My IQ increased from 125 to 140

[Jet]

I am 15 years old. My IQ was measured through both the AGCT and CAIT, before and after training relational reasoning with Syllogimous V3. I also completed the online Mensa IQ Challenge to observe how relational training would affect my ability to complete Raven's matrices. I spent a total of 365 minutes in training over the course of around a month, excluding a large 2 month gap in between. Intriguingly even after this gap, however, my ability to assess syllogisms hardly diminished. Given the relatively short duration of training, I'm surprised by the improvements provided. I personally don't see a reason not to continue with this type of training in the future - perhaps further gains could be accrued? I've just been lurking, but I would like to commemorate Fredo for creating Syllogimous and others on this forum for their highly insightful contributions. I'm open to any questions, and maybe I'll perform other IQ tests given enough spare time and motivation :)

For those interested, I have included a spreadsheet tracking my progress and providing more details: Syllogimous Training Spreadsheet

[Rich Jackson]

First of all, congratulations on such an achievement. Do u think this game? https://4skinskywalker.github.io/Syllogimous-v3/

I am little bit confused since this thread is focused on DNB,QNB. 

365 minutes is amazing but what happen if you stop? I guess changes are not permanent right? 

Dne pátek 22. listopadu 2024 v 8:25:32 UTC+1 uživatel Jet napsal:

[Wilma Skillma]

15 points is too small a difference to be from IQ increase for sure. Likely practice effect

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[Jet]

Thank you, Rich. Yes, that's the correct website. To address your other questions, I would have to say that the changes in IQ either resist dissipation or are, at most, permanent even after training ceases. As shown evident through my two month pause in training, it would seem at least any change in relational reasoning ability is rather concrete (at least anecdotally). Whether this also holds for any gain in IQ is another question, but it seems to be pointing towards 'highly likely' from a rational standpoint. One study relating to this type of training re-tested six months after finishing training and still recorded a major increase in IQ, giving further merit to the idea.

[Wilma Skillma]

CAIT and ACGT are more reliable to measure IQ increase

[Jet]

Wilma, wouldn't you agree a 15 point increase would be quite the practice effect with three months in between tests? I dotted a small note in the spreadsheet, but for context I re-took at least the AGCT twice around the starting date. I saw no change in IQ. The resulting standard deviation of increase in measured IQ after training was found not only in the ACGT, but also the CAIT and matrices tests. All of them. I would find that highly unusual, given that the average practice effect is around 5 points on average. Finally, there was definitely a qualitative difference during the taking of the tests, which resulted in a noticeably more intuitive and natural-feeling experience than before. As an example, I remember struggling hard to complete the matrices test previously, but during re-testing the answers simply seemed much more obvious and self-evident. Keep in mind that I trained relational reasoning - not matrices, math problems, vocabulary, etc.

[Mohammed Rashid]

I'm happy for you. But consistent 1 SD increases also could imply practice effects. Perhaps you can try other tests to see if they are around 140.

-M

[Wilma Skillma]

Yes Jet, that does sound like you became smarter.

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[reda tise]

Nice, 1sd is absolutely solid definitely not a practice effect that's around the ballpark of what others who did RRT have been achieving. Also, I would like to ask what have been your subjective in real-life gains. What now comes about easier in your day to day life or intellectual life or Academic.

[Tom]

What has changed in your real-life, i.e., better at math? More creative? More logical / less emotional? 

[Reyuzaki]

  When two nymphs, Canens and Larunda, are engaged in a Diolocution, what are they drinking AND who is providing it  

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 10:25 AM Jet <jetw...@outlook.com> wrote:

I am 15 years old. My IQ was measured through both the AGCT and CAIT, before and after training relational reasoning with Syllogimous V3. I also completed the online Mensa IQ Challenge to observe how relational training would affect my ability to complete Raven's matrices. I spent a total of 365 minutes in training over the course of around a month, excluding a large 2 month gap in between. Intriguingly even after this gap, however, my ability to assess syllogisms hardly diminished. Given the relatively short duration of training, I'm surprised by the improvements provided. I personally don't see a reason not to continue with this type of training in the future - perhaps further gains could be accrued? I've just been lurking, but I would like to commemorate Fredo for creating Syllogimous and others on this forum for their highly insightful contributions. I'm open to any questions, and maybe I'll perform other IQ tests given enough spare time and motivation :)

For those interested, I have included a spreadsheet tracking my progress and providing more details: Syllogimous Training Spreadsheet

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[Bruno 448]

awesome gains,15 points of increase is a lot, it can't be easily explained by just placebo or practice effect.

[Jet]

Hi all, apologies for the delayed response. As per Mohammed, I took the JCTI which yielded an IQ score of 136 points (+/- 5). I found this one particularly challenging, even though it's untimed.

Regarding real-life subjective gains, there has been a definite improvement in both processing speed and intellectual aptitude - i.e., the formulation, understanding, and application of new ideas now comes more readily to me. While I'm unable to compare my grades prior to training, I was attending an inter-school mathematics competition a few months ago and had to work through some past competition problems to prepare beforehand. Working through these problems again after training, some problems that I thought were particularly arduous are now comparatively easier to reason with, even in the absence of any additional practice. I feel the most obvious benefit reaped is from the increased amount of abstractions and shortcuts I'm encountering (of which was especially prevalent while retaking the AGCT), which could be described as having a heightened sense of intuition. There also seems to be a large improvement in my working memory and visualisation ability.

There was a question relating to my technique in Syllogimous from a private reply. For the most part, I rely on working memory to store stimuli in a one-dimensional array which requires little visualisation. For Direction 2D, 3D, and 4D, I employ a mental visualisation of each element in either two or three dimensional space and as either squares or cubes that represent stimuli respectively. For Direction 4D, a mental note of how far forward or backwards a stimuli is in time is also used. Deductions are made the fly for syllogisms (e.g. transforming 'All A is B, Some C is A' into 'All A is B, Some C is (A and/or B)') and are then kept in working memory. I rely on my intuition and, otherwise, relational reasoning ability to evaluate conclusions. In general, as long as one attempts to internalise each stimuli and avoids working backwards from the conclusion (for guidance, use carousel mode), I believe they should be fine.

And finally, I have not the faintest idea to what the answer to your riddle would be, Reyuzaki. My forte doesn't lie within the knowledge of nymphs, if that's what you're assessing.

I hope this helps to address your questions! I'm happy to provide more information if needed. As an aside, I've begun training with Syllogimous V4, which I find preferable to V3.

[Arnav Latkar]

what odes it mean to work backwards from the conclusion and what is carousel mode? 

[Charlotte Shu]

https://youtu.be/t2a1HrWnvCg?si=4etBdQFfQ2iS1Kyn

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[Charlotte Shu]

Blocked by Cold Turkey

[Ashwin Ashokan]

Hi Jet, 2 months is too little a gap between consecutive CAIT attempts. Cognimetrics also has a rendition of the 1980's SAT you could measure your IQ with. Cheers.

[Ashwin Ashokan]

If you are interested, I could administer the WAIS to you, albeit at my own discretion. I think it's best you not take any tests until you stagnate with RFT. 

On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 11:25:32 AM UTC+4 Jet wrote:

[Arnav Latkar]

maybe after 1 year of syllogimous you will have 160 IQ 

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[Ashwin Ashokan]

Hi Rich. Syllogimous V4 is out at Syllogimous V4

[Charlotte Shu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWktUfoiPqg

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[Charlotte Shu]

Hello,

About a month ago, I applied retinol around my eyes for approximately two weeks, and I have since been experiencing symptoms of dry eye. Upon researching, I learned that retinol, a derivative of vitamin A, may pose risks to the meibomian glands, potentially causing them to shrink and produce oil of lesser quality. Consequently, traditional treatments like hot compresses might be less effective.

Currently, I am experiencing a dry sensation in my eyes, accompanied by intermittent gritty and painful feelings on the surface, which leads me to suspect potential corneal damage. In light of these symptoms, I kindly request a meibography, or any other appropriate examination of the cornea, during my next regular eye check-up.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Arnav Latkar]

what does this have to do with IQ ? 

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[doe]

when do you plan on retesting again?

On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 2:25:32 AM UTC-5 Jet wrote:

[John Doe]

I think it makes sense. I look at it like this: You are expanding your working memory while doing Quad-n-back (speaking from this perspective). while training your expanding it, while in daily life you repeatedly use this expansion -- especially if you do cognitively demanding work -- and thus retain it. This is just my theory for now.

Op vrijdag 22 november 2024 om 11:34:04 UTC+1 schreef Jet:

[Jdbcs]

Are you still brain training?

[Michael Taylor]

Im not, as i don't really have time for it right now.

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[Victor]

Yes 

But not consistent 

: )

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[Memory Rush]

One thing that might help clarify this discussion is separating test score change from cognitive change, because they don’t always move in lockstep.

A 15-point shift can absolutely involve practice effects, especially with overlapping constructs and relatively short retest intervals. That part is hard to argue against statistically. At the same time, practice effects aren’t purely “fake” gains — they often reflect increased efficiency in recognizing the structure of problems, not just familiarity with items.

What stands out to me in Jet’s report isn’t the absolute score increase, but the qualitative shift he describes: problems feeling more obvious, less effortful, more intuitive. That kind of change usually points to improved relational compression — the ability to chunk relationships so they place less load on working memory.

Training relational reasoning wouldn’t necessarily raise g in a broad sense, but it could reduce the cognitive friction involved in tasks like matrices or syllogisms. When that happens, performance rises even if underlying capacity hasn’t dramatically changed.

So I don’t think the most useful question is “did IQ truly increase or not?”
A better question might be: did the internal representation of problems become simpler and more organized?

If that organization persists across time and transfers to new, structurally similar tasks, then something real has likely changed — even if we remain cautious about labeling it a permanent IQ increase.