Is There anybody here who has Gotten really Far in N-backing Modes that aren't Dual or Single?

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Dooma...@hotmail.com

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Sep 9, 2020, 11:41:51 AM9/9/20
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I've been wondering, Have any of you guys gotten far in Modes like Combination, Quad, Multi-Stim? If you have gotten pretty far with it, has it affected Cognition in any way?

daniel-...@hotmail.com

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Sep 14, 2020, 7:58:49 AM9/14/20
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I have reached quad 8 back a few times, I think it is well worth the time I have put in

Leonardo

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Sep 15, 2020, 4:51:50 AM9/15/20
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That is insane. Quad 5 is my limit. 
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Leonardo

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Sep 15, 2020, 4:54:40 AM9/15/20
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What have you experienced from such training, Daniel?  

daniel skilbeck

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Sep 23, 2020, 9:10:43 AM9/23/20
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When I got to quad 7 and quad 8 I noticed a significant improvement in my ability to solve chess puzzles, and also (very anecdotally) I noticed what appears to be higher definition vision in everyday life, not better vision, but higher definition, like the difference between a normal movie and the same movie in high def, I put this down to increased working memory allowing greater processing of the visual field, which would also explain why my chess puzzle score has also noticeably improved, because I am literally seeing (processing) more information than i could before from the same visual input

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Luke

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Sep 28, 2020, 1:10:51 PM9/28/20
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Your anecdote of high definition vision seems consistent with many testimonials of people who have done neurofeedback. I regularly trained with neurofeedback for around three years and noticed that when I trained the left parietal region that my vision seemed to become higher definition. Two of my friends had similar experiences. Were the benefits that you received from training with quad-n-back permanent, partially permanent, or did they completely fade away when you stopped training?

Luis Anaya

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Sep 28, 2020, 3:05:45 PM9/28/20
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leonardo , have you seen any improvement in your working memory? I would love to know more, thank you very much

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daniel skilbeck

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Sep 28, 2020, 11:54:32 PM9/28/20
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The higher definition vision seems to fluctuate along with my training scores, i tend to range between quad 6 back and quad 8 back, with most of my time at quad 7, when i drop down to quad 6 back for a few days the high def vision goes away, but it comes back as soon as i'm back to quad 7+

I'm assuming that once i increase another level and range between 7-9 instead of 6-8 that the high def vision will remain even on my down days

With regards to time off, i find that it is similar to strength training at the gym, if i take a month off from the gym i will lose some strength, but i will gain it back within 1 month of being back. The same for my quad n back score, which is possibly even more resilient, i could probably take 2 months off quad n back training, and be back to my peak within a month of starting again

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fruitsnackattack

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Oct 1, 2020, 2:50:56 AM10/1/20
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Would you say your reflexes, instincts, and the speed at which you perform general task has increased? Or perhaps your ability to organize/plan your future actions in immediate future?

Leonardo

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Oct 2, 2020, 6:25:05 PM10/2/20
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Sometimes I think that, yes, my working memory have improved, but other times it not so obvious. I need to force myself to enter a mental state analogous to the one that emerges when I am playing the game to be able to function at a higher than regular level. I feel that it does not necessarily improve your functioning, and that it is more like learning a trick or a skill. It is possible for this skill to become second nature with enough training, I suppose; I have, surely, not reached that point yet.

With more than 50% interference, I am not able to go beyond quad-4-back. There is something in the increased interference that really makes you struggle. 

daniel skilbeck

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Oct 4, 2020, 3:39:35 PM10/4/20
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I would say my ability to plan future actions in the immediate future has improved, particularly in conversation, it feels like i have more time to decide/plan what i will say before i say it, even in a split second, but of course i could just be imagining this

I can't comment on reflexes/speed etc as i don't play any competitive sports, so i have no baseline to compare against

If anyone is interested, i'm going to use my twitter to post training updates: @DanielSkilbeck1


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Nick Story

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Oct 4, 2020, 6:08:36 PM10/4/20
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Hey guys, have you tapped into any other methods in combination with, or other than chess and QnB? Also, what do you guys think is the optimal amount of training per day/per week? Have you noticed any training dose limits/diminishing returns in terms of daily times, or training without breaks or after doing the same n-back regime for a certain amount of months? In other words, I'm looking for how you guys have optimized n-back for yourselves.

Is anyone taking any kind of peptide, drug or herb to speed up dual-n-back or quad-n-back training gains?

I've had little gains with DnB in the past. I saw an improvement in scores, but I chalked it up to training strategies in the past. On two occasions, I only trained for around 3 month intervals though. I'd say perhaps this may reflect one's baseline performance. While I have a moderate, but not huge IQ of roughly 125, I would be considered a very low performer by any working memory metric (in my case mostly labeled as ADD/ADHD inattentive). I was only putting in 20-30 minutes a day. I was using manual mode and would go between 4 and 5 DnB depending to give you an idea. Recently, I've started quad-n-back again.

I've been doing thorough research on cognitive and performance enhancement for at least a year now, sometimes as much as 14 hours a day. I have a detailed journal that taps into neuroscience and has been pulling evidence from many scientific articles and recent studies. There is an overwhelming amount of things I have looked into. Basically, it is very complex and the fields pertaining to cognitive enhancement seem very decentralized and originate with disorders and impaired patients. Also, many studies seemingly contradict each other because of unforeseen variables which makes sorting through the web of data time consuming. My curiosity has additionally led me to find the raw data from my genes and look up corresponding articles for polymorphisms. Surely enough I pinpointed the key differences on a molecular level between my genes and high performers for working memory and it has given me some new direction. (I recommend looking up your raw genes tio anyone who has the time/money/curiosity).

Other relative areas I have researched and experimented with are tDCS, tACS, supplements/herbs, meditation, exercise, other brain training exercises, temporal training and I am open to other methods.

I would love to further discuss or exchange knowledge/scientific sources/etc. on topics related to working memory and cognitive enhancement.
Does anyone with experience or interest in these subjects have Discord? I feel that using a medium such as Discord would be a quicker way to communicate between parties who are interested in doing so. It seems to be the go-to place for elite subsets of other online communities.




robert chalean

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Oct 4, 2020, 6:34:18 PM10/4/20
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Here a video of a new concept of quad-n-back training link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8fFDFGTRT0 
Thanks!


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Oct 7, 2020, 6:00:48 AM10/7/20
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If you know of/find any such discord thread, please add me/send me a link. I'd love to join.

Leonardo

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Oct 11, 2020, 7:26:46 AM10/11/20
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First time ever with a 50% success in quad-6-back! 

Leonardo

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Oct 11, 2020, 7:45:34 AM10/11/20
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To be fair, I increased the time to five seconds per trial, but I feel that speed is not as important; in real life, you will be able to spend five seconds to memorize something. 

fT3g0

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Sep 4, 2021, 6:58:08 PM9/4/21
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I have reached Quad-8-Back a few times, on good days. I started on Dual-2-Back like everyone else.

I haven't seen any transfer effects even with this kind of improvement (after around 11 months of training every day). This makes me think it won't happen later, either.
Therefore, I'll be taking a break or quit N-Back training altogether.
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