International High IQ Society's new IQ-test: The GIGI.

[Pontus Granström]

I've taken the new GIGI-test over at International High IQ Society and
I managed to score 153! I do not know about the validity but I guess
it's worth to mention as an "improvement" since I've got no score that
high when I took their other entrance tests years ago, not even in the
same domain/type.

I took the "full scale" test but there's a free "sprint version" which
consists of 20 questions that are to be answered in 8 minutes which
should be indicative but nothing more. I guess it's ceiling is around
125.

[Pontus Granström]

It's ceiling is 145 and the full scale has a ceiling of 172. It also
takes the times it takes to complete the test into account. Didn't
know that actually.

[jttoto]

I wonder if they also factor in the speed at which you answer
questions like their earlier tests. I remember getting what I thought
was all the questions right, but I answered a bit slower because of
fatigue.

There is a certain familiarity with the questions on the test, and one
who has taken the Raven's in the past can easily figure out the
answers in the time provided. I only took the sprint version.

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[Pontus Granström]

Yes speed is a part of the equation it clearly states that on their webpage.

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[jttoto]

Yes, Naturally I assumed that we could use all the time provided.
Once I figured out that speed was factored in I scored much higher the
second time around, and closer to what I scored in the past.

Not sure how reliable it is. I simply recalled earlier questions I
remembered from past tests.

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[Pontus Granström]

Still I am pretty amazed by my 153 score, it's definitley a local improvement for me. In fact I bought his book and took all the tests there and I haven't scored above 145 on a single on of them even with repetition, 153 is pretty close to my highest "G-score" that I managed to get when I was 20.

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[jttoto]

Yes, that is a very good score. Perhaps you should apply for Mensa?

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[Pontus Granström]

Nah! I do not like Mensa at all after all my polemic with them. I think they've got the wrong view on intelligence and it's application. Dual-n-back/mind enhancing seems for progressive and developing. After all this group here probably has "developed/benefited human intelligence" more than Mensa ever has or will. Even though they claim it's their "mission".

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[Martin Pavese]

I've taken the sprint version, all items seemed fairly easy and were
very similar to those of www.iqtest.dk (in which I scored around 130),
I used less than half the time provided, and my score was 79! I think
there must be something wrong with the test...

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[jttoto]

speed is a factor. You take the entire time you will be penalized.
Assume that you must answer the questions as quickly as possible, and
it will give you a more accurate score. Also, I don't think the test
is properly normed, due to the fact that you typically get a minute
per question on tests like this. Or it is more difficult because it
assumes people will take it more than once.

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[Pontus Granström]

Interesting, I suggest you pay the 4$ to take the full scale test, it's very similar to iqtest.dk naturally since it's a matrix test but at the same time different enough to be valid.

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[wzeller]

I highly doubt the validity of the longer test.  I scored 158 without worrying about time, which is way too high.  There was only one question among the forty that was somewhat difficult -- the rest were very obvious incremental change and overlap problems.  It's suspicious that they call the test "pro" but omit any psychometric data.  It's also suspicious that a high score on the test allows you to sign up for their club which, coincidentally, also costs a lot of money. 

[polar]

Congratulations :)

Just note, that their test is very similar to RAPM (which is a bit
outdated), and a bit easier too. I took the whole test today, and I
got the same score as I got on RAPM 2 years ago (1.25% difference in
points). And from my RAPM score, I always take 1sd away, just to be
sure (flynn effect and all the stuff). So if you want to be rock-hard
sure, you (scoring 153 sd16) are definitely not lower then 2.5 SD
(which is pretty impressive).

Actually, in my opinion they are definitely not qualified to measure
more than 2.5sd. Its clear that speed is the main differentiating
factor they use (tasks are too easy and only visuospatial), but speed
is definitely not enough. And further, they claim it is "general
intelligence quotient" - but its only Gf. In my opinion, this is not
half as valid as, say, http://www.giqtest.com/about.html

[jttoto]

I don't think the test, or Raven-like tests in general, properly
control for retest effects. (which is why studies show you can
improve on them simply by practice) Typically Raven style tests follow
a certain pattern, and once someone has been seen the test multiple
times the pattern begins to emerge.

On Jun 5, 8:23 am, polar <pol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Congratulations :)
>
> Just note, that their test is very similar to RAPM (which is a bit
> outdated), and a bit easier too. I took the whole test today, and I
> got the same score as I got on RAPM 2 years ago (1.25% difference in
> points). And from my RAPM score, I always take 1sd away, just to be
> sure (flynn effect and all the stuff). So if you want to be rock-hard
> sure, you (scoring 153 sd16) are definitely not lower then 2.5 SD
> (which is pretty impressive).
>
> Actually, in my opinion they are definitely not qualified to measure
> more than 2.5sd. Its clear that speed is the main differentiating
> factor they use (tasks are too easy and only visuospatial), but speed
> is definitely not enough. And further, they claim it is "general
> intelligence quotient" - but its only Gf. In my opinion, this is not

> half as valid as, say,http://www.giqtest.com/about.html

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> On 4. Jún, 10:34 h., Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I've taken the new GIGI-test over at International High IQ Society and
> > I managed to score 153! I do not know about the validity but I guess
> > it's worth to mention as an "improvement" since I've got no score that
> > high when I took their other entrance tests years ago, not even in the
> > same domain/type.
>
> > I took the "full scale" test but there's a free "sprint version" which
> > consists of 20 questions that are to be answered in 8 minutes which
> > should be indicative but nothing more. I guess it's ceiling is around

[Pontus Granström]

2.5 SD is pretty much my last G-score that I recieved when I was 20, so I guess your estimation is accurate. Actually I scored 2.6 SD above average give or take a point or two, who cares ;-)

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[milestones]

By far the best online test I've taken of a visual pattern recognition
nature is (was) Get-Y/Get-Gamma), a fluid test that others (Moe,
Argumzio) have taken. In my case, I felt that test did not under or
over score me as I felt I put in the requisite amount of time to solve
the items as best I could. (It took me between 4 and 5 hours).

Unfortunately it's been comprimised and has been removed and can no
longer be taken or scored. This is too bad because the patterns were
not at all seen-it-before RAPM style but very unique. In its place, I
am not sure what sort of fluid test to recommend. Based on reports so
far on the International high IQ test, I'm not inclined to take it
now, though I probably will at some point.

Regarding mixed items tests: Polar, why do you think the GIQtest is
valid? I agree it's not a bad test...though low ceiling. To get a fair
measurement and if one's IQ is over 98%Ile or so mark, I think the
best thing is to take both a high level fluid test and high level
crystallized test. For the latter, I'd recommend CCAT over at
Cerebrals.
This would bolster a case for someone's IQ being xyz...but imo just
one fluid or crystallized measure is not enough (even if valid and
well normed). On the other hand, I don't think the WAIS is a very good
option for gifted adults who want to know their IQ above 130 --
(unless they it's used as a diagnostic for LD/ADD, in which case it's
the best).

[polar]

..actually it's at least that much (and again, its huge potential in
life - altought you are not obliged to use it up).

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[polar]

I think giqtest is valid, because of the reasons they provide - they
combined several established clinical iq tests (and more modalities),
norm it statistically, then beta test it with mensans all over the
world, and adjusted again. It's important that the ceiling is not
higher than 151, because it shows they know their boundaries (consider
that you need to have some task or time limit, which only 1 person in
1000 can pass).

Regarding WAIS, there's new version (IV, 2008), which has big
tradition and was throughly standardized:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_Scale#Standardization
so I would pretty much believe the results too. And I wanted someday
to take the get-gama test, what a pity they dont score it anymore. But
I saved it maybe two years ago, so if you want, here it is:
http://navaro.sk/tmp/gg.rar

Btw if you want something new and interesting, try
http://news.generiq.net/Analytica/analytica.html . You have 40 items,
and you need to solve 14 just to get past 2sd (130), and 21 to pass
3sd (145). You dont really need to consult author, you will know when
you solve an item (and it's about PATTERNS, only very slightly math).
And believe me, this test will not overrate your score any f*cking
milimeter... :)

[Pontus Granström]

I took the giqtest, I've taken it before too, I would like to report a 7 point increase, from 122 to 129. I guess it's one or two points higher actually, but my keyboard struggled when I entered the numbers on the backward digitspan test so I lost focus.

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[Martin Pavese]

I took the GIGI test sprint version again today, and I scored 139.I
answered all the questions exactly the same way I did the first
time(when I scored 79) so I guess there was a problem with the scoring
system and now they fixed it.

On Jun 5, 1:56 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I took the giqtest, I've taken it before too, I would like to report a 7
> point increase, from 122 to 129. I guess it's one or two points higher
> actually, but my keyboard struggled when I entered the numbers on the
> backward digitspan test so I lost focus.
>
> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:25 PM, polar <pol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think giqtest is valid, because of the reasons they provide - they
> > combined several established clinical iq tests (and more modalities),
> > norm it statistically, then beta test it with mensans all over the
> > world, and adjusted again. It's important that the ceiling is not
> > higher than 151, because it shows they know their boundaries (consider
> > that you need to have some task or time limit, which only 1 person in
> > 1000 can pass).
>
> > Regarding WAIS, there's new version (IV, 2008), which has big
> > tradition and was throughly standardized:
>

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> > to take the get-gama test, what a pity they dont score it anymore. But
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> >http://navaro.sk/tmp/gg.rar
>
> > Btw if you want something new and interesting, try

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[Pontus Granström]

Yes, it's true! I checked on their forum and he says that the test will be "functional" in a couple of weeks. There's about 4000 people a day taking the test and the norms are not set/fixed yet.

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[Benjamin]

yeah. I'd say it overshoots a bit now. My score was definitely
higher by a bit than other tests I've took...including the former eCMA
test used by highiqsociety. To be honest the questions were pretty
easy even at level 8 and 9 plus. Maybe they make the difference up on
speed. I think its been said in a parallel thread, but I sure hope
they aren't 'norming' it with folks taking it over the web. Shot in
the dark here...but I can't imagine its ceiling is much above 150.
Then again, maybe I'm just getting smarter ;)

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[Benjamin]

btw, Pontus, do you know what they are basing their norms on currently
if they aren't yet fixed?

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[Pontus Granström]

No, Nathan just says that we should give it a couple of weeks, at least the sprint version. There's a few people who get 79 scores dispite scoring much higher on well known tests. So do not trust the sprint version at all, at this point :)

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[Benjamin]

Oh. so the full version is normed? i really can't see it measuring
up to 172, but maybe the balance is just based on speed. who knows.
maybe i'll give it to some friends and fam and see how they do :) I
mentioned it on a parallel thread but OOO kicked my butt compared with
this (then again there's not normed data for OOO)

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[Pontus Granström]

I believe the full version is normed under other conditions than the sprint. Why not have a go at it, it's only 4$, I believe this somewhat raises the validity of the score compared to OOO, since people do not want to waste money by giving it a bad shot etc.

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[Benjamin]

Yeah. I gave it a go. The questions didn't seem too terrible. I just
wonder how they normed about 3 SD. I mentioned OOO just because it
"felt" harder, but that was mostly because of time constraints I
guess. Like you, I score quiet a bit higher than normal on the full
gigi than on just about anything else i've taken.

[Pontus Granström]

Might also be due to the fact that this is normed on the world population, the average IQ in the world is around 90. I so remove 10 points and you probably have a score pretty close to your "real".

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[Benjamin]

yeah that could be the case. Any how, I think I'll take it again
later on after doing some n-backing and exercising and eating well
etc. maybe i'll take the wais and see how it compares.

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[Pontus Granström]

Yes do so, especially eating well is important.

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[milestones]

Okay, I've taken the GIGI certified just now...scored 144 which I
think is SD 15. I have a few more credits so I'll give another spin
later to see if I can break it.

Ceiling 173 is very high but I just don't see the items justifying
that...unless this is a computer adaptive test and I didn't see any,
really really hard items...some did get thought provoking toward the
end, though.

So I'm going to agree with Polar what others have said that the
ceiling is most likely in reality lower than what they claim it is. I
do think it's a nice culture fair test, but not sure it works all that
well as a high range test. Another thing to consider too is that the
norms may still be off...and might take a while to adjust so I might
hold off on using my credits.