From Access IT, a review of the Hable One
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Jackie Brown
Jan 2, 2022, 3:25:11 AM1/2/22
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I thought the below review might be interesting for some. Unless I am
completely dense, I just cannot understand what Roger means by the vertical
position of the keys in terms of layout. If someone has seen or used this
device, could they please expand?
Text follows:
Thoughts on the Hable One
Roger Fordham
A few days ago, I read about a new product called the Hable One in an RNIB
promotional email. It's a braille keyboard designed to work with iOS and
Android devices of all kinds, using a Perkins-style keyboard with a couple
of function keys to navigate phone screens via braille input. It is claimed
that with this braille input, you can do everything via braille input,
without having to use iPhone or Android hand gestures. Great! Just the thing
for me, bring it on quick.
At a cost of £240 or so, it's not cheap, in fact, more than double the price
of an Apple qwerty keyboard, but I thought, "what the heck, go for it".
Which I did. It arrived quickly, and I was keen to see how it worked in
practice.
I asked to be supplied with braille instructions, which duly arrived along
with a print copy. In the box, as well as the Hable One, you get a USB-C
cable which you plug in to a mains adapter, and a lanyard wrist strap.
The Hable One is very small, smaller than my iPhone 12. Apart from a
charging port on its back, six Perkins-style keys and two extra keys for
dots 7 and 8 which also act as function keys, and an on-off switch at the
front, that's it.
The instruction manual is very straightforward and easy to understand; and
pairing the phone with the Hable One is also very easy. Once that's done,
off you go. Navigation is well explained as to what each key combination
does, and even if you're a non-braillist, you could learn braille itself
from this instruction manual.
Are there any downsides? Yes, just one, and it was a big one for me. The
keys on the machine are arranged vertically, not, as on most Perkins-style
devices, horizontally. For most of the braille alphabet that doesn't matter
very much, except when you come to vowel letters. So, the arrangement of
dots two and four, when for example writing the letter "i", means in
horizontal (normal mode), that the hands mimic the shape of the braille
letter being typed. But, in vertical mode, it means the opposite is true,
and to us experienced braillists, it feels like an "en" sign. Dot four is in
the wrong place. This is very hard to visualize on paper, but if you have
the Hable in your hands, you'll find it a little confusing to have to adjust
your braille thinking.
Initially, this caused me so much difficulty that I sent the machine back,
claiming that was for me at least, unuseable. I asked for a refund, and got
it.
Having contacted RNIB, it turns out that about 50 per cent of users of the
Hable One share the same difficulties as I did. Unfortunately, the product
was sent out with an outdated instruction manual. Had it come with a more
up-to-date version, I would have learned that there is, in fact, a very easy
workaround for the problem, and you can re-assign those keys to mimic
Perkins-style braille shapes. So, it's okay after all, and will be for
anybody else. When you know what to do, it's simplicity itself.
The Hable One lives up to its advertising blurb. It's a quite brilliant
piece of kit, and, as the instruction manual states, it makes using an
iPhone or an Android phone "super easy." With my reservations gone, I warmly
recommend it. I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
[The Hable One (HT388) is available from our shop (https://bit.ly/30m8Lhb)
priced £239.00 ex VAT / £286.80 inc VAT, or by calling our Helpline on 0303
123 9999.]
Kind regards,
Jackie Brown
Email: jackiean...@gmail.com
completely dense, I just cannot understand what Roger means by the vertical
position of the keys in terms of layout. If someone has seen or used this
device, could they please expand?
Text follows:
Thoughts on the Hable One
Roger Fordham
A few days ago, I read about a new product called the Hable One in an RNIB
promotional email. It's a braille keyboard designed to work with iOS and
Android devices of all kinds, using a Perkins-style keyboard with a couple
of function keys to navigate phone screens via braille input. It is claimed
that with this braille input, you can do everything via braille input,
without having to use iPhone or Android hand gestures. Great! Just the thing
for me, bring it on quick.
At a cost of £240 or so, it's not cheap, in fact, more than double the price
of an Apple qwerty keyboard, but I thought, "what the heck, go for it".
Which I did. It arrived quickly, and I was keen to see how it worked in
practice.
I asked to be supplied with braille instructions, which duly arrived along
with a print copy. In the box, as well as the Hable One, you get a USB-C
cable which you plug in to a mains adapter, and a lanyard wrist strap.
The Hable One is very small, smaller than my iPhone 12. Apart from a
charging port on its back, six Perkins-style keys and two extra keys for
dots 7 and 8 which also act as function keys, and an on-off switch at the
front, that's it.
The instruction manual is very straightforward and easy to understand; and
pairing the phone with the Hable One is also very easy. Once that's done,
off you go. Navigation is well explained as to what each key combination
does, and even if you're a non-braillist, you could learn braille itself
from this instruction manual.
Are there any downsides? Yes, just one, and it was a big one for me. The
keys on the machine are arranged vertically, not, as on most Perkins-style
devices, horizontally. For most of the braille alphabet that doesn't matter
very much, except when you come to vowel letters. So, the arrangement of
dots two and four, when for example writing the letter "i", means in
horizontal (normal mode), that the hands mimic the shape of the braille
letter being typed. But, in vertical mode, it means the opposite is true,
and to us experienced braillists, it feels like an "en" sign. Dot four is in
the wrong place. This is very hard to visualize on paper, but if you have
the Hable in your hands, you'll find it a little confusing to have to adjust
your braille thinking.
Initially, this caused me so much difficulty that I sent the machine back,
claiming that was for me at least, unuseable. I asked for a refund, and got
it.
Having contacted RNIB, it turns out that about 50 per cent of users of the
Hable One share the same difficulties as I did. Unfortunately, the product
was sent out with an outdated instruction manual. Had it come with a more
up-to-date version, I would have learned that there is, in fact, a very easy
workaround for the problem, and you can re-assign those keys to mimic
Perkins-style braille shapes. So, it's okay after all, and will be for
anybody else. When you know what to do, it's simplicity itself.
The Hable One lives up to its advertising blurb. It's a quite brilliant
piece of kit, and, as the instruction manual states, it makes using an
iPhone or an Android phone "super easy." With my reservations gone, I warmly
recommend it. I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
[The Hable One (HT388) is available from our shop (https://bit.ly/30m8Lhb)
priced £239.00 ex VAT / £286.80 inc VAT, or by calling our Helpline on 0303
123 9999.]
Kind regards,
Jackie Brown
Email: jackiean...@gmail.com
Sean Randall
Jan 2, 2022, 5:59:42 AM1/2/22
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Hi Jackie
With a traditional braille keyboard, my fingers are laid out horizontally. Dot 1 on my index finger is next to dot 2 on my ring finger and, on most displays, my thumb or thumbs are used for space. My right hand is next to my left and, if you were to lie something across my hands (like a belt or rope), you'd cover all 6 brailling fingers.
TheHableOne is generally used vertically. The buttons on the unit face outward, so although dot 1 is still your index finger, the ring finger for dot 2 now lines-up below dot 1, and dot 3 underneath that. It's a bit like the idea of screen away mode on the iPhone, you hold the unit with your palms on the short edges, and your fingers tap "inward" to press the buttons. A narrow belt or rope in this instance would only cover the fingers for brailling dots 1 and 4, because your hands are held in a different position.
It's really not the easiest thing to explain, sorry! If I can do any clearer, please ask more questions.
Sean.
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With a traditional braille keyboard, my fingers are laid out horizontally. Dot 1 on my index finger is next to dot 2 on my ring finger and, on most displays, my thumb or thumbs are used for space. My right hand is next to my left and, if you were to lie something across my hands (like a belt or rope), you'd cover all 6 brailling fingers.
TheHableOne is generally used vertically. The buttons on the unit face outward, so although dot 1 is still your index finger, the ring finger for dot 2 now lines-up below dot 1, and dot 3 underneath that. It's a bit like the idea of screen away mode on the iPhone, you hold the unit with your palms on the short edges, and your fingers tap "inward" to press the buttons. A narrow belt or rope in this instance would only cover the fingers for brailling dots 1 and 4, because your hands are held in a different position.
It's really not the easiest thing to explain, sorry! If I can do any clearer, please ask more questions.
Sean.
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Jackie Brown
Jan 2, 2022, 6:50:16 AM1/2/22
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Thanks for your attempt Sean. It's only something I can understand if I actually feel one myself. I am curious to know why the manufacturer opted for this approach, but if it can be used in the regular way, that's at least heartening.
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Matthew Horspool
Jan 2, 2022, 8:36:46 AM1/2/22
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Hi,
I haven't seen one, but from everything I've read it sounds like it might be a bit like a Stainsby keyboard.
I imagine it would take up less space with the keys arranged like that.
Matthew
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I haven't seen one, but from everything I've read it sounds like it might be a bit like a Stainsby keyboard.
I imagine it would take up less space with the keys arranged like that.
Matthew
Donald Winiecki
Jan 2, 2022, 11:44:10 AM1/2/22
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Perhaps this will help to describe the orientation of keys on the Hable device.
Hold your arms straight out in front of you with your palms facing each other and fingers outstretched. Then bend the fingers of each hand at the first knuckle so the tips of the fingers of each hand are pointing at the matching fingers of the other hand.
Next, with your hands in this position, imagine holding something like a smartphone with your fingers on the side away from your body, and your thumbs on the side closest to your body. This is how one would hold the Hable device. It is in a vertical rather than a horizontal position.
With your hands in this position, imagine a six-key keyboard that matches the index, middle, and ring finger of each of your hands on the far side of the thing you are holding. Your left index finger is dot 1, left middle finger is dot 2, and so on. All of this is consistent with the finger placement on keys of the Perkins keyboard, even though the keys themselves are now "vertical" rather than horizontal
There are cellphone apps that use this same orientation for the six-keys.
Hope this helps,
_don
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Charles
Jan 2, 2022, 12:33:39 PM1/2/22
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So then, the fingers on this braille keypad would be oriented like the
dots in a braille cell?
Charles
On 2022-01-02 11:43 a.m., Donald Winiecki wrote:
> Perhaps this will help to describe the orientation of keys on the Hable
> device.
>
> Hold your arms straight out in front of you with your palms facing each
> other and fingers outstretched. Then bend the fingers of each hand at
> the first knuckle so the tips of the fingers of each hand are pointing
> at the matching fingers of the other hand.
>
> Next, with your hands in this position, imagine holding something like a
> smartphone with your fingers on the side away from your body, and your
> thumbs on the side closest to your body. This is how one would hold the
> Hable device. It is in a vertical rather than a horizontal position.
>
> With your hands in this position, imagine a six-key keyboard that
> matches the index, middle, and ring finger of each of your hands on the
> far side of the thing you are holding. Your left index finger is dot 1,
> left middle finger is dot 2, and so on. All of this is consistent with
> the finger placement on keys of the Perkins keyboard, even though the
> keys themselves are now "vertical" rather than horizontal
>
> There are cellphone apps that use this same orientation for the six-keys.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> _don
> (https://bit.ly/30m8Lhb <https://bit.ly/30m8Lhb>) priced £239.00 ex
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dots in a braille cell?
Charles
On 2022-01-02 11:43 a.m., Donald Winiecki wrote:
> Perhaps this will help to describe the orientation of keys on the Hable
> device.
>
> Hold your arms straight out in front of you with your palms facing each
> other and fingers outstretched. Then bend the fingers of each hand at
> the first knuckle so the tips of the fingers of each hand are pointing
> at the matching fingers of the other hand.
>
> Next, with your hands in this position, imagine holding something like a
> smartphone with your fingers on the side away from your body, and your
> thumbs on the side closest to your body. This is how one would hold the
> Hable device. It is in a vertical rather than a horizontal position.
>
> With your hands in this position, imagine a six-key keyboard that
> matches the index, middle, and ring finger of each of your hands on the
> far side of the thing you are holding. Your left index finger is dot 1,
> left middle finger is dot 2, and so on. All of this is consistent with
> the finger placement on keys of the Perkins keyboard, even though the
> keys themselves are now "vertical" rather than horizontal
>
> There are cellphone apps that use this same orientation for the six-keys.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>
> DON WINIECKI
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 6:36 AM Matthew Horspool
> <matthew....@braillists.org
> DON WINIECKI
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 6:36 AM Matthew Horspool
> <matthew....@braillists.org
> <mailto:matthew....@braillists.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I haven't seen one, but from everything I've read it sounds like it
> might be a bit like a Stainsby keyboard.
> I imagine it would take up less space with the keys arranged like that.
> Matthew
>
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> Thanks for your attempt Sean. It's only something I can understand
> if I actually feel one myself. I am curious to know why the
> manufacturer opted for this approach, but if it can be used in the
> regular way, that's at least heartening.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Email: jackiean...@gmail.com <mailto:jackiean...@gmail.com>
>
> Hi,
> I haven't seen one, but from everything I've read it sounds like it
> might be a bit like a Stainsby keyboard.
> I imagine it would take up less space with the keys arranged like that.
> Matthew
>
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>
> Thanks for your attempt Sean. It's only something I can understand
> if I actually feel one myself. I am curious to know why the
> manufacturer opted for this approach, but if it can be used in the
> regular way, that's at least heartening.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
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Yes, that is a much more straightforward way of describing it!
(I have made it more complex than it needed to be. Thanks for your clarity!)
_don
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claire amoroso
Jan 4, 2022, 3:53:20 AM1/4/22
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Hi Jackie and everyone,
From what I can tell, the layout of the keys on this device isn't horizontal like on a Perkins or an Orbit device for example but vertical like a Braille cell, with two columns of three buttons.
Hope this makes sense.
Claire
On 2 Jan 2022, at 10:42, Jeff Bashton <jbas...@tavip.org.uk> wrote:
Jackie,
I should have said "contracted UEB"!
Regards.
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From what I can tell, the layout of the keys on this device isn't horizontal like on a Perkins or an Orbit device for example but vertical like a Braille cell, with two columns of three buttons.
Hope this makes sense.
Claire
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Jackie,
I should have said "contracted UEB"!
Regards.
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claire amoroso
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Hi Jackie and everyone,
From what I can tell, the layout of the keys on this device isn't horizontal like on a Perkins or an Orbit device for example but vertical like a Braille cell, with two columns of three buttons.
Hope this makes sense.
Claire
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From what I can tell, the layout of the keys on this device isn't horizontal like on a Perkins or an Orbit device for example but vertical like a Braille cell, with two columns of three buttons.
Hope this makes sense.
Claire
I thought the below review might be interesting for some. Unless I am
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But it can also be used the other way, as the review said.
All the best
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Jackie Brown
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Hi Claire
Yes, thanks indeed, it does.
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Yes, thanks indeed, it does.
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