Prototype 2 Red Zone Collectibles Map

[Lashawna Vorhees]

Iwas wondering if there was an agreed strategy for finding these? I see some during missions, some during free roam. I have gotten all the upgrades for helicopter/rifle/launcher, but have not found any armor guys etc.

I got all of mine just by keeping an eye out while thrawling through the Red Zone for collectibles and such... if you're still short and it's all you're missing, though, maybe you should just go on with New Game+ - you pretty much need another 0.3-0.5 run-through to finish leveling up, and you'll probably find whatever edibles you're missing before then.

I know what you mean - contrary to everyone else saying that you can get them just running around, I have not seen a single upgrade outside of missions and I wish there was knowledge of which missions spawned which guys and so on. It is supremely frustrating.

I don't no if this will work for everyone, but before I went on to my NG+ i was missing 4 consumables 2 Pack leader, 1 blade and an armor upgrade. So after I finished the game, I just took a air bridge to yellow zone and bang, my last armor upgrade at one base and 1 pack leader upgrade (on a brawler in a box), so i kept looking around yellow zone but got a fat lot of nothing. So then i air bridge back to red, couldn't find anything then but back to yellow, same base with a brawler in a box. Consumed him and bang got my last blade upgrade. Repeat this one more time and got my last pack leader upgrade.

On New Game+ you seem to get an upgrade everything you release one of those brawlers from their containers. It is giving me upgrades with Whipfist straight away when I didn't get access to that until the end of the first playthrough.

I finished the game on my first playthrough needing 3 more consumes, two Whipfists and a Bio-Bomb. After I did the first Blackwatch mission again on my second playthrough, there is a container next to the building you exit which contains a Brawler Hunter. I killed it and got a Whipfist upgrade. I did the next Blackwatch mission then I returned to this same place, and the icon for consume upgrade appeared again in the same place and got the Bio-Bomb. Did the third Blackwatch mission, returned and thankfully the same again, consumed it for my final Whipfist and got the 42 consumes achievement.

I was missing 1 Whipfist upgrade at the end of my first playthrough. I got it from a random brawler in the Red Zone just running around after the story. So it is possible to find them after you defeat Mercer.

ok this seems irrelevat because if u want the 1000 it will take u onto the green island zone on your second playthu on NG+ to get to lvl 23 and max out Heller, and while replaying all main missions there are plenty of arm upgrades all over the place so u will get this easily here, no point in grinding it out after u finish the game just go to NG+ and crack on with lvl 23.

You dont have to play another playthrough to get the achievement the cage in the yellow zone the one next to the heli pad and its another red spot on the map next to it in the yellow zone respawns. The area in the red zone where the heli pad in the middle of the map. It's right in front of it on the left side they respawn down there also. Not a cage but the ememies respawn. In the green zone the top left red spot the cage there also respawn. i need 8 and havnt done all of the story and they kept respawning so i kept getting them and got the achievement. A few more places also respawn from flying from 1 zone til another. But they are harder to explain where. Hope this help others

And the first I've heard that Woz used to hold solder in his mouth, although I know others who did so. It was a terrible habit that can cause lasting neurological diseases from lead exposure. I'm skeptical that this practice can be deduced from looking at solder joints.

This is not clear yet. Because the ICs have been removed. And on the polaroid photo the keyboard cable was placed such that you can't read the type of the CPU. This may have been intentional. To hide something nobody should know.

Based on the circumstantial evidence, I am quite convinced that the machine which came to life that night at Hewlett Packard may have been 6800 based. What other than the help of a Motorola 6800 development system could have made this feat possible in just one night ? It is possible, though, that Woz already had prepared the Wozmon code for the 6502 version at that point in time. But it would have been pointless to do the initial bring-up work at HP if it had been a 6502 - HP was committed to the 6800 and had the development system and tools for that, and not for the 6502. So if Woz could have done the initial debugging and bring-up work using the 6800, and all the nice tools and maybe in circuit emulation, too, available at HP due to their investment in putting the 6800 as a "brain" into their instruments, and then, once Woz' hardware was debugged, he could have switched to the cheaper 6502. The open question is when did that switch happen. Of course you could argue that it always had been the 6502, from the very beginning, as the story is told in "iWoz". Then please explain why the Apple-1 can be configured for the Motorola 6800 and why the "6502" solder options came later and were not present on the prototype seen in this thread. I know how to program both processors. Once you have mastered the 6502, you never go back to the 6800. Alone the price for the 6800 - if you could get it as an individual - was prohibitive. And at the time the Apple-1 came into being as a prospective product, at the time of this prototype stage, MOS Technology already had found a move to fend off the attacks of Motorola, by cancelling the 6501 and focusing on the 6502. Suppose, for the matter of argument, that the Apple-1 (and its nameless "my computer" predecessor) always had been a 6502 machine. Would a bright guy like Woz bend it, very late in the game, to take the 6800 ? A slower, much more expensive processor ? Makes no sense to me. Another point: why did nobody build Woz' "my computer", despite Woz handed out 100 xeroxed copies with the plans at the Homebrew Computer Club ? I think this may have been caused by the 6800, which at that time was very expensive and almost impossible to get by individuals. Hand out plans for a 6502 based machine to the same people at the same time, and you would have gotten at least a few builds. At that time, every microcomputer virus infected hobbyist was going nuts over the 6502 ... it was the hottest CPU you could dream of. And so cheap ! All the 8080, 8085, 6800, Z80 were kicked into the curb (the Z80 came too late to the game and was "defeated" by the 6502 before it even was "born"). All the competitors being too slow, too expensive, and too hard to get for hobbyists, the 6502 had won. The 6502 reigned supreme ! Which is why the Apple-1 had to become a 6502 machine. It's the winning CPU of the time being !

So, based on the circumstantial evidence, IMHO, Woz' computer very likely started as a 6800 based machine, and later morphed into the 6502 based machine, and indeed Chuck Peddle may have helped Woz to make it work, as Chuck has alleged. One thing we know for sure: Woz' "my computer" had SRAM, and the DRAM came much later, around the time Woz' design morphed into the Apple-1. I'm still trying to figure out what all these cuts and wires on the backside of the prototype board do. Maybe Woz was struggling to make the DRAM work.

You might also have noticed the use of these boxy, blue, expoxy dipped bypass capacitors in the prototype of this thread, and that the "W" bank in Row A had none. So most likely, they only had 8 DRAM ICs for 4 kBytes, and these may have been all they had at hand. So where did the BASIC interpreter go ? There is a certain irony in this ... when using cheaper, ceramic disc bypass capacitors, without my "reliability mods", it's this 2nd bank where most of the DRAM errors manifest themselves. So if they never tried to populate this 2nd bank, they could not have known about this problem. Ouch !

As for the damage on the PCB, its brown color and the pattern how it broke hints that it is a cheap phenolic PCB, and those essentially are paper sheets glued together under heat and pressure with phenolic resin (you can smell it years later). These inferior PCB materials get brittle over time and traces develop hairline cracks. If you drop such an embrittled phenolic PCB from a suitable height on a hard floor, it indeed may shatter as seen in the photos. So it was not necessarily an act of vandalism. But you can't restore such a relic. I have had (and still have) enough trouble with keeping old monitors based on phenolic PCBs alive. Touch something and it crumbes / cracks. A computer has many more solder joints and traces than a monitor. Take this as a warning - most 1960s and 1970s B&W monitors were based on phenolic PCBs and when you buy a functional one on Ebay, it might not survive the transport. These need to be handled like eggs. Same applies to vintage consumer electronics in general - I once got a super rare Bang & Olufsen stero set (the futuristic flat one with turntable and compact cassette recorder in one enclosure, don't remember the type number) made in the early 1970s and 40 years later nothing did work anymore and all the PCBs were too brittle to work on it. I had to throw it away as it was hopeless to fix. Now I regret this as all the PCBs could be depopulated, scanned, and reproduced using superior epoxy PCBs. But on the other hand, at which price in terms of RQLT ?

Which gives credence to the development as a 6800 before it was modified to run the 6502. That might also explain why this one was binned as it was useless for further development as the 6502 made it redundant in this application.

This is an alternate story how it could have happened. Maybe the inconsistencies in "iWoz" got me on the wrong track when I built the case for the 6800 based on circumstantial evidence. I always pointed that fact out --- and cautioned that I might be in error. Many defendants got into death row based on over-ambitious DAs who built a case against them based on circumstantial evidence. So the risks are known. However, I don't put anyone into death row, I just want to find out how the 6800 option came into being. It's totally weird and makes no sense to me - except if I make the conjecture that at some early point in the development, a 6800 was used. To cite from "iWoz", paperback edition, page 161:

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