"Don't scale back! Bounce with 'em." | Re: Potential Routine/Gambit

[bradtastic]

I'm actually not a fan of "scale back" techniques, and there are ways
to work around the scenerio. In the event that you want more from the
group, the two girls... say, you want to take them out. Instead of
mentioning money at all and the now-classic PUA-buy-me-a-drink BS, you
may want to try, "You know, people usually pay me for photographs...
well, now you owe me."

She may say, "Owe you what?" and then you can say, "What, are you
thinking that I'm crude or rude, wanting something I don't yet
deserve... or perhaps, I'd say something silly like, 'buy me a drink'
right?"

Wait for a reaction. Then say: "You're adorable. You owe me at least a
couple minutes of conversation... but it's loud here... let's move
over there... yup, the both of you, c'mon! I didn't come here to make
new friends, but I came here to have a good time. My friends are
floating around having a blast, acting like it's 'New Year's Eve.' We
should, or at least I should, probably rejoin them in a bit... but I'm
curious about something..."

This is when you ask her about some accessory that she has, or run an
ESP test, some kind of flourish or simple magic trick. I prefer asking
her about her jewelry, or why she'd ever combine (whatever colors) she
happens to be wearing, and proceed to explain (My) "Rules of Fashion."
This is to simply get her to invest, and for small(ish) DHV gains.

The KEY to this is the compliance. You take their picture, they'll
have a memory. Extend it and make it special. When she thinks of it
(when she sees the picture), you want her to remember you in AS MANY
DIFFERENT PLACES/SPACES AS POSSIBLE—meaning YOU MUST BOUNCE HER (or
the group). A handshake is weak. Sorry. It's not "bad," but it's not
the type of memorable that makes her think of you before falling
asleep that night, and the night after.


Instead of trying to leave the set on "your terms," leave the set and
make her follow. Get her to invest, and then play careful micro-
calibration. Also, if you are going to part, there are many kino-
routines that are considered "stock" in seduction, however, these
techniques are largely unknown to laypersons and random people you
encounter. These would involved compliance testing by having her
follow along, tracking your hand-movements with hers.


The key is comfort, then safety. You cannot offer safety before she's
comfortable. Just because she's "comfortable" doesn't mean she feels
safe WITH YOU. If she voluntarily went to (whatever) the venue is that
you're at, she probably feels at least (somewhat) safe THERE (bar/club/
whatever), not necessarily safe with some "new man." Women require
different amounts of comfort to start/initiate "trust," aka safety...
this is where micro-calibration comes in, and is SUPER-IMPORTANT.

Why? If she's already comfortable and because of, say, "scripted
material" you're still laying down "comfort routines," then you become
that timid, "too-safe guy," not the take charge "dangerous mystery
man" (think James Bond). If you move off comfort too soon (because she
requires more comfort than normal to begin "giving her trust"), then
you're like the CREEPY "You-can-trust-me-I-promise..." guy. No one
should trust that guy. He's probably a rapist, and even if he's not,
she'll assume he is, JUST TO BE SAFE.

She'd rather not take the chance (that "you" may be a great guy, or
the "guy of her dreams") and go home alone or just "hang with her
girlfriends" than walk into a potential disaster/danger.


Hope this enlightened and opened some doors (and some eyes). There's
much more to this, but I cannot have it distributed freely here at
Google. We should start moving to our own private space, huh?

=)

Please leave your thoughts, and if you try something like this, let me
know how it goes. If you want to fine-tune it or create something
specific, you can contact me about it.

[Tracer]

I really wanted her to buy me a drink...i was thirsty! That's all I
wanted from her really. I was also screwed a bit that night because
there were several instances where I introduced myself to a set as
Tracy/Tracer then one of my friends came up to me and yelled "hey
phill!!" (This is because I went with my school organization and we
made up a good 1/4th of the population in that club) I'm beginning to
wonder if the alias thing is a good idea on field.

I've actually used the "You owe me" line a few times when interacting
with women. But are you suggesting that instead of telling them they
owe me a (drink/meal/phone number/ride home/whatever) I should instead
imply that they owe me a conversation?

Anyway I'll try out what you said here and let you know how it goes.

[Grill]

No offense, but I highly doubt she remembered your name.
The techniques that Bradtastic outlined above are intended to build
attraction, not help you get things you need necessarily. By implying
that they owe you conversation, you are merely stating that you are
interested, not that you "need" anything from them. Conversation
leaves the door open for you to get whatever else you might want to
ask for once a set is comfortable with and interested in you.
It's ridiculous to expect a girl to buy you a drink or meal or even
give you her number just because you took a picture with her. It may
as well have been a stalemate had she agreed to buy you the drink. I
thought you said that as a neg, not seriously because you were thirsty
that night.

[bradtastic]

If you're "thirsty," alcohol won't fix that. Water does, and water is
free. If you "want a drink" and you want to get tipsy, buy yourself
the drink. She doesn't know you, you take her picture (with you in
it), then ask for money and then a drink, you get neither... how is
that better?

She doesn't know you and doesn't want to buy you a drink. If she does,
she's buying you a drink because you've conned and guilt-tripped her
into it, getting her to think that somehow, she ACTUALLY does owe you.
You think that she should actually owe you already?

If "all you want from her is a drink," do us a favor and find someone
else. Getting "some girl" to buy you a drink when you really have no
interest makes you the type of PUA that bouncers want to kick out of
clubs... why? Because it's taking advantage, and you should see it
that way, too.


Lastly, I'm not "implying" that you should tell her to that she/they
owe a conversation, I'm saying that that's what you should say,
outright. Or you'd rather stick with the handshake?


We don't ask for things from people we're not going to return value
and investment in, and trust me, I'm pretty vain myself, but no girl
should owe me because I got in her picture. That's as much for me (or
in the case at hand, you) as it is for her/them, and thus, it's
classified as mutual-investment.

Your post hints at the type of game that's developed by PUAs and
wannabe's looking to "score," to "win" and get something from the
girl... the "get something for nothing." If that's not the case,
please explain. If it is the case... well, you should know that that's
not what we're about.

While you're testing out material, buy your own drinks, unless someone
explicitly offers you one without any suggestion from you. If you some
day do end up with mad skills, you'll be RESPECTED as well as
admired... those whom take advantage of women (even in small~ish ways)
may get bragging rights in the seduction forums, but they're hated by
women and eventually, likely to get crushed and blown out by a better
man. A guy willing to buy his own drinks; take the woman out on a
lovely date, and take pride in his lifestyle, knowing full-well it's
worth more than a free drink here and there while being hated almost-
everywhere.

On Apr 17, 4:45 pm, Tracer <t.vancou...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Grill]

...on a lighter note, they were charging a dollar per water that
night.