Funny story about someone who had a 189 IQ

[Pontus Granström]

IQ tests predict pretty well, but not with pinpoint accuracy, not
in isolation, and not 10 years down the road. And IQ tests sometimes
yield high scores for people who act dumb; no one denies
that. The Book of Lists #3 (Wallace, Wallechinsky, & Wallace,
1983, p. 409) tells us that a 29-year-old Florida woman named
Tina had an IQ of 189. She became obsessed that she was dying
from stomach cancer, the illness that had killed her mother, and
vowed to cleanse her body. Her method: eating no food for days
at a time, but drinking as much as four gallons of water a day. The
result: Tina actually drowned herself from the inside out, overwhelming
her kidneys and lungs with fluid. Not too bright for
a genius.

 The whole book here http://library.nu/docs/4GRQMYV1CJ/IQ%20Testing%20101%20%28Psych%20101%29

[ao]

A high I.Q. does not equal genius. And I.Q. does not preclude the
presence mental illness.

Not a funny story. She needed serious help.

argumzio

[whoisbambam]

i am surprised her brain did not swell via a process coined water
intoxication, wherein the gradient in the brain can not be maintained,
it swells in the noncompliant cranium, and mayhem ensues.

i wouldnt think that lungs and kidneys would go first unless there was
some other insult to them (lungs probly secondary to some sort of
heart failure, possibly secondary to pulmonary hypertension or some
valvular disorder or cardiomyopathy, etc)

more often than not, the symptoms are brain swelling and seizures
secondary to electrolyte imbalance on the latter.

On Jun 11, 3:53 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:

[moe]

Geniuses and people of extremely high intelligence are known to
exhibit quirky behavior, I guess it's just a result of seeing things
differently. This kinda reminds me of Rick Rosner. He has an IQ
above 190 and he kept going back to high school up until 26 yrs of
age!!! LOL

[ao]

Yeah, now we'll wonder which it is (his IEQ or his expertise in the
high school) that led to his six figure salary as a TV producer...

"LOL" indeed.

argumzio

[milestones]

On Jun 12, 5:53 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not too bright for
> a genius.

189 can be none other than a ratio, childhood IQ, because I'm not sure
of an adult test that measures that high other than Mega/Titan
(Rosner's 190 IQ Moe mentioned is derived from the non proctored, no
time limit Titan test). The Unabomber's IQ according to Time Magazine
was 170 (Stanford Binet) but what was not publicized was his 136 WAIS-
R IQ adult score taken after his arrest -- still extremely high but it
doesn't get the tongues of the masses wagging like the 170. So, best
to be careful with extremely high childhood numbers. This comment is
unrelated to the woman in question (or anyone with extremely high
scores but who appears 'off'). Good IQ tests are much better measures
of the G than they are some vague and subjective definition of
"intelligence." People have their own ideas about what intelligence
is. IQ test performance may or may not fit into that -- but this is
not a knock against the utility of the tests themselves which have
proven valuable overall. ao's comments re mental illness apply. IQ
tests are not meant to be mental illness tests. The Unabomber's
schizophrenia/99%ile WAIS score is a case in point. There are also
many other such examples of people with extremely high IQ who exhibit
deviant behaviour such that the woman described in this book is not
really all that anomolous if you look at enough cases of high IQ
people with mental illness (i.e. people exhibiting obssessive and/or
paranoid behavior like this woman).

[Pontus Granström]

I agree Ao, it's not really funny. Obviously a bit tragic.

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[Nick]

Is there any high iq publication available to the public that you are aware of (on the web)?
I just read this http://www.megasociety.org/noesis/57.htm and it's very interesting, I want to read more.
I want to know these people and their ideas better. it's really amazing to read geniuses. I can't believe those journals are not more popular.

Milestone, Pontus, Ao do you read high iq society journals? it must be worth reading, no?

[Mike]

Is there any high iq publication available to the public that you are aware of (on the web)?
I just read this http://www.megasociety.org/noesis/57.htm and it's very interesting, I want to read more.
I want to know these people and their ideas better. it's really amazing to read geniuses. I can't believe those journals are not more popular.

Milestone, Pontus, Ao, do you read high iq society journals? it must be worth reading, no?

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Pontus Granström <lepo...@gmail.com> wrote:

[ao]

Again, they're not geniuses because of their I.Q., but yes, I've read
all of Noesis (that is available online). I'm also a member of several
societies, some of which publish journals or magazines.

And when I say they're not geniuses, I include myself in that, because
a high score on any number of tests would not be sufficient
qualification for that title.

argumzio

On Jun 13, 2:24 am, Mike <mikebk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there any high iq publication available to the public that you are aware
> of (on the web)?

> I just read thishttp://www.megasociety.org/noesis/57.htmand it's very

> interesting, I want to read more.
> I want to know these people and their ideas better. it's really amazing to
> read geniuses. I can't believe those journals are not more popular.
>
> Milestone, Pontus, Ao, do you read high iq society journals? it must be
> worth reading, no?
>

> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > I agree Ao, it's not really funny. Obviously a bit tragic.
>

[ao]

Yes, this is true, namely, the score of 189 is more than likely a
ratio, or childhood, I.Q.

That being the case, we need to provide a rough conversion to adult
(deviation) I.Q.

Let's assume 1) the increase in I.Q. levels off - attains its adult
level - at around 16 years old and 2) that she scored 189 at 10 years
old.

Mental age: 1.89 * 10 = 18.9
Convert to ratio score of 16-year-old: 18.9/16*100 = 1.18125*100 = 118

So she had a functional adult I.Q. of 118 at age 10. Not terribly
impressive. Okay, so let's say she did this at age 6.

Mental age: 1.89 * 6 = 11.34
Convert to ratio score of 16-year-old:11.34/16*100 = .70875 * 100 = 71

So she had a functional adult I.Q. of 71 at age 6. Even less
impressive than the above. But that's more than likely a great deal
higher than her peers.

Short story: we'd have to know the age at which she made this score in
order to understand where it "really" lies on a deviation I.Q. scale.

argumzio

[Pontus Granström]

IQ does not reach it's adult level at the age of 16, it's around ~21 that it peaks.

[ao]

That's _your_ assumption.

If we want to get into when it *really* peaks (both Gf and Gc
together), 25 years is generally accepted as the actual value.

argumzio

[ao]

However, one last note, by the age of 16, I.Q. scores have a
reliability approaching .8 for final adult-level full-scale I.Q.
scores, making it the effective peak.

Speaking generally...

argumzio

[Pontus Granström]

Naturally people develop a bit differently, but that it peaks around the age of 25 wouldn't be that hard to believe.

[whoisbambam]

i have heard the same age, +-3yrs

forget where tho.......

On Jun 13, 12:43 pm, ao <argum...@gmail.com> wrote: