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Pontus Granström
Nov 12, 2010, 10:44:14 AM11/12/10
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Great! Nice to hear that you have gained so much IQ. What were the
tests by the way?
tests by the way?
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM, lachla...@connect.qut.edu.au
<lachla...@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:
> Hey guys I've been using brain workshop ( Dual N back) for about 2
> months now and would like to report an increase in IQ from 124 to 132
> ( on professionally administered IQ tests that were supervised) The IQ
> tests were separated by a period of about a year aswell.
>
> The most significant real word application for me has been
> improvements in my piano playing. I am a pianist and can report
> significant improvements in my sight reading and the rate at which I
> learn new pieces.
>
> I also wanted to say that I think brain workshop is a great program,
> and that I commend all of you for your committment to improving your
> mind and cognitive abilities!!
>
>
> I know this has been discussed in previous threads but how do you feel
> about Quad N back? Has anyone noticed or can you report improvements
> in fluid intelligence?
>
> Do you think that my music and sight reading in particular would be
> benefited by Quad N back more than say Dual N back? Or is there
> another modality that would be more beneficial???
>
> Thankyou for your time in answering my questions!
>
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Reece
Nov 12, 2010, 12:54:43 PM11/12/10
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Congrats on the improvement!
I don't know anything about playing music, however I can imagine that
it is quite the multitasking-intensive activity which would most
likely benefit from QNB training (not saying that it wouldn't of
course benefit from DNB as well).
Have you been playing with the auditory stimuli set to "piano notes" ?
If not, that might be something worth considering. I honestly don't
know which would be better for you given your musical ability-specific
training goals. It's probably safe to say that with dual n-back you
will be able to play at a higher N-back level and thus train your
ability to remember musical sequences (eg. improved sight-reading due
to higher working memory ability). With QNB, my guess would be that
your sight-reading ability would also improve, however in this case,
it would probably be due to improved attentional control and not
largely due to improvements in working memory capacity (which would
likely be nonexistent or negligible when training with QNB due to the
low N-back level most people will end up playing at in this mode). I'm
not sure whether you feel you can more easily improve attention or
memory -- it's certainly individual-specific (eg. eidetic savants
would probably be better off spending their time trying to improve
something other than their memory).
I can confirm that my experience using Lumosity (a website with brain
training games) has been that QNB improved performance most on games
demanding focused attention, whereas DNB improved performance most on
games requiring facts be remembered for relatively long periods of
time (eg. "Familiar Faces", a game which simulates being a waiter and
being required to remember the names and meal orders from diners).
There's no reason you couldn't try QNB for a couple weeks and see if
you can objectively measure which is providing you with more benefits
(eg. able to remember more piano notes correctly from an unfamiliar
with a glance). Like I said, I haven't the least clue about music
(would love to learn to play the piano someday though!), however I am
quite confident with your expertise in this area that you should be
able to devise some sort of objective way to measure gains.
And if they both seem equally effective (eg. the difference isn't
perceptible), there's no reason you couldn't split your training time
between the two to try and get the benefits of both training regimes.
On Nov 12, 10:44 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great! Nice to hear that you have gained so much IQ. What were the
> tests by the way?
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM, lachlan.jo...@connect.qut.edu.au
I don't know anything about playing music, however I can imagine that
it is quite the multitasking-intensive activity which would most
likely benefit from QNB training (not saying that it wouldn't of
course benefit from DNB as well).
Have you been playing with the auditory stimuli set to "piano notes" ?
If not, that might be something worth considering. I honestly don't
know which would be better for you given your musical ability-specific
training goals. It's probably safe to say that with dual n-back you
will be able to play at a higher N-back level and thus train your
ability to remember musical sequences (eg. improved sight-reading due
to higher working memory ability). With QNB, my guess would be that
your sight-reading ability would also improve, however in this case,
it would probably be due to improved attentional control and not
largely due to improvements in working memory capacity (which would
likely be nonexistent or negligible when training with QNB due to the
low N-back level most people will end up playing at in this mode). I'm
not sure whether you feel you can more easily improve attention or
memory -- it's certainly individual-specific (eg. eidetic savants
would probably be better off spending their time trying to improve
something other than their memory).
I can confirm that my experience using Lumosity (a website with brain
training games) has been that QNB improved performance most on games
demanding focused attention, whereas DNB improved performance most on
games requiring facts be remembered for relatively long periods of
time (eg. "Familiar Faces", a game which simulates being a waiter and
being required to remember the names and meal orders from diners).
There's no reason you couldn't try QNB for a couple weeks and see if
you can objectively measure which is providing you with more benefits
(eg. able to remember more piano notes correctly from an unfamiliar
with a glance). Like I said, I haven't the least clue about music
(would love to learn to play the piano someday though!), however I am
quite confident with your expertise in this area that you should be
able to devise some sort of objective way to measure gains.
And if they both seem equally effective (eg. the difference isn't
perceptible), there's no reason you couldn't split your training time
between the two to try and get the benefits of both training regimes.
On Nov 12, 10:44 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great! Nice to hear that you have gained so much IQ. What were the
> tests by the way?
>
Gwern Branwen
Nov 12, 2010, 2:42:20 PM11/12/10
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On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:42 AM, lachla...@connect.qut.edu.au
<lachla...@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:
> Hey guys I've been using brain workshop ( Dual N back) for about 2
> months now and would like to report an increase in IQ from 124 to 132
> ( on professionally administered IQ tests that were supervised) The IQ
> tests were separated by a period of about a year aswell.
<lachla...@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:
> Hey guys I've been using brain workshop ( Dual N back) for about 2
> months now and would like to report an increase in IQ from 124 to 132
> ( on professionally administered IQ tests that were supervised) The IQ
> tests were separated by a period of about a year aswell.
Neat. It's been entirely too long since the last before/after IQ
report; I've added you to the usual places,
http://www.gwern.net/N-back%20FAQ.html#improvement and
http://www.gwern.net/N-back%20FAQ.html#benefits
I too would like to know the specific tests.
> The most significant real word application for me has been
> improvements in my piano playing. I am a pianist and can report
> significant improvements in my sight reading and the rate at which I
> learn new pieces.
So if I understand the Wikipedia article, sight reading is only when
you don't know the piece already. (My understanding was that
professional musicians usually memorized their performance pieces; at
least, all the kids at Julliard when I visited their recital-tests had
their pieces memorized.)
In other words, you only notice improvements in how you learn or deal
with *new* material? No improvements in your existing repertoire or no
improvements in the ultimate peak of polished performance?
--
gwern
http://www.gwern.net
lachla...@connect.qut.edu.au
Nov 12, 2010, 9:04:19 PM11/12/10
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Hi Gwern,
The first IQ test I'm not sure what it was called ( I'm
not sure how the replying works I did give Pontus a more detailed
explanation of the circumstances in which I took the tests hopefully
you can access my comments. The second was the Cattell or a version of
the Catell.
Sight reading is pretty much trying to play a piece of music ' on the
spot' that you have never seen before. Most musicians learn music
systematically; that is they learn segments of it or bits of it and
over time you piece it all together into something coherent and
hopefully pleasant and entertaining. Trying to play the " whole" piece
of music on the spot can be quite difficult for some especially
complex pieces. I am one of those pianists that can hear something and
pretty much play it back and I learn systematically- so I take a piece
meal approach and learn things bit by bit. Although I have a good
musical ear and am quite technically advanced in my playing I have
struggled with sight reading and I feel that the Dual N back has
really helped me in this area. I'm quite fortunate that no-one has put
me on the spot and forced me to play an unfamiliar piece of music
because there is nothing more embarassing tha claiming to be a
virtuoso pianists and not being able to read music at sight.
Sight reading now feels more ' fluid' and natural, previously it felt
segmented and discontinous. It's like driving a car with a worm out
gear box and you desparetely try to shift from second gear to third
but the gears grind away and you recoil in horror from the ear
spliting sound. Because everything seems so more fluid and easy I seem
to learn pieces at a faster rate. For example I'd previoulsy spend a
3-4 weeks learning and practicing an advanced piece of music but now I
can knock over pieces at the same difficulty within a week as opposed
to a month.
I have only noticed improvements in my sight reading. I am also a
composer ( very amateur) and haven't really noticed being anymore
creative than usual except that I can sustain attention for a little
longer. Maybe I have a little more persistance and perspacity??
In regards to piano techique and existing repetoire i'm not aware of
any changes. I don't think that I have improved in terms of technical
ability. A lot of great pianists are also endowed with incredible
nervous systems and reflexes in addition to having an intrinsic
propensity for music. The structure of fingers, ligaments, tendons and
muscles also has a significant impact on the piano player and piano
technique really improves when one actively pursues improving muscle
control and hand movements and finger flexibility. Rachmaninov one of
the greatest pianists of his days ostensibly had Marfan's syndrome ( a
disease of the connective tissue) and subsequently could stretch his
hands further than a lot of his contemporaries contributing
significantly to his formidable piano technique and giving him a huge
advantage.
Thats pretty much the extent of the gains I've had so far. I'm quite
a skeptical person and try not to fall victum to the grandiose and
exaggerated claims of self help or self improvement offers and other
stratagems designed to penetrate your bank account. I genuinely do
believe that the Dual N back has improved my ability to sight read
complex material which I believe is a task that requires reasonably
high levels of fluid intelligence and well functioning working memory.
I've been playing the piano for a long time and thought that I hit my
ceiling of what I was capable of. It's quite empowering to have these
kind of improvements after such a long period of stagnation.....not
stagnation as in the I wasn't getting anywhere. But now being able to
learn faster with less effort is great.
Thank you all again for your advice and recommendations.
lachla...@connect.qut.edu.au
Nov 12, 2010, 9:04:32 PM11/12/10
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Hi Reece,
Thankyou for taking the time to write back. I really
appreciate the effort and detail in your response. I didn't even know
brain workshop offered piano notes hahah so I will definately
experiment using this feature. Your experiences with lumosity is very
interesting as you have found improved attention and focus with Quad N
back, while Dual N back has increased your 'depth' and ability to
retain information. I think for me I need a combination of both.
Attention for maintaining focus on the acutal music and the ' fluid'
ability to transform what I see into what I play
I will definately be allocating some Quad N back into my training
regime!! Hopefully I will notice improved concentration and
sustainable focus. Thanks again Reece! This has been very helpful!!
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milestones
Nov 12, 2010, 10:08:36 PM11/12/10
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On Nov 13, 11:04 am, "lachlan.jo...@connect.qut.edu.au"
While I'm sure you probably did improve your IQ through training, it's
very hard to know if improvements were actually made if you took two
different IQ tests as pre and post. Also, be sure to find out the
standard deviations of the tests used. The Cattell usually uses an SD
of 24 while most other tests use an SD of 15 (Wechsler) or 16
(Stanford Binet). If the 132 result is on an SD of 24 then there would
be no improvement -- actually a slight decrease of a few points. Off
the top of my head a 132 on an SD 24 scale is equivalent to about a
120 on the SD 15 scale.
On the whole, though, I find improvements seen on different tests as
somewhat meaningless since it is possible to get very different
results even without brain training -- whether these are online or
supervised. I take more seriously the gains seen on the same test.
Still, the perceived benefits you received sound convincing, so
there's something of value to report either way.
<lachlan.jo...@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:
> Hi Gwern,
> The first IQ test I'm not sure what it was called ( I'm
> not sure how the replying works I did give Pontus a more detailed
> explanation of the circumstances in which I took the tests hopefully
> you can access my comments. The second was the Cattell or a version of
> the Catell.
Congratualtions on the real world gains.
> Hi Gwern,
> The first IQ test I'm not sure what it was called ( I'm
> not sure how the replying works I did give Pontus a more detailed
> explanation of the circumstances in which I took the tests hopefully
> you can access my comments. The second was the Cattell or a version of
> the Catell.
While I'm sure you probably did improve your IQ through training, it's
very hard to know if improvements were actually made if you took two
different IQ tests as pre and post. Also, be sure to find out the
standard deviations of the tests used. The Cattell usually uses an SD
of 24 while most other tests use an SD of 15 (Wechsler) or 16
(Stanford Binet). If the 132 result is on an SD of 24 then there would
be no improvement -- actually a slight decrease of a few points. Off
the top of my head a 132 on an SD 24 scale is equivalent to about a
120 on the SD 15 scale.
On the whole, though, I find improvements seen on different tests as
somewhat meaningless since it is possible to get very different
results even without brain training -- whether these are online or
supervised. I take more seriously the gains seen on the same test.
Still, the perceived benefits you received sound convincing, so
there's something of value to report either way.
Samples
Nov 12, 2010, 10:24:36 PM11/12/10
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Hi Lachlan,
Congratulations on the result-s.
What kind of testing items are found on the Cattel test (e.g.
Matrices, mental rotations, similarities, OOO etc)??
Thx.
Sameil Pleirz
Congratulations on the result-s.
What kind of testing items are found on the Cattel test (e.g.
Matrices, mental rotations, similarities, OOO etc)??
Thx.
Sameil Pleirz
αrgvmziΩ - σ>V
Nov 13, 2010, 2:02:55 AM11/13/10
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To corroborate,with 24 sd and mean of 100, a Cattell score of 132 is
equivalent to a 120 score on a Wechsler scale, that is, 1.3 sigma.
In any case it is imperative to know exactly the norms for the
particular tests you have taken, even granted that they are different.
If the scores are comparable in terms of a higher g-load on the second
test result, then I would say that the gains are significant. In other
words, we need more hard facts.
argumzio
equivalent to a 120 score on a Wechsler scale, that is, 1.3 sigma.
In any case it is imperative to know exactly the norms for the
particular tests you have taken, even granted that they are different.
If the scores are comparable in terms of a higher g-load on the second
test result, then I would say that the gains are significant. In other
words, we need more hard facts.
argumzio
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Pontus Granström
Nov 13, 2010, 6:08:23 AM11/13/10
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If you want to take a really g-loaded test play space fortress for a
week ;) By that test the world champion at twingalaxies.com it the
smartest person in the world. Just kidding (and in some sense not),
but
the thing is that the concept of "g" in today's world seems quite
paradoxical. First of all there seems to be quite a misunderstanding
around the concept of 'g'. G is not a measure of your analytical
capabilities, rather
a measure of how well a test differentiate among test takers and
predict other scores. That is are you above average you should have a
score above average and so on (True level->test level). Speed RAPM is
highly g-loaded since it puts people in the right place, people who
are above average score above average and so on, the correlation
doesn't drop. The g-load is usually calculated by the correlation to
other tests. Space fortress is usually a lot better predictor of
IQ-test performance than other IQ-tests and got a 0.68 g-load.
week ;) By that test the world champion at twingalaxies.com it the
smartest person in the world. Just kidding (and in some sense not),
but
the thing is that the concept of "g" in today's world seems quite
paradoxical. First of all there seems to be quite a misunderstanding
around the concept of 'g'. G is not a measure of your analytical
capabilities, rather
a measure of how well a test differentiate among test takers and
predict other scores. That is are you above average you should have a
score above average and so on (True level->test level). Speed RAPM is
highly g-loaded since it puts people in the right place, people who
are above average score above average and so on, the correlation
doesn't drop. The g-load is usually calculated by the correlation to
other tests. Space fortress is usually a lot better predictor of
IQ-test performance than other IQ-tests and got a 0.68 g-load.
Now for the paradox. Many people here doubt that intelligence (RAPM
Score) where as memory can be improved. The thing is that matrix
reasoning has improved 3 points for every year, and even though it's
g-loaded it doesn't take other g-loaded tests with it. Digit span and
arithmetic have been stalled for the last 50 years or so. It even
seems so strange that people object to the idea of improving matrix
scores even though if you were to pick one test that has showned the
greatest improvements it's RAPM/matrix reasoning. If you were to pick
a test that seems to be immune it's digit span and arithmetic. It's
quite paradoxical. If improvements in RAPM doesn't seem to transfer to
other tests why do we have the demand
on n-backing to transfer to all other tasks? However n-backing seem to
transfer to tests that the flynn effect never does.
2010/11/13 likeprestige <plast...@live.com.au>:
> Thanks argumzio.
Thomasthetankengine
Nov 13, 2010, 7:14:15 AM11/13/10
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Where can I download space fortress? Sorry if this has already been
discussed.
> 2010/11/13 likeprestige <plastic...@live.com.au>:
>
> > Thanks argumzio.
discussed.
>
> > Thanks argumzio.
Pontus Granström
Nov 13, 2010, 7:21:46 AM11/13/10
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I suggest you get MAME and download the rom star castle.
Thomasthetankengine
Nov 13, 2010, 7:27:00 AM11/13/10
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??
On Nov 13, 11:21 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suggest you get MAME and download the rom star castle.
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>
On Nov 13, 11:21 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suggest you get MAME and download the rom star castle.
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>
Pontus Granström
Nov 13, 2010, 7:29:16 AM11/13/10
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Thomasthetankengine
Nov 13, 2010, 7:43:11 AM11/13/10
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There are a lot of versions of mame. Which one do I download? Sorry.
On Nov 13, 11:29 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.romnation.net/srv/roms/25392/mame/Star-Castle-version-3.htmlhttp://mamedev.org/
On Nov 13, 11:29 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.romnation.net/srv/roms/25392/mame/Star-Castle-version-3.htmlhttp://mamedev.org/
>
> Here's the stuff.
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>
> Here's the stuff.
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>
Pontus Granström
Nov 13, 2010, 7:47:02 AM11/13/10
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Windows version self extracting?
Thomasthetankengine
Nov 13, 2010, 8:44:36 AM11/13/10
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Ok, both downloaded. Now how do I play spacecraft? It still doesn't
load.
On Nov 13, 11:47 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Windows version self extracting?
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>
load.
On Nov 13, 11:47 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Windows version self extracting?
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>
> <thomasttt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > There are a lot of versions of mame. Which one do I download? Sorry.
>
> > On Nov 13, 11:29 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.romnation.net/srv/roms/25392/mame/Star-Castle-version-3.ht...
> > There are a lot of versions of mame. Which one do I download? Sorry.
>
> > On Nov 13, 11:29 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pontus Granström
Nov 13, 2010, 8:53:02 AM11/13/10
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You have to put the rom in the roms directory and load the game from
the gui if you got one.
the gui if you got one.
Thomasthetankengine
Nov 13, 2010, 8:57:41 AM11/13/10
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gui? How do i load it from there? Sorry again.
On Nov 14, 12:53 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to put the rom in the roms directory and load the game from
> the gui if you got one.
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>
On Nov 14, 12:53 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to put the rom in the roms directory and load the game from
> the gui if you got one.
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>
Pontus Granström
Nov 13, 2010, 8:58:24 AM11/13/10
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Don't you got a games/roms menu? Do you got a gui?
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Pontus Granström
Nov 13, 2010, 9:08:59 AM11/13/10
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Use this one, unpack it, put star castle in roms directory, run it
from the left menu which shows all games.
http://www.romnation.net/srv/emulators/5/mame/MAME32-v0-90-for-Windows.html
from the left menu which shows all games.
http://www.romnation.net/srv/emulators/5/mame/MAME32-v0-90-for-Windows.html
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Thomasthetankengine
<thomas...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> you mean roms in mame? yeah, I put romcmp in the roms folder where the
> roms directory is. By gui, do you mean graphical user interface, like
> with python or something?
>
> On Nov 14, 12:58 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Don't you got a games/roms menu? Do you got a gui?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>>
Samples
Nov 13, 2010, 9:34:56 AM11/13/10
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Everything's good now! Except one thing... What are the controls for
star castle? I don't even know how to start a game let a lone work out
how to use the firing etc. Sorry, I guess this is the last step.
Thanks for ur help.
On Nov 14, 1:08 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Use this one, unpack it, put star castle in roms directory, run it
> from the left menu which shows all games.http://www.romnation.net/srv/emulators/5/mame/MAME32-v0-90-for-Window...
> ...
>
> read more »
star castle? I don't even know how to start a game let a lone work out
how to use the firing etc. Sorry, I guess this is the last step.
Thanks for ur help.
On Nov 14, 1:08 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Use this one, unpack it, put star castle in roms directory, run it
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Thomasthetankengine
>
>
> read more »
Pontus Granström
Nov 13, 2010, 9:37:18 AM11/13/10
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Press 5 to insert coins and press 1 to start the game, control with
the arrows and shoot and fire up the enginge with ctrl and alt you can
also configure the keys by pressing tab.
the arrows and shoot and fire up the enginge with ctrl and alt you can
also configure the keys by pressing tab.
Samples
Nov 13, 2010, 9:51:27 AM11/13/10
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Sweet game! I'm kinda shocking though... Got to level 2, that's it.
On Nov 14, 1:37 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Press 5 to insert coins and press 1 to start the game, control with
> the arrows and shoot and fire up the enginge with ctrl and alt you can
> also configure the keys by pressing tab.
>
> ...
>
> read more »
On Nov 14, 1:37 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Press 5 to insert coins and press 1 to start the game, control with
> the arrows and shoot and fire up the enginge with ctrl and alt you can
> also configure the keys by pressing tab.
>
>
> read more »
Samples
Nov 13, 2010, 9:51:43 AM11/13/10
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Thanks again Pontus!!!
On Nov 14, 1:37 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Press 5 to insert coins and press 1 to start the game, control with
> the arrows and shoot and fire up the enginge with ctrl and alt you can
> also configure the keys by pressing tab.
>
> ...
>
> read more »
On Nov 14, 1:37 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Press 5 to insert coins and press 1 to start the game, control with
> the arrows and shoot and fire up the enginge with ctrl and alt you can
> also configure the keys by pressing tab.
>
>
> read more »
Pontus Granström
Nov 13, 2010, 10:30:43 AM11/13/10
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Similar to n.back your are supposed to play 25 games for 5 days. Your
average score should correlate with your full scale IQ.
average score should correlate with your full scale IQ.
Gwern Branwen
Nov 13, 2010, 3:16:52 PM11/13/10
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On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:36 PM, lachla...@connect.qut.edu.au
<lachla...@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
> Pontus,
>
> The first IQ test I have no idea what it was called. I was referred to
> a psychologist because I was having a lot of emotional difficulties
> after breaking up with my girlfriend and the death of a family member
> and consequently failed an academic semester at uni ( all four
> subjects aswell hahahah). I was doing pretty good at uni before all
> this had happened. My IQ measured by the psychologist was 124.
<lachla...@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
> Pontus,
>
> The first IQ test I have no idea what it was called. I was referred to
> a psychologist because I was having a lot of emotional difficulties
> after breaking up with my girlfriend and the death of a family member
> and consequently failed an academic semester at uni ( all four
> subjects aswell hahahah). I was doing pretty good at uni before all
> this had happened. My IQ measured by the psychologist was 124.
It shouldn't be too hard to find out. Didn't you get a copy of the
scoring or something? Or could check your health record or just call
the psychologist and ask? As has been pointed out, it really is
important to know, otherwise it's an apples and oranges sort of thing.
--
gwern
http://www.gwern.net
Samples
Nov 13, 2010, 8:25:55 PM11/13/10
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Hi Pontus,
This is the best game I have ever played!
Other than that...
I thought memory would have been part of the measure of someones, no?
In terms of 25 games for 5 days. Does 25 games = 25 lives? Because as
I guess you know the default setting for -amount of lives per game-
---> = 3.
So??
Anyway, made it to level 5 today. Score was over 9500. After day one,
any idea what IQ level is equivalent to level 5 if say after the 5 day
period?
How are you going on it anyway?
Thanks Pontus.
Sameil Pleirz
P.S - This is the best game I have ever played!
On Nov 14, 2:30 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Similar to n.back your are supposed to play 25 games for 5 days. Your
> average score should correlate with your full scale IQ.
>
> ...
>
> read more »
This is the best game I have ever played!
Other than that...
I thought memory would have been part of the measure of someones, no?
In terms of 25 games for 5 days. Does 25 games = 25 lives? Because as
I guess you know the default setting for -amount of lives per game-
---> = 3.
So??
Anyway, made it to level 5 today. Score was over 9500. After day one,
any idea what IQ level is equivalent to level 5 if say after the 5 day
period?
How are you going on it anyway?
Thanks Pontus.
Sameil Pleirz
P.S - This is the best game I have ever played!
On Nov 14, 2:30 am, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Similar to n.back your are supposed to play 25 games for 5 days. Your
> average score should correlate with your full scale IQ.
>
>
> read more »
Samples
Nov 13, 2010, 8:27:51 PM11/13/10
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Space Fortress
***I thought memory would have been part of the measure of someones ---
IQ----, no?***
Sorry for the double post...
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>
> read more »
***I thought memory would have been part of the measure of someones ---
IQ----, no?***
Sorry for the double post...
>
> read more »
Pontus Granström
Nov 14, 2010, 10:03:14 AM11/14/10
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You can take a look in the files section there's a lot on space fortress.
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