Has anyone completed Harry Kahnes Multiple Mentality course?

[Albert Misul]

Well I am curious if achieving a multiple mentality is actually
possible using Harry Kahnes course. If anyone has completed it, please
post your results here. I am going to be trying the course soon and
want to know how it has gone for other people.

[jotaro]

you wont achive multi mentality ,because you have one brain.

harry kahne real ability and the course has huge gap between them.

that have said i did 90 percent of the book.

and all what was hard becomes automated ,like people when you cant play the piano and it becomes easy. so i didnt achive multi mentality.and once its automated it becomes one process not multi,like 2 handed piano combined and becomes one process but at the beginning hard to do.

[Seth]

I'm on the sixth week, and I think it definitely helps mental
agility.

There's actually a difference between easily playing a piano piece by
constant practice vs the mentalitiy course. When you practice a piece
over and over again you are practicing the same notes. What if instead
of training yourself to automatically play the piano piece you instead
trained yourself to sight read easily so that you could easily pick up
any piano piece at a certain difficulty level? By training yourself to
'sight read', you are training an ability which will be much more
transferable than that one piano piece.

Thus, in the sixth week, each day you're training with 6 different six
letter words. When he says he wants it to be automatic, he wants you
to be able to remember the 6 words and after that, you should be able
to immediately write down the appropriate letter combinations just as
quickly as you could write down the letters of any word.

Here's what i think that week trains. It trains your mind to quickly
call up the 6 letter words over and over again. I'm finding it
difficult to peek ahead one word in my mind while writing a letter of
the previous word; i.e. I feel some resistance. I imagine when i
master lesson 6, I will have greatly improved my ability to quickly
pull up words that aren't in my working memory (maybe in intermediate
memory/primed memory?) And that's a good ability to improve, as it
will probably generalize to any mental object!

When asking about what multiple mentality is: people can do multiple
things at once all the time. Its just that most of the multiple things
are automated, and seem trivial to us. However, what if we could train
and automate a more transferable ability, like piano 'sight reading?'
Is the conscious mind one of these abilities? Remember, your
subconscious mind processes stuff in parallel, its only the conscious
that is serial. could we train multiple conscious threads? Could we
train the one conscious thread to be more parallel,i.e. deligate stuff
to our subconscious mind and immediately get a response back? Idk,
apparently Harry Kannes did. Thinking about it, I don't think its
ridiculous at all....

I definitely think his course would help in that direction, whether it
actually gets one there, i dont know, but i dont care cause its really
great at improving brain speed. Its sort of like a complement to brain
n-back, cause brain n-back just improves working memory, this will
help you maximize the use of that working memory!

Interesting stuff ....

[shuriken]

a while ago I wrote a small script so I could do some multiplying
(thanks to typed arrays and speak.js with speech synthesis) while
juggling && ( reading || singing along to a song).
rewiring the brain and promoting plasticity is always a good thing.

[Brandon Woodson]

I'm not so sure one attains an ability to gain an additional
"mentality" so much as one gains the ability to improve their WM (not
necessarily the span), which may allow one to more easily accommodate
more information at a time. Kahne also refers to his own brain as
merely being "good", yet he later (in his course) implies that his
ability to ace (to the amazement of his testers) what he considers
"queer" psychometric tests is more due to the development of his brain
than any natural ability possessed by his brain.

[T. Lavon Lawrence]

I did years ago.  Great if you want the ability to "WOW" people at parties, but otherwise just good practice at disciplining one's self.

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[Seth]

Its interesting to note that according to some (the creator of image
streaming, and the author of 'the einstein factor'), genius is just a
development of the brain in a certain manner also. I.e. it can the
brain can be trained to be a genius

[Seth]

Also, using a computer metronome on lesson 6 is really good! Writing a
regular word i can get up to a beat of 130 or so per writing down of a
letter. Right now im on a beat of 55 for the combining of 6 words.
Lots of improvement to go ....

[UOchris1]

I've had some success with Kahne's course and its not a very widely
used system, so any time his name is mentioned I usually get
involved. Nonetheless, after years of mental training with different
cognitive systems, I have not found panacea.  I have reinforced for
myself that intelligence encompasses a spectrum of mental abilities
that are limited by our genetics.  Kahne must have had some amazing
genetics and unfortunately its doubtful that there is any amount of
training that could get me to his level.  Nonetheless, it seems clear
to me that intelligence can be trained and it is useful to think of it
as a light whose brightness is dependent on the intensity each
wavelength that makes it up.

In this convenient light analogy for intelligence, Short Term Memory
should be considered an important wavelength and speed of processing
another wavelength, for example.   For things to be well illuminated,
all the wavelengths should not only be there but they should be
individually bright.  However, there are very few systems that can
effectively train the whole spectrum at once.  For this reason taking
a piece-wise approach and focusing your training on improving the
intensity of specific components is very effective.  This approach
takes time but at least it is an effective way to spend your time
toward achieving an end.  Where does Harry Kahne fit in in this
paradigm?

If brightness of a light is lacking, it is useful to focus as many
rays as possible on one or a few things, like using a magnifying glass
to concentrate limited rays of a setting sun on a point.   However,
for effective synthesis of ideas I think multiple points need to be
illuminated at once, not just one.  Sometimes, the goal is to see the
bigger picture with the ant in his surroundings and not just his leg,
other times the reverse is true.  This is where, for me, Kahne's
exercises come in.   His exercises are excellent for developing, as a
primary outcome, executive control of attention (There may be some
secondary outcomes such as improved speed of processing and increases
in short term memory, which for seems plausible because advances in
his system require longer and longer strings of information to be
recalled, and I presume this information is being stored in short term
memory).  Kahne was a freak of nature however, I'll admit that.  But,
if your goal is to maximize your potential along your own potential
curve, then this overall approach is about the best approach I have
found up until this point.

With all that said, I never completed his course.  But I gave it
decent run and plan on going back eventually.  I did however learn
some helpful little tricks for enhancing recall, like taking a random
sentence from a magazine while sitting in a waiting room for example
and attempting  to recall it backwards with the goal of being able to
recall more and more over time.  Another thing that helped with verbal
fluency that I kind of got as an idea from Kahne was to repeat what I
was listening to on the radio while driving, while using longer and
longer 'caches' of words--i found this especially helpful when getting
the vocals ready for a presentation.   It combines nicely with Kahne's
techniques because when presenting, your vocals are fluid and you are
able to talk and think about the next thing coming more effectively
without the appearance of losing your train of thought--its like your
words are behind your thoughts.

Again, every thing for me has been improvement to a degree.   Still
don't feel like a genius, but occasionally in my day Ill have a moment
where the light bulb goes off and I surprise myself by making a
connection that wasn't possible before.

[Albert Misul]

Whether it works or not I will try it just to see the possible effects
of the course. In your opinion what is the best mental training?

[Seth]

I like that; i can definitely see that kahnes course improves
executive control of attention/ ability to play with things in working
memory. And brain n-back increased working memory span and focus
(attention on one thing). Sort of complements each other...

[Seth]

Interestingly enough, with lesson 6, if you use a metronome with
headphones plugged into computer, it tends to synchronize your brain
speed to the beat. You write down the letters to the beat, but you try
to think quicker than the beat, which is helpful in order to process
the next word before you need to write down the appropriate letter. By
trying to break this tempo limit, your brain is provided with a nice
exercise. Also might be helpful in learning how to keep two beats at
the same time, in dancing, instrument playing, etc..... Perhaps a
person is used to thinking at a certain pace, and this provides a
tempo limit, and this exercise will help break that tempo limit and
increase brain speed.

[UOchris1]

I look at intelligence (using a practical defintion, as in, what do I
need to know, what the quickest way to learn it, what's the most
efficient way to retain it) as having a fluid component and
crystallized component, then here is how I would rate things:

Crystallized (long-term memory): ANKI flash card system combined with
Harry Lorrayne/Dr. Kenneth Higbee's memory systems

Fluid Intelligence: Dual-n-back, Harry Kahne's MM, along with 5mins of
stroop and reaction time training before starting DNB or MM.

However, this should be qualified under my belief that the approach to
training may even be more important the training itself.   With
everything I do,  I use a principle of overload.  I pick up the speed
just to the point of failure or crank the level up to the same point.
 Then, I cut back and focus only on accuracy.  Then I pick a level
that's comfortable and try to bring it together.   But I always always
try to do a little more than I can handle, then back off to really
overemphasize accuracy.

Another overall strategy that I have used that has developed over time
and is proving effective, is I try to use daily activities to develop
skills that I think are important and overlapping with things that
would otherwise be unrelated.   Remember from my previous post for
example how I like using the radio as a way of working on verbal
skills and auditory comprehension.   A second example is using DNB to
develop my peripheral vision.   Since I did eye-Q speed reading for a
while, and since there was a big emphasis on developing peripheral
vision,  I try to pay attention to as much as I can in the periphery
while doing DNB without losing my focus on the cross hairs in the
middle of the screen (peripheral vision is also useful for sports and
driving--so overlapping benefits).   Its simple things like that.

A book that was most beneficial was, "Introducing NLP: Psychological
Skills for Understanding and Influencing People" by Joseph O'Connor.
It was probably the single most influential book on developing life
skills for every area. It really is a science of success that every
arena you fin d yourself in. Its like be given the concept of a wheel
but not really being told exactly where to use one.

Finally, what brought it all together  for me I must say was stumbling
across Zen Buddhism.  I found that it also gives one a way for
approaching everything.  Its more of an art than a philosophy and its
definitely (at least in my interpretation) not a religion.  The hard
part is dropping your notions about what it is and then figuring out
what your practicing but once you do everything becomes an opportunity
for practicing it, which can make even the most mundane stuff
enjoyable at times.   There are a ton of books and authors out there
but "The way of the peaceful warrior" by Dan Millman is a good intro
and an easy read.   My personal favorite at the entry level is "The
Miracle of Mindfulness" by Thich Nhat Hanh and at the more advanced
level it is, "The Three Pillars of Zen", which  is a really good one.

That's about all I have to say about that.

Chris

[jotaro]

nlp has never proved its effiency

look they tested traditional and nlp ways and guess what? both groups had same results.

nlp takes natural things and start calling them techniques.

this is absurd. they just trying to sell you the stuff.thats why they use fancy names and fancy terminology.

i do belive that the original guys had something good going which became a monster by now.

 

[glixcolic]

for those who have finished or completed the majority of the course, can you describe a specific activity that you cannot do before the course but can do now? i am curious as to how realistic is the acknowledgement section of book. i have a feeling even if they were possible, it's probably necessary to further specially train for them but the course will make the task much easier.

this course actually should be part of the education, it would have helped so much!

Thanks a lot!

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[UOchris1]

Though I usually move from a point of optimism, I have always striven
to be a philosopher and a scientist before anything else. So, overall
it was probably a mistake associating myself with NLP in general
because there is so much hocus that surrounds it. However, I didn't
recommend everyone's NLP book, only O'connor's and if I could, I'd
remove NLP from the title and rename it "The pscyhology of success:
introducing a systematic approach to achieving a goal".

I read it the book about 7 or 8 years ago and gained a lot insight
about how to re-frame a situation so I could approach it in a more
effective way. For instance, here's a sports example: suppose you
shoot a 1000 free throws a day for an extended period of time and do
not see significant improvement, some less effective ways to frame the
situation are that maybe I am incapable of improving or maybe I just
need to work harder; however, the other way to frame it is, there must
be something I can do differently to make my practice more
effective. The simple concept being, successful people frame failure
as feedback telling them that something needs to be changed; whereas,
less effective people often frame failure as an intrinsic property to
themselves, or they continue to be optimistic but continue to do the
same thing over and over expecting a different result. I have plenty
of examples of how this has applied to success in finding a woman to
success in the relationship or success in my studies at school. These
are basic areas that we all wish to excel in I think and without
someone just laying down the common sense, I may have never picked it
up along the way or it may have taken years of painful trial and error
before figuring this stuff out.

Its useful to not always equivocate complicated with effective; simple
solutions are often best, though they may be the most difficult to
implement.

Chris

[Llewellyn K]

The simple concept being, successful people frame failure
as feedback telling them that something needs to be changed; whereas,
less effective people often frame failure as an intrinsic property to
themselves, or they continue to be optimistic but continue to do the
same thing over and over expecting a different result.

Thanks.