The cockblock

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My goal today was to was to converse with probably the most attractive
girl in my music class. I knew she was interested in the get-go
because she did three things: She pulled up a seat next to mine, kept
opening me with questions and when a guy tried to get her to join him
in playing piano across the room, she ran off and went right back into
talking with me. Mind you, I've seldom conversed with her before.

Poor sap pulled his chair next to ours. Though she was asking me all
the questions, he kept trying to insert himself into the conversation.
I negged her a bit, got her to laugh a few times but it was difficult
to run anything on her with that guy there. It came to the point where
it felt like we were competing against each other to win her
attention. I decided to the run the set as if it were a two-set,
talking with him as well. But he kept countering my routines, like she
would ask me to show her how a chord was played, I refused to show her
(or played the chord in a different key) and he would "bail her out."

I'm not sure if I did the right thing but I ejected myself from the
set and went with talking to another girl in the class. I'm pretty
sure she saw it. I figured that I got her to laugh and set up a
positive influence with her and decided to pull out leaving her
wanting more. And of course to set up a sort of jealousy plot. The guy
of course closed in but the intimacy was shattered when ANOTHER guy
joined their set.

An interesting DHV I made up on the spot was that I was telling him a
story about an electric guitar I saw with a dragon design on it and
when the guitar was plugged in, its eyes lit up. She tapped my
shoulder (again) and I told her "Wait a sec, I'm not done talking."
She laughed.

Now my inquiry is that this has happened many times before with me. I
vividly remember going to a frat party in my freshmen year of college,
struck up a conversation with the hottest girl there and the frat bros
dove in and used my conversational topics to talk to her AT THE SAME
TIME. Most women can say that when they're bombarded with men, ALL of
them turn her off. How the heck should I counter something like this?
Should I DLV the cockblock? Work them as a two-set? Say "Aw, you guys
look so cute together and would make a great couple. Tell you what,
I'll go (do something) and you guys can get to know each better, sound
nice?"

I'm not sure if this taps into Brad's "Top Secret" material so I'm not
expecting a full response from him just yet. If anyone else can share
their input, that would be great.

[bradtastic]

There's nothing "top secret" about it... there's just certain things
that I'm not going to post here. I can go into some more detail at
Campfire (I have a free account setup), private chat or on the phone.

I have multiple methods to neutralize other males, obstacles, AMOGs,
etc, my best and most "famous" method would be the figure 4 (or 5)
deadfall with triggered-isolation. It's a move setup to devalue the
obstacle and the other male while feigning interest in the obstacle,
only to setup an isolation to bounce with the target.

Also, I should point out that your approach shouldn't "bombard" the
target. In fact, the very essence of what we do involves maintaining
comfort, being a "safe" presence (while exhibiting alpha traits) to
essentially be like "no other man."

It shouldn't even cross her mind that you're looking to pick her up.

I would suggest studying microcalibration, because this sort of thing
is situational. IODing a block (instead of "breaching") could result
in an instant BOOTS. Depending on how much investment there is, how
many people there are in the group... there are too many variables to
give a single answer as an "in general" response.


Lastly (for now): "An interesting DHV I made up on the spot was that I

was telling him a
story about an electric guitar I saw with a dragon design on it and
when the guitar was plugged in, its eyes lit up. She tapped my
shoulder (again) and I told her "Wait a sec, I'm not done talking."
She laughed. "

That doesn't really make sense. That response seems like a neg, and
it's not particularly crafty. Also, a story about an electric guitar
that "you've seen" isn't a DHV gambit; it doesn't spike value, it's
not connected to you (directly) and cannot be "demonstrated" live.
It's just an anecdotal gambit, and hopefully I can arm you (and
everyone here) with better words to fill interactions with.


To get the best advice on your current state of game and natural
ability, nothing could be better than going out to a bar and doing
some cold approaches. I can pick up a lot about a person's style by
seeing it, and can better tune material to suit your characteristics,
personality and unique nature. What works for me may not necessarily
work for "everyone."

[Grill]

In response to the frat boys trying to use your conversational topics
to talk to your target, I'd immediately AMOG the guy by shushing him
and saying something along the lines of "Hey hey now. Wait your
turn." and immediately turn away from the guy before he has a chance
to say anything. Then I'd turn back to the girl and say "Don't you
hate it when that happens?" and continue on with your spiel without
waiting for an answer.

[bradtastic]

Mutliple threading is the key. Don't tie yourself to a thread and
don't fall in love with your material. Have something to stack forward
into, and control frame so that "he's" (AMOG?) is stuck talking about
a dead topic. He'll have to try and keep up with you, taking your
lead... and that means, guess what? He's no longer the AMOG, you are.

Also, "negging" the AMOG isn't a good idea. That's actually a good way
to end up on the floor with a smashed-in face. Cute, playful "hey, I'm
speaking!" negs work on women, and it works when women use it on men,
but not to use on another man... especially if he is "alpha." If he's
bigger, has the women and the group, there's a good chance that that
sort of line won't win any points with "his girl" anyhow.

It's much safer to be "his new buddy" until the woman has interest,
has invested in you, and is at least "slightly" attracted, then
careful frame control can be used to side her AGAINST him... he'll be
unlikely to punch out the HB, at least not in the same way he'd
readily hit some random guy.

AMOGs (even the crappy, player-misogynist ones) will start to know of
(if they don't already know of) pickup artists... and "their tricks."
My tricks, our tricks, are and will always be slightly different,
ahead of the curve.


With that said, the safest things that can be done if some other guy
"steals your thread" is be the more knowledgeable one (regarding
whatever the thread is) and when convenient, stack forward, multiple
thread in something new, and craft "inside jokes" and side-threads
containing just the target (and possibly her friend/s, obstacle
included), leaving out the AMOG.

I have a take-away and walkaway technique that I use on other men in
the room that I'd be willing to show people in-field... perhaps I can
create a write-up and a drawing describing it.

[Grill]

After some reevaluation with Bradtastic regarding my last post
(above), the technique I threw out is not practical in all
situations. It is just something I have used successful a couple of
times in the past, however, that is not taking into account that you
will be encountering much more temperamental (and formidable) AMOGs in
other environments.
My technique would be much better used as a playful neg on the woman.
The goal in AMOGing is to get the woman on your side so she will want
to be with you rather than the AMOG, therefore if the AMOG tries to
steal your thread, the woman can tell him to hush. After all, the
AMOG is much less likely to knock his target out with his hammy fist.

[bradtastic]

And it's not to say that we should all expect that the so-called AMOG
is an angry, arrogant bastard waiting to pop-off at the next unlucky
SOB to cross him... however, I'm sure most of us bar/club goers know
that there are men whom go to bars TO GET INTO FIGHTS.

They act like assholes, threaten, and challenge people, usually
they're loud, obnoxious, but easy to notice and stay away from (if
that's what you want to do). However, occasionally, there are some
whom wait and "lurk" for the opportunity to fight someone; clearly,
they're not getting enough physical energy/aggression out in sports or
the bedroom and they need to prove "their manhood." It sucks, it's
stupid... but why get a black-eye on purpose?

If you want to "mess him up," then by all means, I'm not going to stop
you. I just want people to stay safe and be aware of the ramifications
of actions. The worst thing "we" can do is get into situations without
answers, in a situation and not knowing what to do next.