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If you wanted a more authentic piano sound, you could have the notes in Sonic Pi and play them out through a sampler VST for which you can get real piano samples, which do respond to variations in key velocity.
@otterly Possible? certainly not easy...... -modeling-intro
The simplest solution is to send midi information to a synthesizer program.
Windows has the Microsoft GS Wavetable synth built into the OS. For other OS's you might have to add one.
Of you could use [vst] and use a VST plugin for the piano sounds.
The latest version is here...... -v0-4-0-released
and it can load both 32 and 64 bit plugins.
David.
I am composing a piece of music at the moment for a film that is sort of trying to show classic cinema in a new perspective. As such I am hoping to recreate the sound of the soundtracks of classic film and would like to make the piano sound is if it was recorded from a bygone era, as if it were a sample. I am hoping it would sound something like this
Also, I am fairly proficient with DAWs so if you have advice (EQ etc) about how the sound could be achieved with processing techniques that would be great too! But ideally I would get the desired sound from the recording.
The sound on sound synth secrets series goes into some depth on doing it on an analog synth, and FM gives you more tools to work with. The tone scaling options will help as well because the upper keys sound a lot different from the lower ones on a piano.
Thanks. I went through the settings again. I had the B1/B2 flipped. I was also skipping the Velocity Modulation settings since I was just testing on the Digitone. But after applying all settings and using an external keyboard, I think it sounds close to your recording.
is there a way to create good piano sounds with supercollider (no - I do not intend to create my own physical model) or would you rather use something like fluidsynth with a good soundfont that you control from supercollider via midi?
For the quick example, I just saved the preset file in the home directory. In practice, I would save it in the same location as the scd file, and specify the path as thisProcess.nowExecutingPath.dirname +/+ "piano.vstpreset". (Keeping all the resources together is simpler for project maintenance.)
The Salamander piano samples can be anywhere. Maybe create a /sfz folder where you keep all your SFZ instruments. Then you only have to drag the SalamanderGrandPianoV3.sfz file into the sfizz plugin editor window.
So you have to record at a lower volume. Record so your blue wave tips go up to about half to 3/4. Not any higher. If you can see the bouncing sound meter, you can get loud so the meter just starts to turn yellow.
The closer the mics are to the sound source, the less they are affected by the room. This is useful if the room is acoustically less than ideal. A common technique is to open the top and suspend two mics above the opening.
If the pedals are not being used, a single mic below the keyboard, with the bottom of the piano open, about 40 cm above floor level, pointing up and back towards the strings can work pretty well, but pedal noise can be overwhelming if used.
Having listened to your sample clip, by far the biggest problem there is, as Koz commented in his first reply, clipping.
Reduce the signal level a little to avoid clipping will instantly make a huge improvement to the sound quality.
I think the piano sound of NotePerformer in Dorico 4 is slightly distorted. Is this the intention of Wallander Instruments or Steinberg? Or is it the sound characteristics of the piano in NotePerformer? I am sorry that I could not compare the same sound in Sibelius and Finale, but I could compare it with the Steinberg instruments provided as an option when installing Dorico.
I attach an instance of an extracted mp3 audio file by Dorico.
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The funny thing is that the sound of the NP piano is still more vivid and realistic than the Garritan included in Finale and various pianos for Kontakt included in Native Kompletes, which sound clean or computer-sounding. Many piano sounds seem to be filtered through LPF because they sound a bit dark, but the NP piano is not, despite the distortion. The Ivory Piano is not cheap as a solo instrument.
Piano One comes from the Yamaha C7 concert grand, a true workhorse in the professional piano world, appearing on famous concert stages, in international competitions and in prestigious music events throughout the world.
My issue is: when I connect the controllers, I get an unexpected piano sound on the keyboard when playing. In other words, if I'm playing a violin sample in Logic, I get Violin plus Piano. The piano doesn't carry through to the recorded version but it's enough to put you off when you're trying to e.g. play string instruments with expression controllers, going from very quiet volumes - and you can't hear it because of the piano sound!
I thought it must be something to do with MIDI Controller local sound generation etc - but I don't think that applies to either controller (which otherwise aren't capable of independent sound generation). I've been through lots of different options but I just can't find something that fixes the issue. I thought it might just be a logic issue but then today I'm able to play the keyboard sounds before I even open up Logic to load in a sample. Oh and in Logic I've checked it with a project with a single violin track - but I still get the piano sound as well (so it's not that I've got a second piano track selected at the same time etc).
Hey des99, thanks for the reply. Yeah, it happens outside Logic so it's something on the system by the looks of it. Bit of a puzzle since I've looked through the audio settings etc and - some of the time - it doesn't play a sound, and sometimes it does. It's definitely got me stumped.
hmmm, just turned off laptop / keyboard / speakers and then reloaded. The piano sound is gone now. Maybe it's just a good old-fashioned case of things being fixed by a simple reset! Will try that again the next time it happens (instead of spending the time going through the settings etc!)
Thought it might be worth giving an update here. I discovered what the problem was - I often have ForScore (music notation software) open on my laptop. Turns out that since a more recent update, they have a setting that auto generates a thin piano sound from any connected keyboard.
Great, thanks for letting us know. Come to think of it this has happened to me before when I had MainStage open at the same time as I was trying to troubleshoot where that piano sound was coming from in Logic Pro. ?
I often have multiple DAWs and Finale open at once (like many others I'm sure), and frequently find myself puzzled by 'phantom sounds'. You'd think it'd be fairly obvious to me that it's coming from one of the other open apps, and yet somehow I manage to be puzzled anew (if only briefly) every time ? (Why is this piano doubled with an aggressive rave lead? ?)
That said, I agree with Fred; live piano sounds in a band setting are a different beast than solo or recording. I tend to shape my piano sounds to be band-ready, which does require a bit of getting used to. Especially the lower register tends to create mud and conflict with bass and kick drum, so I EQ generously, combining a low cut around 80 Hz and a low shelf that tames the boominess to taste.
I use two Bose L1s for my piano gigs (with Synthogy Ivory Grands plugin) and these give a very warm grand piano sound with plenty of power in small to medium spaces, or just as personal monitoring when a PA is in use.
The whole cut the lows on guitar is what makes a Rangemaster pedal. And countless hit records and star guitarists. That guy in U2 cuts pretty much all the low out of his guitar and sounds pretty good to me.
Has anyone succeeded in this? I read up stuff about emulating piano's with synths in general and managed to make some kind of piano'ish patch, though it reminds me of some string instrument more than an actual piano.
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So that's what I got so far, lots of key/velocity tracking mostly... is it possible to actually get some kind of realistic piano sound out of a TI1 desktop? Couldn't find a proper thread about this here so I had to make my own.
PCM architecture synths do a fair/decent job on pianos, however their patches are based on samples piano wavs. one per octave at the low end and 4 per note at the high end.
A realistic piano require significant samples to do well.. 150-400MB is not uncommon...or, a complete architecture for modeling like the Roland VPiano.