Memory Championships Training schedule?

[Ian]

Anyone have any idea where I could find a schedule some folks use for
training their memory for this event? The US one. I tried to talk to
that Joshua Foer fella who wrote a book about it, but he never replied
to me :).

I figure if find the regimen and try to stick to it for 3 or 4 months
I'll at least be able to develop my memory fairly well in several
areas, some practical some not :).

I'm very interested, but I can't seem to find much information... I do
know it involves making a memory palace and such, but I have no idea
how long one should train each day, and what exactly they should train
on.

[Działo, Christopher]

Im a student of Phenomenal Memory and find it the best memory program todate. I've read several books on mnemonics,  but never found the material practical and quick to implement. Phenomenal memory is a 2 month course that I plan to complete before I begin my first year at Uni. The cost of the program is $297USD, and would throughly recommend it to anyone looking to develop a high-level memory system.

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[Ian]

I'm not sure if this is spam or not, but regardless I am looking for
the regimen people use to help prepare for the memory championships.
I'm not interested in a program designed by someone else, so much.I'm
certainly not going to pay money. The techniques are all available
publicly, I'm just looking for a regimen that combines them in the
best way for 30 minutes to 1 hr a day.

[Thomas Johnson]

OK, this isn't spam (you can tell because I'm not giving the most glowing review below):

Just a quick note on pmemory:

I signed up for pmemory. There are like 60 classes or something like that. I did the first one and it took me about 1.5 hours. It was also very draining, the same way that doing DnB is tiring if you do it for 30 minutes. I haven't done any others; it's really hard for me to find a block of 60-120 minutes on any given day. It's basically a ton of reading & exercises, plus they'll answer questions pretty quickly if you need clarification. I think you can get the course about $100 cheaper if you google for a coupon.

[Ian]

It's a pretty huge investment... if you can tell me where that $100
coupon is that takes it down to $200, I'd be very grateful. I can't
seem to locate it.

The reviews really do look good, actually. I'm definitely dedicated
enough. If I keep seeing only good reviews from many people, I'll
consider spending that kind of cash.

[Ian]

Going to be honest. It really doesn't look like it's worth the amount
of money being asked for it. I can't find any hard evidence that it
works amazingly well for those who put in the time, and a few threads
have popped up where people asked for a refund and were denied it.
Perhaps a book or some much cheaper alternative (of course I am
willing to pay to an extent) is in order. Are there any other ideas
that are a bit less costly?

[Działo, Christopher]

Excuse me if my message appeared to be spam. I merely wanted to comment on Phenomenal Memory as you spoke about memory programs/championship. I've spent countless hours searching for public memory techniques, but never found them practical and formulated a systematic fashion.

I can see why the cost of the program may be limited to others, but for those who are not constrained financially, I would recommend the program to anyone. I've completed lesson 10 today. Thomas, I understand where you are coming from, the lessons are rather intense and at times overwhelming - I've been enrolled for more than 40 days and have only completed the program up to lesson 10. It takes a very dedicated person to complete the program, more so as it's online based and easy to lose motivation as it's not like taking a class in school with others.

[Działo, Christopher]

I found the benefits of the program to far outweigh the cost of the program, but do understand how the price of the program could be a limiting factor in one's decision to enroll, Personally, I'm extremely delighted of my enrollment. If interested, you may download the attached PDF of the GMS manual, which speaks extensively about the phonenomena of memory and the implementation of imagination and visual images for the encoding and decoding of information, and throughly eliminate your apprehensions towards the validity of the program.

Please note: Refunds are given to students after they complete all 60 lessons and are displeased with the quality of their new skill. I can also send you 60 lessons of version 1.0, which is practical identical to version 2.0 sans the personal help and access to forums and memory training software.

[Ian]

I'm certainly interested in the 1.0 60 lessons.

>  GMS_Manual.pdf
> 1666KViewDownload

[Działo, Christopher]

Please check your e-mail in a few minutes for the material. The contents exceeded Gmail's 25MB limit.

[Działo, Christopher]

Very well! One moment!

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:40 AM, likeprestige <plast...@live.com.au> wrote:

As am I!

[whoisbambam]

likeprestige,

let me know how that system goes.........and if you think it works
well.

[Karl Smith]

I got to lesson 15 on that course (phenomenal memory), and it really does work. As far as I can tell, there's really nothing out there as good or flexible as that course. The only issue is, it's intensely hard work (well it was for me anyway). Some of the lessons are only supposed to take 2 hours, but end up taking 3 or more.

I'm going to restart it again at some point in the future.

The course is worth every penny and more. Even by lesson 15 you can remember hundreds of interlinked objects.

There's also some great people working there who will help you if you get stuck.

--

[Działo, Christopher]

Thank you Karl. Glad I'm not alone. 

[whoisbambam]

one of the biggest reasons i wont do these systems anymore is because
they dont give you all the 'images', word links, faces, etc.

if i want to learn 1000 items, i want to have the hooks for those
items and not have to try to cull them from google images and what
have you.

and i want a list of the most common 1000 first names and the images/
techniques for them........

etc etc etc

On Apr 12, 1:30 pm, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Karl. Glad I'm not alone.
>

> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I got to lesson 15 on that course (phenomenal memory), and it really does
> > work. As far as I can tell, there's really nothing out there as good or
> > flexible as that course. The only issue is, it's intensely hard work (well
> > it was for me anyway). Some of the lessons are only supposed to take 2
> > hours, but end up taking 3 or more.
>
> > I'm going to restart it again at some point in the future.
>
> > The course is worth every penny and more. Even by lesson 15 you can
> > remember hundreds of interlinked objects.
>
> > There's also some great people working there who will help you if you get
> > stuck.
>

[Działo, Christopher]

This makes you lazy, and support image because rather automatic and systematic after awhile anyway; this active act of creation, connection and fixation is what aids in one's ability to memorize. I find the system phenomenal myself, and can't wait to show of my new skills at University!

[whoisbambam]

good.

maybe you could make a video showing your great memorization skills,
perhaps memorizing a chemistry text, and post it to youtube for us.

On Apr 12, 6:31 pm, Działo, Christopher <chrisdzi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This makes you lazy, and support image because rather automatic and
> systematic after awhile anyway; this active act of creation, connection and
> fixation is what aids in one's ability to memorize. I find the system
> phenomenal myself, and can't wait to show of my new skills at University!
>

[Tom K.]

Dzialo, I'd appreciate it if you went and fucked yourself for spreading this bullshit. You, and whoever else you're associate with need to lay off the marketing campaign. That is all.

2011/4/12 Działo, Christopher <chris...@gmail.com>

[Działo, Christopher]

Um, Tom... I believe that's a tad vulgar. I've said several times now that I am only a student of Phenomenal Memory. I gain nothing from the enrollment of other students. Personally, I am very impressed with the quality of the program and only wanted to share my current experience with others. I've recommend the program to several family members and friends, all were unenthusiastic. I could careless if other members think that program is a scam, I know the program works from what few lessons I've completed and will follow the course to completion.

I've been a member of this group for several months, and it was only yesterday that I mentioned my student relation to Phenomenal Memory. If I was marketing their program, I believe I would have commented on it several more times by now.

[PadawanRay]

The first post in this link pretty much sums up what I think about
GMS:
http://mnemotechnics.org/x/forums/giordano-memorization-system-gms-the-scientology-of-memory-systems-706.html

More opinions on pmemory by seasoned memorizers:
http://memory-masters.com/forum/media/gms-giordano-memorization-system-by-ruslan-mercesjakov/

Also the "Money back guarantee" is only "guaranteed" if you don't get
the promised results AFTER completing the course. There is a 8 page
thread(http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/personal-effectiveness/4984-
school-phenomenal-memory.html) on why the owner of pmemory refused to
refund because the student does not give a satisfactory excuse.

If you want to spend money, you should get Harry Lorayne and/or
Dominic O'Brien's book/audiotape. Both books should not cost you more
than $30 and those are the systems used by world memory champions not
to mention much more well written than pmemory lessons. Otherwise
memory websites such as http://memory-sports.com, http://memory-masters.com/,
http://www.ludism.org/mentat/, http://mnemotechnics.org/wiki/ are
excellent resources to learn memory systems. And the systems are
basically:
1. Link or chain method: Linking facts using creative and exaggerated
associations which creates a memorable mini story.
2. The Peg system which you could use the Major/Phonetic(Deciphering
sounds into Object) system or Dominic(Person-Action/PA) system or
both: Create a list of 100 objects/people for numbers 00 to 99 to
memorize numbers. Advanced versions includes PAO(Person-Action-Object)
and 3rd level systems(Creating 1000 objects/people for numbers 000 to
999).
3. Method of loci: Using familiar surroundings and/or paths that you
travel everyday to store facts and data. Example: The path from your
balcony to bedroom to living room to front door to your workplace etc.

Rather than spending $300 on pmemory lessons, one could simply
practice using random words/numbers memory softwares like
http://www.memoriad.com/memoriadsoftware.asp, http://www.memorise.org/
and http://memo-camp.com. Also memorizing a pack of cards is a great
exercise.

And Tom.K I agree with you that these "word of mouth" marketing
campaign by Pmemory is getting quite nauseating. You could find them
on several forums and youtube videos and they all have a similar way
of recommending Pmemory. And eventually they're here lol.

[whoisbambam]

PadawanRay,

thank you for sharing.
this:
http://memo-camp.com/anleitungen/majorsystem_tabelle?locale=en_GB
combined with this:
http://memo-camp.com/anleitungen/po_pvo?locale=en_GB

Is rather interesting, but i dont know where they came up with the
names and actions cause it does not correlate with the 1X1po
http://memo-camp.com/anleitungen/kleine_1x1_po?locale=en_GB

as you can see, that url doesnt correlate with:

135540
13 - ( Letters: 1=T & 3=M) person Team & verb cheering & object
football
55 - (Letters: 5=L & 5=L) person Lucky Luke & verb to suck & the
object Lolipop
40 - (Letters: 4=R & 0=S) person Sleeping Beauty & verb to kiss &
object rose

where is this person Team, lucky luke, and sleeping beauty, and where
did these verbs cheering, suck,and kiss come from? I dont see it in
any examples.

Does this site teach this sytem of 00-99 with the associated persons,
verbs, etc cause it doesnt seem to with the examples shown.

this is a most interesting site. The journey method video works for 52
places--what software is this? would it be possible to create a room
like that with 100 objects to stick data on with this site or some
program????

I am horribly visual, and i cant even 'see' in my minds eye the
objects in my own house that i see multiple times a day. Lame.


does this site 'teach' me how to do this stuff, or is it just for
'practice' assuming i already know it?


also, it does seem to assist with the memorization of 52 or 100 items,
numbers, lists, etc but that is rather limited. first, it would be
nice to expand that to 1000, and second, i dont know how this can help
me learn anatomy, physiology, diseases, economics, statistics, etc etc
etc.

???

I think the only way to learn informational text is the old fashioned
make up some questions and answers and plug them into repetiton
programs like supermemo???


your feedback is most welcomed.

you seem to have deep knowledge on the subject matter.

thanks.

On Apr 13, 7:52 am, PadawanRay <limrayb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The first post in this link pretty much sums up what I think about

> GMS:http://mnemotechnics.org/x/forums/giordano-memorization-system-gms-th...
>
> More opinions on pmemory by seasoned memorizers:http://memory-masters.com/forum/media/gms-giordano-memorization-syste...

> andhttp://memo-camp.com. Also memorizing a pack of cards is a great

[whoisbambam]

the memo camp site seems disorganized/confusing.

i can not clearly see how it trains one to learn the beforementioned
pov/100 majory system

[PadawanRay]

""as you can see, that url doesnt correlate with:

135540
13 - ( Letters: 1=T & 3=M) person Team & verb cheering & object
football
55 - (Letters: 5=L & 5=L) person Lucky Luke & verb to suck & the
object Lolipop
40 - (Letters: 4=R & 0=S) person Sleeping Beauty & verb to kiss &
object rose

where is this person Team, lucky luke, and sleeping beauty, and where
did these verbs cheering, suck,and kiss come from? I dont see it in
any examples.

Does this site teach this sytem of 00-99 with the associated persons,
verbs, etc cause it doesnt seem to with the examples shown.""

You make the list of objects yourself. The lists and charts in the
links you've pointed are merely examples. The point is to have a list
that is the easiest for you to recall. The number 01 can represent
Neo(The ONE from the Matrix)(Dominic System), a soccer ball and a
pencil(Number Shape System), or a tie(Major System). The number 02
could be Obi-wan Kenobi, a soccer ball and a swan, or Noah and the
list goes on...The choice is yours to choose which peg system to use
to associate an object/person with a number.

If you haven't familiarize yourself with the Major System:
http://memory-masters.com/2009/10/04/the-major-system/
http://www.ludism.org/mentat/MajorSystem

You can find an already made list of Major System here:
http://memoryskills.blogspot.com/2009/07/my-list-of-100-peg-words.html
Your first link is also a list of Major System, in a form of chart

Dominic System:
http://memory-masters.com/2009/09/19/how-to-remember-numbers-part-2/
http://www.ludism.org/mentat/DominicSystem

Dominic System's list:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles57/Creative/Memory/dom_numbers.txt
http://www.minezone.org/wiki/MVance/DominicSystem

""this is a most interesting site. The journey method video works for
52
places--what software is this? would it be possible to create a room
like that with 100 objects to stick data on with this site or some
program???? ""

You could create your own world using game editors or playing the
Sims, but there are already a lot of virtual worlds created by game
developers. World of Warcraft and Everquest 2 are examples of people
successfully created loci out of them.
There are also people who create their memory palace from scratch in
their mind and store data in it. Real, virtual or fantasy world most
importantly are the ones that work for you.

""I am horribly visual, and i cant even 'see' in my minds eye the
objects in my own house that i see multiple times a day. Lame. ""

The more you practice the better and quicker you will visualize images
in your mind.

""does this site 'teach' me how to do this stuff, or is it just for
'practice' assuming i already know it? ""

Actually that site does a bad job at teaching, rather it is more
valued for it's training application.

""also, it does seem to assist with the memorization of 52 or 100
items,
numbers, lists, etc but that is rather limited. first, it would be
nice to expand that to 1000, and second, i dont know how this can help
me learn anatomy, physiology, diseases, economics, statistics, etc etc
etc.

???

I think the only way to learn informational text is the old fashioned
make up some questions and answers and plug them into repetiton
programs like supermemo??? ""

Using repetition programs is one but not the only of way to learn.
Mnemonics is a memorization skill that aids tremendously in learning
when mastered. For learning anatomy, physiology, diseases, economics,
statistics, etc you would need to come up with your own associations
by mental imagery, localization, logic etc. It certainly helps when
you can recall everything that you needed to.
The point of mastering mnemonics is to create strong associations
quickly and effortlessly in such way that it is hard to forget. This
article explains it well: http://memory-masters.com/2009/09/17/learn-how-to-improve-your-memory-part-1/

""the memo camp site seems disorganized/confusing.

i can not clearly see how it trains one to learn the beforementioned
pov/100 majory system ""

You should check out other links that I've posted for learning memory
systems. Memocamp is quite confusing for beginners as it doesn't
explain the basics. The site has good training applications though.


By the way here is an entertaining example on using the link and loci
system is this BBC documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-xl7_hdWZo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NROegsMqNc

On Apr 13, 11:42 pm, whoisbambam <smath...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PadawanRay,
>
> thank you for sharing.
> this:http://memo-camp.com/anleitungen/majorsystem_tabelle?locale=en_GB
> combined with this:http://memo-camp.com/anleitungen/po_pvo?locale=en_GB
>
> Is rather interesting, but i dont know where they came up with the

> names and actions cause it does not correlate with the 1X1pohttp://memo-camp.com/anleitungen/kleine_1x1_po?locale=en_GB

> > memory websites such ashttp://memory-sports.com,http://memory-masters.com/,http://www.ludism...

[Karl Smith]

Look, I've got experience with lots of different memory systems and I can safely say, even though I only managed to get lesson 15 that, GMS is the best and most flexible memory system out of all of the ones that I have tried. I don't care what you believe or don't believe as I'm not here trying to persuade any of you of anything. I was actually using DnB and a member of this mailing list before ever hearing of GMS, so to say this is a marketing campaign is moronic.

All the reasons people give for not trying GMS have nothing to do with the actual system or potential issues with it. They're all petty little assumptions:

• Very insular and insecure - constantly attacking other systems and competitors (Dominic/Major/Buzan) -- That's because it is the best by FAR!
• significant downplay of 'emotional memory' -- haha "emotional memory" WTF!
• costly, at least $350 for 60 lesson course -- It must have taken months to put this together and it will literally change your life!
• emphasis on memorizing large amounts of non-numeric data -- So what! Most data you will ever memorise wont be numerical!
• sketchy affiliate system that essentially pays for links on websites, resulting in a large number of fake "rave reviews" on Google -- He wants to make money, like we all do!
• support forum has a large number of high school / college students NTTAWWT -- And!?!?
• LONG learning curve, instructors berate students for attempting to actually use system in "real world" prior to completing lesson 24 (of 60) -- yes, it's extremely difficult, if you want a crappy easy system, use Buzans!
• seems to be re-inventing itself as the "best system to learn foreign language quickly", due to non-numeric emphasis -- And what!?!?!

As, with GSM, by lesson 23...

1. You will be able to remember the full information volume below.
2. You will be able to remember all the data in direct and reverse order.
3. You will be able to answer any question on any piece of information contained in the table as well as call it by its ordinal number (without a hint).

Scroll down to the bottom to see all the information you'll be able to memorize.

LESSON TIMETABLE

1.1.1. Monday - mathematics, history, drawing, physical exercises and literature

1.1.2. Tuesday - English, geometry, history, mathematics and music

HISTORICAL DATES

1.1.3. Year 1398 - Timur invaded India and occupied Deli

1.1.4. Year 1703 - foundation of St. Petersburg

1.1.5. Year 1787 - adoption of US constitution

1.2.1.

Year 1806 - Rein Union - Union of 36 Germanic states under the protectorate of Napoleon I

DATES OF EVENT BEGINNING/END

1.2.2. 1377 - 1399 - Reign of Richard II in England

1.2.3. 1650 - 1702 - Life span of English king William III of Orange

1.2.4. 1762 - 1796 - Reign of Catherine II

PRECISE DATES

1.2.5. 1396, 25 September - Battle of Nicopolis

1.3.1. 1346, 26 August - Battle of Crecy

1.3.2. 1389, 15 June - Battle of Kosovo

1.3.3. 1492, 12 October - Columbus discovers America

FACES, SURNAMES, NAMES AND MIDDLE NAMES

1.3.4. Distinctive feature "Earring". Louisa May Alcott

1.3.5. Distinctive feature "Hair". Holly Marie Combs

1.4.1. Distinctive feature "Beard". Brian Michael Cox

1.4.2. Distinctive feature "Cap". George Washington Carver

1.4.3. Distinctive feature "Shoulders". Nancy Jessica Parker

1.4.4. Distinctive feature "Bangs". Pamela Sue Martin

1.4.5. Distinctive feature "Tie". Steven Curtis Chapman

1.5.1. Distinctive feature "Ear". Francis Ford Coppola

PHONE NUMBERS

1.5.2. "Ward" cinema - 339-26-00

1.5.3. "Ankar" cinema - 123-77-58

1.5.4. "Paradise" cinema - 309-54-35

1.5.5. "Beach" cinema - 677-90-83

ADDRESSES

2.1.1. Dental clinic 56, Chromova Street, 9/2

2.1.2. "Vasenar" company, lighter service and refilling, Warsaw highway, 78

AUTOMOBILE NUMBERS

2.1.3. Richard Lee Bell, "l 232 pr"

2.1.4. Random car. Distinctive feature - "Dice on the front window", number - "c612lw".

BIRTHDAYS

2.1.5. SEPTEMBER: 15 - Kristine, 28 - Peter

2.2.1. JULY: 11 - Tom, 17 - Jordan

2.2.2.

MARCH: 3 - Maria, 13 - Brandon Lee, 17 - Spears, 19 - "Crystal" (nickname), 21 - James Stone, 24 - Bruce

ANECDOTES

2.2.3.

About a stingy Scotchman. 
Phone conversation with Australia. 
How to teach a sister to swim? 
Two dancing hippos. 
A secretary being late.

2.2.4.

..first he created Heaven and Earth... 
...I spill more... 
"Polite" chemist 
Angel in boots 
"Happy New Year" on 30 May

GEOGRAPHICAL NAMES

2.2.5.

Rivers of South America: Amazon, Madeira, Atrato, Tocantins, Magdalena, Rio Negro, Parana, Uruguay, Orinoco, and Sao Francisco.

TERMS AN THEIR INTERPRETATION

2.3.1.

ECLIPTIC is the apparent path of the Sun during a year as seen from Earth or a plane of Earth rotation around the Sun.

2.3.2.

CEPHEID is a type of pulsating star that regularly changes its brilliance in a matter of several days.

2.3.3. PULSAR is a neutron star that radiates a fast sequence of radio waves.

2.3.4.

PROTUBERANCE is a stream of hot gas, similar to a flame, coming out from the Sun's surface.

2.3.5. PARSEC is a unit of length used in astronomy; equal to 3.2616 light years.

2.4.1.

THE KUIPER BELT is the area of the solar system extending from the orbit of Neptune where larger masses of icy bodies are capable of becoming comets.

2.4.2. QUASAR is an outstandingly powerful shining remote galaxy that looks like a star.

2.4.3.

DWARF STAR is an old compressed star that has run out of fuel in its central area and is gradually dying.

2.4.4.

ACCRETION DISC is a disc formed from the substance accumulated around a rotating star.

2.4.5.

LIGHT YEAR is the distance that a ray of light covers in one year and is equal 9 460 000 000 000 kilometres (9460 billion kilometres).

COMPLICATED SIGNS

2.5.1.  KU  HI  U  I

2.5.2.  SE  TO  TA  MI

FOREIGN WORDS

2.5.3.

AKAI - book 
NIWA - garden 
AKI - autumn 
MIRU - look 
OKURU - send 
KUBI - neck

2.5.4.

HITO - person 
UTAU - sing 
ITAI - hurts 
SEITO - pupil 
IKU - walk 
MISE - shop 
 

CONSTANT VALUES 
 

3.1.1. Elementary charge: e = 1.60 пїЅ 10 (-19) C (coulomb)

3.1.2. Mass of an electron: m (e) = 9.11 пїЅ 10 (-31) kg

3.1.3. Gas mole constant value: R = 8.31 J / K x mol

CODES AND PASSWORDS

3.1.4. 4 84 2 0 7848 477 0 3 22 194 7848 292 0 21758 12 987

3.1.5. Safe code - 555503005

FORMULAS

3.2.1. The formula for the area of an isosceles triangle:

S =

3.2.2. Area formulas for a random triangle:

S =

;

S =     ;

S =

S =

;

p =

S =

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

3.2.3.

What is the name of a long nerve cell branch? 
Axon.

3.2.4.

What is the membrane potential of a nerve cell? 
70 millivolts.

3.2.5. What is a nerve cell axon branching phenomenon?

DIVERGENCE

3.3.1.

What types of nerve cells are in eye retina? 
Amacrine, bipolar, ganglion, horizontal, conus and bacillus.

3.3.2.

What is the atomic mass, the number and the atom scheme of Al (Aluminium)? 
The number in the Mendeleyev table is 13, atomic mass equals 27, and the atom scheme is +13 --- 2-8-3 (number of electrons on the orbitals).

3.3.3.

What are the ordinal number and the atomic mass of silver (Ag)? 
47 and 107.868.

3.3.4.

What is the ordinal number, the atomic mass and the atomic construction of Chrome (Cr)? 
24; 52 (+24 --- 2-8-13-1).

FAMOUS PEOPLE'S LIFESPAN

3.3.5.

Chaplin (1889 - 1977) 
Galileo (1564 - 1642) 
Newton (1643 - 1727)

[menesus]

"Look, I've got experience with lots of different memory systems and I
can
safely say, even though I only managed to get lesson 15 that, GMS is
the
best and most flexible memory system out of all of the ones that I
have
tried. I don't care what you believe or don't believe as I'm not here
trying
to persuade any of you of anything. I was actually using DnB and a
member of
this mailing list before ever hearing of GMS, so to say this is a
marketing
campaign is moronic."

Since you are not marketing GMS, I'm sure you won't mind my
disagreement about it. GMS may be the best "memory palace system", but
that doesn't mean that these types of memory systems are the best way
to learn material. For one, the associative technique that GMS uses is
different from the associative technique described in the paper.

I've read through the GMS program, and when I was a freshman at
university I thought it would be extremely helpful to use it. However,
as I got in higher-level courses I discovered how to memorize things
differently using a method that helped enormously.

That technique?

Understanding the material. Once you understand an idea, especially
how each component is related to each other and to other similar
ideas, you can build a *conceptual* framework that lends itself to
quick access and *strong memories*.

For instance, consider memorizing an equation. There are several ways
that you can memorize it. GMS recommends assigning a symbol to each
variable, then memorizing how the symbols are linked (mind you, these
symbols have NOTHING to do with the formula), and then recalling it
when necessary.

But this is a waste of time--why not learn how to derive the formula?
Discover how each variable in the formula affects the others, why it's
there, whether it's a constant or whether it varies, etc. When you do
this, you understand WHY the formula is what it is, and how it can be
used and how it CAN'T be used.

These kinds of memories are extremely strong, and when you're stuck on
an exam or under pressure to use this equation, you won't be trying to
imagine random symbols of chairs, sculptures, toilets, hammers, and
other useless things, you'll be thinking about the formula itself.

Real associative learning of this type applies to ANYTHING, even facts
that are "just facts." You can think of birthdates in terms of other
things that were going on, who else was born around that time, etc.

Ken Jennings says that people on Jeopardy have a love of learning, and
do *not* use memory systems, except very rarely. I've tried GMS and it
works. But I'm telling you, you can save yourself a LOT of money and
improve your understanding of the material, if you DON'T bother with
it.

On Apr 14, 8:26 am, Karl Smith <defc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Look, I've got experience with lots of different memory systems and I can
> safely say, even though I only managed to get lesson 15 that, GMS is the
> best and most flexible memory system out of all of the ones that I have
> tried. I don't care what you believe or don't believe as I'm not here trying
> to persuade any of you of anything. I was actually using DnB and a member of
> this mailing list before ever hearing of GMS, so to say this is a marketing
> campaign is moronic.
>
> All the reasons people give for not trying GMS have nothing to do with the
> actual system or potential issues with it. They're all petty little
> assumptions:
>

>    - Very insular and insecure - constantly attacking other systems and

>    competitors (Dominic/Major/Buzan) -- That's because it is the best by FAR!

>    - significant downplay of 'emotional memory' -- haha "emotional memory"
>    WTF!
>    - costly, at least $350 for 60 lesson course -- It must have taken months

>    to put this together and it will literally change your life!

>    - emphasis on memorizing large amounts of non-numeric data -- So what!

>    Most data you will ever memorise wont be numerical!

>    - sketchy affiliate system that essentially pays for links on websites,

>    resulting in a large number of fake "rave reviews" on Google -- He wants to
>    make money, like we all do!

>    - support forum has a large number of high school / college students
>    NTTAWWT -- And!?!?
>    - LONG learning curve, instructors berate students for attempting to

>    actually use system in "real world" prior to completing lesson 24 (of 60) --
>    yes, it's extremely difficult, if you want a crappy easy system, use Buzans!

>    - seems to be re-inventing itself as the "best system to learn foreign

>    language quickly", due to non-numeric emphasis -- And what!?!?!
>
> As, with GSM, by lesson 23...
>

>    1. You will be able to remember the full information volume below.
>    2. You will be able to remember all the data in direct and reverse order.
>    3. You will be able to answer any question on any piece of information

>    contained in the table as well as call it by its ordinal number (without a
>    hint).
>

> *Scroll down to the bottom to see all the information you'll be able to
> memorize.*
>  *LESSON TIMETABLE*
>
> *1.1.1.* Monday - mathematics, history, drawing, physical exercises and
> literature
>
> *1.1.2.* Tuesday - English, geometry, history, mathematics and music
>  *HISTORICAL DATES*
>
> *1.1.3.* Year 1398 - Timur invaded India and occupied Deli
>
> *1.1.4.* Year 1703 - foundation of St. Petersburg
>
> *1.1.5.* Year 1787 - adoption of US constitution
>  *1.2.1.*

>  Year 1806 - Rein Union - Union of 36 Germanic states under the protectorate
> of Napoleon I
>

>  *DATES OF EVENT BEGINNING/END*
>
> *1.2.2.* 1377 - 1399 - Reign of Richard II in England
>
> *1.2.3.* 1650 - 1702 - Life span of English king William III of Orange
>
> *1.2.4.* 1762 - 1796 - Reign of Catherine II
>  *PRECISE DATES*
>
> *1.2.5.* 1396, 25 September - Battle of Nicopolis
>
> *1.3.1.* 1346, 26 August - Battle of Crecy
>
> *1.3.2.* 1389, 15 June - Battle of Kosovo
>
> *1.3.3.* 1492, 12 October - Columbus discovers America
>  *FACES, SURNAMES, NAMES AND MIDDLE NAMES*
>
> *1.3.4.* Distinctive feature "Earring". Louisa May Alcott
>
> *1.3.5.* Distinctive feature "Hair". Holly Marie Combs
>
> *1.4.1.* Distinctive feature "Beard". Brian Michael Cox
>
> *1.4.2.* Distinctive feature "Cap". George Washington Carver
>
> *1.4.3.* Distinctive feature "Shoulders". Nancy Jessica Parker
>
> *1.4.4.* Distinctive feature "Bangs". Pamela Sue Martin
>
> *1.4.5.* Distinctive feature "Tie". Steven Curtis Chapman
>
> *1.5.1.* Distinctive feature "Ear". Francis Ford Coppola
>  *PHONE NUMBERS*
>
> *1.5.2.* "Ward" cinema - 339-26-00
>
> *1.5.3.* "Ankar" cinema - 123-77-58
>
> *1.5.4.* "Paradise" cinema - 309-54-35
>
> *1.5.5.* "Beach" cinema - 677-90-83
>  *ADDRESSES*
>
> *2.1.1.* Dental clinic 56, Chromova Street, 9/2
>
> *2.1.2.* "Vasenar" company, lighter service and refilling, Warsaw highway,
> 78
>  *AUTOMOBILE NUMBERS*
>
> *2.1.3.* Richard Lee Bell, "l 232 pr"
>
> *2.1.4.* Random car. Distinctive feature - "Dice on the front window",
> number - "c612lw".
>  *BIRTHDAYS*
>
> *2.1.5.* SEPTEMBER: 15 - Kristine, 28 - Peter
>
> *2.2.1.* JULY: 11 - Tom, 17 - Jordan
>  *2.2.2.*

>  MARCH: 3 - Maria, 13 - Brandon Lee, 17 - Spears, 19 - "Crystal" (nickname),
> 21 - James Stone, 24 - Bruce
>

>  *ANECDOTES*
> *2.2.3.*

>  About a stingy Scotchman.
> Phone conversation with Australia.
> How to teach a sister to swim?
> Two dancing hippos.
> A secretary being late.
>

>  *2.2.4.*

>  ..first he created Heaven and Earth...
> ...I spill more...
> "Polite" chemist
> Angel in boots
> "Happy New Year" on 30 May
>

>  *GEOGRAPHICAL NAMES*
> *2.2.5.*

>  Rivers of South America: Amazon, Madeira, Atrato, Tocantins, Magdalena, Rio
> Negro, Parana, Uruguay, Orinoco, and Sao Francisco.
>

>  *TERMS AN THEIR INTERPRETATION*
> *2.3.1.*

>  ECLIPTIC is the apparent path of the Sun during a year as seen from Earth
> or a plane of Earth rotation around the Sun.
>

>  *2.3.2.*

>  CEPHEID is a type of pulsating star that regularly changes its brilliance
> in a matter of several days.
>

>  *2.3.3.* PULSAR is a neutron star that radiates a fast sequence of radio
> waves.
>  *2.3.4.*

>  PROTUBERANCE is a stream of hot gas, similar to a flame, coming out from
> the Sun's surface.
>

>  *2.3.5.* PARSEC is a unit of length used in astronomy; equal to 3.2616
> light years.
>  *2.4.1.*

>  THE KUIPER BELT is the area of the solar system extending from the orbit of
> Neptune where larger masses of icy bodies are capable of becoming comets.
>

>  *2.4.2.* QUASAR is an outstandingly powerful shining remote galaxy that
> looks like a star.
>  *2.4.3.*

>  DWARF STAR is an old compressed star that has run out of fuel in its
> central area and is gradually dying.
>

>  *2.4.4.*

>  ACCRETION DISC is a disc formed from the substance accumulated around a
> rotating star.
>

>  *2.4.5.*

>  LIGHT YEAR is the distance that a ray of light covers in one year and is
> equal 9 460 000 000 000 kilometres (9460 billion kilometres).
>

>  *COMPLICATED SIGNS*
>
> *2.5.1.* [image: KU] KU [image: HI] HI [image: U] U [image: I] I
>
> *2.5.2.* [image: SE] SE [image: TO] TO [image: TA] TA [image: MI] MI
>  *FOREIGN WORDS*
> *2.5.3.*

>  AKAI - book
> NIWA - garden
> AKI - autumn
> MIRU - look
> OKURU - send
> KUBI - neck
>

>  *2.5.4.*

>  HITO - person
> UTAU - sing
> ITAI - hurts
> SEITO - pupil
> IKU - walk
> MISE - shop
>

>  *CONSTANT VALUES*
>
> *3.1.1.* Elementary charge: e = 1.60 пїЅ 10 (-19) C (coulomb)
>
> *3.1.2.* Mass of an electron: m (e) = 9.11 пїЅ 10 (-31) kg
>
> *3.1.3.* Gas mole constant value: R = 8.31 J / K x mol
>  *CODES AND PASSWORDS*
>
> *3.1.4.* 4 84 2 0 7848 477 0 3 22 194 7848 292 0 21758 12 987
>
> *3.1.5.* Safe code - 555503005
>  *FORMULAS*
>
> *3.2.1.* The formula for the area of an isosceles triangle:
>
>   *S* = [image: FORMULAS]
>
>  *3.2.2.* Area formulas for a random triangle:
>
>   *S* = [image: FORMULAS]    ;     *S* = [image: FORMULAS]    ;
> *S* = [image:
> FORMULAS]
>
>   *S* = [image: FORMULAS]    ;     *p* = [image: FORMULAS]
>
>   *S* = [image: FORMULAS]
>
>  *QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS*
> *3.2.3.*

>  What is the name of a long nerve cell branch?
> Axon.
>

>  *3.2.4.*

>  What is the membrane potential of a nerve cell?
> 70 millivolts.
>

>  *3.2.5.* What is a nerve cell axon branching phenomenon?
>  *DIVERGENCE*
> *3.3.1.*

>  What types of nerve cells are in eye retina?
> Amacrine, bipolar, ganglion, horizontal, conus and bacillus.
>

>  *3.3.2.*

>  What is the atomic mass, the number and the atom scheme of Al (Aluminium)?
> The number in the Mendeleyev table is 13, atomic mass equals 27, and the
> atom scheme is +13 --- 2-8-3 (number of electrons on the orbitals).
>

>  *3.3.3.*

>  What are the ordinal number and the atomic mass of silver (Ag)?
> 47 and 107.868.
>

>  *3.3.4.*

>  What is the ordinal number, the atomic mass and the atomic construction of
> Chrome (Cr)?
> 24; 52 (+24 --- 2-8-13-1).
>

>  *FAMOUS PEOPLE'S LIFESPAN*
> *3.3.5.*

>  Chaplin (1889 - 1977)
> Galileo (1564 - 1642)
> Newton (1643 - 1727)
>

> >http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles57/Creative/Memory/dom_numbers...

> >http://www.minezone.org/wiki/MVance/DominicSystem
>
> > ""this is a most interesting site. The journey method video works for
> > 52
> > places--what software is this? would it be possible to create a room
> > like that with 100 objects to stick data on with this site or some
> > program???? ""
>
> > You could create your own world using game editors or playing the
> > Sims, but
>

> ...
>
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[Karl Smith]

So you've done all 64 lessons? I personally don't believe you. All this program trains you to do is to remember things how your brain naturally remembers things anyway - through associations and linking. Who cares about understanding, that's a completely different exercise which this program makes no claims on. Visualisation is one of the most valuable skills for understand and remembering things, and that's a fact. Tesla used to be able to visualise and construct highly complex machines in his head that he could manipulate and remember long-term. The GMS program, by lesson 64, will completely change the way your brain works and get you closer to being able to do that. You will be able to visualise anything in immense detail, quickly link it to another object and move through them like a filing cabinet. This is why I don't believe that you've done it as you seem to be getting confused about what this program is and what it's used for. I can guarantee you one thing, a GMS grad would kick your ass in a memory comp, with or without understanding the material and would be able to remember far more, alot more quickly, than the average Jeopardy contestant (unless they're Rainman).

I think being a GMS grad + extensive DnB training would create a ninja.

[Ian]

menesus, I completely agree with out concerning equations and many
other academic materials. I still remember Schrödinger's equation
three years after I took quantum mechanics because I understand how it
works, and believe me that wasn't so easy at first. But there are some
things where understanding just doesn't come into play. You can't
understand a list of 50 cities... there's no logic to it, it's just a
list of cities. You can't understand the names of the 50 states,
unless you happen to know hundreds of years of the history of US
expansionism, which is much more time consuming than a mnemonic device
to know those states. Of course, anyone of decent age should know the
50 states just because of experience, but you can see how a younger
child may find this useful for a geography class.

Mnemonics work well for some material, as some material isn't so
logical as mathematics, physics, chemistry and the like. A combination
of thorough understanding for material that is able to be comprehended
in a reasonable amount of time and use of mnemonics for material that
has no real logic behind it seems like a good approach to me.