Rails for designers brug/workshop

[nicolas alpi]

Yop yop,

The guys from lesseverything are planning a Rails for designers workshop. (http://designonrails.com/)

I tough that is a great idea, as it's always good to have designers ready to work in HAML/SASS.

Is anyone interested in planning something like that as part of our September Brug?

We could a free evening HAML/SASS introduction and training in the PM Studio?

I'm definitively in, let me know if one or 2 other persons would be interested, and I'll ask Olivier for the space.

Nic 

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[Alex]

I'd love to pitch in, I've just been teaching my designer friend how
to get around rails / haml /sass etc. so It's already on my mind.

[Theo Cushion]

Does anyone use [compass](http://github.com/chriseppstein/compass) at all?

It seems that's where SASS really comes into it's own allowing frameworks like [blueprint](http://www.blueprintcss.org/) to be used while still having semantic class names.

Would be interesting to hear how people use some of the more advanced functionality like the extensions and mixins to keep CSS more maintainable.

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[nicolas alpi]

I did use it on my last project,

It's definitively a big win for an easy ie/ff/chrome compliant website and keeping a clean HTML/CSS

I haven't dived to much on all the mixins available as I only needed CSS2 stuff, but I've used all their blueprint and ie-bluprint mixins.

I just found the installation/configuration a little tricky.

Nic

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[Alex]

I hated the install / getting started (an hour long tutorial video??
sheesh) so I just stole a bunch of mixins out from the source code :)
Worked great for me, though I will be giving it another shot soon.

[Elliott Kember]

I use HAML/SASS for most of my projects. The only time it gets
impossible is when you're converting someone else's HTML into HAML.
You can convert using html2haml, but changes later on are a nightmare.

SASS, though, is great: I use it all the time. I've yet to try the
SCSS format, but it looks good - I used to use LESS and quite liked
it. I've only used Compass for watching files and automatically
converting them when they're saved - but recently I had a few problems
so just switched to using CMD-R in Textmate.

[Jamie Dyer]

I'd say LESS is better for designers than SASS as it's actual CSS rather than it's own markup so would require less time to learn.

[nicolas alpi]

LESS is nice, the only problem I have when using is it looks like CSS to much. Found it a bit confusing when nesting elements. Really prefer the SASS way.

Anyway, we have some great developers in the group, but when it comes to design it's always good to have designers that can work with our tools, so was thinking doing this workshop in an evening / afternoon, dedicated to designer who wants to work with Rails.

We could ask them before to have Rails installed, and forget about code, only concentrate on front end side with them.

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[Jamie Dyer]

We could create a simple application and let everyone download it to work with, that will cut out a lot of time in creating code to work with and allow everyone to concentrate on the presentation and view code rather than models/controllers

[Theo Cushion]

An opportunity to get a BRUG site redesign ;-) ?

[nicolas alpi]

Yea, good idea.

That looks like a "Blog application" good candidate.

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[Theo Cushion]

I'm getting a strange urge to make it CSS garden style so designers could commit there SASS in a subfolder and then switch between them on the front end.

[Theo Cushion]

So what are the key features that are required for the BRUG site?

Off the top of my head:

- Events calendar

- Members page with things like links to github?

- Blog !?

- Message archive?

On 20 Jul 2010, at 18:04, nicolas alpi wrote:

Hum, yea good idea as well.

We should keep in mind that if it's just an evening/afternoon, they wont be able to create fancy stuff, but we can let the sandbox open for people who wants to play with it.

Yea, the CSS Garden stuff is really cool! +1

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[Phil Wilson]

You're so conservative :)

On 20 Jul 2010 18:20, "nicolas alpi" <nicola...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not sure that we should ask them to design the Brug site.

Having a CSS Garden stuff, with 1 demo page is ok, but I don't like the idea of asking them to design the website.

Maybe we should create a new thread for the Brug website.

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[nicolas alpi]

:D

Good to see you back Phil :D

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[Alex]

What's the plan? I'm happy to help get something going for tomorrow.

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[Jamie Dyer]

We are meeting at the Jiva office, you'll need to call up to get the door opened, scroll through to jiva technology.

http://jivatechnology.com

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There are a few talks planned, if you have a talk too that would be great.

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[nicolas alpi]

Not sure if I'll find the time to finish my talk on Xapian, but we'll definitively talk about this Rails 4 designers workshop ;)

Nic

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[Alex]

We're not planning to do it tomorrow then, just run a full workshop in
future?

On Jul 28, 1:39 pm, nicolas alpi <nicolas.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure if I'll find the time to finish my talk on Xapian, but we'll
> definitively talk about this Rails 4 designers workshop ;)
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> Nic
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[Matthew Rudy Jacobs]

Like what time is it...?

[Graeme Porteous]

I prefer LESS.js [1] over SASS (although I like and use HAML). LESS.js runs client side and can watch .less files and automatically apply changes without reloading.

Graeme

[1] http://github.com/cloudhead/less.js
[2] http://fadeyev.net/2010/06/19/lessjs-will-obsolete-css/