Threat and Stealth.

[bradtastic]

Looks like this topic may be of some interest.

Past the opening and the talking, "three-second rule" and "three-
minute rule," many people may have trouble with mixed sets and rooms
filled with (at least seemingly) dominant men and attractive women...
and it's difficult to tell "how close" people really are.

What should we do?

And when more and more people are aware of "the pickup artist" and the
"seduction community," men, women and most importantly/scary—women's
friends, will be aware of the techniques and at least "know what to
look out for." And trust me when I tell you, it'll be LESS about
SPECIFIC LINES and more about THE ATTITUDE.

The standard "cocky funny" won't work so easily after women get in
shoved in their faces (poorly) again and again by "half-smart" pickup
attempts.


I have a way to deal with all of this. Interested?

[Grill]

Absolutely.

Another small detail that would be nice to discuss is how to determine
"where" the sets are, i.e. being able to tell that a 5 set is actually
a 2 set and a 3 set and which to open in order to win over both if
needed, etc.

[bradtastic]

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking that we should discuss.
I was speaking more of emotional closeness, however, physical
proximity is sometimes indicative.

However, angles are important to look for, and a VERY IMPORTANT skill
to master; learn this, and you can break all "proximity rules" and get
within inches of your target without sounding alarms and without
making her uncomfortable.

And then of course, there's timing. And differentiating. It may happen
that one day you (or someone, anyone) walk/s into a club, toward a new
target, only to overhear someone else in the venue use material
similar to your own, using gambits and routines, multiple threading
and stacking forward. Now what?

There are many different things that can be done in that situation...
make friends with him? Share stories, bond? Or perhaps, use his game
to your advantage... now that it's been quite some time since the VH1
show, I'm sure people will at least "try" some of that crap, right in
front of us.

[Grill]

I was simply referring to being able to recognize sets when they
present themselves, rather than "looking" for a specific set and not
finding one. It's a problem I have at times and others may as well.

[Grill]

I was simply referring to being able to recognize sets when they
present themselves, rather than "looking" for a specific set and not
finding one. It's a problem I have at times and others may as well.

On Apr 19, 5:50 pm, bradtastic <brad.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Tracer]

I think a major problem with people that follow the VA is that they
follow too much stock material and don't set out on creating original
material based on their characteristics - online communities being the
worst culprit. But also take for example the second episode of the
VH1's "Pick up artist" where Mystery urged them to use stock openers
instead of motivating them to create something original and unique to
that person. Then it followed through - stock isolators, stock
routines, etc and in time much of it is recycled, reused and reheard.
Many guys (including myself) are guilty of using recycled stock
material. Not that using a popular field-tested routine is bad, but
it's more than likely to recycled and the probability of higher
quality women hearing the same opener a few times a night increases as
Mystery's stuff gets more and more popular. Style talked about this
phenomenon happening in his book "The Game."

A lot of my friends who read "The Game" think they have it all laid
out but never actually took the time to study the "pick up" concepts
like I did. I told a few of them that if they thought "The Game" was
inspirational then hey how about we start reading the MM/VA/C&F/Ross
Jeffries/NLP stuff, create our own material, go out to meet women,
etc. They disregarded my advice and continued on their usual AFC
routines, using stock material and being victim of their oneitis. I
realized that my studies have fared for the better when I closed
contact information from the hottest waitress at a restaurant IN FRONT
OF MY ENTIRE INTERNSHIP. Needless to say after that encounter, a woman
from my internship asked me out to go have lunch/dinner with her. A
woman with a boyfriend.

Now I'm not arguing that I'm "good" (contrary to what my peers
believe) but I am knowledgeable about the importance of creating
original material based on my characteristics rather than stock
material created by Mystery, Style, Brad, J Dog, etc. Yes, maybe once
in a while I may use their material but only to help me understand the
concepts that influence it so that in turn I could create material
that is just as powerful. I'm convinced that the mPUA formulas work
but it's far too common when they fall into the hands of guys that are
looking for a "get laid quick" scheme. Many of these guys, in my
opinion, lack the patience and dedication required to create original
routines, openers, etc and turn to online communities, stock material,
in hopes of creating a "Frankenstein" of material that will help them
get laid. They fail to see the larger picture - that it's more than
getting women but being able to freely express yourself and having
people love you for it.

The TV show and "The Game" was meant to be entertaining, not
educational and I think its pitiful when guys look up to them.

[bradtastic]

Specifically regarding "the TV show" and the book "The Game," neither
material offer enough "instruction" to truly "clue-in" someone. The
secrets (and techniques) are safe, casual eyes never even see the
concepts, and those are designed such that the material is always
somewhat different, or personal. Many people have made the mistake of
thinking that either (TV show and "The Game") could be instructional,
but both are fairly educational.

That education creates a mass of the "half-smart." Turned-on to the
idea of playing the "right way" to "get the girl," they attempt to
recreate what they'd seen or read, failing to understand many of the
underlying concepts and principles often governing simple-sounding
statements. Fundamentals such as rhythm, timing and enunciation are
more responsible for the efficacy of gambits than the words
themselves... and many of the half-smart will learn that the "hard
way."

However, the show and book told people (men and women), "Hey, this is
possible! Some people do "this," say "that" and get the attention and
have ALL of the FUN!" Hopefully, it'll draw fresh faces out of the
forest of mediocrity, and hopefully, the quality ones will walk this
way.

A new website (mostly informational at the moment) is almost ready...
and it'll outline more of what this is and what we're doing. I want
people to be able to talk about whatever, but I want most of my
instruction to be about the true stratagems of the "art," not any
specific material. Most of the time if I post actual gambit text
(outside of a field-report), it'll be to explain what's "going on"
behind the words, NOT TO STRESS the value of the words-themselves...
often, there isn't much value in any specific text.



Lastly, what "works" for me won't necessarily work for you, and if
"you" (anyone learning this, out at a bar or club with me, no one
specific) are armed with the same gambits and stories that I use,
it'll be a race, and just a matter of time, until the ENTIRE room has
caught-on to the "game being played" and sooner or later, ALL of said
material will end in an automatic BOOTS.


I'd rather teach how to CREATE STORIES than teach specific stories.
And then expand on it by teaching people how to hide technique and
rebuild their lives so that "technique" is PURELY NATURAL.
And stealthy.