Any flooding around Bryan Park this weekend?
Mary Miller
Stewart, David E
we haven't.
dave and linda stewart
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Hunt, Christopher
No flooding this time here, but thought I might use this moment (your thoughtful enquiry) to sum up what I’ve deduced about the flooding that affects this property
I get flooded when the following conditions occur
1. Heavy rain in a short period (not just the prolonged lighter falls of last weekend for example, with which the creek copes well)
2. When the rain moves from east to west, so that the creek fills with the outfall from the east before the main fall reaches this immediate area
3. And the same storm in the immediately-following period then dumps a lot on the area bounded by Allen, Davis, Dunn, Henderson (all of which drains both into the creek and across Dunn into this property)
4. Which causes the creek to overflow across Dunn and over this property
5. A flow which cannot make the sharp S-turn in the creek at the SW corner of this property, backing up the flood across my yard (front and back) including flooding the garage but so far just not quite the house itself (escapes by inches!)
There are thus two problems: the excessive flow in the creek from further East (which could probably only be alleviated by an overflow system in Bryan Park itself), and the bottleneck turn in the creek at this property’s SW corner, which could be eased by clearing the creek-bed at the S-bend (a first step in that was made last week by workers clearing some of the trees and undergrowth, not in itself a solution unless the accumulated filling of the creek at that point is cleaned out)
Two weeks ago I was flooded in these conditions, with the extent of flooding almost precisely limited to this property only, just not quite onto the adjacent properties. That would not have happened if the creek had been cleared AND the previously-planned-but-now-abandoned plan to renew drainage ditches along this block of Dunn had been carried out. Two (or was it three?) years ago the heavier storms flooded a more extensive area. That would only have been prevented if an alleviating system further up the creek in Bryan Park existed (a fairly major operation, unlike the creek-and-roadside-ditches operation)
In short, ANY major storm moving east to west dumping heavy rainfall successively on the creek to the east and then here will cause flooding on this property.
CHRISTOPHER HUNT
Indiana University - Arts Administration
SPEA 213, 1315 East 10th Street
BLOOMINGTON IN 47405-1701
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1018 S. Dunn St
Bloomington IN 47401-5928
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Hi Neighbors,
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Isabel Piedmont-Smith
Sincerely,
Isabel
Isabel Piedmont-Smith
1108 S. Rogers St.
Bloomington, IN 47403
ipie...@hotmail.com
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Subject: RE: Any flooding around Bryan Park this weekend?
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:59:59 +0000
Jeff Firestone
| Thank you, Christopher, for providing all this
data. Having your observations, and ours, more systematically like this
will help us a lot. In fact, I think a lot of the miscommunication at the
last meeting was due to our misunderstanding the nature of the flooding at your
property, but also not recognizing that what we proposed at that meeting will
help your property. As Isabel said, the existing drainage ditches on your side of Dunn will be cleared out under the current plan. When it sounded as if we were abandoning you, we intended to say that we were no longer creating and enlarging new ditches on your block, and moving the upstream water away from them. This is actually a net gain for your property, but our explanation highlighted the lack of action on the Stewart and other properties on the block that they wanted. The new plan diverts a significant amount of water from the upstream block over to Palmer_to_enter_the_creek_after_your_house_, below the S-curve. This will greatly improve your third point of your email. In fact, the proposal we announced at the meeting is an improvement over the first proposal since that first one would have captured the water and placed it into the creek near at your house rather than downstream. This will not solve the flooding from the S-curve, but will certainly lessen water volume coming across your yard from the road. We anticipate / hope that the proposal will reduce the severity and frequency of flooding in the yard, but recognize that none of our proposals would make it go away entirely since so much of it is due to the upstream areas and the curves. You seem to have described the two-fold problem well in your e-mail. The big problem is upstream, Bryan Park and the neighborhoods that feed it. The smaller problem, but the one that runs across your yard directly, is your immediate neighborhood, and that we believe we are addressing. Hopefully, you, the City Utilities, and we at BPNA can look into how to fix the larger problems of the creek, but it was always outside of the scope of the project we'd started to address the Dixie / Allen area. Thank you for the information and more detailed observations. It is much more clear what is happening in your area now that it was in previous explanations. I believe we are helping it more than any previous plan, but also hope that a bigger solution might be forthcoming from your observations in the next projects and discussions about stormwater. Jeffrey --- On Tue, 5/17/11, Hunt, Christopher <hu...@indiana.edu> wrote: |
Hunt, Christopher
Thank you for that
To add to it, however: the City Utilities presumably know about the S-bend problem since (as I wrote) they’ve done the first stage of clearing it; the workers on that told me they’d eventually bring a digger to complete the process. Also I rather hope you meant the West side of this block of Dunn (instead of or as well as the east on which there are no existing ditches to be re-dug).
CHRISTOPHER HUNT
Indiana University - Arts Administration
SPEA 213, 1315 East 10th Street
BLOOMINGTON IN 47405-1701
cell 1-646 257 0749
1018 S. Dunn St
Bloomington IN 47401-5928
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Isabel Piedmont-Smith
Isabel Piedmont-Smith
1108 S. Rogers St.
Bloomington, IN 47403
ipie...@hotmail.com
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Subject: RE: Any flooding around Bryan Park this weekend?
Jeff Firestone
| "To add to it, however: the City Utilities presumably know about the S-bend problem since ...." ---I believe it is because you clarified the problem to us that Mary Miller contacted the Utilities division and suggested that they add the partial cleanup that you saw. It is my understanding that their cleaning was a fast and positive response to an inquiry from BPNA. ---Jeff |
--- On Tue, 5/17/11, Hunt, Christopher <hu...@indiana.edu> wrote: |
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Mary Miller
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