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lilipot
Jul 12, 2011, 5:09:35 AM7/12/11
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Hello everyone
I am in N-4 and I plan to reach a higher N in a month
I plan to be roughly N-6 or 7 even that I can not play the game for a
year (personal reasons) I was wondering is it possible? If so how many
minutes a day I have to pay to play?
Thanks to all helpers
I am in N-4 and I plan to reach a higher N in a month
I plan to be roughly N-6 or 7 even that I can not play the game for a
year (personal reasons) I was wondering is it possible? If so how many
minutes a day I have to pay to play?
Thanks to all helpers
Sunil
Jul 12, 2011, 9:55:05 AM7/12/11
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probably depends on how developed your brain is! I've seen n-backers
start at level 3 and move to level 5-7 within weeks. Personally, i've
been n-backing for 3 weeks and started at n=1 and have been on n=4 for
past 6 days. I'm close to hitting n=5 and am very happy with the way
things are going. In the past 4 days, i'm beginning to see some major
changes. Very exciting times
start at level 3 and move to level 5-7 within weeks. Personally, i've
been n-backing for 3 weeks and started at n=1 and have been on n=4 for
past 6 days. I'm close to hitting n=5 and am very happy with the way
things are going. In the past 4 days, i'm beginning to see some major
changes. Very exciting times
Mr. Menesus
Jul 12, 2011, 11:51:06 AM7/12/11
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I'm curious Sunil, can you describe your regimen and perceived benefits?
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Sunil
Jul 12, 2011, 12:11:54 PM7/12/11
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I've been averaging about 30 minutes per day over 3 weeks, with about
3 days off. Just plain dual n-back, but not using brain workshop, but
an iphone app called IQ Boost. Obviously, it's setup similarly to the
brain workshop, but probably not completely the same
The perceived benefits are that both physical and thought based. I'll
give you a brief history of where I come from: From a young age i've
always been a dreamer. Not being able to concentrate in class, I
scraped through education and attained a 2:2 at uni. I indulged myself
during the dance craze of the 90's and probably damaged my brain more
that i'm willing to admit. This probably compounded my original
dreamer'ness and changed my thoughts into brief flashes, threads which
are easily forgotten. I found it hard to maintain a job and
subsequently have seen a number of psychologists and tried to attack
the problem from a number of angles, all of which have previously
failed. This could be because I didn't see them through, but I never
'felt' any benefits from doing them (i never took any prescription
drugs). I'm a self diagnosed ADD case - the psychologists in the UK as
rubbish to say the least, so I never got any confirmation either way
from them. They are years behind the States
Okay so now. After doing n-back for 3 weeks, I'm able to write this
entire post in one go... i've only stopped 3-4 times during it to
correct spelling mistakes or change wording. This is unheard of, where
i come from. I'm logical. I'm more patient in myself about forming
sentences and choosing wording, whereas before i was very impulsive
and would be misunderstood very frequently. I'm getting on with my
wife better. I've gotten through a whole day of work today with
multiple inputs being translated successfully into actions. I'm
emotionally calmer (MUCH MORE SO). I feel more in control. I'm not as
nervous about talking to people as i'm not as self conscious.... I
could go on (sorry if i have!!!)
This is all from 3 weeks... Hope that answers your question. I should
really do a proper writeup for Gwern!
3 days off. Just plain dual n-back, but not using brain workshop, but
an iphone app called IQ Boost. Obviously, it's setup similarly to the
brain workshop, but probably not completely the same
The perceived benefits are that both physical and thought based. I'll
give you a brief history of where I come from: From a young age i've
always been a dreamer. Not being able to concentrate in class, I
scraped through education and attained a 2:2 at uni. I indulged myself
during the dance craze of the 90's and probably damaged my brain more
that i'm willing to admit. This probably compounded my original
dreamer'ness and changed my thoughts into brief flashes, threads which
are easily forgotten. I found it hard to maintain a job and
subsequently have seen a number of psychologists and tried to attack
the problem from a number of angles, all of which have previously
failed. This could be because I didn't see them through, but I never
'felt' any benefits from doing them (i never took any prescription
drugs). I'm a self diagnosed ADD case - the psychologists in the UK as
rubbish to say the least, so I never got any confirmation either way
from them. They are years behind the States
Okay so now. After doing n-back for 3 weeks, I'm able to write this
entire post in one go... i've only stopped 3-4 times during it to
correct spelling mistakes or change wording. This is unheard of, where
i come from. I'm logical. I'm more patient in myself about forming
sentences and choosing wording, whereas before i was very impulsive
and would be misunderstood very frequently. I'm getting on with my
wife better. I've gotten through a whole day of work today with
multiple inputs being translated successfully into actions. I'm
emotionally calmer (MUCH MORE SO). I feel more in control. I'm not as
nervous about talking to people as i'm not as self conscious.... I
could go on (sorry if i have!!!)
This is all from 3 weeks... Hope that answers your question. I should
really do a proper writeup for Gwern!
whoisbambam
Jul 12, 2011, 12:51:29 PM7/12/11
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Sunil,
it is good to hear such a profound effect dnb is doing for you.
as to not get burnt out, i would continue to be just as consistent as
you have been:
30minutes a day, day in, day out, with very few days off at all (maybe
1 day a week as your circumstance permits).
congratulations.
it is good to hear such a profound effect dnb is doing for you.
as to not get burnt out, i would continue to be just as consistent as
you have been:
30minutes a day, day in, day out, with very few days off at all (maybe
1 day a week as your circumstance permits).
congratulations.
brain train
Jul 12, 2011, 1:54:37 PM7/12/11
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very encouraging to listen to!
Sunil
Jul 15, 2011, 9:27:03 AM7/15/11
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Not sure what's happening at the moment. I've been training for nearly
4 weeks now, but in the last week and half i've increased the training
in each day/session to around 40 minutes. In total, yesterday, I did
60 minutes, the day before was 50. I've noticed that I'm feeling
different to normal in that my brain actually feels different - more
light - as if I can feel more blood in the front and left side, but
i'm a little more fatigued. Last week I was feeling more energized.
I'm wondering, might I be doing too much each day? Maybe I should
limit myself to 20-30 mins? Anyone else felt this before?
4 weeks now, but in the last week and half i've increased the training
in each day/session to around 40 minutes. In total, yesterday, I did
60 minutes, the day before was 50. I've noticed that I'm feeling
different to normal in that my brain actually feels different - more
light - as if I can feel more blood in the front and left side, but
i'm a little more fatigued. Last week I was feeling more energized.
I'm wondering, might I be doing too much each day? Maybe I should
limit myself to 20-30 mins? Anyone else felt this before?
Pontus Granström
Jul 15, 2011, 4:19:26 PM7/15/11
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Follow the principles of physical training. Don't over train, take breaks, let the brain "recover", get a lot of "fuel" and "building materials" after you have trained. For example I am going to take ALC and ALA right after n-backing.
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whoisbambam
Jul 15, 2011, 5:57:24 PM7/15/11
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that arginine proargi-9 seems to be giving me more stamina/endurance.
i can do more reps on the weights and i get a 'thicker' pump into the
muscles.
it has only been a week tho.
but this will be most interesting if i have actually found another
'supplement'/product that actually does something i can perceive.
On Jul 15, 3:19 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Follow the principles of physical training. Don't over train, take breaks,
> let the brain "recover", get a lot of "fuel" and "building materials" after
> you have trained. For example I am going to take ALC and ALA right after
> n-backing.
>
i can do more reps on the weights and i get a 'thicker' pump into the
muscles.
it has only been a week tho.
but this will be most interesting if i have actually found another
'supplement'/product that actually does something i can perceive.
On Jul 15, 3:19 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Follow the principles of physical training. Don't over train, take breaks,
> let the brain "recover", get a lot of "fuel" and "building materials" after
> you have trained. For example I am going to take ALC and ALA right after
> n-backing.
>
Sunil Odedra
Jul 15, 2011, 7:28:07 PM7/15/11
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Hey guys. I think you're right. I kinda knew I was overdoing it but bit i've been getting too greedy for quick gains. I've switched down to 20 mins today. I broke n-5 yesterday so I deserve a day or two off as well :)
Pontus. What are ALC/ALA? I take it they aid recovery. Would these suppliments enable me to train harder/longer each day? Can you give any examples where they have bolstered your training?
Cheers
Cheers
Sunil
Green
Jul 15, 2011, 7:58:36 PM7/15/11
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What about rest? They did a study on WM training in which training
multiple sessions a day only increased the rate of improvement when
the subjects took naps between session.
genvirO
Jul 15, 2011, 10:16:59 PM7/15/11
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I don't think there is anything wrong with training for extending
periods, however I personally have found that you need to cater for
the fatigue that will set in (from what I've found) by taking a decent
rest. For instance, I train with a schedule that follows a 2 days on 1
day off routine, with total training time consisting of 1.5 - 2 hours,
where I train for 30-40 min on each of the following three modes in
consecutive style:
1.Variable-combination n-back (1.80 sec intervals, 5min sess.)
2. Arithmetic (1/2 crab) (1.80 sec intervals, 5 min sess.)
3. Quad-n-back. (3 sec intervals, 5 min sess.)
= 60% interference
I've found the following schedule manageable and most importantly,
helpful. However, it's about finding what's best for you personally.
Others have suggested to take on this sort of experimentation once one
is comfortable with 6-n-back and beyond, just to serve as an
indication that they may be ready for other modes/variants.
I hope that provides you with a different perspective. I thought I
perhaps should post a response because I think I'm one of the few
people that has attempted a routine such as this and has been able to
maintain it for about two months now. The primary reason being is that
I'm currently preparing for some tests that are coming up, and after
such tests I will most likely reduce training time down to 1 hour (20
min per mode), training only 2-3 days per week (maintenance purposes).
I choose to train on different modes due to their structural
differences, thus this it could mean they may individually train
unique WM functions, leading to different benefits.
On Jul 16, 9:28 am, Sunil Odedra <oded...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys. I think you're right. I kinda knew I was overdoing it but bit i've been getting too greedy for quick gains. I've switched down to 20 mins today. I broke n-5 yesterday so I deserve a day or two off as well :)
>
> Pontus. What are ALC/ALA? I take it they aid recovery. Would these suppliments enable me to train harder/longer each day? Can you give any examples where they have bolstered your training?
>
> Cheers
> Sunil
>
periods, however I personally have found that you need to cater for
the fatigue that will set in (from what I've found) by taking a decent
rest. For instance, I train with a schedule that follows a 2 days on 1
day off routine, with total training time consisting of 1.5 - 2 hours,
where I train for 30-40 min on each of the following three modes in
consecutive style:
1.Variable-combination n-back (1.80 sec intervals, 5min sess.)
2. Arithmetic (1/2 crab) (1.80 sec intervals, 5 min sess.)
3. Quad-n-back. (3 sec intervals, 5 min sess.)
= 60% interference
I've found the following schedule manageable and most importantly,
helpful. However, it's about finding what's best for you personally.
Others have suggested to take on this sort of experimentation once one
is comfortable with 6-n-back and beyond, just to serve as an
indication that they may be ready for other modes/variants.
I hope that provides you with a different perspective. I thought I
perhaps should post a response because I think I'm one of the few
people that has attempted a routine such as this and has been able to
maintain it for about two months now. The primary reason being is that
I'm currently preparing for some tests that are coming up, and after
such tests I will most likely reduce training time down to 1 hour (20
min per mode), training only 2-3 days per week (maintenance purposes).
I choose to train on different modes due to their structural
differences, thus this it could mean they may individually train
unique WM functions, leading to different benefits.
On Jul 16, 9:28 am, Sunil Odedra <oded...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys. I think you're right. I kinda knew I was overdoing it but bit i've been getting too greedy for quick gains. I've switched down to 20 mins today. I broke n-5 yesterday so I deserve a day or two off as well :)
>
> Pontus. What are ALC/ALA? I take it they aid recovery. Would these suppliments enable me to train harder/longer each day? Can you give any examples where they have bolstered your training?
>
> Cheers
> Sunil
>
> On 15 Jul 2011, at 21:19, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Follow the principles of physical training. Don't over train, take breaks, let the brain "recover", get a lot of "fuel" and "building materials" after you have trained. For example I am going to take ALC and ALA right after n-backing.
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> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Sunil <oded...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Not sure what's happening at the moment. I've been training for nearly
> > 4 weeks now, but in the last week and half i've increased the training
> > in each day/session to around 40 minutes. In total, yesterday, I did
> > 60 minutes, the day before was 50. I've noticed that I'm feeling
> > different to normal in that my brain actually feels different - more
> > light - as if I can feel more blood in the front and left side, but
> > i'm a little more fatigued. Last week I was feeling more energized.
>
> > I'm wondering, might I be doing too much each day? Maybe I should
> > limit myself to 20-30 mins? Anyone else felt this before?
>
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> > Not sure what's happening at the moment. I've been training for nearly
> > 4 weeks now, but in the last week and half i've increased the training
> > in each day/session to around 40 minutes. In total, yesterday, I did
> > 60 minutes, the day before was 50. I've noticed that I'm feeling
> > different to normal in that my brain actually feels different - more
> > light - as if I can feel more blood in the front and left side, but
> > i'm a little more fatigued. Last week I was feeling more energized.
>
> > I'm wondering, might I be doing too much each day? Maybe I should
> > limit myself to 20-30 mins? Anyone else felt this before?
>
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