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Sure, in first or 2ed there used to be a sub-stat called comlyness which was your physical beauty. A very attractive person could certainly be so socialy inept or just plan rude that it would reflect poorly on thier CHA.

Perfectly reasonable.You can have a high CHA "Leper King" who is revered for his strength of spirit and personal magnetism, and you can have a low CHA pretty jerkass who doesn't know how to deal with people.

That was(still is?) Amiri the iconic barbarian's CHA as well. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) LilithsThrall Jul 28, 2011, 08:01 pm DeathMetal4tw wrote: Is this possible in role playing terms? Can a beautiful character just be that caustic and mean that he/she has has a low charisma score?

Charisma measures a character's personality, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and appearance. Note that it says "appearance", not "beauty". A character can be strikingly ugly or strikingly beautiful. The only thing about the two that impacts charisma is the -strikingly-. But, yes, a character's appearance is only part of their charisma. The other aspects can drag it down. I'd keep a close eye on this if I were a GM. It's one of those things many rollplayers try to abuse. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Shifty Jul 28, 2011, 08:02 pm Shadow_of_death wrote: Any chance of locking this thread right now? +1 AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) LilithsThrall Jul 28, 2011, 08:08 pm Note btw that being a jerkass does not in itself drop charisma any more than being ugly does. Some people are able to manipulate/influence others by being a jerkass (think of the steereotypical bad guy leader). What lowers charisma is sucking at manipulating/influencing others.

And honestly when the GM is simply assigning numbers and can place any NPC at any point on any stat he wants to match what he feels it should be he can't really complain when the players don't when they don't have the infinite resources to do so as well.

Ugly (UGLY) person that can get anyone to follow, fear, or respect them? I'm good with that too. When we have UGLY monsters with incredible high charisma scores not being dictated as being "Handsome" or "Beautiful" I don't see why low charisma character have to be ugly.

Supermodel with 10 cha, and a total skill of 15 in persuation:
First impression is alot better, people want to listen to her, maybe she flirts with them as well, but in total her arguments are often somewhat flawed, or people automatically assume she's "pretty but dumb" and give her arguments less weight.

In the end both these character have the same chance getting others to do what they want, for completely different reasons however.
If ugly guy would have blondie's people skills he'd be at a cha of 6 maybe, while she having his could easily be a 14. But so they're both a 10.

Yes. Charisma does not equate to beauty or ugliness in any shape or form. Notice that Tieflings which are often attributed to being exotically beautiful have an average of 8 Charisma. Night hags have a 19 Charisma and are absolutely hideous. Doppelgangers have a 14 Charisma and lack what most would consider features at all.Likewise, the Leprous King from Kingdom of Heaven is hideously disfigured and ugly and wears a silver mask, which would in D&D terms provide a +2 circumstance bonus to his social skill checks.

Furthermore, the nail in the coffin is that your Charisma does not change even if your appearance does. If you use a disguise self, alter self, or similar spell in which you can control your physical appearance, your Charisma is not modified in the slightest.

It's well and good if someone want to put forth the 22 CHA bard as an obvious potential love interest, but that in no way makes a PC wrong for eyeing the more moderate-CHA dwarf barmaid instead. Likewise for NPCs reacting organically to PCs, taking account of the whole package rather than just that single number. Are you sure that's a dwarf? I don't see a beard.... AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Chubbs McGee Jul 28, 2011, 09:56 pm Abandon thread, abandon thread...

Appearance should be up to the player anyway. It is one of those aspects of character that should be left up to the player. If you want to play an attractive character who is caustic and mean, then you should not have to be constricted by Charisma.

I always found the Comeliness ability score a further restriction based on a number. In my games, I tend to keep Charisma divorced from appearance. Admittedly, this has not always been the case, but I agree with Mizake - beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

On the other hand, roleplay should match. If you are roleplaying a character who is charming, vivacious, friendly, and commands respect, and you describe your character as looking impressive and handsome/beautiful... and then you tell me your Charisma score is an 8, I'm going to call foul. It's like playing an 8 Intelligence barbarian and expecting to be able to invent TNT. If you are playing a good-looking character with a low Charisma, you should definitely be roleplaying either an arrogant ass or a shy wallflower.

I always felt that limiting appearance to charisma was a bit unreasonable. In certain parts of the world having some weight is seen as attractive; different people have different views of facial hair; and then there's the case of playing a non-human (a kobold for example). I also agree with Derek, Good social skills and leadership is determined by charisma. Though, a GM could always play off the low charisma character's social graces as coming off as snobbish, rude, or shady.

Ask your DM. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Hu5tru Jul 28, 2011, 10:55 pm I try not to equate charisma with physical beauty. When I was rolling up an androgynous bard with charisma 18, I picked Angelica Huston as my model. My husband looked at the glamor shot I chose of her from when she was young and said "You think that accurately represents Charisma 18?" Me, I think that Angelica Huston is absolutely stunning, and is a stellar actress. She's not Liz Taylor in her prime, but that's okay, coz if everyone was Liz Taylor, then no one would be Bettie Davis or Marilyn Monroe, &c, &c.

And yes, ultimately, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I've made a cleric with Cha 15 and Con 14, she's chubby, gregarious and flirty. Is 5'2" 120 pounds worth of cleric sexy to you? No, you prefer your gals tall, blond and nordic, or elven for that matter. She could do a flip. She's got strength of will to maintain that your opinion of her physical appearance isn't going to alter her impression of herself, and she knows that she is hot stuff.

One of the traits in the APG actually is centered around being attractive, and had no CHA restrictions. It gives a bonus to language-dependent spells and diplomacy (I think) if the target could be sexually attracted to you.

I don't agree. I think an arrogant ass/shy wallflower can have a high charisma. It's fiction. Do you really think that any smart military man would hang around Darth Vader exposing himmself to the risk of being promoted? Not in real life, but in fiction. The same thing goes for the good guys. Charisma isn't about how the player acts, it's about how NPCs react to the PC. A player can have his PC be suave and smooth talking and confident and, yet, no NPC likes him (maybe they think he's arrogant, maybe he's the constant victim of gossip, the GM can have a lot of fun with this). If the player is smart, he's going to know it's because his PC has a charisma score just north of 0. If the player is dumb, well, it hurts to be dumb. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Helaman Jul 29, 2011, 01:18 am TriOmegaZero wrote: DeathMetal4tw wrote: Is this possible in role playing terms? Ask your DM. +1 - solves all debate as the ruling of the DM is the best guide. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Umbral Reaver Jul 29, 2011, 01:29 am El Baron de los Banditos wrote: One of the traits in the APG actually is centered around being attractive, and had no CHA restrictions. It gives a bonus to language-dependent spells and diplomacy (I think) if the target could be sexually attracted to you.That trait is hideous to GM for. One thing you don't want to hear over and over is "Am I sexy?" from the guy playing the character with the charming trait before every social roll or spellcasting. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Kierato Jul 29, 2011, 01:32 am Umbral Reaver wrote: El Baron de los Banditos wrote: One of the traits in the APG actually is centered around being attractive, and had no CHA restrictions. It gives a bonus to language-dependent spells and diplomacy (I think) if the target could be sexually attracted to you.That trait is hideous to GM for. One thing you don't want to hear over and over is "Am I sexy?" from the guy playing the character with the charming trait before every social roll or spellcasting. lol AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) El Baron de los Banditos Jul 29, 2011, 01:50 am Umbral Reaver wrote: El Baron de los Banditos wrote: One of the traits in the APG actually is centered around being attractive, and had no CHA restrictions. It gives a bonus to language-dependent spells and diplomacy (I think) if the target could be sexually attracted to you.That trait is hideous to GM for. One thing you don't want to hear over and over is "Am I sexy?" from the guy playing the character with the charming trait before every social roll or spellcasting. I ask the DM that before ANY roll already, though! Right after asking how attractive the NPC is. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Skullking Jul 29, 2011, 02:05 am DeathMetal4tw wrote: Is this possible in role playing terms? Can a beautiful character just be that caustic and mean that he/she has has a low charisma score?