How should I n-back?

[jck]

Should I try to keep memorizing or should i focus on the current and
do it intuitively?

Also, should I follow brainworkshop's algorithm and let it fall back
to lower nback if i fall below the threshold or should i manually play
at the level hardest to me?

[Działo, Christopher]

I'll play until I plateau; I'll thus swith to manual mode and begin to play at the next n-back level, practice, and return to the previous level.

On Apr 17, 2011 4:44 PM, "jck" <jckee...@gmail.com> wrote:

[whoisbambam]

jck,

well, i have stopped nbacking--lost my motivation at the moment. oh
well.


personally, i cant stand the default setting.

i manually control the program.

my recommendation is to manually control the program, master a level
to 90% scores

then manually increase the level, struggle for it.........

do 10-15games like that

then go back to your previous level that you achieved 90% on and make
sure you can still master it--do 5-10games.

repeat day after day.......

[jck]

Thanks, I'll do this.

What about the first part of the question?

BTW, @whoisbambam. What was your motivation in the first place?

[whoisbambam]

jck,

well, you KNOW there is a lot of controversy on the forum here
regarding that.

Personally, i dont like intuitive stuff.

i either KNOW it, and I can SEE it, with what I THINK is 100%
certainty, or i dont, and i 'start over' cause i 'lost' my place.

however, there are many here that love the intuitive thingee so i wont
know it........

again, personally, i dont like 'guessing' (intuitive) by any stretch
of any imagination, just because it 'seems' it might be right........

probly depends on your brain dominance.

i suppose if you are musical, artistic, and the like, you may prefer
this intuitive method.

i am more 'black and white' type thinking (i cant draw a thing, i cant
play any musical instrument, and i preferred mathematics and science
over the arts--altho my English professors thought i should be a
writer--whatever)

[jck]

I also hate doing anything because it 'feels' right. However, I asked because I read that playing n-back by memorizing the sequence is useless because you are just training your memory while with n-back you should be learning a new skill.

[D]

Regardless of the techniques you use at the higher levels, dual n-back
is still a very strenuous mental workout. It will lead to some
improvement, somewhere, even if you're memorising

[whoisbambam]

well, i am not sure what he means by memorizing.

it is called using your working memory.

the positions and sounds change constantly--he cant memorize all the
possible combinations into long memory

so, yeah, you memorize the positions and sounds short
term.........like you are supposed to.

if you are scoring well with the 'intuitive' method, lol, you are
STILL memorizing (if you want to call working memory memorizing)

[Działo, Christopher]

I don't internalize how much of a mental workout n-back actually is. How would you rate it on a scale of 1-10? I find n-backing fun and will often put in 45mins daily, along with some games at Luminosity and mental-aktiv.de. It would be wonderful if an intense, more advanced game that trained IVG. There was a previous threat that spoke about n-back and how it requires a certain type of person to maintain training -- I have a like-minded friend that is IQ ~130 and cares about his mental performance, and he doesn't even maintain his regimen. I don't see BWS becoming widely adapted, even with the capacity increase Gf and overall cognition. 

I play with a mixture of memorizing and intuitive play. Intuitive play causes some troubles as I doubt myself selection and end making wrong matches, even though I know there wasnt a match. I get over excited/ahead of myself and have been training to not be so quick to answer, and let intuitive answers emerge more frequently. I'm playing at 60-80's, and will sometimes I get 85s's if I maintain control for that session; the lower scores are from stupid mistakes that cause me to confuse my sequence. I've reached 6-back with 50%.

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[brain train]

i think memorizing is a better choice in the beginning (otherwise progress is likely to be very slow, and it would appear frustrating).

once you reach dnb 3 or dnb4, intution will automatically start coming into play (when you accidentally forget, you will have to guess..and slowly you can pick up on intutive way of doing it!)

2011/4/19 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>