I have been doing computerized BT since I was 12. My experience tells me it does not work.

[Tom]

You name it, I have done it.

I have tracked my progress for years, or the lack of it (with computerized programs).

It seems to me that people forget that grace comes from nature. At this moment, no computerized program will really make your smarter. Have you ever heard of someone who changed their life around by practicing computerized tasks? With proof to show for it? Have you ever heard of a major IQ increase backed by evidence? 

Everyone here is lying to themselves.

The last ones who said they have achieved multiple N-back levels or a "20 IQ point" increase never have any evidence to prove  it to us or anyone else; and if they do, why so dodgy???

It became very clear to me that there is a massive psyop against people who wish to increase their brain power and express better lives. Every study possesses the same failed methodology of application and testing. Do they really not think for a moment that a different approach may yield different results? Are they so incapable of thinking outside the box?

What truly invokes pity inside my fragile human mind is the fact that the sheep will consume that nonsense and decide that, no, they can't improve their lives or brain power.

The only brain exercises that ever worked for me were journaling, HIIT,  healthy habits including diet and sleep, improving mental syntax, vocabulary, reading, and studying double-digit hours per day and so on. Everything that ever made me truly smarter were techniques that activated natural actions steeming from willpower and physicality. Oh, so you want an example? The simple atitude of reviewing your every daily experiences every night before sleep will result in a monstruous betterment of your memory, and with time, one should achieve an exact copy of a HSABM.

The study of logic, particularly, has been defended and recommended by very intelligent individuals. Some are members of multiple high-IQ societies. One of them is a true modern-day genius. Only logic and critical thinking can increase your intelligence if the goal is to become a true genius. Logic is crucial to understanding the world and its phenomena Thought patterns must be changed. Brain patterns must be corrected.

For anyone courageous enough to still be reading at this point and bravely willing to defy their pre-defined assumptions, try the simple exercise of paying attention to every single little detail of every single little object and being that you see and hear, virtual or not. Make your brain almost unable to withhold information from your perception. And come back to tell me your results. They are sure to come.

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A fairly wise user attempted to enlight all of you years ago, but their motive was overshadowed by their own rudeness and lack of self awareness.

You  people need to rely more on insight and less on peer-reviewed studies by know-no-better scientists.

[Edgar Pusko]

GUYS IS THIS TRUE BY BRAINTRAINING DOES NOTHING?

[itrn...@gmail.com]

How about you provide a detailed report of what you have done over the years and what testing you have completed instead of just blatantly calling everyone here conceited.

[reda tise]

Bruh you are just wrong, it's cause you lacked a community of expert,  ofc most things that are said to increase iq don't actually,  you were just unfortunate to only have tried out the fraud ones. Do Dual n back to 9 back then proceed to Quad n back to 11 now come back and tell me your iq didn't increase. 

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[David Wood]

Can anyone do Quad N Back to 11?

[ble6]

Yes, this is the common response to all of the people that believe so-and-so brain training techniques do not result in any increase in working memory capacities/intelligence, etc.

Not much evidence to base it off of and also...
Please try Dual N Back seriously, I understand that it is difficult, but what is difficult improves you.

This also highlights the difficulty of maintaining a consistent and effective brain training routine that will inevitably reach a tipping point as regards to your internal motivations, fatigue and other factors.
I understand that many people will not be willing to put in the gargantuan efforts in order to achieve the magnitude of change that they are looking for.

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[ФІ-14 Богдан Мишинкин]

If you feel that it’s not helping you, then it probably isn’t. You should feel enjoyment from the focus and the process; if not, then something needs to change.

ср, 9 окт. 2024 г., 09:20 Tom <markose...@gmail.com>:

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[Mentat]

Tom, I wholeheartedly believe that you tried a ton of stuff that may not have lead to meaningful gains. If possible can you share your progress charts and programs with us so that younger/newer users don't make the same mistakes.

[Paul]

In my opinion, effective Brain Training must be part of a whole lifestyle that is neuroprotective and which facilitates formation of new neurons.So much disinformation floods the internet. Brain training can help separate fact from fiction.

Paul

[Tom]

Brain training definitely works. The problem is that people are putting their trust in the wrong kind of brain training. Think of it like this: you can go to the gym and exercise your muscles for real, or you can buy one of those electric-pumping trainers from some random Chinese online store. The first option will really give you results, while the second option...

For example, instead of playing solely N-back, practice image streaming, journaling, meditation, or juggling. Visualize a perfect apple on your mind. Learn to lucid dream or build a mind palace. People are just looking for the easy route: "Play this game for 20 minutes and increase your IQ by 10, 15, or 20 points." The most hilarious aspect of this situation is that the ultra-high IQ people I know never tell you to play some computer game; they tell you to LEARN linguistic logic, meditate, improve mental syntax, practice visualization, and so on. 

[Mentat]

I understand where you are coming from Tom but you're projecting a straw man onto this group. 

Nobody here believes N-back for even a 10s of practices will yield significant increase in G, if you'd read the previous threads people constantly stress doing N-back and other training consistently for hours per day for the course of months/years and working your way up to more difficult forms like quad-Nback. 

Also we are not gonna base our practices on what "ultra-high IQ" people have to say, we are going to base them off of evidence and a protocols shown in peer reviewed studies. Listening to high IQ people tell you how to become smart is like asking Victor Wembanyama how to make it to the NBA.

I look at things like N-back and RFT similar to deadlifting as its not going to get one particular muscle extremely large but will have a massive systemic effect on overall strength.

[Tom]

While I disagree with some of the logical fallacies in your argument, I generally agree with it. In fact, I can’t just ignore the fallacies; I am compelled to address them.

"Listening to high IQ people tell you how to become smart is like asking Victor Wembanyama how to make it to the NBA."

Response: That statement is flawed by itself, but don’t you agree that a competent basketball player likely has valuable insights on how to achieve success in the sport? Many great players transition into coaching.
However, when it comes to intelligence, the situation is different but similar at the base level. There are more factors at play, and the variables are more complex. That being said, we can still conclude that the higher a person's intelligence, the more likely they are to be better able to offer guidance on how to become smarter (or achieve other complex goals). Many geniuses do exactly this, and I know of a few who are highly educated, such as Hindemburg Melão Jr., Marilyn vos Savant, Chris Langan, and Jeffery Ford.

Additionally, many highly intelligent individuals write books on intellgence, thought patterns, logical reasoning, and neuroscience, and a few contribute greatly to this field. 
Would you rather listen to a 120 IQ, college-educated midwit researcher about how to become smarter, or a 200 IQ autodidact , who, ironically, is likely far more knowledgeable?

Let me share a little-known secret: many of the greatest scientific discoveries were not initially scientific. Why? Because creativity matters. And I’m not the only one pointing this out; others have made similar observations. As bureaucracy rises, innovation declines. I'll leave it at that.

Also, my previous point was not exactly a strawman. Many people still recommend N-back training as the primary method for brain development, and a lot of people here are members of other brain training groups that promote it. The only other method recommended as frequently as N-back is RFT. I’ve read hundreds of posts before ever commenting myself. So, despite the fallibility of human nature, you can rest assured that there’s less reason to worry about biased or blind argumentation.

[Val]

"peer-reviewed studies by know-no-better scientists"

Are you trying to argue that peer reviewed studies are invalid? All of them? Are you suggesting we rely only on our own insight and not science?

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I'm annoyed with Tom's font... situation

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[Val]

Echoing Mentat; I wouldn't ask someone who was naturally gifted for advice on how to go from average to gifted. They never did it.

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[Val]

"college-educated midwit researcher" Bro who hurt you. Did you get rejected from your dream school or something?

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[Tom]

My font is amazing. Get your own.

Val, answer me: What came first... insight or science?

[Arnav Latkar]

Insight came first. Fine. But there's plenty of cases where u have one guy who is really good at math and cant teach it. Obviously Terence Tao and others are exceptions, as he wrote a great book on Analysis. I will be trying RFT, along with image streaming, journaling, better sleep, etc etc. I will let you know how it goes. 

[Mentat]

I get where you are coming from Tom. If what these high IQ individuals have processes that we can quantify and test for valididty I am all for trying out whatever they say but until then I think we should stick to the scientific method and peer review.

[Tom]

I didn't quite grasp what you were trying to say.

Start small, kid.

[Arnav Latkar]

RFT/Syllogimous and image streaming, and journaling. Is that it? 

[Tom]

Far.

Contact me personally through the telegram group, so I can better help you.

[Arnav Latkar]

ok I will message you on telegram. 

Thanks 

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[Apoorv Mishra]

Give your Telegram ID

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[Tom]

Join the group and I will find you.

[Kody]

hey which group?