said before, once the Red Sox have shown a consistent ability to play with the greatest franchise in MLB history, then we can have a rational discussion.  Unfortunately, that won't happen in our life times.  Just remember this,the Yankees are 5 wins away from there 27th world championship.  The Red Sox are 173 away from their 8th.

 

As the great Ronald Regan said, "Facts are stubborn things." 

 

As to who hates the Yankees, I could care less.  Success always breeds envy.  The greater the success, the greater the envy.  Supporting an organization is a great and positive thing.  Hating something is negative and destructive.  It diminishes the hater.  So, if people want to hate the Yankees, that is their choice.  Too bad their team is not good enough to be playing right now, so they would have something positive to support.

 

Den

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From: brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com [mailto:brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of DeanM...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:44 PM
To: brooklyn-prep...@googlegroups.com
Subject: {Brooklyn Prep Class of 1969} Re: Response to 1 & 2

Larry,

 

I will state that it is absolutely positively my opinion that the Red Sox were beaten by the better team in this year's ALDS.

 

As far as their tete-a-tete's vs. the Yunkies  (is that the equivalent of socks?) - all that is empirical is that they paid each other 18 times and split.

 

Dean

 

 

In a message dated 10/22/2009 8:30:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ljgmo...@aim.com writes:

Dean

1) Very simply because YOU keep bringing it up first. (Most recently when you say the socks are "the only team which has proven it can come back and beat them [the Yankees]  in the playoffs". Is that not  a reference to 2004?  Do you forget what you say? ...or just not read what I say in response? Can you read?

 

2) How relevant is your second point here? If it has any relevance at all, maybe you'll start remembering to include in your references to 2004, that the Yankees beat the Red Sox more times in their meetings that season than vice-versa. You will also recall that the Yankees won the division title that year, and won over 100 games, completing the season with a better record than the team from Boston. If you think this is not relevant than drop the 9-9 argument, and face it - when the chips were down this year the socks folded up the tent while the Bronx Bombers rose to the occasion. Look I know it's hard to swallow the stuff, but it is entirely appropriate that you just eat some humble pie and stuff your 2007, 2004 claims to glory where they belong - in the past. (You know you're up against it if you start arguing big picture baseball history socks vs. Yanks.)

Come on now take small bites.

 

By the way, since you have not yet responded to your assignment for penance. I'll just tell you - the number (of home riuns Alex R has hit to date this post season stands at 5).

 

Your loyal New York fan friend,

Larry Garde
-----Original Message-----
From: DeanM...@aol.com
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Sent: Thu, Oct 22, 2009 7:08 pm
Subject: {Brooklyn Prep Class of 1969} Re: ReadSockses's Glory Days in the Past

Larry,

 

2 Points of (historical) information:

 

1) While 2004 was indeed 5 years, 2007 was 2 years ago.  Why do you keep forgetting the WS of THAT year?

 

2) The Sox-Yankees Series this year was a tied 9-9.

 

Dean

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/22/2009 5:48:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ljgmo...@aim.com writes:

The Red Sucks hadn't proved a damn thing before 2004. So why couldn't the Angels surprise everyone this year? This year the only thing the Red Stocks proved was that they didn't have what it takes to 1) win the AL East Division title, 2) Put forth the effort to win the division in the closing weeks of the season when the title was actually within reach, 3) to win a single post season game after wiggling into the postseason on the wild card ticket. The Angels have already proven they could beat Boston.  (This should all be, to quote a friend, ".'nuff said.")  One would expect it would follow that a fan of the latter team should hold his tongue on what is a "given" and what is not. That said,  I certainly hope you are right, and that the Yankees will advance to the World Series. They've got the makings of a championship team.

(By the way, Dean, 2004 was FIVE YEARS AGO. Ancient History!)

 Man, you are one stubborn, no-pie-eatin' son-of-a-gun.

 

Guess who

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thu, Oct 22, 2009 5:05 pm
Subject: {Brooklyn Prep Class of 1969} Re: Fw: Real Golfer?

Frank (not Pintauro),

 

Thanks for the advice.

 

Its a given that the Yankees will win the ALCS.  The only team which has proven it can come back and beat them in the playoffs is the Red Sox.  So, there'll be a Jersey Turnpike Series.   The fans on each side will outdo themselves.  (Non-Yankee fanatics understand what that means.)

 

Dean

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/22/2009 4:59:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fx...@pipeline.com writes:

 

I think you Bo-Sox lovers better start thinking about your golf game. Here is a little movie to help you along. I will watch the Yankees win tonight.. you guys watch this movie a couple of times!..Dean?Jaeg? Jose-lito?

 

frank ( not Pintauro)

 

[ljgmo...@aim.com]

Dean

It's called metaphor.

How is it that when you take it upon yourself to speak for the entire United States,  it's a fact; and when I come back with a well-reasoned rebuttal, it's "overly sensitive"?

(If you don't want to carry things on for 2 months, you have an option: shet up an' eat yer pie.

 

LG