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honeybee
Oct 24, 2008, 4:38:38 PM10/24/08
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Sir Pig....I think you have mistakenly posted the wrong link.
On Oct 24, 3:29 pm, Pig <vegas...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Big Labor Payoff: Obama & Pelosi Plot to Destroy Secret Ballot Rights
> for Millions of Americans
> by John Boehner
>
> At stake is the American working men and women’s right to preserve
> their privacy during workplace unionization elections – a right
> Democratic leaders like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid are
> ready to replace with a decidedly undemocratic process known as a
> “card check.”
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/brinker-moneytalk-and-marketimer-discu...
On Oct 24, 3:29 pm, Pig <vegas...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Big Labor Payoff: Obama & Pelosi Plot to Destroy Secret Ballot Rights
> for Millions of Americans
> by John Boehner
>
> At stake is the American working men and women’s right to preserve
> their privacy during workplace unionization elections – a right
> Democratic leaders like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid are
> ready to replace with a decidedly undemocratic process known as a
> “card check.”
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/brinker-moneytalk-and-marketimer-discu...
Pig
Oct 24, 2008, 5:04:08 PM10/24/08
to Bob Brinker Moneytalk and Marketimer discussions with The Beehive Buzz
Big Labor Payoff: Obama & Pelosi Plot to Destroy Secret Ballot Rights
for Millions of Americans
by John Boehner
At stake is the American working men and women’s right to preserve
their privacy during workplace unionization elections – a right
Democratic leaders like Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid are
ready to replace with a decidedly undemocratic process known as a
“card check.”
or
http://tinyurl.com/6nfmjo
Pig
Oct 24, 2008, 7:49:30 PM10/24/08
to Bob Brinker Moneytalk and Marketimer discussions with The Beehive Buzz
Sent to me by a friend:
Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that
read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.
Once in the restaurant, I saw that my server had on an "Obama 08" tie.
I laughed to myself as he had given away his political preference--
just imagine the coincidence.
When the bill came, I decided not to tip the server. I explained to
him that I was exploring the Obama "redistribution of wealth"
concept.
He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to
redistribute his tip to someone whom I deemed more in need--the
homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.
I went outside, gave the homeless guy $5 and told him to thank the
server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The
homeless guy was grateful.
At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment, I
realized the homeless guy was grateful for money he did not earn and
the waiter was angry that I gave away the money he did earn.
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in
concept than in practical application.
honeybee
Oct 24, 2008, 8:06:01 PM10/24/08
to Bob Brinker Moneytalk and Marketimer discussions with The Beehive Buzz
That is a beautiful story. If that happened a million times over the
next couple of weeks, perhaps a lot of people would have their eyes
opened!
.
next couple of weeks, perhaps a lot of people would have their eyes
opened!
.
Pig
Oct 25, 2008, 1:41:00 PM10/25/08
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Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber
Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal
Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow
The Columbus Dispatch
"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-
enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were
tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101
Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal
Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow
The Columbus Dispatch
"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-
enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were
tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/joe.html?sid=101
bigleagueblogger
Oct 26, 2008, 4:49:57 PM10/26/08
to Bob Brinker Moneytalk and Marketimer discussions with The Beehive Buzz
Oh my goodness, the largest newspaper in the State of Alaska says
voting for Caribou Barbie is just too risky.
OBAMA is by far the better choice they righteously note....
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, conservative commentator
Christopher Buckley and others have cited Republican presidential
nominee John McCain's selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin in
explaining their reasons for rejecting the Republican ticket and
backing Democrats Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
Now comes the ultimate rejection.
The largest newspaper in Alaska, a publication that has often sided
with and encouraged Palin over the years, has endorsed the Democratic
ticket.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20081026/cm_thenation/45376291
> http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/24/jo...
voting for Caribou Barbie is just too risky.
OBAMA is by far the better choice they righteously note....
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, conservative commentator
Christopher Buckley and others have cited Republican presidential
nominee John McCain's selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin in
explaining their reasons for rejecting the Republican ticket and
backing Democrats Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
Now comes the ultimate rejection.
The largest newspaper in Alaska, a publication that has often sided
with and encouraged Palin over the years, has endorsed the Democratic
ticket.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20081026/cm_thenation/45376291
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Pig
Oct 26, 2008, 5:21:59 PM10/26/08
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On Oct 26, 4:21 pm, Pig <vegas...@comcast.net> wrote:
Yo, Impy, here's a Firefox Obama extension for you. (I hope it's not
racist)
Instant access to Barack Obama and US Election '08 news, blogs, and
campaign updates in your browser.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8586
Pig
Oct 27, 2008, 10:53:24 AM10/27/08
to Bob Brinker Moneytalk and Marketimer discussions with The Beehive Buzz
In Radio Interview, Obama Laments Failure of Civil Rights Movement to
Redistribute Wealth
A taped radio interview from 2001 that has re-emerged has Barack Obama
saying the civil rights movement failed when it became so dependent on
the Supreme Court that it never got around to working toward
redistributing income.
The interview -- conducted by Chicago Public Radio while Obama was an
Illinois state senator and University of Chicago law professor --
delves into whether the civil rights movement should have gone further
so that when "dispossessed peoples" appealed to the high court on the
right to sit at the lunch counter they should have also appealed for
the right to have someone else pay for the meal.
HUH? THE RIGHT TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE PAY FOR THE MEAL?????
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/radio-interview-obama-laments-lack-supreme-court-ruling-redistributing-wealth/
bigleagueblogger
Oct 27, 2008, 11:39:45 AM10/27/08
to Bob Brinker Moneytalk and Marketimer discussions with The Beehive Buzz
I'm not clicking on some fox link to read even more racist comments by
some saggy titted born-again Christian nutcase.
You drove poor Clark right out of here with your nasty comments and
attacks. Honey even called him a limp weenie. Saggy titted comments
would be better.
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/radio-interview-obama-laments...
some saggy titted born-again Christian nutcase.
You drove poor Clark right out of here with your nasty comments and
attacks. Honey even called him a limp weenie. Saggy titted comments
would be better.
honeybee
Oct 27, 2008, 11:44:00 AM10/27/08
to Bob Brinker Moneytalk and Marketimer discussions with The Beehive Buzz
Sir Pig,
I am copying this here so we can refer back to it if we want to:
.
A 7-year-old radio interview in which Barack Obama discussed the
failure of the Supreme Court to rule on redistributing wealth in its
civil rights rulings has given fresh ammunition to critics who say the
Democratic presidential candidate has a socialist agenda.
The interview -- conducted by Chicago Public Radio in 2001, while
Obama was an Illinois state senator and a law professor at the
University of Chicago -- delves into whether the civil rights movement
should have gone further than it did, so that when "dispossessed
in some regards, but failed to create a "redistributive change" in its
appeals to the Supreme Court, led at the time by Chief Justice Earl
Warren. He suggested that such change should occur at the state
legislature level, since the courts did not interpret the U.S.
Constitution to permit such change.
"The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of
wealth and sort of basic issues of political and economic justice in
this society, and to that extent as radical as people try to
characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical," Obama said in
the interview, a recording of which surfaced on the Internet over the
weekend.
"It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed
by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it has been
interpreted.
"And the Warren court interpreted it generally in the same way -- that
the Constitution is a document of negative liberties, says what the
states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to
you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or state
government must do on your behalf, and that hasn't shifted.
"And I think one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was
that the civil rights movement became so court-focused, I think there
was a tendency to lose track of the political and organizing
activities on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions
of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in
some ways we still suffer from that," Obama said.
The 2001 interview evokes recent questioning by Joe "The Plumber"
Wurzelbacher, the Ohio man who asked Obama about his proposal to raise
taxes on people making more than $250,000. Obama told Wurzelbacher he
wants to hike taxes on the wealthy so that the government can spread
the wealth.
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said Monday the comments on the
tape have "nothing to do with Obama's economic plan or his plan to
give the middle class a tax cut."
"Here are the facts. In the interview, Obama went into extensive
detail to explain why the courts should not get into that business of
'redistributing' wealth. Obama's point -- and what he called a tragedy
-- was that legal victories in the civil rights led too many people to
rely on the courts to change society for the better. That view is
shared by conservative judges and legal scholars across the country,"
Burton said..
"As Obama has said before and written about, he believes that change
comes from the bottom up -- not from the corridors of Washington. ...
And so Obama's point was simply that if we want to improve economic
conditions for people in this country, we should do so by bringing
people together at the community level and getting everyone involved
in our democratic process," Burton continued.
John McCain's campaign said the tape proves that Obama is too liberal
for the White House.
Now we know that the slogans 'change you can believe in' and 'change
we need' are code words for Barack Obama's ultimate goal:
'redistributive change,'" said McCain-Palin senior policy adviser Doug
Holtz-Eakin.
"Barack Obama expressed his regret that the Supreme Court hadn't been
more 'radical' and described as a 'tragedy' the court's refusal to
take up 'the issues of redistribution of wealth.' No wonder he wants
to appoint judges that legislate from the bench," Holtz-Eakin
continued.
National Review reporter Byron York, a FOX News contributor, said the
U.S. government already has a progressive tax system that gives money
earned by one group to another group, but it's a matter of degree. He
added that Obama's outlook on that system hasn't changed.
"It seems clear from listening to this that the Obama of 2001 and
probably the Obama of today feels that the government doesn't do that
enough, and I think that's probably the big point in this tape," York
said.
"You've got to take him at his word," York added. "It seems to me that
the tape shows that this is simply a goal he has had for a long time."
In a speech in Cleveland on Monday, McCain said the Obama interview is
just another indication that the Democrat wants to increase sharply
the amount of government spending.
"Today, he claims he will only tax the rich. But we've seen in the
past that he's willing to support taxes that hit people squarely in
the middle class, and with a trillion dollars in new spending, the
most likely outcome is that everyone who pays taxes will be paying for
his spending," McCain said.
Click here to hear the interview.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/radio-interview-obama-laments-lack-supreme-court-ruling-redistributing-wealth/
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/radio-interview-obama-laments...
I am copying this here so we can refer back to it if we want to:
.
A 7-year-old radio interview in which Barack Obama discussed the
failure of the Supreme Court to rule on redistributing wealth in its
civil rights rulings has given fresh ammunition to critics who say the
Democratic presidential candidate has a socialist agenda.
The interview -- conducted by Chicago Public Radio in 2001, while
Obama was an Illinois state senator and a law professor at the
University of Chicago -- delves into whether the civil rights movement
should have gone further than it did, so that when "dispossessed
peoples" appealed to the high court on the right to sit at the lunch
counter, they should have also appealed for the right to have someone
else pay for the meal.
In the interview, Obama said the civil rights movement was victorious
in some regards, but failed to create a "redistributive change" in its
appeals to the Supreme Court, led at the time by Chief Justice Earl
Warren. He suggested that such change should occur at the state
legislature level, since the courts did not interpret the U.S.
Constitution to permit such change.
"The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of
wealth and sort of basic issues of political and economic justice in
this society, and to that extent as radical as people try to
characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical," Obama said in
the interview, a recording of which surfaced on the Internet over the
weekend.
"It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed
by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it has been
interpreted.
"And the Warren court interpreted it generally in the same way -- that
the Constitution is a document of negative liberties, says what the
states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to
you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or state
government must do on your behalf, and that hasn't shifted.
"And I think one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was
that the civil rights movement became so court-focused, I think there
was a tendency to lose track of the political and organizing
activities on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions
of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in
some ways we still suffer from that," Obama said.
The 2001 interview evokes recent questioning by Joe "The Plumber"
Wurzelbacher, the Ohio man who asked Obama about his proposal to raise
taxes on people making more than $250,000. Obama told Wurzelbacher he
wants to hike taxes on the wealthy so that the government can spread
the wealth.
Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said Monday the comments on the
tape have "nothing to do with Obama's economic plan or his plan to
give the middle class a tax cut."
"Here are the facts. In the interview, Obama went into extensive
detail to explain why the courts should not get into that business of
'redistributing' wealth. Obama's point -- and what he called a tragedy
-- was that legal victories in the civil rights led too many people to
rely on the courts to change society for the better. That view is
shared by conservative judges and legal scholars across the country,"
Burton said..
"As Obama has said before and written about, he believes that change
comes from the bottom up -- not from the corridors of Washington. ...
And so Obama's point was simply that if we want to improve economic
conditions for people in this country, we should do so by bringing
people together at the community level and getting everyone involved
in our democratic process," Burton continued.
John McCain's campaign said the tape proves that Obama is too liberal
for the White House.
Now we know that the slogans 'change you can believe in' and 'change
we need' are code words for Barack Obama's ultimate goal:
'redistributive change,'" said McCain-Palin senior policy adviser Doug
Holtz-Eakin.
"Barack Obama expressed his regret that the Supreme Court hadn't been
more 'radical' and described as a 'tragedy' the court's refusal to
take up 'the issues of redistribution of wealth.' No wonder he wants
to appoint judges that legislate from the bench," Holtz-Eakin
continued.
National Review reporter Byron York, a FOX News contributor, said the
U.S. government already has a progressive tax system that gives money
earned by one group to another group, but it's a matter of degree. He
added that Obama's outlook on that system hasn't changed.
"It seems clear from listening to this that the Obama of 2001 and
probably the Obama of today feels that the government doesn't do that
enough, and I think that's probably the big point in this tape," York
said.
"You've got to take him at his word," York added. "It seems to me that
the tape shows that this is simply a goal he has had for a long time."
In a speech in Cleveland on Monday, McCain said the Obama interview is
just another indication that the Democrat wants to increase sharply
the amount of government spending.
"Today, he claims he will only tax the rich. But we've seen in the
past that he's willing to support taxes that hit people squarely in
the middle class, and with a trillion dollars in new spending, the
most likely outcome is that everyone who pays taxes will be paying for
his spending," McCain said.
Click here to hear the interview.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/radio-interview-obama-laments-lack-supreme-court-ruling-redistributing-wealth/
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