I'm trying to work out how to implement a Face and Bypass Zone in this system, Do I use the HVAC_Zone, or is this meant to the area supplied? It's one of a few things missing in the system but I think a critical one, we have hunderds of these types of units.
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Hi Chris:
Thanks for your question!
I want to make sure I’m understanding you correctly – I’ve heard face section and bypass section, but not face zone and bypass zone. Am I correct to interpret “face zone” as what’s labeled ‘face’ in this diagram?
The “Zone” concept in Brick is not about regions of equipment (like AHUs) but about logical groups of spaces, i.e. all rooms supplied by the same terminal unit. Brick could create “face zone/section” as an equipment so it could be “isPartOf” the AHU, but that doesn’t feel clean to me either. To rephrase Jason’s question: can you let us know how you want to use this information? Is the goal to identify which AHUs have face/bypass regions, or is it to localize a sensor as being in that region?
Brick isn’t quite OO, but you can easily compose information to create what you need. Say I created a “brick:Face_Section” equipment as I suggested above. Then I could model an AHU with a Face_Section as:
:ahu a brick:AHU ;
brick:hasPart :face_sec, :zone_sec, :heat_coil, :cool_coil .
:face_sec a brick:Face_Section .
# etc…
ASHRAE 223P (https://open223.info) has the kind of detail where you can define the face and bypass regions as “connections” between the different coils or input/output points of the AHU itself. I can put together a quick example of this if you’d like, but it’s probably more detail than you need.
Best,
Gabe
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Hi Chris:
I think it’s an awkward thing to model with Brick because we don’t have a concept to represent a “region” of space (like the region of space between 2 dampers) or even the ducts/pipes between entities in the model.
How would you like to think about the face/bypass “thing”? Is it an “Equipment”? Or perhaps a “Collection” of equipment? (I think I like “collection” better). I could create an “EquipmentGroup” subclass of “Collection” which you could then subclass into a “FaceBypassDamperGroup” which is a NodeShape which says it must contain 1 Face Damper and 1 Bypass Damper. Then your AHU can “hasPart” your FaceBypassDamperGroup. I’ll try to put together an example this evening to do
Your use of Brick sounds really cool, and I would love to learn more about what you’re doing so I can make sure we are supporting you. I really appreciate you taking the time to write this up! Sorry my responses have been slow --- I was out sick past couple of days.
Best,
Gabe
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Chris Schneider <cschn...@bar-tech.com.au>
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2025 at 5:13 PM
To: Gabriel Fierro <ga...@brickschema.org>
Cc: Jason Koh <bk7...@gmail.com>, Brick User Forum (Unified Building Metadata Schema) <brick...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Brick] AHU with Face and by pass
We have been creating our own brick elements but I don't even know what to inherit from in this instance.
A face and bypass zones is part of an Ahu with a damper/opposing dampers which allow air to pass through a coil or bypass it. It's more like a vav hot deck cold deck. We program them independent of the unit and pass back control similar to a vav. We are actually a little bit further advanced with brick than a lot of companies and are looking to use it to define systems for automatic programming but we need this relationship and would prefer it to suit a logical update in later stages of brick. We also do have standard zone units so I think f/b would inherit from them.
Even if you just give us an object to inherit from we can build it in our system and show you what the end results look like.
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I also found out controller is deprecated... HUH? Why, this is quite important.
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