I agree completely. When I said "top of their class" I meant with
respect to IQ score alone, not academic achievement. I hope that the
rest of my post was clear about that.
Fluid g, which is what the investigators were trying to measure with
their IQ test is a sign of problem-solving ability however, and thus
relates to intellectual capacity to analyze and solve problems. So, do
I think that a student with an IQ of 150 can do better academically
than one with an IQ of 131? Sure, if all else is equal emotionally,
psychologically, and physically (there would also have to be an
equivalent level of interest and motivation of course). This is not to
say that they will do better professionally however.
Here's an interesting take on the matter by the late Grady Towers:
I recommend his other essays as well - they are wonderfully
On Dec 8, 1:11 pm, "Gore Lando" <gorela...@gmail.com
> Just so we're clear, IQ in itself is not going to "put" someone at the top
> of their class. IQ is a metric for a limited set of mental abilities and is
> useful in that. It has positive correlations statistically to professional
> success, but then, so does height. I run the risk of being crude in talking
> about my own IQ score, but for example I scored pretty high when I took the
> Stanford-Binet years ago, but I also display the symptoms of attention
> deficit disorder (primary inattentive) and would not be professionally
> successful without medication.
> >Mozart may have been a musical prodigy, but even he trained hard to
> achieve what he did.
> Right, and among other relevant things they don't measure IQ tests don't
> measure musical creativity, though they may measure certain "functions" (to
> abstract) with greater or lesser degrees of relation, interdependence.
> I study literature and I imagine many of the geniuses in this field would
> not outscore John H. Sununu, but I also don't think Sununu could produce
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:12 AM, MR <rouss...@gmail.com
> > LSaul posted about his apparent rise in IQ back in October. From what
> > I remember, he had recently failed to qualify for MENSA, which
> > requires a score of about 131 (98th percentile). He then got a 151
> > (99.97th percentile) on a professionally administered IQ test (WAIS)
> > three months later, after 2 months of regular dual-n-back use.
> > Here's a link to his thread:
> > If the improvement is in fact real, his problem-solving ability would
> > have increased dramatically, though it may not have been evident
> > unless he was involved in intellectually taxing work. Even one's math
> > ability wouldn't improve much after such a jump without putting some
> > work in. What I think would happen however is that one would find math
> > easier to pick-up should they attempt to study it. You can't do
> > calculus if you haven't at least read the text.
> > 131 is an already high IQ score, but it's not that extraordinary in
> > academic circles (professors, physicians, etc...). 151 however would
> > very easily put most med students or grad students at the top of their
> > class. The thing is though...whatever your IQ is, you can't learn
> > medicine, math, or history without putting in the work. Improving your
> > IQ by 20 points will only have a large impact if this new intellectual
> > capacity is put to use in learning the material.
> > Mozart may have been a musical prodigy, but even he trained hard to
> > achieve what he did.
> > Interesting thoughts on very high IQ (which 151 is getting close to)
> > can be read at:http://www.eskimo.com/~miyaguch/
> > Look under "Letters and Essays by Grady Towers" - the most notable
> > ones are "The outsiders", "The empty promise", and "IQ and real world
> > success".
> > Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. I'd really like to hear more about
> > LSaul's experience myself.
> > MR
> > MR
> > On Dec 6, 11:42 am, Crypto <sergioglopez1...@gmail.com
> > > I must say that maybe I was using a strategy while playing because I
> > > tryied to remember the n - back sequence in my mind, now I will try to
> > > play it intuitively as most of the people is doing it in this group.
> > > Anyway, have you obtein any IQ gains?
> > > On 6 dic, 20:33, Crypto <sergioglopez1...@gmail.com
> > > > Hi. When I first started playing Dual N-back I could hardly do it with
> > > > the dual 2-back, now I can play with an average of 5.10 - 5.15 on
> > > > soakyourhead. However, I've haven't seen any improvement in IQ tests,
> > > > I get almost the same results as before. Have you seen real IQ gains?
> > > > Of how many points? Which online version do you play with?- Hide quoted text -
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