Lithium Orotate, Brain Damage, And Depression
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hiphopo...@yahoo.com
Jun 5, 2012, 4:31:38 AM6/5/12
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I have recently started taking lithium again. I took 1200 mgs of
lithium carbonate a day for seven years for manic depression. it
didn't seem to help at all with my depression back then. Ever since i
found out that this disease is a distal renal tubule (a part of the
kidney) disease and started vitamin and mineral supplementation, i
began healing. after a month or so of being on the new treatment, i
stopped taking lithium carbonate. i didn't like the side effects like
weight gain and fatigue from taking near toxic doses of lithium
carbonate, in retrospect, this was an extremely stupid thing to do
because i believe i could've fixed the damage done to the brain if i
would've stayed on it for a month or two longer. I believe the lithium
wasn't able to repair my brain as much as it could've been able to
because my whole system was severely out of whack due to vitamin and
mineral leakage. I have evidence to back up this theory. I was taking
lions mane mushroom powder for at least eight months before i started
the therapy and i didn't notice any benefits. its supposed to take at
least 6 months before you notice benefits (i've heard that is how long
it takes nerves to regenerate). I decided to keep taking the lions
mane after i got on the treatment and six months later, i felt a sharp
pain in my head and my big toe. I still experience these nerve pains
in the sole of my feet, my fingertips, toes, and every great once in a
while in my head. i hope they are a sign that my nerves are healing.
So anyway, now i found out about lithium orotate and i've been taking
it for 8 days now. I've read about the paralimbic region of the brain
(one of the main areas effected by bipolar) that lithium is supposed
to rebuild. all of my complaints with my brain. my inability to form
clear mental pictures, problems with navigation, extremely bad long
term memory seemed to be tied to an area closely connected to the
hippocampus called the entorhinal cortex. this area is in the
paralimbic region. i hope lithium works for me. i've noticed that i
woke up with pretty good energy at 6:30 this monday morning. I never
wake up this early. I had a good dream yesterday that i was flirting
with girls and they liked it. I hardly ever have good dreams. I'm
hoping this is a sign i am getting out of my depression. After
starting lithium, I was extremely anger for the first five days. I'm
wondering if this is a sign of neurogenesis, my bodys reaction to the
lithium, or both. I'm wondering if there is a period of extreme anger
people go through when they recover from depression. I wish i could
say that i am healed. I no longer have the massive drain of energy
because i have my bipolar under control. I had severe bipolar and I
haven't been through the zombielike mental depression or any form of
mania since i started this treatment a year ago. I can think a lot
clearer than I used to but i still have leftover brain damage. I have
a lot of emotional problems though. They are due to anger about living
with this disease and the brain damage that hasn't healed yet. I hope
lithium orotate heals the damage. Has anyone else taken lithium? If
so, what was your experience? Did it help? If so, in what way did it
help? How long did it take to work? Has anyone here taken anything
else for depression or/and brain damage? I thought about taking an
antidepressant but i'm scared to go that route because i've seen how
my dad acted after being off zoloft for a week.
lithium carbonate a day for seven years for manic depression. it
didn't seem to help at all with my depression back then. Ever since i
found out that this disease is a distal renal tubule (a part of the
kidney) disease and started vitamin and mineral supplementation, i
began healing. after a month or so of being on the new treatment, i
stopped taking lithium carbonate. i didn't like the side effects like
weight gain and fatigue from taking near toxic doses of lithium
carbonate, in retrospect, this was an extremely stupid thing to do
because i believe i could've fixed the damage done to the brain if i
would've stayed on it for a month or two longer. I believe the lithium
wasn't able to repair my brain as much as it could've been able to
because my whole system was severely out of whack due to vitamin and
mineral leakage. I have evidence to back up this theory. I was taking
lions mane mushroom powder for at least eight months before i started
the therapy and i didn't notice any benefits. its supposed to take at
least 6 months before you notice benefits (i've heard that is how long
it takes nerves to regenerate). I decided to keep taking the lions
mane after i got on the treatment and six months later, i felt a sharp
pain in my head and my big toe. I still experience these nerve pains
in the sole of my feet, my fingertips, toes, and every great once in a
while in my head. i hope they are a sign that my nerves are healing.
So anyway, now i found out about lithium orotate and i've been taking
it for 8 days now. I've read about the paralimbic region of the brain
(one of the main areas effected by bipolar) that lithium is supposed
to rebuild. all of my complaints with my brain. my inability to form
clear mental pictures, problems with navigation, extremely bad long
term memory seemed to be tied to an area closely connected to the
hippocampus called the entorhinal cortex. this area is in the
paralimbic region. i hope lithium works for me. i've noticed that i
woke up with pretty good energy at 6:30 this monday morning. I never
wake up this early. I had a good dream yesterday that i was flirting
with girls and they liked it. I hardly ever have good dreams. I'm
hoping this is a sign i am getting out of my depression. After
starting lithium, I was extremely anger for the first five days. I'm
wondering if this is a sign of neurogenesis, my bodys reaction to the
lithium, or both. I'm wondering if there is a period of extreme anger
people go through when they recover from depression. I wish i could
say that i am healed. I no longer have the massive drain of energy
because i have my bipolar under control. I had severe bipolar and I
haven't been through the zombielike mental depression or any form of
mania since i started this treatment a year ago. I can think a lot
clearer than I used to but i still have leftover brain damage. I have
a lot of emotional problems though. They are due to anger about living
with this disease and the brain damage that hasn't healed yet. I hope
lithium orotate heals the damage. Has anyone else taken lithium? If
so, what was your experience? Did it help? If so, in what way did it
help? How long did it take to work? Has anyone here taken anything
else for depression or/and brain damage? I thought about taking an
antidepressant but i'm scared to go that route because i've seen how
my dad acted after being off zoloft for a week.
Gwern Branwen
Jun 5, 2012, 10:25:26 AM6/5/12
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On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:31 AM, hiphopo...@yahoo.com
<hiphopo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Has anyone else taken lithium? If
> so, what was your experience? Did it help? If so, in what way did it
> help? How long did it take to work? Has anyone here taken anything
> else for depression or/and brain damage?
http://www.gwern.net/Nootropics#lithium
<hiphopo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Has anyone else taken lithium? If
> so, what was your experience? Did it help? If so, in what way did it
> help? How long did it take to work? Has anyone here taken anything
> else for depression or/and brain damage?
I'm currently experimenting with 5mg orotate doses in pairs of weeks,
blinded, as part of a big 5 simultaneous experiments thing. We'll see
what happens in a year when I finish.
--
gwern
http://www.gwern.net
whoisbambam
Jun 6, 2012, 1:01:21 AM6/6/12
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i think i read someplace that it may be the 'oratate' that may
actually be beneficial........
magnesium oratate, for instance too.......
On Jun 5, 9:25 am, Gwern Branwen <gwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:31 AM, hiphopopotam...@yahoo.com
actually be beneficial........
magnesium oratate, for instance too.......
On Jun 5, 9:25 am, Gwern Branwen <gwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:31 AM, hiphopopotam...@yahoo.com
otto9otto
Jun 7, 2012, 3:27:21 PM6/7/12
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I consume about 75 mg lithium orotate for preventing depression (it
works!) and for preventing Alzheimers. See the full list of anti-
depressants in my health file (scroll down to depression) here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iKNgGAkXzXinwWlUnkCugH2wKu9Qz8Y9TZoTqWyzbRo/edit?pli=1.
On Jun 5, 1:31 am, "hiphopopotam...@yahoo.com"
works!) and for preventing Alzheimers. See the full list of anti-
depressants in my health file (scroll down to depression) here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iKNgGAkXzXinwWlUnkCugH2wKu9Qz8Y9TZoTqWyzbRo/edit?pli=1.
On Jun 5, 1:31 am, "hiphopopotam...@yahoo.com"
Gwern Branwen
Jul 11, 2014, 2:19:50 PM7/11/14
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On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Gwern Branwen <gwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.gwern.net/Nootropics#lithium
>
> I'm currently experimenting with 5mg orotate doses in pairs of weeks,
> blinded, as part of a big 5 simultaneous experiments thing. We'll see
> what happens in a year when I finish.
To update this: http://www.gwern.net/Nootropics#lithium-experiment
> http://www.gwern.net/Nootropics#lithium
>
> I'm currently experimenting with 5mg orotate doses in pairs of weeks,
> blinded, as part of a big 5 simultaneous experiments thing. We'll see
> what happens in a year when I finish.
No discernible effects good or bad, and nothing looking like a trend
or anything.
--
gwern
Steve Michaels
Jul 12, 2014, 6:21:20 AM7/12/14
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I've taken fair amounts of LO over fair intervals of time. I went up to 20mg elemental lithium on some weeks (that's 500mg LO). On day 1 and two you'll feel up, the thing boosts NGF production. It puts your mood in a solid bracket, which is good. After a while though, you'll start going downhill pretty fast, because this substance will hit your thyroid HARD. Only time I've felt worse than when I was on Li was when I quit piracetam cold turkey. The depression and desperation can get too big to handle.Even 2,5mg/day of elemental lithium are enought to make me feel horrible in 4 days. I had great expectations for this substance, it doesn't deliver. Avoid.
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