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mister...@gmail.com

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Jan 20, 2021, 5:20:20 PM1/20/21
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I'm reading posts about NAS. I have an older B2 on which I've loaded over 5,000 songs and play it though speakers or headphones. I'm happy with what it does. That said, do I need or want a NAS?

Peter Lowham

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Jan 20, 2021, 6:53:09 PM1/20/21
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Hi mister,

The answer is that it depends on what you want to do with your music collection looking in to the future.  I do use NAS extensively, so I'll list how I use it and hopefully that will help you to decide if you want to use it or not.

1.  Tidying up the collection, moving, renaming, copying artists, albums and tracks from location to location on the B2.  This is a lot easier when you use 'drag & drop' from a PC/Mac. It does require running 'Scan Disk' periodically, but that's not a problem.
2.  Updating tag data in the music collection is far easier when using a PC/Msc product like 'mp3Tag'.  I spent 3 months fixing tag data in my collection (20.000 tracks accumulated over 20 years), and without a PC and mp3Tag, this probably would have taken at least 3 times longer.  A lot of the old tag data was pretty bad.
3.  I run incremental backups using MS Robocopy which I have set to run automatically every night.  The B2 is backed up to my backup server and I don't need to remember to run it; it just happens overnight.
4.  A small number of CDs will not rip properly on the Brennan; this is usually caused by the CD having a non-music bonus file such as video files.  I rip these on a PC (using dbPoweramp in my case), and then transfer the good tracks to the B2 using NAS.

So that's my story of using NAS.  

Now for a couple of queries.

1.  Do you keep the B2 software reasonably up to date?
2.  Do you do regular 'Export's for backing up purposes?

Regards,
Peter.

Gregg Moore

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Jan 20, 2021, 8:08:53 PM1/20/21
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Peter & mister;
       I too would be very grateful for a clear explanation of how to get NAS up and running, in my case for a Windows machine.  I understand it's quite easy but I've never managed to find the Brennan in Windows explorer.  And since you mentioned it, Peter, I'd appreciate a description of what 'tags' are and how they might be appropriate in a Brennan collection.
      Thanks!

gregg

Daniel Taylor

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Jan 20, 2021, 8:19:53 PM1/20/21
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Tags are fields of information embedded in the music files.  The Brennan products do not use that information.  They use the name of the Artist folder, the name of the Album folder, and the names of the tracks in the album folder.  If you want to set up your B2 as a NAS drive to be a music source for another system, then that system might make use of the tag information.  Sonos does.

PMB

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Jan 21, 2021, 5:37:09 AM1/21/21
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Hi Gregg,

Please see the following notes on setting up NAS on a Windows PC -

NAS mode using a Windows 10 computer:

On the B2:

  • Make sure the B2 is connected to WiFi - displaying an IP Address - something like 192.168.1.127

  • Using the front control go to the Maintenance menu and select Start NAS - the display will return to the clock and then show 'done' after a couple of seconds.

On your Win10 computer: 

This stage only required if the B2 doesn't show in 'View network computers and devices' (see the next stage)

  • In the 'Type here to search' box type - Turn Windows features on and off (you don't have to type all of this as you will be prompted by the computer).

  • Click on 'Turn Windows features on and off'

  • Scroll down to 'SMB1.0/CIFS File sharing support' and expand the section - click on the '+' box

  • Select the second item - SMB1.0/CIFS Client - it may already be selected so no need to select again

  • Click on OK.

On the Win10 computer:

  • In the 'Type here to search' box type View network computers and devices

  • Click on 'View network computers and Devices'

  • BRENNANB2 should be displayed on the 'computer' line - if not wait a while (it can take a while to show the first time) and try refreshing the 'View network....' page.

  • Double click on BRENNANB2 - a pop up panel will open

  • Enter user name = root

  • Enter password = brennan and click on OK

  • The B2's 'music' folder will be shown - double click to open it - this can take a while as the computer needs to load all of the files on the B2's HDD.

  • Once loaded a list of Artist folders will be shown

  • Double clicking on an Artist folder will show the Album folder/s associated with the Artist

  • Double clicking any Album folder will show the Tracks and Album Artworks

You can then edit these folders and files as you would any folders/files on your computer e.g. create new folders, copy and paste, cut and paste, rename, delete, etc.

You can also copy music from your computer (iTunes, etc) to the B2 whilst in NAS mode - make sure you maintain the correct Artist - Album - Track folder format so the music is correctly displayed on the B2.

Please note - any changes you make on the computer are local to the computer and must be transferred to the B2 by running Scan Disk - Settings menu - on the B2. If you leave the computer session without running Scan Disk, any changes will be lost.


Paul
Brennan Support.

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 21, 2021, 8:49:21 AM3/21/21
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Paul, Brennan Support
I’ve jumped on this thread because I am trying to do the exact same thing but I cannot get the BrennanB2 to show up on my Network.  I have followed all the instructions above to the letter (I hope) and yet windows explorer still can’t find it. 
What am I doing wrong, any help would be appreciated. 

PMB

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Mar 21, 2021, 12:34:37 PM3/21/21
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Hi Frenchie,

Try turning NAS off (Stop NAs) and on again (Start NAS).

Fred posted this a while ago -
I have finally resolved this issue: My B2's NAS is back!

This has been ALLOT of pain for me - to eliminate, narrow down the issue I have

1) Checked I could see the B2 Nas on an Android device (I could)

2) Replaced my router (it needed replacing anyway) (No Change)

3) Did all that was recommended by the kind people on this thread (No Change)

4) Upgraded my Windows 10 to Pro (ouch!) (No Change)

5) began researching and testing on and off for weeks until I go a fix that worked. The fix is (apart form all the option in the thread above)

a) Open the "Group Policy Editor" from an Windows Admin account

b) go to the "Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options" path

c) find the entry "Network security: Restrict NTLM: Outgoing NTLM traffic to remote servers"

d) change its value to "Allow all" from the options.

e) save

f) exit the utility

g) reboot

I hope this helps someone. Fred.



Might be useful.

Paul
Brennan Support.

fred.w....@gmail.com

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Mar 21, 2021, 8:59:07 PM3/21/21
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Hi Frenchie,

For MOST people, Pauls instructions work fine. In my case I had been using NAS for years when (after some random, unstoppable, automatic Windows Update) my NAS disappeared!
I tried EVERTHING for months (there are a lot of Google articles that relate "sort of") - there were some fixes I found that required use of policy editors that are just not available in the bog standard "Home" licence copy of Windows 10.
So I upgraded my Windows licence to the Pro version (£100 or there abouts). In the end I found that the flag that Paul has copied into this thread did indeed cure the problem for me (you will need Pro Windows 10 to do this).

Fred

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 23, 2021, 12:09:46 PM3/23/21
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Paul, Brennan Support
I am still not seeing Brennanb2 in Windows Explorer. I have followed all the advice except I am not confident enough to follow Fred's advice and I don't want to upgrade to Windows Pro.  Any other thoughts on this would be welcome - I am not going to be a big NAS user I just want the functionality of Windows Explorer.

Regards, Frenchie

fred.w....@gmail.com

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Mar 23, 2021, 12:33:36 PM3/23/21
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Have you tried with the IP No?

Get the IP number for your B2

Click on file explorer in windows
when it opens click on PC and then on map network drive as in
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This will open this window
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in the box (blue above with red underline) type \\192.168.0.37\music
replace the 192.168.0.37 with YOUR B2's IP number  (not the slashes are backslashes not "/".)
It will ask you for and ID which is "root"
and a password which is "brennan".

This should map your B2 a drive "Z"

Fred

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 23, 2021, 1:52:39 PM3/23/21
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Still no joy I'm afraid.  This is what im getting:  Can you see the attachment?
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john.h...@gmail.com

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Mar 23, 2021, 2:31:50 PM3/23/21
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Hi tick the box different credentials
Then enter username root
Password brennan

John 

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 23, 2021, 2:53:01 PM3/23/21
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Thanks,  I thought you'd cracked it because i got to the 'user' and 'password' stage but then it just hanged at @trying to connect'

lesliebr...@gmail.com

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Mar 23, 2021, 2:59:55 PM3/23/21
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Can take a while.

PMB

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Mar 24, 2021, 5:13:03 AM3/24/21
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Hi Frenchie,

Mark Fishman posted this a while ago, may help -

Here's another fun way to connect to your B2 in Windows 10 without enabling SMB 1.0, and this time without mapping a drive letter. You will have to know your B2's IP address, and it will be a good idea to assign a fixed IP address for the B2 in your network router.

Make sure that you have started NAS on the Brennan device – it may not be on if you have repro’d the SD Card.

Open the Windows Explorer (sometimes called the File Manager)..

Click on "This PC".

At the top of the window, click on “Computer” and select "Add a network location".

You''ll see "Welcome to the Add Network Location Wizard" -- click Next.

Click on "Choose a custom network location" (see 2nd attached picture) and click Next

Now it wants the usual UNC for a network shared: type in \\[your Brennan IP here]\music

 where instead of [your Brennan IP here] you type the actual IP address of your Brennan.

You'll be prompted (eventually -- the B2 seems quite slow compared to, say, a desktop or laptop computer) for the username and password. This is the tricky part: for username, you should type [your Brennan IP here]\root -- that way the connection knows that you are trying to authenticate using the remote credentials, not some non-existent local root account.

for password, you should probably type brennan unless you have recently changed it in which case you're on your own here.

You do get to give the shortcut that will get created a human-friendly name sometime around now.

Eventually (again) not only will the music directory from the B2 display on your Windows computer, you'll also have a shortcut in the "This PC" section of  Windows Explorer (see last attached picture).

The next time you want to connect, if your Brennan has a stable IP and is running, just click on the shortcut.


Problems with NAS mode -

Try ‘Stop NAS’ and then ‘Start NAS’ again.


Paul
Brennan Support.

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 25, 2021, 1:10:15 PM3/25/21
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No joy with Mark Fishman's post - I'm getting "The folder you entered does not appear to be valid".

fred.w....@gmail.com

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Mar 25, 2021, 2:34:45 PM3/25/21
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You seem to be where I was - its not the B2, its Windows!!!!  :<

Fred



Mark Fishman

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Mar 25, 2021, 6:09:59 PM3/25/21
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Maybe a little more detail would help us help you. At what point do you get the message, "The folder you entered does not appear to be valid"?

Note that there are two different places where you might type your B2's IP address, and they have different formats! One of them says 
\\[IP address]\music
(that's backslash-backslash-the actual numbers and dots from the IP address-backslash-music)
and the other place DOES NOT HAVE the leading backslashes!

Windows is extremely finicky about getting that sort of thing exactly right.

If you manage to get past the error messages, it can still take a couple of minutes(!) for the B2 to respond the first time.

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 26, 2021, 11:43:51 AM3/26/21
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Hi Mark, I'm sorry, my PC skills are not what they should be, I am a 60 year old plumber by trade and i find this computer stuff very challenging - believe me I am at my limits.  I will try and post some screen shots on here of the error messages. Thank you for being so patient.

Mark Fishman

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Mar 26, 2021, 11:55:22 AM3/26/21
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Hey, no worries. I'm past 70, and although I spent the last 30+ years working with computers, I wwas never properly "trained" and have to add two important points:
(a) the more I use Windows the less I like computers;
(b) general problem solving skills are more important than specific computer knowledge.

Microsoft makes things harder than they should be; do NOT blame yourself! If you've been fixing plumbing problems for a while you probably have the necessary skills to analyze problems and figure out a way to solve them. Now you just have to lern the specific words used by Microsoft to describe how things are supposed to work.

Here's a cartoon that might give you a chuckle. https://m.xkcd.com/627/

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 26, 2021, 12:10:30 PM3/26/21
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Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 26, 2021, 12:30:31 PM3/26/21
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I am also getting this with Fred's option.  It says "connecting to" but it is hanging.  Should i click "ok" again?  Also, the dots represent a password but not one i have entered, how it that possible?snip 3.PNG

Mark Fishman

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Mar 26, 2021, 12:33:21 PM3/26/21
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The screen shot shows that you have a trailing period (full stop, dot, pick your favorite name) on the IP address -- take that off and things *should* improve. Or at least change...

fred.w....@gmail.com

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Mar 26, 2021, 12:38:24 PM3/26/21
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Hi Frenchie

The error here is because you have a "." after the 93.

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Try again :)

Fred

Mark Fishman

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Mar 26, 2021, 12:38:40 PM3/26/21
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The first time I tried connecting to my B2, it took an astoundingly long time (a couple of minutes?) to connect. Let it sit. If it actually times out, just do it again immediately.

Another possibility is that Windows thinks you are trying to use a username and password matching something on your computer, not on the B2. You'd think it would notice that there's no "root" account on the computer, but no, it's stupider than that. You *might* have to put in 
192.168.1.93\root
as the username to force Windows to look for the account on the B2.

The dots obscure your password -- the number of dots don't necessarily match the number of characters in your password because that makes it even more obscure (harder to guess).

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 26, 2021, 1:21:22 PM3/26/21
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Yes i noticed the extra "full stop" but removing it made no difference.  

Mark Fishman

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Mar 26, 2021, 1:41:09 PM3/26/21
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More diagnostic tests:
 - what is your computer's IP address? (primarily we care if it's on the same subnet as the B2: does the computer's IP address also start with 192.168.1 -- we don't need to care what the last number (the fourth number) might be).
 - Does your computer use Wondows 10? If so, open a command window -- in the search field down in the taskbar, type cmd.exe, "open" the app:
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and type this line:
ping 192.168.1.93
(press the enter key after typing)

Do you get something that looks like this? (192.168.0.5 is the IP address of my B2; you will see your B2's IP address everywhere mine is shown below)
Pinging 192.168.0.5 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.0.5: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.5: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.5: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.5: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.0.5:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 1ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 1ms


or do you get
Pinging 192.168.1.93 with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.93:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),


If  you get the "Request timed out" then your B2 is not actually reachable on your network, at least not at that IP address.

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 26, 2021, 1:52:56 PM3/26/21
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This is what i got - looks good to me 

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 26, 2021, 1:53:52 PM3/26/21
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BTW, I am using Windows 10 Home 

Mark Fishman

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Mar 26, 2021, 2:28:49 PM3/26/21
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Yes, that looks good. Windows 10 Home should be able to do this.

Some people have found that they really want to turn on the SMB version 1.0 client, because (if it works)it let's them "browse" the network for their B2. Let's see if you can do this:
 Open the control panel (in the search box, type control panel and open the app)
 in the upper right corner of the control panel, choose "View: Large Icons"
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 click on Programs and Features
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 on the left click on "Turn Windows features on or off"
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 you should get a pop up dialog:
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 scroll down to "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support", click on the "+" to expand it, and check the CLIENT box.
 click OK.

It never hurts to reboot when that finishes. While Windows reboots, verify that your B2 is running and has started NAS.

After you log back in to Windows, keep in mind that SMB 1.0 network browsing is SLOW. It can take up to 15 minutes for a device to "appear" in the network "neighborhood" even though it's been running just fine all that time.

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 26, 2021, 4:12:44 PM3/26/21
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Thank you Mark, I am very grateful for your advice and I am doing stuff I never believed i could do in a million years. I will tackle this tomorrow when fresh, I have now opened a bottle of red wine and relaxing. Much appreciated. 

lesliebr...@gmail.com

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Mar 26, 2021, 4:31:30 PM3/26/21
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I like your priorities Frenchie. Might open a red myself. Hope Marks advice gets you sorted. NAS access is so handy.

Mark Fishman

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Mar 26, 2021, 6:27:17 PM3/26/21
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Chacun a son gout, as they say. I had a Guiness before dinner -- and since I don't mix grain and grape, I skipped the white with my fish.
:)

-- m.

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 27, 2021, 1:34:39 PM3/27/21
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I have now tried that (in fact i'd tried it before via a different route) and no joy as yet (half an hour ago).  

Mark Fishman

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Mar 28, 2021, 6:29:44 AM3/28/21
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I'm assuming it never showed up, which means I'm pretty much out of ideas for remote diagnostics.

One more question, based on a hazy memory of something that came up in this forum last year some time: you don't, by any chance, have DLNA turned on, on your B2? I seem to remember that DLNA interferes with using NAS -- don't know why, but that's my memory. Somewhere in the B2 menus is "Stop DLNA" -- try that, and then also (belt and suspenders, you know) "Start NAS" again for good measure.

I hope someone else has ideas -- m.

JFBUK

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Mar 28, 2021, 6:50:39 AM3/28/21
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Hi,
not sure whether you have tried what's described in this link  ... it worked for me


John

jeff...@googlemail.com

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Mar 28, 2021, 7:07:51 AM3/28/21
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Frenchie, If you have an android phone, and it's on the same network i.e. wifi
, Then if you go into the files on phone menu, your Brennan should show up under networks. Worth having a look!Screenshot_20210328_120440_com.huawei.hidisk.jpgScreenshot_20210328_120450_com.huawei.hidisk.jpg

JFBUK

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Mar 28, 2021, 7:23:41 AM3/28/21
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Hi  Frenchie & Jeff,

not all Android phones have file management software installed when you first power them up, depends on the phone manufacturers customised build.
You may have to install something from Playstore first.

jeff...@googlemail.com

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Mar 28, 2021, 8:09:27 AM3/28/21
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No, mine is just the generic files that came with the phone, it's worth him giving it a try.

fred.w....@gmail.com

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Mar 29, 2021, 12:20:35 PM3/29/21
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Hi Frenchie,

With the help of Mark Fishman

I have managed to put together a Windows 10 "Regedit" file that may solve your problem.
Here are the steps.
1) log in with an account with Admin privileges.
2) lick on the window Icon in the bottom left of the screen and when the blue area appear type "regedit"
and a window will appear thus
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3) click on "File" at the top left of the window and choose "export" and this will appear.
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4) enter a file name (eg "Registry-Backup") in the box marked in red above and hit "save".
5) close the Registry Editor Window.
6) You now have  backup of your Registry.
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7) download the attached file (below).
8) once it is downloaded, got to it and double click on it.
9) the effect of this will be that a single change will be made to your Windows 10 registry.
10) Logout and back in to your usual ID, and try and set up your NAS again.


Fred
No-NAS-Cure.reg

fred.w....@gmail.com

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Mar 30, 2021, 7:44:15 PM3/30/21
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Hi Frenchie

Any progress?

Fred

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 31, 2021, 3:53:34 PM3/31/21
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Hi Fred
I’m sorry but I am not confident or PC literate enough to try your recommendation, I am also nervous about being a ginea pig for this issue. Everyone has been very generous with their advice but I am going to have to leave the issue unresolved until a better solution is discovered. I am a bit disappointed with this because I have dozens of various artists CDs which i am slowly editing manually in the UI. Strangely, a few various artists CDs have ripped and included the artist AND track title in the same file. BTW, are you a Brennan person or are you just another user? And how do I know?

Thanks 

Frenchie The Gas Man

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Mar 31, 2021, 3:55:17 PM3/31/21
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I’m sorry, I’m not questioning your integrity I am just not sure whether you are a Brennan employee or a very helpful, friendly fellow B2 owner.

fred.w....@gmail.com

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Mar 31, 2021, 4:07:02 PM3/31/21
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Hi Frenchie

No I am not a Brennan employee, I am a Brennan customer/user. The majority of the contributors on this forum are the same as me, although Paul (PMB) is the Brennan owner/moderator of the forum.
If you are not comfortable with what any of us reccomend, that is OK, there is no compulsion 😉 !

Fred

Mark Fishman

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Mar 31, 2021, 6:00:08 PM3/31/21
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I understand your anxiety about being a guinea pig, and your lack of confidence in allowing a file from someone else to alter your Windows registry. Every legitimate article about editing the registry contains warnings about how horribly wrong it can go if you change the wrong thing. So some nervousness is actually a good thing, and you are right to have that feeling.

May we ask you to try a command that does NOT change anything. and will give us some more information about whether you might need to change that registry key? This command only READS the key:

reg query "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\MSV1_0"

The way you use this is you right-click the "Window" icon in the lower left of the screen -- the icon that brings up the menu of programs and such -- and choose "Run" from the menu that pops up. In the "run" box type 
cmd.exe
and when you get the (usually black with white text) window and prompt, copy and paste (it's safer than typing) that line from above that starts reg query. The quote marks it contains are necessary. Press enter after you paste in that line.

On my computer it produces this information:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\MSV1_0
    Auth132    REG_SZ    IISSUBA
    NtlmMinClientSec    REG_DWORD    0x20000000
    NtlmMinServerSec    REG_DWORD    0x20000000

What we need to know is if your computer shows anything different. I promise you, using the "query" means it only reads and does not change anything.

Thanks for thinking about this -- Mark F.

jeff...@googlemail.com

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Apr 1, 2021, 5:51:35 AM4/1/21
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Hi Frenchie, I've been using and building my own PCs for nearly 20 years. Whenever I have a problem, I nearly always go to a forum or Google for advice. I've never had a bum steer yet, and follow people's advice and links. They nearly always work. Only 2 days ago I clicked on a registry link for bluetooth volume problems. Worked 1st time for me. Understand your reluctance, but everyone out there will be on your side, and trying to help. Lots of people have helped me, here and other places.  

Robert

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Apr 1, 2021, 6:48:39 PM4/1/21
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Hi Mark & Fred, I tried the command line and got back this...

C:\WINDOWS\system32>"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\MSV1_0"
The system cannot find the path specified.

Any idea why? Using Windows 10 Pro latest updates. Haven't been able to see the Brennan under "Network". Actually it seems to come and go. I did manage to get it under "This PC" so thank you and everyone for that solution. 

Does the Registry edit turn on SMB 1.0 or do something else? I have heard that SMB 1.0 is not very secure? Thanks for your help. 

fred.w....@gmail.com

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Apr 1, 2021, 7:56:04 PM4/1/21
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Hi Robert,

First let me ask - are you having a B2 NAS problem or are you just interested (this thread is becoming well platted, Mark and I need to know who we are advising - we do not want to make mistakes.
I also not that YOU are running Windows 10 Pro! That puts you in a different position to "Frenchie" who Mark and I developed the Regedit script for.

Let me try and explain. Windows 10 and Windows 10 Pro are essentially the same thing except that Windows 10 Pro comes with a few more "tools". Both revolve round what is known as the "Registry" a test file/database which stores values that all of the Windows 10 software looks at ALL the time - break the registry and you trash Windows!.

Many of the Windows 10 tools (such as the SMB 1.0 status) actually make changes to the registry on your behalf in a "safe" manner, they edit the registry for you.

Windows 10 Pro comes with an extra set of tools relating to the "Policy" support in Windows 10 (policy support allows an Admin to set up "rules" for groups of users in a connected windows system such as that which a company may deploy. 

One of these policies relates to weather a Windows PC should be allowed to "detect" other systems on a LAN that may be offering services (such as a NAS) - this policy is entirely separate to the SMB 1.0 status (which relates to the functioning of a specific application service).

I was originally a Windows 10 Home user running the Windows that came with my PC.  For years I had a perfectly good B2 NAS that was core to how I did things with my B2 and Sonos. Then SUDDENLY my NAS disappeared. I tried all the SMB 1.0 permissions stuff I knew about and found on the is forum and on Google BUT could not for the life of me get my NAS back. I tried for months!

Eventually after more reading I decided to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro and following a list of advice I found with a Google search began tackling the problem as a policy issue using the (now available) Windows 10 Pro tools. 
I found a change that worked and got my NAS back!!!!

I believe my troubles were caused by a Windows 10 update (you can not stop them from happening) so I am quite aggrieved that I had to spend even more money on a Microsoft licence to fix it!.

Anyhow it appears that the B2 NAS black hole is being inflicted on more B2 users and as Windows 10 Home and Pro are essentially EXACTLY the same thing, I thought that if it were possible to edit the registry SAFELY one could 
apply my solution directly to a Windows 10 system without having to pay for a Pro licence.

I would not regard myself as a competent registry editor, so I put out a call for help on this thread https://groups.google.com/g/brennanb2/c/XFtV_2vwlls/m/Hsaz0BT5CAAJ
and was joined there by Mark Fishman who has the required skills.

Together (using his Windows 10 Home and my Window 10 Pro systems) we were able to identify what the Windows 10 Pro policy tools had done to my registry and develop a SAFE Regedit script that would affect that change directly  on a Windows 10
Home system.

However we could not test it because in the end Frenchie was sensibly cautious about running "wild" software on his system.
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Ok there is the picture BUT
your result
"C:\WINDOWS\system32>"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\MSV1_0"
The system cannot find the path specified.
"
seems strange
Using the Registry Editor and traversing to that point I get this
a.JPG

I would have thought on your system MSV1_0 would be the same EXCEPT for the last row in the right hand pane.

Fred

Daniel Taylor

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Apr 1, 2021, 8:06:20 PM4/1/21
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I wonder if on Windows 10 Pro, not only are there more tools, but more registry entries as well.  And plain Windows 10, when it doesn't find an entry, just assumes the default value.  Somehow, you need to find out if the pertinent registry entries are even present on Win10.  If not, it might be possible to add them, but more complicated.

Mark Fishman

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Apr 2, 2021, 6:39:14 AM4/2/21
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From what you posted here, you seem to have left off the words
reg query
at the beginning ofthe line, before the registry key itself. You need those.

Mark Fishman

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Apr 2, 2021, 6:43:33 AM4/2/21
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No, as Fred points out, "Home" and "Pro" differ in some security and network administrative tools, and also a few *settings* in the registry. Microsoft does this so they can charge more for the Pro version needed by small companies (they charge even more for the Enterprise version needed by LARGE companies).

And anyway, Fred and I looked at that particular registry key on both Home and Pro versions of Windows 10 -- it's always there.

Mark Fishman

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Apr 3, 2021, 1:06:02 PM4/3/21
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Well, you got back what one should have if the policy setting "Network security: Restrict NTLM: Outgoing NTLM traffic to remote servers" is undefined, which is supposed to behave the same as if it is set to "Allow All". "Undefined" is the way Microsoft has that setting at initial setup.

Fred asked if you were actually having a problem using the B2 NAS function from your Windows computer. If not, there are no next steps. Since you say that you are able to see your B2 under "This PC", you don't seem to be having a problem.

As to SMB 1.0, editing this particular registry key (or, if you have Pro,  it's easier to change the group policy setting) does not turn that on.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 12:15 PM <robert...@...> wrote:
I did leave off the reg query, thought I only needed what was in quotes, my mistake. I ran the query and got back what I was supposed to get?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\MSV1_0
Auth132 REG_SZ IISSUBA
NtlmMinClientSec REG_DWORD 0x20000000
NtlmMinServerSec REG_DWORD 0x20000000

What are the next steps? Thank you.


On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 6:39:14 AM UTC-4 Mark Fishman wrote:
From what you posted here, you seem to have left off the words
reg query
at the beginning ofthe line, before the registry key itself. You need those.
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 6:48:39 PM UTC-4 Robert wrote:
Hi Mark & Fred, I tried the command line and got back this...

C:\WINDOWS\system32>"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\MSV1_0"
The system cannot find the path specified.

Any idea why? Using Windows 10 Pro latest updates. Haven't been able to see the Brennan under "Network". Actually it seems to come and go. I did manage to get it under "This PC" so thank you and everyone for that solution. 

Does the Registry edit turn on SMB 1.0 or do something else? I have heard that SMB 1.0 is not very secure? Thanks for your help. 
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