Mudfest
Aozotorp
area. 400 people and 200 vehicles tresspassed onto private Land owned by
Calaais Resources Colorado, Inc to tear up wetlands and destory a high alpine
meadow! Seems there was no permit gotten by KBPI-FM radio to hold the
enviro-destro mudfest! Course we last heard from KBPI radio when one of its
disc jockey's ordered a chicken be thrown out a third-story window in a
promoyional stunt!
I guess what we have here is a Tradegy of the Privately Owned Lands!
Ben Cantrick
I hate to be a wet blanket here, but that event, though Willy mentioned
it on the radio, was not officially endorsed or sponsored by KBPI. If
you wanna rip into Willy for gathering a bunch of Colorado rednecks
and going four-wheeling in the mud-pits, feel free. But it ain't BPI's
fault he did it. They had nothing to do with it.
-Ben
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ld
why didnt they stop it ?
Aozotorp wrote:
> See where KBPI Radio advertised a 'Mudfest' Near Nederland in the Caribou Creek
> area. 400 people and 200 vehicles tresspassed onto private Land owned by
> Calaais Resources Colorado, Inc to tear up wetlands and destory a high alpine
> meadow! Seems there was no permit gotten by KBPI-FM radio to hold the
> enviro-destro mudfest! Course we last heard from KBPI radio when one of its
> disc jockey's ordered a chicken be thrown out a third-story window in a
Aozotorp
>what does Calaais Resources Colorado, Inc have to say about the tresspass??
>And
>why didnt they stop it ?
Probably because it was just investment property they are holding till it
becomes economical to develope it! Absentee Landowners!
Aozotorp
>In article <20000924141941...@ng-cj1.aol.com>,
>Aozotorp <aozo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>See where KBPI Radio advertised a 'Mudfest' Near Nederland in the Caribou
>>Creek area. 400 people and 200 vehicles tresspassed onto private Land
>>owned by Calaais Resources Colorado, Inc to tear up wetlands and destory
>>a high alpine meadow! Seems there was no permit gotten by KBPI-FM radio
>>to hold the enviro-destro mudfest! Course we last heard from KBPI radio
>>when one of its disc jockey's ordered a chicken be thrown out a third-
>>story window in a promoyional stunt!
>>
>>I guess what we have here is a Tradegy of the Privately Owned Lands!
>
>it on the radio, was not officially endorsed or sponsored by KBPI. If
>you wanna rip into Willy for gathering a bunch of Colorado rednecks
>and going four-wheeling in the mud-pits, feel free. But it ain't BPI's
>fault he did it. They had nothing to do with it.
>
If it came accross their radio station they are liable!
Ben Cantrick
Someone remind me to call in to BPI and make a death threat on
the air... then sue BPI for airing it. What a fantastic way to
get undeservedly rich quick.
-Ben
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Aozotorp
>In article <20000925064834...@ng-fu1.aol.com>,
>Aozotorp <aozo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>If it came accross their radio station they are liable!
>
> Someone remind me to call in to BPI and make a death threat on
>the air... then sue BPI for airing it. What a fantastic way to
>get undeservedly rich quick.
>
Someone remind me of the delay all radio stations have! Someone remind me of
exactly who mentioned the mudfest event!
Steve Gombosi
Ben Cantrick <mackys...@dim.com> wrote:
>In article <20000925064834...@ng-fu1.aol.com>,
>Aozotorp <aozo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>If it came accross their radio station they are liable!
> Someone remind me to call in to BPI and make a death threat on
>the air... then sue BPI for airing it. What a fantastic way to
>get undeservedly rich quick.
There's a big difference between a random listener calling in with
that sort of statement and an employee making it...particularly
when there's no official disavowal of the statement until *after*
it has caused "unpleasant" consequences.
Steve
Ben Cantrick
Steve Gombosi <s...@amaterasu.scd.ucar.edu> wrote:
>There's a big difference between a random listener calling in with
>that sort of statement and an employee making it...particularly
>when there's no official disavowal of the statement until *after*
>it has caused "unpleasant" consequences.
If you're going to hold KBPI responsible for ever one of Willy's
antics that he talks about on the air, you might as well shut
the whole station down right now.
Man, the shit he's done. ;] How about taking a mic down to the
parking garage and having a bottle-rocket fight with an intern?
Lighting off a pack of firecrackers in Susie's blender - on the air -
while running the blender on "puree." Dropping old appliances off
the top of the studio building while a big crowd watches below.
Running over more appliances with another intern's jeep. Hosting
tailgate parties, calling up and annoying members of bands visiting
Denver at 7am, this latest drag through the mud pit, the list goes
on and on...
I dunno why I'm even bothering to try and explain this. The effort
is entirely futile. As the Zen saying goes... "To those that understand,
no explanation is necessary. To those that do not, no explanation is
possible." And it seems most people are not ready for knowledge.
Willy is a white-trash Tennessee redneck, and personally I can't
think of a better person to have on Denver radio. If it weren't for
Willy (and formerly, Howard Stern) radio in this town would have
absolutely no personality at all.
God save us from an entire dial filled with KBCO...
-Ben
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Ben Cantrick
>> Willy is a white-trash Tennessee redneck, and personally I can't
>> think of a better person to have on Denver radio. If it weren't for
>> Willy (and formerly, Howard Stern) radio in this town would have
>> absolutely no personality at all.
>
>not an accelerated version of Halloween pranks and personality
>aggrandizement.
It's all entertainment. Look down on the low-brow stuff if you
like, but a lot of people are listening.
>That's the same attitude that legitimizes garbage like the couch
>burnings in Ft. Fun and the continued idiocy on the Hill.
Hm, a bit different. For one, I don't think Willy's ever done
anything to harm or endanger anyone. Or cause a true public nuisance.
He also doesn't hypocritically claim to have any kind of political
issue he's fighting for... unlike certain trust-fund baby morons.
>This may come as a surprise, if not a pre-birth reminder, but Denver has
>had and did evince *great* music radio long before on air practical
>jokes competed with decent music for the microphone.
Reminisce about the good ol' days all you want; I'm fighting in
the here and now to keep the few worthy things I find on the radio,
on the radio.
>And as the Peak went latino it is no disgrace the BCO presnets an
>intergenerational play list.
>
>Cheap shock jock parlor shenannagins suitable for Letterman are dilutive
>of real FM.
>
>"FM - no staic at all"
And this is exactly the attitude I'm fighting. If I wanted to listen
to offend no-one crap all day, I know where to find it. At 97.3 FM.
-Ben "Fear of a bland planet" Cantrick
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chris...@my-deja.com
mackys...@dim.com (Ben Cantrick) wrote:
> In article <8qoh4b$e5s$1...@amaterasu.scd.ucar.edu>,
> Steve Gombosi <s...@amaterasu.scd.ucar.edu> wrote:
> >There's a big difference between a random listener calling in with
> >that sort of statement and an employee making it...particularly
> >when there's no official disavowal of the statement until *after*
> >it has caused "unpleasant" consequences.
>
> If you're going to hold KBPI responsible for ever one of Willy's
> antics that he talks about on the air, you might as well shut
> the whole station down right now.
>
> Man, the shit he's done. ;] How about taking a mic down to the
> parking garage and having a bottle-rocket fight with an intern?
> Lighting off a pack of firecrackers in Susie's blender - on the air -
> while running the blender on "puree." Dropping old appliances off
> the top of the studio building while a big crowd watches below.
> Running over more appliances with another intern's jeep. Hosting
> tailgate parties, calling up and annoying members of bands visiting
> Denver at 7am, this latest drag through the mud pit, the list goes
> on and on...
>
> I dunno why I'm even bothering to try and explain this. The effort
> is entirely futile. As the Zen saying goes... "To those that
understand,
> no explanation is necessary. To those that do not, no explanation is
> possible." And it seems most people are not ready for knowledge.
It used to be called AM radio - but since WKRP most have forgoten what
it took to track listeners to a dormant medium.
Yes the recent ESPN Dan Patrick baseball bats/turkeys promotion is a
reminder.
>
> Willy is a white-trash Tennessee redneck, and personally I can't
> think of a better person to have on Denver radio. If it weren't for
> Willy (and formerly, Howard Stern) radio in this town would have
> absolutely no personality at all.
>
All amusing and really juvenile Ben, but good FM radio is good music -
not an accelerated version of Halloween pranks and personality
aggrandizement.
That's the same attitude that legitimizes garbage like the couch
burnings in Ft. Fun and the continued idiocy on the Hill.
This may come as a surprise, if not a pre-birth reminder, but Denver has
had and did evince *great* music radio long before on air practical
jokes competed with decent music for the microphone.
Those of us who were around for the early days of KFML and the
"cleansing of the airwaves" before KBPI came into being, or the later AM
incarnation of KFML are witness to unique times of real music.
Some of us recall KAZY, nee KLZ, and the real FM battle for musical
superiority.
Names like Jim Sprinkle and Ginger resonate.
And as the Peak went latino it is no disgrace the BCO presnets an
intergenerational play list.
Cheap shock jock parlor shenannagins suitable for Letterman are dilutive
of real FM.
"FM - no staic at all"
somebody wise once penned.
> God save us from an entire dial filled with KBCO...
"How about a kiss for your cousin Dupree?"
>
> -Ben
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Before you buy.
Aozotorp
fe...@mscd.edu
HeaDLINE:
2 National Guard Humvees in 'mud fest,' landowner says
Uniformed soldiers accused of joining motoring trespassers who ravaged
wetland
By Kevin McCullen
Denver Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BOULDER COUNTY — Two Colorado National Guard Humvees were part of a
radio-inspired "mud fest" that ravaged a mountain wetland, the
landowner said Monday.
Uniformed soldiers in National Guard vehicles joined hundreds of
drivers trespassing Saturday on the delicate mountain tract, said Tom
Hendricks, who was working his mine on the property when the invasion
began.
Hendricks screamed in vain as drivers of off-road vehicles streamed
past, running over "No Trespassing" signs and heavily scarring a 25-
acre wetland....
EXCERPTS:
Hendricks downloaded information from the station's Web site Saturday
night that he and his lawyer said indicated the station was aware of
the event. Howe denied any information touting the event was posted on
the Web site.
The information Hendricks downloaded notes that Caribou Flats has some
trails that provide some "fun driving and mud running" but makes no
mention of a mud fest. The information was not on the site Monday.
Howe said station employees who attended saw no private-property signs.
He also said the area is a "well-known Jeeping area" and that Hendricks
has previously allowed off-road vehicles onto the site.
Hendricks has never allowed anyone to four-wheel through the wetland or
around his property, his lawyer, John Henderson, said....
Off-road vehicle trails and roads in the area are clearly marked and
most off-road users comply with the law, said Paul Krisanits, law
enforcement ranger for the Boulder ranger district of the Arapaho-
Roosevelt National Forest. The Calais property also is clearly marked
as private land, he said.
"We've had places in the district where a vehicle or a couple of
vehicles have gone off-road and caused a little damage. But we've never
had anything of this scale," said Krisanits, who inspected the damage
Monday. "This is at the expense of the environment and someone's
private-property rights."
Dan Duncan
> All amusing and really juvenile Ben, but good FM radio is good music -
> not an accelerated version of Halloween pranks and personality
> aggrandizement.
Funny, I thought radio was an audio medium meant to interest listeners
whether it be music, news, sports, weather, or talk. Just because
it's FM doesn't mean it's intended for music. The higher audio quality
is certainly sought by music stations but that doesn't mean other
stations with the money and close-in audience can't have it.
Music used to be a small part of what played on the radio, after all.
Most people today seem to think that's all it's good for.
A pity, really.
> Those of us who were around for the early days of KFML and the
> "cleansing of the airwaves" before KBPI came into being, or the later AM
> incarnation of KFML are witness to unique times of real music.
> Some of us recall KAZY, nee KLZ, and the real FM battle for musical
> superiority.
> Names like Jim Sprinkle and Ginger resonate.
Some recall radio before the days of TV and can answer questions
about what evil lurks in the hearts of men and "Who was that
masked man?" What's your point?
> "FM - no staic at all"
> somebody wise once penned.
I hear static on FM from time to time. When is that digital
satellite music going to become popular?
-DanD
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Maraya
> Some recall radio before the days of TV and can answer questions
> about what evil lurks in the hearts of men and "Who was that
> masked man?" What's your point?
Are you one of those people? I thought you were younger than that.
Maraya
Dan Duncan
While I did listen to those radio programs in my youth, they
were rebroadcast and considered oldies.
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Maraya
> While I did listen to those radio programs in my youth, they
> were rebroadcast and considered oldies.
I see. You had good taste in your youth.
Maraya
Dan Duncan
I still do.
I always got on better with the parents of people my own age.
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Maraya
>
> Maraya <mar...@uswest.net> wrote:
> >> While I did listen to those radio programs in my youth, they
> >> were rebroadcast and considered oldies.
>
> > I see. You had good taste in your youth.
>
> I still do.
>
> I always got on better with the parents of people my own age.
Better than what? Do you get on well with people your own age?
Maraya
chris
Ben Cantrick wrote:
> In article <8qp6la$beg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <chris...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> Willy is a white-trash Tennessee redneck, and personally I can't
> >> think of a better person to have on Denver radio. If it weren't for
> >> Willy (and formerly, Howard Stern) radio in this town would have
> >> absolutely no personality at all.
> >
> >All amusing and really juvenile Ben, but good FM radio is good music -
> >not an accelerated version of Halloween pranks and personality
> >aggrandizement.
>
> It's all entertainment. Look down on the low-brow stuff if you
> like, but a lot of people are listening.
Hey, myself included at times. And I simply don't like it interfering with a
decent music station. It would seem there are sufficient "shock jocks"
available to fill a single syndicated feed. Get Stern, Imus, Rome, et. al.
together on one network - watch the revenues roll.
> >That's the same attitude that legitimizes garbage like the couch
> >burnings in Ft. Fun and the continued idiocy on the Hill.
>
> Hm, a bit different. For one, I don't think Willy's ever done
> anything to harm or endanger anyone. Or cause a true public nuisance.
It's the coarsening of overall perceptions that accelerates this type of thing
- that's my assertion.
> He also doesn't hypocritically claim to have any kind of political
> issue he's fighting for... unlike certain trust-fund baby morons.
What, Is Stern taking on some new angle?
> >This may come as a surprise, if not a pre-birth reminder, but Denver has
> >had and did evince *great* music radio long before on air practical
> >jokes competed with decent music for the microphone.
>
> Reminisce about the good ol' days all you want; I'm fighting in
> the here and now to keep the few worthy things I find on the radio,
> on the radio.
I guess I will reminisce about the "good old days" - both because they were
that "good" and as well because there is a lesson to be learned from the less
restrictive formatting that went on then and the deleterious effect
programming consultants have had on radio in the past decade or so. Automation
was bad enough in the small markets, but these LA types who sell demographics
and content packages at outrageous prices are constricting the creative
impetus right out of FM.
> >And as the Peak went latino it is no disgrace the BCO presnets an
> >intergenerational play list.
> >
> >Cheap shock jock parlor shenannagins suitable for Letterman are dilutive
> >of real FM.
> >
> >"FM - no staic at all"
>
> And this is exactly the attitude I'm fighting.
If you saw the movie of the same name you might get the reference.
> If I wanted to listen
> to offend no-one crap all day, I know where to find it. At 97.3 FM.
Well if the mix isn't your favorite than KTCL is a bit edgier. My contention
though is that the "shock jocks" aren't all that good for those of us who like
to hear real music.
Frankly the entire point will become moot when people begin using the
satellite delivered radio systems. Yes, it's pay as you go, but the purported
diversity should be stunning.
Anymore I've got my DSS piped through the home simply because they offer
continuous sectored channels that I can alter to fit my tastes. Of course
there are no front or back sells, so lacking a screen it's tough to know
what's playing at any given time - still, beats commercials.
> -Ben "Fear of a bland planet" Cantrick
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Ben Cantrick
>> It's all entertainment. Look down on the low-brow stuff if you
>> like, but a lot of people are listening.
>
>Hey, myself included at times. And I simply don't like it interfering with a
>decent music station. It would seem there are sufficient "shock jocks"
>available to fill a single syndicated feed. Get Stern, Imus, Rome, et. al.
>together on one network - watch the revenues roll.
That's an excellent idea, and I wish some radio station in Denver -
any radio station - had the balls to do it. Unfortunatly, I suspect
none of them do. And there is the root of the problem.
We need microbroadcasting. Badly.
>> >That's the same attitude that legitimizes garbage like the couch
>> >burnings in Ft. Fun and the continued idiocy on the Hill.
>>
>> Hm, a bit different. For one, I don't think Willy's ever done
>> anything to harm or endanger anyone. Or cause a true public nuisance.
>
>It's the coarsening of overall perceptions that accelerates this type of
>thing - that's my assertion.
I'd definitely have to take issue with that assertion. It's too
reminiscent of the old "He's corrupting the youth! Quick, get the hemlock!"
I can only take so much old-fogey finger-wagging "when I was your
age" stuff before I start rolling my eyes. Too many people these days
seem to want to blame movies or music for other people's actions.
>> He also doesn't hypocritically claim to have any kind of political
>> issue he's fighting for... unlike certain trust-fund baby morons.
>
>What, Is Stern taking on some new angle?
Maybe. I don't know, since I can't easily listen to the Howard Stern
show anymore. ;]
Nah, I was talking about the kids who start riots up on the hill.
Buncha wankers.
>I guess I will reminisce about the "good old days" - both because they were
>that "good" and as well because there is a lesson to be learned from the less
>restrictive formatting that went on then and the deleterious effect
>programming consultants have had on radio in the past decade or so. Automation
>was bad enough in the small markets, but these LA types who sell demographics
>and content packages at outrageous prices are constricting the creative
>impetus right out of FM.
I totally agree with that. I just don't agree that the solution is
to take the few remaining creative and interesting DJs off the air.
>> And this is exactly the attitude I'm fighting.
>If you saw the movie of the same name you might get the reference.
Which one's that? I'll put it on my list of movies to see.
>> If I wanted to listen
>> to offend no-one crap all day, I know where to find it. At 97.3 FM.
>
>Well if the mix isn't your favorite than KTCL is a bit edgier.
Not even gonna comment on THAT one. ;]
Oh hell, sure I will... If you'll forgive my rather stereotypical
and crude assessment, KTCL plays chick rock. I have yet to hear any
kind of real metal on KTCL. BPI at least will occasionally play some
Type O Negative, and although Metallica is tremendously overplayed
they also go out of their way to play that too.
About the only good song KTCL ever plays is "Da Funk" by Daft Punk.
At least they try and play some more diverse stuff with Electronic Air,
but they stuff it way down in the schedule at midnight on Saturday. Just
like BPI hides The Pit away at midnight. It's pretty obvious who controls
the radio station - advertisers who want to pander to the lowest
common denominator and never play anything interesting that might
alienate anyone for even a second.
>My contention though is that the "shock jocks" aren't all that good for
>those of us who like to hear real music.
Well, shock jocks certanly aren't music, and so they're keeping
music (real or otherwise) off the airwaves when their shows run. So
to that extent I agree. But I'm not sure that shock-jock DJs somehow
automatically make a station bad. As you mentioned above, what's killed
decent radio is the prevelance of canned formats, reinforced by
the total domination of the entire radio industry in this two by
the two major media corporations (Chancellor Media and JACOR).
>Frankly the entire point will become moot when people begin using the
>satellite delivered radio systems. Yes, it's pay as you go, but the purported
>diversity should be stunning.
59 channels and nothin' on...
-Ben
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chris
Dan Duncan wrote:
> chris...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > All amusing and really juvenile Ben, but good FM radio is good music -
> > not an accelerated version of Halloween pranks and personality
> > aggrandizement.
>
> Funny, I thought radio was an audio medium meant to interest listeners
> whether it be music, news, sports, weather, or talk.
Radio indeed is.
> Just because
> it's FM doesn't mean it's intended for music.
Well to be factual Dan when FM first became mass market it was generally seen
as a haven for classical and jazz music buffs to hear concerts with greater
fidelity. You may be aware that only in the past few years has talk pounced on
the FM scene.
> The higher audio quality
> is certainly sought by music stations but that doesn't mean other
> stations with the money and close-in audience can't have it.
True enough.
> Music used to be a small part of what played on the radio, after all.
> Most people today seem to think that's all it's good for.
>
> A pity, really.
There I agree, but as an active world bander I would. However I do think the
overall trend in FM toward packaged consultant led formatting is stifling. And
I personally don't have much patience for shock jocks obviating good musical
content with their shtick. Put 'em all on one network and let 'em have their
format is my take.
> > Those of us who were around for the early days of KFML and the
> > "cleansing of the airwaves" before KBPI came into being, or the later AM
> > incarnation of KFML are witness to unique times of real music.
>
> > Some of us recall KAZY, nee KLZ, and the real FM battle for musical
> > superiority.
>
> > Names like Jim Sprinkle and Ginger resonate.
>
> Some recall radio before the days of TV and can answer questions
> about what evil lurks in the hearts of men and "Who was that
> masked man?" What's your point?
Well I will note that "Old Time Radio" with John Dunning was a favorite of
mine also - alas gone and of course E.G. Marshall's great intro for "Radio
Mystery Theater". But one can still hear classic radio shows on KNX 1070 AM
from Los Angeles each night at 10 pm Mt..
My point was. just as we had classic big band and comedy and drama radio from
years past, so also did we have a period of great alternative FM in Denver.
> > "FM - no staic at all"
> > somebody wise once penned.
>
> I hear static on FM from time to time.
Depends on how good your ears are at picking up picket fencing.
> When is that digital
> satellite music going to become popular?
I love the choice on my DSS. The two systems readying for roll out next year
are coming. GM owns one - forgot who has an equity stake in the other.
Should be interesting.
> -DanD
>
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Ian Firth
> Man, the shit he's done. ;] How about taking a mic down to the
> parking garage and having a bottle-rocket fight with an intern?
[blah, blah]
None of those acts were illegal to the extent of destroying 25 acres of
land.
The land is dead, and will take decades to recover. He started it, he
should be liable. A bottle rocket fight does not have the same
consequences.
I made a nice graphic for those who give a shit about land closures, and
care not for morons like Willie and his group of clueless 4 wheelers.
Feel free to use it however you like.
http://www.rmxc.org/images/kbpi.jpg
http://www.rmxc.org/
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Regards,
Ian Firth
Steve Carnes
> mine also - alas gone
Sunday mornings, KFML. John Dunning and Harry Tuft (owner of the Denver Folklore
Center). Wonderful show, nostalgic, but highly entertaining.
The day KFML went off the air, during Bill Ashford's shift, I believe, was a black
day indeed. Luckily, about that time, KRNW in Boulder (trivia: what did the RNW
stand for? who later bought the frequency?) expanded.
Ben Cantrick
Ian Firth <i...@divsoft.com> wrote:
>In article <8qoia0$m...@flatland.dimensional.com>, mackys...@dim.com
>> parking garage and having a bottle-rocket fight with an intern?
>
>[blah, blah]
>
>None of those acts were illegal to the extent of destroying 25 acres of
>land.
>
>The land is dead, and will take decades to recover. He started it, he
>should be liable. A bottle rocket fight does not have the same
>consequences.
You miss my point. I'm saying KBPI isn't responsible for Willy's
actions. If someone wants to sue him for trespass and wrecking
their land, I say go for it. But don't sue BPI. They were only an
incidental part of it. I doubt the station management would have
allowed him to mention it on the radio if they'd had a chance to
stop him.
>I made a nice graphic for those who give a shit about land closures, and
>care not for morons like Willie and his group of clueless 4 wheelers.
>
>Feel free to use it however you like.
>http://www.rmxc.org/images/kbpi.jpg
>http://www.rmxc.org/
Bahahaha. Great image! The "IQ 67" part is particularly on target.
Just a couple of points to consider before you run off in self-
righteous save the earth mode...
A) It was A MUD PIT. An enourmous mud pit. I can't imagine there
was a ton of stuff to save. It's not like they were running over
red-winged blackbird nests.
B) I'm sure the results look ugly, but the land heals itself very
effectively as long as it's given a chance. Give it two seasons and all
the grass will have grown back and it'll look like new again. I
doubt a one-day event could have caused such significant erosion
as to do any permanant damage.
-Ben
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BGC Nukem: http://www.dim.com/~mackys/bgcnukem.html
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Dan Duncan
> Better than what? Do you get on well with people your own age?
Yes.
-DanD
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# Leave Kevorkian alone.
mb
A) It was not a MUD pit until after they got done with it, it was a
privately owned alpine environment with land that was being regenerated
since the '40's. And there *was* an endangered frog species unique to the
area.
B) It takes more than 2 seasons to redo fragile growth at that altitude,
plus the deep grooves trashed the ground which will not recover ever (even
if there is extensive work done on it.)
I've seen other suvs trash the meadow at the top of the Caribou pass and it
is not a pretty site - just so some asshole can get his jollies riding
around in his big truck. I also saw 4 "dudes" get stuck in the mud 1/4 mile
from my land outside Ward on Cty rd 104J and still looks like hell even
after the county came and pulled them out and regraded the land.
Tom and Tootie Hendricks are devasted by this and luckily they got it on
video and with a camera- so if you guys are out there, beware of the
repurcussions. You better hope the radio station gets all the heat!!!!!!!!!
Ever hear of criminal trespass?????
Moe
Nederland
chris
Ben Cantrick wrote:
> In article <39D1239E...@dog.net>, chris <above> wrote:
> >> It's all entertainment. Look down on the low-brow stuff if you
> >> like, but a lot of people are listening.
> >
> >Hey, myself included at times. And I simply don't like it interfering with a
> >decent music station. It would seem there are sufficient "shock jocks"
> >available to fill a single syndicated feed. Get Stern, Imus, Rome, et. al.
> >together on one network - watch the revenues roll.
>
> That's an excellent idea, and I wish some radio station in Denver -
> any radio station - had the balls to do it. Unfortunatly, I suspect
> none of them do. And there is the root of the problem.
>
> We need microbroadcasting. Badly.
Have you ever looked into low power FM?
The FCC recently relaxed the rules there - and in a population dense are it could
be most interesting.
'Nother fave flic - "Pump Up the Volume".
> >> >That's the same attitude that legitimizes garbage like the couch
> >> >burnings in Ft. Fun and the continued idiocy on the Hill.
> >>
> >> Hm, a bit different. For one, I don't think Willy's ever done
> >> anything to harm or endanger anyone. Or cause a true public nuisance.
> >
> >It's the coarsening of overall perceptions that accelerates this type of
> >thing - that's my assertion.
>
> I'd definitely have to take issue with that assertion.
Ok.
> It's too
> reminiscent of the old "He's corrupting the youth! Quick, get the hemlock!"
> I can only take so much old-fogey finger-wagging "when I was your
> age" stuff before I start rolling my eyes.
Yeah it can be a drag, I mean when I grew up they were still going nuclear over
Elvis' hip shaking on Ed Sullivan. Popular culture is *always* a moving medium. I
was less than impressed tonight to see yet another Senator cajoling the movie
industry with threats of legislation if they didn't toe the line.
But the real answer is - and always has been - self discipline.
Threatening legislation is an admission that pop culture and the diminution of
parental involvement are unwilling dance partners in the loss of values. And those
I define as respect.
> Too many people these days
> seem to want to blame movies or music for other people's actions.
I think that to the extent that there is a stage in any person's life where
imitative behavior forms the learning curve one has to admit that pop culture and
its products in the entertainment medium are culpable. We simply are emulators - as
a species. It's how we learn. It's why child abuse and sexual abuse won't go away.
It's inherent in ever archetype we pay homage to. It's us as a species. And the
creations of the id we choose to loose on our selves are ultimately our
responsibility both collectively and individually. I do not separate the two,
rather I submit that they can not be held apart at the altar of "anything goes" for
too long before actually "anything" does go and we face the action of the
legislative pendulum in opposition thereof.
> >> He also doesn't hypocritically claim to have any kind of political
> >> issue he's fighting for... unlike certain trust-fund baby morons.
> >
> >What, Is Stern taking on some new angle?
>
> Maybe. I don't know, since I can't easily listen to the Howard Stern
> show anymore. ;]
Dang Ben - get a DSS, watch the "E" channel. The televise version has even better
T&A than the radio could ever let one imagine...
> Nah, I was talking about the kids who start riots up on the hill.
> Buncha wankers.
I guess - they don't necessarily inspire as much anger in me as I'd like to
transmit here. Having been both young and really brain dead I know how group
actions can self perpetuate. But the real problem, imo, is in the University's lack
of a decent dorm monitoring policy, and the Greeks they seem to have begun to deal
with.
> >I guess I will reminisce about the "good old days" - both because they were
> >that "good" and as well because there is a lesson to be learned from the less
> >restrictive formatting that went on then and the deleterious effect
> >programming consultants have had on radio in the past decade or so. Automation
> >was bad enough in the small markets, but these LA types who sell demographics
> >and content packages at outrageous prices are constricting the creative
> >impetus right out of FM.
>
> I totally agree with that. I just don't agree that the solution is
> to take the few remaining creative and interesting DJs off the air.
Ok - fair rejoinder.
Maybe we concur that an alternative talk station could be a good home base then...
> >> And this is exactly the attitude I'm fighting.
> >If you saw the movie of the same name you might get the reference.
>
> Which one's that? I'll put it on my list of movies to see.
Oh man - don't hold me to this one. I mentioned "FM" which was a pretty loose
kinda' late '70's take on alternative radio. You might get a bit more run out of
Christian Slater's "Pump Up the Volume", or even "Airheads". Don't know. "FM" will
seem like a too hip version of "WKRP" I fear.
> >> If I wanted to listen
> >> to offend no-one crap all day, I know where to find it. At 97.3 FM.
> >
> >Well if the mix isn't your favorite than KTCL is a bit edgier.
>
> Not even gonna comment on THAT one. ;]
Lol.
> Oh hell, sure I will... If you'll forgive my rather stereotypical
> and crude assessment, KTCL plays chick rock. I have yet to hear any
> kind of real metal on KTCL.
That is true.
> BPI at least will occasionally play some
> Type O Negative, and although Metallica is tremendously overplayed
> they also go out of their way to play that too.
Yep.
> About the only good song KTCL ever plays is "Da Funk" by Daft Punk.
> At least they try and play some more diverse stuff with Electronic Air,
> but they stuff it way down in the schedule at midnight on Saturday. Just
> like BPI hides The Pit away at midnight. It's pretty obvious who controls
> the radio station - advertisers who want to pander to the lowest
> common denominator and never play anything interesting that might
> alienate anyone for even a second.
I don't know if you caught he show PBS had on last week on Radio Pacifica - the
forerunner of alternative radio and community radio in this country. It was really
a gem. I think you'd get a total grin out of how hard the Bay area residents have
fought to keep their multi-cultural voice on the air. And as well the history of
its founder and birth was engrossing. They actually, in them old early days, gave
away rudimentary FM receivers to grow their audience over the old guard AM medium.
Amazing. Don't know if they've got the links still up on that show, but it was well
worth a look.
Back to your point. You are accurate. There is always a hook to the mainstream that
dooms alternate music to the fringes.
Just look at MTV.
Why has it become the hip/hop universe?
Why was "Headbanger's Ball" a Saturday night phenom?
Mass demographics drive the pipeline.
> >My contention though is that the "shock jocks" aren't all that good for
> >those of us who like to hear real music.
>
> Well, shock jocks certanly aren't music, and so they're keeping
> music (real or otherwise) off the airwaves when their shows run. So
> to that extent I agree.
Ok.
> But I'm not sure that shock-jock DJs somehow
> automatically make a station bad.
True.
> As you mentioned above, what's killed
> decent radio is the prevelance of canned formats, reinforced by
> the total domination of the entire radio industry in this two by
> the two major media corporations (Chancellor Media and JACOR).
Do not get me started!
> >Frankly the entire point will become moot when people begin using the
> >satellite delivered radio systems. Yes, it's pay as you go, but the purported
> >diversity should be stunning.
>
> 59 channels and nothin' on...
Rotflmao.
And here I always thought it was "57" - really!
Guess I'd better dust off the old CD's.
> -Ben
> --
> Ben Cantrick (mac...@dim.com) | Yes, the BGC dubs still suck.
> BGC Nukem: http://www.dim.com/~mackys/bgcnukem.html
> The Spamdogs: http://www.dim.com/~mackys/spamdogs
chris
deca...@earthlink.net wrote:
> Anyone remember KFML?
Sure - tell me their AM frequency in the latter days if you can?
chris
Steve Carnes wrote:
> > Well I will note that "Old Time Radio" with John Dunning was a favorite of
> > mine also - alas gone
>
> Sunday mornings, KFML. John Dunning and Harry Tuft (owner of the Denver Folklore
> Center). Wonderful show, nostalgic, but highly entertaining.
Well said!
> The day KFML went off the air, during Bill Ashford's shift, I believe, was a black
> day indeed. Luckily, about that time, KRNW in Boulder (trivia: what did the RNW
> stand for? who later bought the frequency?) expanded.
I should remember - did they become KLMO though?
I think the call sign is in Missouri now.
And hey, let's not forget Will Bill Hartley!
Aozotorp
>Oh yeah?
>A) It was not a MUD pit until after they got done with it, it was a
>privately owned alpine environment with land that was being regenerated
>since the '40's. And there *was* an endangered frog species unique to the
>area.
>B) It takes more than 2 seasons to redo fragile growth at that altitude,
>plus the deep grooves trashed the ground which will not recover ever (even
>if there is extensive work done on it.)
>
>I've seen other suvs trash the meadow at the top of the Caribou pass and it
>is not a pretty site - just so some asshole can get his jollies riding
>around in his big truck. I also saw 4 "dudes" get stuck in the mud 1/4 mile
>from my land outside Ward on Cty rd 104J and still looks like hell even
>after the county came and pulled them out and regraded the land.
>
>Tom and Tootie Hendricks are devasted by this and luckily they got it on
>video and with a camera- so if you guys are out there, beware of the
>repurcussions. You better hope the radio station gets all the heat!!!!!!!!!
>Ever hear of criminal trespass?????
>Moe
>Nederland
Not only that, But the DJ concerned apparently announced this event all week
and even offered maps on the web site to the place of concern! And even if he
went alone, he would have been on private land tearing up the land!
>
>>
>> A) It was A MUD PIT. An enourmous mud pit. I can't imagine there
>>was a ton of stuff to save. It's not like they were running over
>>red-winged blackbird nests.
>>
>> B) I'm sure the results look ugly, but the land heals itself very
>>effectively as long as it's given a chance. Give it two seasons and all
>>the grass will have grown back and it'll look like new again. I
>>doubt a one-day event could have caused such significant erosion
>>as to do any permanant damage.
>>
>>
>> -Ben
>>--
>>Ben Cantrick (mac...@dim.com) | Yes, the BGC dubs still suck.
>>BGC Nukem: http://www.dim.com/~mackys/bgcnukem.html
>>The Spamdogs: http://www.dim.com/~mackys/spamdogs
>>http://www.freecell.minivend.com/rockets/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Ian Firth
says...
> You miss my point. I'm saying KBPI isn't responsible for Willy's
> actions. If someone wants to sue him for trespass and wrecking
> their land, I say go for it. But don't sue BPI. They were only an
> incidental part of it. I doubt the station management would have
> allowed him to mention it on the radio if they'd had a chance to
> stop him.
They could have stopped him anytime, he mentioned it more than once.
He used their bandwidth, I'm sure someone will sue them somehow.
> A) It was A MUD PIT. An enourmous mud pit.
It was a small mud pit surrounded by tundra before they got there.
> B) I'm sure the results look ugly, but the land heals itself very
> effectively as long as it's given a chance.
I've seen tire tracks from one vehicle last 10 years in the San Juans.
> doubt a one-day event could have caused such significant erosion
> as to do any permanant damage.
Not permanent, but it will take a long time.
--
Regards,
Ian Firth
Brown Margaret
> Just a couple of points to consider before you run off in self-
>righteous save the earth mode...
> A) It was A MUD PIT. An enourmous mud pit. I can't imagine there
>was a ton of stuff to save. It's not like they were running over
>red-winged blackbird nests.
Gee, thank you for that pre-destruction wildlife inventory- I'm sure that
we would all be interested in the results- feel free to post them here, so
we can end this debate.
By the way.....If you were less of a moron, you would know that RWBLs
(that's Red-Winged Blackbird, Agelaius phoeniceus) don't nest at that
altitude, or that habitat, (that's why you failed to find them in your
survey) but many other species do. Being so concerned with RWBLs, please
delineate your expertise in this matter, especially in regards to avain
species and nesting habits, as sI always love to talk shop with other
learned professionals. (Did I mention that I did my thesis on comparative
mating habitats and strategies of the RWBL?)
Also, please include any exaustive wildlife inventory analyses that you
have done in this area or similar habitat, since with such authority , you
can't "imagine there was a ton of stuff to save"... can you quantify, or
do you excel in ignorant generalities? How much wrecked habitat equals a
"ton"?
> B) I'm sure the results look ugly, but the land heals itself very
>effectively as long as it's given a chance. Give it two seasons and all
>the grass will have grown back and it'll look like new again.
Again, please cite any studies that quantify 2 seasons "the land
heals itself very effectively"in this habitat type- do you even know what
this habitat type is called?
I
>doubt a one-day event could have caused such significant erosion
>as to do any permanant damage.
And you obviously speak from great knowledge and authority, please don't
hold back.... I can tell you are loaded with knowledgeable opinions.
For your information Mr. Dim.com (sometimes things are so appropriate),
tracks from training maneouvers for WWII can still be seen in the Moab
area, yes, I know, a desert, but that the alpine tundra and the Utah
desert have some things in common- in particular, a thin layer of biotic
soil that takes years to develop, and even more years to support the most
rudimentary plant life, even grass. It's like your skin- if you rip off a
huge swatch, how long will it take you to recover? What should be done to
facilitate this recovery? Do you profess the same diagnostic expertise
here that you do with the land?
Since you will fairly ask for citations, I am happy to provide them, and
will do so as a followup to this post, as the server doesn't allow me to
do 2 things at once (search the library and read/post news
simultaneously), or if it does, I must plead ignorance to how using UNIX.
Following up in 10 minutes....
Maggie
> -Ben
>--
>Ben Cantrick (mac...@dim.com) | Yes, the BGC dubs still suck.
>BGC Nukem: http://www.dim.com/~mackys/bgcnukem.html
>The Spamdogs: http://www.dim.com/~mackys/spamdogs
>http://www.freecell.minivend.com/rockets/
--
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Scott Weiser
wrote:
>In article <MPG.143b26daf...@news.bvrtn1.or.home.com>,
>Ian Firth <i...@divsoft.com> wrote:
>>In article <8qoia0$m...@flatland.dimensional.com>, mackys...@dim.com
>>> Man, the shit he's done. ;] How about taking a mic down to the
>>> parking garage and having a bottle-rocket fight with an intern?
>>
>>[blah, blah]
>>
>>None of those acts were illegal to the extent of destroying 25 acres of
>>land.
>>
>>The land is dead, and will take decades to recover. He started it, he
>>should be liable. A bottle rocket fight does not have the same
>>consequences.
>
> You miss my point. I'm saying KBPI isn't responsible for Willy's
>actions. If someone wants to sue him for trespass and wrecking
>their land, I say go for it. But don't sue BPI. They were only an
>incidental part of it. I doubt the station management would have
>allowed him to mention it on the radio if they'd had a chance to
>stop him.
He is their employee, and as a radio personality, he also is their
"spokesperson" to some extent or other. Legally, they can (and
should) be sued under "respondiat superiori", which means that the
station, as his supervisor, has a legal responsibility to control his
conduct when he is in their employ and is representing them. I think
a jury could reasonably conclude that his invitation was made in the
course of his duties, and thus the radio station should be held
responsible. I certainly hope they fire him forthwith.
This "mudfest" was inexcusable by any interpretation. First and
foremost, this KBPI dickhead *shouldn't have been there in the first
place*, because the property is *marked private property* belonging to
Tom Hendricks. "Willy" had no business going there *himself*, much
less making any sort of invitation, tacit or otherwise, to anyone
else.
But *each and every one* of those jerks who went up there deserves to
be arrested and charged with criminal trespass, because the land *is*
properly posted, and even if it was *public* land, such deliberate
destruction of a wetland would be intolerable.
Nobody with even an iota of common sense who's ever seen the site
(before the damage) could reasonably conclude that it's okay to tear
it up, whether it was public or private property.
And what, exactly, did Willy *do* once all these people started to
show up? Did he try to get them to leave, or stay off private
property? Or was he egging them on and participating? The video I've
seen shows that he was actively participating.
This was a criminally irresponsible act by the KBPI DJ, and both he
and the radio station must be held accountable. It's the moral
equivalent of inciting a riot.
I couldn't possibly be more disgusted, and I won't dignify these
yutzes by calling them anything but what they are....criminals.
>
>>I made a nice graphic for those who give a shit about land closures, and
>>care not for morons like Willie and his group of clueless 4 wheelers.
>>
>>Feel free to use it however you like.
>>http://www.rmxc.org/images/kbpi.jpg
>>http://www.rmxc.org/
>
> Bahahaha. Great image! The "IQ 67" part is particularly on target.
>
> Just a couple of points to consider before you run off in self-
>righteous save the earth mode...
>
> A) It was A MUD PIT. An enourmous mud pit. I can't imagine there
>was a ton of stuff to save. It's not like they were running over
>red-winged blackbird nests.
No, it was a subalpine *wetland* bog, not a "mud pit." It was
vegetated and prime wetland habitat before the idiots arrived. Tom
Hendricks has spent *years* being environmentally responsible in his
hard-rock gold mining efforts, to the point where his mine is held up
by everyone as a shining example of the *right* way to do mineral
extraction. He protected this bog for a long time, and then this
asshole from a radio station has the gall to think he can just drive
up there and *make* a mud pit out of it?
I'd like to send him up there naked with a tablespoon and force him to
fill in *every* rut and hole while I shoot B-B's at his scrotum.
The damage he did to the image of *responsible* back-country drivers
is *incalculable*. You can bet your ass that at every Forest Service
and BLM hearing about road closures on public lands, the enviros will
be displaying billboards and ranting and raving about how destructive
4 wheeling is for the next hundred years. And this time they'll be
right, and those people who are reasonable and responsible and know
how to tread lightly will pay the price for this stupidity for a very,
very long time to come. Unless I miss my guess, this single incident
will spur a large number of trail closures both in Colorado and
elsewhere.
>
> B) I'm sure the results look ugly, but the land heals itself very
>effectively as long as it's given a chance. Give it two seasons and all
>the grass will have grown back and it'll look like new again. I
>doubt a one-day event could have caused such significant erosion
>as to do any permanant damage.
No, it won't. It's a subalpine bog, at high altitude, and it may take
decades, or even a century to fully recover, and it'll only do so if
all the wheel tracks and ruts are smoothed out first, otherwise, the
runoff water, instead of soaking into the bog "sponge" and being held,
filtered and slowed down, will run down the ruts, eroding the bog and
fouling the waters downstream with sediment, until all the runoff
slices through the former wetland in large barren ravines. Then the
bog vegetation will die because it's been dewatered.
It will require some *serious* remediation if the bog is to survive,
and it'll have to be started almost immediately, before freezeup, to
prevent irreversible erosion in the spring.
Those assholes are in for some serious ass-reaming by the local
courts, AND the feds. Both the NFWS and the Corps of Engineers will
get to stick their finger in this pie, and every driver up there may
be subject to federal pen time for both Endangered Species Act and
Clean Water Act violations. And I thought *Texans* were stupid....
It couldn't happen to a better bunch.
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The Pick-em up 4x4 crowd isn't known for their Mensa like qualities ...
>
> And what, exactly, did Willy *do* once all these people started to
> show up? Did he try to get them to leave, or stay off private
> property? Or was he egging them on and participating? The video I've
> seen shows that he was actively participating.
>
> This was a criminally irresponsible act by the KBPI DJ, and both he
> and the radio station must be held accountable. It's the moral
> equivalent of inciting a riot.
>
> I couldn't possibly be more disgusted, and I won't dignify these
> yutzes by calling them anything but what they are....criminals.
>
Do you think there was anyone of "color" there?
Can you spell "white trash" ...?
> >
> >>I made a nice graphic for those who give a shit about land closures, and
> >>care not for morons like Willie and his group of clueless 4 wheelers.
> >>
> >>Feel free to use it however you like.
> >>http://www.rmxc.org/images/kbpi.jpg
> >>http://www.rmxc.org/
> >
> > Bahahaha. Great image! The "IQ 67" part is particularly on target.
> >
> > Just a couple of points to consider before you run off in self-
> >righteous save the earth mode...
> >
> > A) It was A MUD PIT. An enourmous mud pit. I can't imagine there
> >was a ton of stuff to save. It's not like they were running over
> >red-winged blackbird nests.
>
> No, it was a subalpine *wetland* bog, not a "mud pit." It was
> vegetated and prime wetland habitat before the idiots arrived. Tom
> Hendricks has spent *years* being environmentally responsible in his
> hard-rock gold mining efforts, to the point where his mine is held up
> by everyone as a shining example of the *right* way to do mineral
> extraction. He protected this bog for a long time, and then this
> asshole from a radio station has the gall to think he can just drive
> up there and *make* a mud pit out of it?
>
> I'd like to send him up there naked with a tablespoon and force him to
> fill in *every* rut and hole while I shoot B-B's at his scrotum.
Now that IS a very funny visual ...!
rick++
off the land. In hindsight, he should have photographed the license
plates of every vehicle for the police.
With this kind of group, there was probably a fair amount of booze
and guns around (not counting the soldiers who brough their humvees).
ld
they did the flag pole sitting, billboard camp outs. dance marathons &
etc.
Dan Duncan
>> We need microbroadcasting. Badly.
> Have you ever looked into low power FM?
I did that a few years back. Found me a blank spot on the dial,
built me a nice little stereo transmitter, linear amp, and groundplane
antenna, recorded my stuff to hifi VHS (8 hour tapes), and let
'er rip. I didn't find it as satisfying as ham radio because I
didn't get the interaction. I never even sent my own voice out
over the air (didn't have a mixer panel) so there wasn't a way
for anyone to contact me and tell me I was great/boring/lame/fair.
Of course now that I have MP3 and a 24/7 internet feed I could
open up a listener request web page and automate the whole thing...
-DanD
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Steve Carnes
> > The day KFML went off the air, during Bill Ashford's shift, I believe, was a black
> > day indeed. Luckily, about that time, KRNW in Boulder (trivia: what did the RNW
> > stand for? who later bought the frequency?) expanded.
>
> I should remember - did they become KLMO though?
>
> I think the call sign is in Missouri now.
RNW was Robert N. Wilkinson (Wilkerson?), who bought the frequency in something like
1952 for a few hundred dollars. Sold it, I believe, to Bob Greenlee for over a mil and
it became KBCO. (Or is this a blatant misrepresentation of actuality?)
Someone else mentioned KIMN from back in my elementary school days, and a 2-transistor
radio under the pillow on the top bunk. Pogo Pogue, Hal "Baby" Moore, and my all-time
favorite Jay "It's a purty little dress I got on, but it's a booger to iron!" Mack.
Heard his voice on some oldies show while browsing the on-sale perennials at Paolino's
yesterday...
Anybody wants a lesson on the power of radio imagery, get the Stan Freberg boxed set.
Dan Duncan
> Well to be factual Dan when FM first became mass market it was generally seen
> as a haven for classical and jazz music buffs to hear concerts with greater
> fidelity. You may be aware that only in the past few years has talk pounced on
> the FM scene.
I could just as easily claim cable is intended for movies, but I wouldn't.
>> I hear static on FM from time to time.
> Depends on how good your ears are at picking up picket fencing.
Or how far away the station is, which is a more common problem for me.
Technology has caught up with me at last and I decommissioned my
homebrew in-car MP3 player and bought the Genica portable unit for $99.
It's great. http://www.mp3discplayers.com/portable.htm
>> When is that digital
>> satellite music going to become popular?
> I love the choice on my DSS. The two systems readying for roll out next year
> are coming. GM owns one - forgot who has an equity stake in the other.
> Should be interesting.
I just upgraded to digital cable on Tuesday. Tivo has been hungrily
gobbling up BBCAmerica for me ever since. I may have to get a second
box for the music selections. Do they still offer the music-only
box with the interactive LCD remote to display info on the current song?
Those were cool.
-DanD
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Spam
>And as the Peak went latino it is no disgrace the BCO presnets an
>intergenerational play list.
Actually, The Peak never went Latino. The sale of the station to
Hispanic Broadcasting Corporation failed to get approval because the
seller, Clear Channel Communications, is part-owner (20%, if I
remember correctly) of HBC.
The station was instead sold to Emmis Communications, and it has just
switched to an Adult Alternative format (with the moniker "The '80s
and Beyond") which is somewhat similar to The Peak's original format,
except that artists such as Phil Collins and Don Henley have been
added.
Spam
> You miss my point. I'm saying KBPI isn't responsible for Willy's
>actions. If someone wants to sue him for trespass and wrecking
>their land, I say go for it. But don't sue BPI. They were only an
>incidental part of it. I doubt the station management would have
>allowed him to mention it on the radio if they'd had a chance to
>stop him.
Actually, Willie B. happens to be the Assistant Program Director at
KBPI.
Marc Callier
<SNIP>
>
> Someone else mentioned KIMN from back in my elementary school days, and a 2-transistor
> radio under the pillow on the top bunk. Pogo Pogue, Hal "Baby" Moore, and my all-time
> favorite Jay "It's a purty little dress I got on, but it's a booger to iron!" Mack.
And who can forget, "She's got legs for modeling hose...FIRE
HOSE."
>
> Anybody wants a lesson on the power of radio imagery, get the Stan Freberg boxed set.
"Ruined a good Kaywoodie, there..."
Thanks for reminding me! :)
--
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Ben Cantrick
Kay... so, following this logic, if I'm the director of a software
project at my company... and I go and release a computer virus
using my company's network... my company is responsible for my actions?
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Spam
>>>actions. If someone wants to sue him for trespass and wrecking
>>>their land, I say go for it. But don't sue BPI. They were only an
>>>incidental part of it. I doubt the station management would have
>>>allowed him to mention it on the radio if they'd had a chance to
>>>stop him.
>>Actually, Willie B. happens to be the Assistant Program Director at
>>KBPI.
> Kay... so, following this logic, if I'm the director of a software
>project at my company... and I go and release a computer virus
>using my company's network... my company is responsible for my actions?
I was not supplying any logic one way or another, nor was I taking a
side in this debate. I merely pointed out that Willie B. is
technically part of the station's management.
Steve Carnes
> "Ruined a good Kaywoodie, there..."
("...perfectly good Kaywoodie...")
Right, "Stan Freberg (modestly) Presents-- The United States of America....the early
years." But I was also thinking of his "St. George and The Dragon" parody of Dragnet, and
the "John...Marcia...John...Marcia..." routine, and the "Yellow Rose of Texas" with the
obnoxious drummer.
Spode5101
"Got change of a Hern?"
All hail Spode!!!
chris
ld wrote:
> kimn 950 am with pogo poge....dandy dan
>
> they did the flag pole sitting, billboard camp outs. dance marathons &
> etc.
Bravo!
chris
Dan Duncan wrote:
> chris <run...@dog.net> wrote:
> >> We need microbroadcasting. Badly.
> > Have you ever looked into low power FM?
>
> I did that a few years back.
Cool.
> Found me a blank spot on the dial,
> built me a nice little stereo transmitter, linear amp, and groundplane
> antenna, recorded my stuff to hifi VHS (8 hour tapes), and let
> 'er rip. I didn't find it as satisfying as ham radio because I
> didn't get the interaction. I never even sent my own voice out
> over the air (didn't have a mixer panel) so there wasn't a way
> for anyone to contact me and tell me I was great/boring/lame/fair.
Too bad - you could have had a taped call for QSO notes to a mail drop.
> Of course now that I have MP3 and a 24/7 internet feed I could
> open up a listener request web page and automate the whole thing...
>
> -DanD
I would think that that really is a big growth area on net radio - haven't
looked that much. But I still love the idea of covering a small regional
area by Fm. There is a station that broadcasts now and then in downtown
Evergreen out of a van, but it seems the signal, constrained as it is by
the canyon, doesn't carry into many of the populated areas up Hwy73/74.
I've found their audio a bit ragged as well - over deviated at times,
muffled at others.
> --
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chris
Steve Carnes wrote:
> chris wrote:
>
> > > The day KFML went off the air, during Bill Ashford's shift, I believe, was a black
> > > day indeed. Luckily, about that time, KRNW in Boulder (trivia: what did the RNW
> > > stand for? who later bought the frequency?) expanded.
> >
> > I should remember - did they become KLMO though?
> >
> > I think the call sign is in Missouri now.
>
> RNW was Robert N. Wilkinson (Wilkerson?), who bought the frequency in something like
> 1952 for a few hundred dollars. Sold it, I believe, to Bob Greenlee for over a mil and
> it became KBCO. (Or is this a blatant misrepresentation of actuality?)
No, I think you're right. Of course the same Greenlee is a well known politico too.
> Someone else mentioned KIMN from back in my elementary school days, and a 2-transistor
> radio under the pillow on the top bunk. Pogo Pogue, Hal "Baby" Moore, and my all-time
> favorite Jay "It's a purty little dress I got on, but it's a booger to iron!" Mack.
> Heard his voice on some oldies show while browsing the on-sale perennials at Paolino's
> yesterday...
Such times - makes me want to hear old Bob Lee again.
> Anybody wants a lesson on the power of radio imagery, get the Stan Freberg boxed set.
Brilliant cite, and I can well remember my old Sears Silvertone AM radio. Seemed that all I
did was eat batteries falling asleep on that thing. Finally one day I found a pretty bird's
egg, wanted to get it home safely. And well...the battery compartment of the radio did have
foam padding. It seemed like a good, safe fit until. Crack. Some weeks later the radio
smelled so fowl I was forced to save up for a new one. Must have been a whole $5.99 at the
time as I recall.
chris
Dan Duncan wrote:
> chris <run...@dog.net> wrote:
> >> Just because
> >> it's FM doesn't mean it's intended for music.
>
> > Well to be factual Dan when FM first became mass market it was generally seen
> > as a haven for classical and jazz music buffs to hear concerts with greater
> > fidelity. You may be aware that only in the past few years has talk pounced on
> > the FM scene.
>
> I could just as easily claim cable is intended for movies, but I wouldn't.
That's valid - we've certainly found new uses for it, even with eh bandwidth
diminution as additional users log on.
> >> I hear static on FM from time to time.
>
> > Depends on how good your ears are at picking up picket fencing.
>
> Or how far away the station is, which is a more common problem for me.
Well a lot of that you can cure with a decent antenna and an amplifier.
> Technology has caught up with me at last and I decommissioned my
> homebrew in-car MP3 player and bought the Genica portable unit for $99.
> It's great. http://www.mp3discplayers.com/portable.htm
Nice url. I've been holding off on one of these for a while, they seem to be getting
cheaper and better all the time.
> >> When is that digital
> >> satellite music going to become popular?
> > I love the choice on my DSS. The two systems readying for roll out next year
> > are coming. GM owns one - forgot who has an equity stake in the other.
> > Should be interesting.
>
> I just upgraded to digital cable on Tuesday. Tivo has been hungrily
> gobbling up BBCAmerica for me ever since.
Curious, did you pay the lifetime subscription fee or opt for the monthly ransom?
Panasonic's Replay offers the service included in the unit price.
> I may have to get a second
> box for the music selections. Do they still offer the music-only
> box with the interactive LCD remote to display info on the current song?
> Those were cool.
That I do not know.
> -DanD
>
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chris
Spam wrote:
Boy howdy - did I ever drop them from my program list. Must have sounded
like Majic or one of the other drip-pop stations I also ignore. Thanks
for the update.
Aozotorp
>In article <39d39d58...@news.mindspring.com>,
>Spam <send-to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>mackys...@dim.com (Ben Cantrick) wrote:
>>>actions. If someone wants to sue him for trespass and wrecking
>>>their land, I say go for it. But don't sue BPI. They were only an
>>>incidental part of it. I doubt the station management would have
>>>allowed him to mention it on the radio if they'd had a chance to
>>>stop him.
>>
>>Actually, Willie B. happens to be the Assistant Program Director at
>>KBPI.
>
> Kay... so, following this logic, if I'm the director of a software
>project at my company... and I go and release a computer virus
>using my company's network... my company is responsible for my actions?
>
>
If you advertise that you are going to do it and leave messages on the
company's web site that you are going to do it = Yes = where were the managers
and owners = absent in mind!
Aozotorp
>
>The owner was apparently out there futilely trying to shout the people
>off the land. In hindsight, he should have photographed the license
>plates of every vehicle for the police.
>
>With this kind of group, there was probably a fair amount of booze
>and guns around (not counting the soldiers who brough their humvees).
>
I understand he took about 50 photos!
Ian Firth
> The Pick-em up 4x4 crowd isn't known for their Mensa like qualities ...
I resent that :(
Our 4X4 club (rmxc.org) consists almost entirely of computer industry
geeks (all members of Tread Lightly).
--
Regards,
Ian Firth
ld
were they on company time when they did this????
if the were on their own time how could thier employer be held responsible???
Am i responsible for my employees when they are not on company time ???
Ben Cantrick
>I was just wondering....
>were they on company time when they did this????
>if the were on their own time how could thier employer be held responsible???
>Am i responsible for my employees when they are not on company time ???
Yes, that's precisely the argument that several people here have been
making.
-Ben
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Dan Duncan
> Curious, did you pay the lifetime subscription fee or opt for the monthly ransom?
> Panasonic's Replay offers the service included in the unit price.
I went for the lifetime subscription.
I also voided my warranty by opening the unit and adding hard drive
capacity so I'm now at 68 hours and 39 minutes capacity which
I find much less restrictive than the original 14 hours.
-DanD
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mattt...@sprynet.com
Dan Duncan <da...@babu.pcisys.net> wrote:
> chris <run...@dog.net> wrote:
> > Curious, did you pay the lifetime subscription fee or opt for the
monthly ransom?
> > Panasonic's Replay offers the service included in the unit price.
>
> I went for the lifetime subscription.
>
> I also voided my warranty by opening the unit and adding hard drive
> capacity so I'm now at 68 hours and 39 minutes capacity which
> I find much less restrictive than the original 14 hours.
>
Be careful once you have upgraded to that level. Make sure to keep the
case well ventilated and in a cool area. The inside of that case gets
HOT. It will drop the MTBF considerably lower than you might imagine.
Matt
(who works with such devices for a living)
> -DanD
>
> --
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> # Buy land. They've stopped making it. -Mark Twain
>
Aozotorp
>In article <39D4BF8A...@uswest.net>, ld <ld...@uswest.net> wrote:
>>I was just wondering....
>>were they on company time when they did this????
>>if the were on their own time how could thier employer be held
>responsible???
>>Am i responsible for my employees when they are not on company time ???
>
> Yes, that's precisely the argument that several people here have been
>making.
>
AKA = Taking responsibility for you actions = not!!!
dessill429
Ian Firth wrote:
Most people belonging to 4x4 clubs are responsible, they started and or
belong to these clubs because their interest in 4x4s goes much further than
seeing how much mud they can get through. The KBPI Wille B. fan club does
promote recklessness. If you listen to the station you will hear very
reckless broadcasting, promoting animal torture, destruction of property,
ect. I listened to him promoting his mudfest, it was very plain that mudfest
involved trespassing, and destruction of property. As far as you go Ian, If I
see 4x4s next to me on the road, and the drivers appear to be a group of
computer industry geeks on their way to do some off roading, I will feel
secure that they know what no trespassing means.
Steve Gombosi
>Tom and Tootie Hendricks are devasted by this and luckily they got it on
>video and with a camera- so if you guys are out there, beware of the
I'm just sorry they didn't have 12 gauge.
Steve
Dan Duncan
> Be careful once you have upgraded to that level. Make sure to keep the
> case well ventilated and in a cool area. The inside of that case gets
> HOT. It will drop the MTBF considerably lower than you might imagine.
Yep. My sparc10 wants to run even hotter than my Tivo does
with a second drive, even though both are designed for
a second drive.
-DanD
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Ben Cantrick
>> In article <39D4BF8A...@uswest.net>, ld <ld...@uswest.net> wrote:
>> >were they on company time when they did this????
>> >if the were on their own time how could thier employer be held responsible???
>> >Am i responsible for my employees when they are not on company time ???
>>
>> making.
>
>i'm not sure of what your saying here
>what you are saying is ..say 2 of my employees went on a weekend binge and ran
>down someone with thier 4x4 walking down the street that i'm responsible for
>their actions???
>
>mmmmm...that sounds a little strange to me
>i always thought that what they did on thier own time was thier own business
I'm saying that I agree with you, and those people are dumb. I think
that an employer's responsibility for an employee definitely ends when
they leave the job.
-Ben
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chris
Dan Duncan wrote:
> chris <run...@dog.net> wrote:
> > Curious, did you pay the lifetime subscription fee or opt for the monthly ransom?
> > Panasonic's Replay offers the service included in the unit price.
>
> I went for the lifetime subscription.
Ok.
> I also voided my warranty by opening the unit and adding hard drive
> capacity so I'm now at 68 hours and 39 minutes capacity which
> I find much less restrictive than the original 14 hours.
I think they're both up to 30 now, and with that serial port it shouldn't be too hard
to add a Jazz drive and create a library - no?
> -DanD
>
> --
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ld
Ben Cantrick wrote:
> In article <39D4BF8A...@uswest.net>, ld <ld...@uswest.net> wrote:
> >I was just wondering....
> >were they on company time when they did this????
> >if the were on their own time how could thier employer be held responsible???
> >Am i responsible for my employees when they are not on company time ???
>
> Yes, that's precisely the argument that several people here have been
> making.
>
> -Ben
ld
Ben Cantrick wrote:
> In article <39D54490...@uswest.net>, ld <ld...@uswest.net> wrote:
> >> In article <39D4BF8A...@uswest.net>, ld <ld...@uswest.net> wrote:
> >> >I was just wondering....
> >> >were they on company time when they did this????
> >> >if the were on their own time how could thier employer be held responsible???
> >> >Am i responsible for my employees when they are not on company time ???
> >>
> >> Yes, that's precisely the argument that several people here have been
> >> making.
> >
> >Ben ...
> >i'm not sure of what your saying here
> >what you are saying is ..say 2 of my employees went on a weekend binge and ran
> >down someone with thier 4x4 walking down the street that i'm responsible for
> >their actions???
> >
> >mmmmm...that sounds a little strange to me
> >i always thought that what they did on thier own time was thier own business
>
> I'm saying that I agree with you, and those people are dumb. I think
> that an employer's responsibility for an employee definitely ends when
> they leave the job.
>
> -Ben
Sorry for the misunderstanding.....
ld
Dan Duncan
> I think they're both up to 30 now, and with that serial port it shouldn't be too hard
> to add a Jazz drive and create a library - no?
Stuff like that is in the works. The serial port is limited to 115.2k
so you couldn't use it for realtime playback but you could easily
archive with it. It would probably work best running PPP or SLIP
over the port and then you could just mount up the drive with NFS
or samba.
We've talked about this stuff quite a bit on avsforum.
-DanD
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chris
Dan Duncan wrote:
> chris <run...@dog.net> wrote:
> > I think they're both up to 30 now, and with that serial port it shouldn't be too hard
> > to add a Jazz drive and create a library - no?
>
> Stuff like that is in the works. The serial port is limited to 115.2k
> so you couldn't use it for realtime playback but you could easily
> archive with it.
Ah hah - that's what I was hoping, thanks for confirming it.
> It would probably work best running PPP or SLIP
> over the port and then you could just mount up the drive with NFS
> or samba.
Not familiar with the last 2 - maybe I should read a bit more on the subject.
> We've talked about this stuff quite a bit on avsforum.
Trouble you for a location on that?
chris
Dan Duncan wrote:
> chris <run...@dog.net> wrote:
> >> It would probably work best running PPP or SLIP
> >> over the port and then you could just mount up the drive with NFS
> >> or samba.
>
> > Not familiar with the last 2 - maybe I should read a bit more on the subject.
>
> NFS is network filesystem, mostly used in unix/linux. Samba is a unix/linux
> package to let it mount/share drives with Windoze.
Thanks Dan, I'm not up on linux yet - save for the basics. Guess the penguin and I
will meet some day.
> >> We've talked about this stuff quite a bit on avsforum.
>
> > Trouble you for a location on that?
>
Appreciate it - book marked!
>
>
> -DanD
>
> --
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> # Just because everything is different doesnt mean anything has changed.
> # SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ORACLE
Dan Duncan
>> It would probably work best running PPP or SLIP
>> over the port and then you could just mount up the drive with NFS
>> or samba.
> Not familiar with the last 2 - maybe I should read a bit more on the subject.
NFS is network filesystem, mostly used in unix/linux. Samba is a unix/linux
package to let it mount/share drives with Windoze.
>> We've talked about this stuff quite a bit on avsforum.
> Trouble you for a location on that?
-DanD
Maraya
> Fact is that the vast, vast majority of off-roaders are quite
> responsible and care as much about the land they seek to enjoy as the
> floorwax sniffer who started this thread likes to brag he is.
You may be right about the majority of off-roaders, but they were not
bad-mouthed as a group by the person who started this thread - just the
activity. It's sad to see you lower yourself to the level of the
insufferable troll who coined that ad hominem. Really surprises me, Scott.
Maraya
Ben Cantrick
Scott Weiser <wei...@dimensional.com> wrote:
>It' s my understanding that employers are responsible for, for
>example, workmans's comp claims which are made by employees who are
>injured in "off duty" situations which were not technically during
>their work time, but occurred when they were taking part in some
>activitiy which was sponsored or authorized by the company, if their
>activities were as representatives of the company.
>
>Further, an employer who "authorizes" his employees to do some act
>outside normal work hours takes on some legal liabilities for the
>actions of that employee.
And that's the crux of it. I don't think BPI would have allowed
Willie to advertise this thing on the air if they had known he was
doing so. But they didn't know, and didn't have a chance to object,
and so aren't responsible.
-Ben
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Scott Weiser
wrote:
>
>Scott Weiser <wei...@dimensional.com> wrote in message
>news:39e1cab4...@news.dimensional.com...
>> On 27 Sep 2000 08:59:50 -0600, mackys...@dim.com (Ben Cantrick)
>> wrote:
>> Nobody with even an iota of common sense who's ever seen the site
>> (before the damage) could reasonably conclude that it's okay to tear
>> it up, whether it was public or private property.
>
>The Pick-em up 4x4 crowd isn't known for their Mensa like qualities ...
You're unfairly stereotyping the "4x4 crowd", of whom I am one, and
there are more than a few Mensans who drive 4x4's. There are tens of
millions of people who drive 4x4's, and many millions who are
responsible off-roaders. This example found perhaps 200, so I'd say
that in reality, such jerks are in the very, very small minority. If
they were the majority, we would be having such "events" every
weekend. We don't find that happening, now do we? In fact, it's the
very rarity of this event that disproves your statement.
Fact is that the vast, vast majority of off-roaders are quite
responsible and care as much about the land they seek to enjoy as the
floorwax sniffer who started this thread likes to brag he is.
Scott Weiser
>I was just wondering....
>were they on company time when they did this????
Evidently not, if you ask them, but given the context of their
enticement, which was done while they *were* on the job, the station I
believe has some legal liability.
>if the were on their own time how could thier employer be held responsible???
Because the "event" was advertised on the radio station, during the
DJ's work time.
>
>Am i responsible for my employees when they are not on company time ???
Yes, if you authorize them to use your company name to sponsor an
illegal event of some kind, as the radio station did.
Scott Weiser
wrote:
>In article <39D54490...@uswest.net>, ld <ld...@uswest.net> wrote:
>>> In article <39D4BF8A...@uswest.net>, ld <ld...@uswest.net> wrote:
>>> >I was just wondering....
>>> >were they on company time when they did this????
>>> >if the were on their own time how could thier employer be held responsible???
>>> >Am i responsible for my employees when they are not on company time ???
>>>
>>> Yes, that's precisely the argument that several people here have been
>>> making.
>>
>>Ben ...
>>i'm not sure of what your saying here
>>what you are saying is ..say 2 of my employees went on a weekend binge and ran
>>down someone with thier 4x4 walking down the street that i'm responsible for
>>their actions???
>>
>>mmmmm...that sounds a little strange to me
>>i always thought that what they did on thier own time was thier own business
>
> I'm saying that I agree with you, and those people are dumb. I think
>that an employer's responsibility for an employee definitely ends when
>they leave the job.
It' s my understanding that employers are responsible for, for
example, workmans's comp claims which are made by employees who are
injured in "off duty" situations which were not technically during
their work time, but occurred when they were taking part in some
activitiy which was sponsored or authorized by the company, if their
activities were as representatives of the company.
Further, an employer who "authorizes" his employees to do some act
outside normal work hours takes on some legal liabilities for the
actions of that employee.
--
Scott Weiser
wrote:
>In article <39d39d58...@news.mindspring.com>,
>Spam <send-to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>mackys...@dim.com (Ben Cantrick) wrote:
>>> You miss my point. I'm saying KBPI isn't responsible for Willy's
>>>actions. If someone wants to sue him for trespass and wrecking
>>>their land, I say go for it. But don't sue BPI. They were only an
>>>incidental part of it. I doubt the station management would have
>>>allowed him to mention it on the radio if they'd had a chance to
>>>stop him.
>>
>>Actually, Willie B. happens to be the Assistant Program Director at
>>KBPI.
>
> Kay... so, following this logic, if I'm the director of a software
>project at my company... and I go and release a computer virus
>using my company's network... my company is responsible for my actions?
Yes, if your company either authorizes you to do so, or acts
negligently to prevent you from doing so using company resources when
they had knowledge that you were going to do so.
It depends on what your company knew and when they knew it.
Aozotorp
>>example, workmans's comp claims which are made by employees who are
>>injured in "off duty" situations which were not technically during
>>their work time, but occurred when they were taking part in some
>>activitiy which was sponsored or authorized by the company, if their
>>activities were as representatives of the company.
>>
>>Further, an employer who "authorizes" his employees to do some act
>>outside normal work hours takes on some legal liabilities for the
>>actions of that employee.
>
>Willie to advertise this thing on the air if they had known he was
>doing so. But they didn't know, and didn't have a chance to object,
>and so aren't responsible.
>
>
Or they did not realize the implications of what was being said or of the
extent of the damage that would be caused! Than you back track. Make
statements that make you look good. And promise to help. And we will see if
they are just waiting for the heat to go away!
Greg Hastings
YES, they were on company time when they promoted what they were going to
do!
chris
Maraya wrote:
> Scott Weiser wrote:
>
> > Fact is that the vast, vast majority of off-roaders are quite
> > responsible and care as much about the land they seek to enjoy as the
> > floorwax sniffer who started this thread likes to brag he is.
>
> You may be right about the majority of off-roaders, but they were not
> bad-mouthed as a group by the person who started this thread - just the
> activity.
Trying to separate the activity from of off-roading the participants then? Fact
is a slur was made.
> It's sad to see you lower yourself to the level of the
> insufferable troll who coined that ad hominem.
Gee, I think "mom" is disappointed in you Scott - we can't have that now can
we?
> Really surprises me, Scott.
>
> Maraya
Nothing you do surprises me.
Ben Cantrick
>Hello? How is cash going to be rolling in? From bumper sticker sales?
No, I imagine it'd be advertising, just like any other radio station.
>What sorts of companies would want their ad on such a station? Maybe
>Harley Davidson? Maybe not! They don't want to be associated with any
>station that is getting sued
Way to make up shit as you go along! How, exactly, is a station going
to be sued for airing Howard Stern? Get FCC fines, maybe. But sued?
You're kidding, right? How fast would that one get thrown out of
court.
"Your honor, the prosecution accuses the defendant of exercising
their First Amendment rights! Throw the book at them, your honor!"
>for fear they will also be implicated somehow and that causes a negative
>flow of cash. I would imagine that there would be people like me that
>would boycott all advertisers on a station like that.
Yeah, that's exactly why you're the problem.
>Companies don't want to make enemies, they want sales but they also
>don't want enemies.
Great analysis of corporate strategy there. Did you graduate from
Harvard's business school?
>I don't think causing mahem is a positive direction for radio to be
>going in either.
"Causing mayhem"... Exactly how is airing Howard Stern going to
cause mayhem?
Oh, I forgot - airing anything, any time, that isn't so bland and
sanitized so that it offends and challenges NOBODY is irresponsible
and a menace to the very survival of the planet! SOOOO sorry about the
misunderstanding!
-Ben
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Down, not across...
Ben Cantrick
>>> > A) It was A MUD PIT. An enourmous mud pit. I can't imagine there
> >> >was a ton of stuff to save. It's not like they were running over
> >> >red-winged blackbird nests.
>
>golf course destroy the environment?"
Easy, it sucks up tremendous quantaties of water in a massively
inefficient manner. Just like your lawn, only much larger.
>Well it was a mud pit to you. It was a mud pit to KBPI (and those other
>people who decided to drive through it). However to some of the
>creatures that may have been living there at the time that was their
>home.
The evidence we've seen thus far suggests that there were some
frogs living there. At least, that was what a study done 6 years
ago said. I've heard rumors of birds, but I've not seen any
backup for that.
Which is not to say we should go around casually tearing up frog's
homes. I think they have a right to a nice, cozy mudpit to live in.
Sounds like frog bliss. But my point was that people blew this
thing far out of proportion. And most of them are being hypocritical
in doing so. This doesn't make their facts wrong - indeed they have
a point. But it does make their self-righteous fury and conciet
seem just a wee bit ridiculous.
>How would you like it if we all just declared your home a "mud pit" and
>decided to drive a bunch of 4 wheelers through it?
I think I'd probably prosecute you for trespassing, which is exactly
what's happening to Willie and some of the other mudfesters. I've
got no problem with him getting popped for trespass. He threw a
party on someone else's property - in someone else's house, as it
were - without their permission. And that ain't cool.
>Also I would have liked to have seen the mud pit before it was
>destroyed, I bet I could have described exactly why it was not just a
>mud pit to you.
I think you would have found that it was a mud pit...
-Ben
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I can't remember if I'm the good twin or the evil one.
clar...@my-deja.com
> >available to fill a single syndicated feed. Get Stern, Imus, Rome,
et. al.
> >together on one network - watch the revenues roll.
>
> That's an excellent idea, and I wish some radio station in Denver -
> any radio station - had the balls to do it. Unfortunatly, I suspect
> none of them do. And there is the root of the problem.
Hello? How is cash going to be rolling in? From bumper sticker sales?
What sorts of companies would want their ad on such a station? Maybe
Harley Davidson? Maybe not! They don't want to be associated with any
station that is getting sued for fear they will also be implicated
somehow and that causes a negative flow of cash. I would imagine that
there would be people like me that would boycott all advertisers on a
station like that. Companies don't want to make enemies, they want
sales but they also don't want enemies.
I don't think causing mahem is a positive direction for radio to be
going in either.
clar...@my-deja.com
>> > A) It was A MUD PIT. An enourmous mud pit. I can't imagine there
>> >was a ton of stuff to save. It's not like they were running over
>> >red-winged blackbird nests.
You are probably one of those people who say things like, "How does a
golf course destroy the environment?"
Well it was a mud pit to you. It was a mud pit to KBPI (and those other
people who decided to drive through it). However to some of the
creatures that may have been living there at the time that was their
home.
How would you like it if we all just declared your home a "mud pit" and
decided to drive a bunch of 4 wheelers through it?
Also I would have liked to have seen the mud pit before it was
destroyed, I bet I could have described exactly why it was not just a
mud pit to you.
clar...@my-deja.com
> I'm saying that I agree with you, and those people are dumb. I think
> that an employer's responsibility for an employee definitely ends when
> they leave the job.
I think the whole thing about "Who is Responsible" is a moot point. The
thing is, it was broadcast on KBPI. KBPI now has to deal with the
boycott and the exodus of their sponsors. And the sponsors have to deal
with the lost revenue caused by the boycott.
The ONLY way KBPI can save face on this is to discipline the guy somehow
and claim they are complete morons and don't know what is going on at
their own station. Which is complete BS by the way. They knew, they
always do. But they may actually be complete morons.
clar...@my-deja.com
>
> Which is not to say we should go around casually tearing up frog's
> homes. I think they have a right to a nice, cozy mudpit to live in.
> Sounds like frog bliss. But my point was that people blew this
> thing far out of proportion. And most of them are being hypocritical
> in doing so. This doesn't make their facts wrong - indeed they have
> a point. But it does make their self-righteous fury and conciet
> seem just a wee bit ridiculous.
Okay so you seem to know a bit about the subject. The toads in question
really are endangered though, less than 1000 of them are still in
existence. These toads used to be abundant in Colorado and they are
dying because of some sort of fungal disease -- and it doesn't help that
man is destroying their habitat.
clar...@my-deja.com
chris
clar...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > >available to fill a single syndicated feed. Get Stern, Imus, Rome,
> et. al.
> > >together on one network - watch the revenues roll.
> >
> > That's an excellent idea, and I wish some radio station in Denver -
> > any radio station - had the balls to do it. Unfortunatly, I suspect
> > none of them do. And there is the root of the problem.
>
> Hello? How is cash going to be rolling in? From bumper sticker sales?
Study the national numbers. These guys are cash generators. The station has
no overhead (on air employees), the local placement ads return cash.
That's why syndication is big.
> What sorts of companies would want their ad on such a station? Maybe
> Harley Davidson? Maybe not! They don't want to be associated with any
> station that is getting sued for fear they will also be implicated
> somehow and that causes a negative flow of cash.
I have not heard of any stations getting sued for what Rome or Imus offer.
> I would imagine that
> there would be people like me that would boycott all advertisers on a
> station like that. Companies don't want to make enemies, they want
> sales but they also don't want enemies.
So how do these guys stay on the air?
> I don't think causing mahem is a positive direction for radio to be
> going in either.
In the Willie B. case - you're right.
ld
when are you going to its natural state???
Ben Cantrick
>http://www.westweird.com/mudfest.html
I still love that "IQ 67 - KBPI Wrecks the Rockies" image. Someone
ought to make and sell stickers, they'd be rolling in it!
-Ben
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clar...@my-deja.com
> how much of the enviroment was distroyed for your house and lawn????
> when are you going to its natural state???
Probably about the same as yours. I think it's natural state is so far
gone that I couldn't get it back if I tried, I know for a fact that
many of the species that probably inhabited this land are extinct by
now, not to mention the humans either. But of course what is natural?
I don't have Kentucky grass or anything though. Why do you ask? Am I
supposed to feel guily now because I live in a house?
Come on you can do better than that can't you? Living in a house isn't
the same as taking a big enormous truck and tearing up 25 acres of
wetland for fun. I think you are missing the obvious difference here.
If I live in a house I am destroying the natural state of the land.
However I can limit my destruction to the rest of the remaining land by
choosing to NOT drive a big truck all over wetlands with posted no
trespassing signs.
clar...@my-deja.com
average IQ at the event.
In article <8rqpb5$h...@flatland.dimensional.com>,
Marc Callier
> I think you would have found that it was a mud pit...
>
As someone who has walked up to the site, in the past, on the
Forest Service road from the township of Eldora, I can assure you
that it wasn't a "mud pit". It was a wetland.
And, maybe I haven't seen all the messages in this thread, there
are many animals living in the area, not just the endangered
Boreal toads. We have encountered many different bird species,
seen evidence of fox, watched numerous squirrels and chipmunks,
seen rabbit tracks in the snow, and probably only scratched the
surface of the catalog of vertebrate life forms.
--
Marc Callier
Ben Cantrick
Where is this place, anyway? I wanted to look for myself, so last
weekend I drove my motorcycle all the way up to the Calais Silver
mine buildings. But I still I couldn't find the site. Any clues?
And forgive me for being cynical, but fox, chipmunks and rabbits,
as far as I know, do not live in the mud. They like the forrest a
lot better. Similiar for birds. (Though I wouldn't be surprised to
hear about one or two species that like the mud.)
-Ben
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I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 20 years.
Marc Callier
> Where is this place, anyway? I wanted to look for myself, so last
> weekend I drove my motorcycle all the way up to the Calais Silver
> mine buildings. But I still I couldn't find the site. Any clues?
>
> And forgive me for being cynical, but fox, chipmunks and rabbits,
> as far as I know, do not live in the mud. They like the forrest a
> lot better. Similiar for birds. (Though I wouldn't be surprised to
> hear about one or two species that like the mud.)
>
Well, second matter first; while chpmunks et al may not live in
mudpits or even wetlands, when a nearby structure (the wetland)
is destroyed it does have an effect on the surrounding area. And
that effect is not positive. And contrary to your surmise, birds
love wetlands as they are usually rich in easily obtained
nutrition ( insects, other invertebrates, and the endangered
toads, themselves <gr>).
As to "where it is" I'll have to admit to being geographically
challenged. I'm not sure how to get "there" from the Peak to
Peak. But if you don't mind a 5 mile hoof, walk up behnid the
Gold Miner Hotel in Eldora, jog north and then east and you'll
catch the Forest Service road ( which was closed to vehicle
traffic last time I was up there) and walk about 5 miles and
you'll be there. I'm assuming that the area is the wetland
adjacent the old Caribou town site. (Maybe I should have put in
that disclaimer when I so positively stated that it wasn't a
"mudpit". I guess my netcredibility may suffer.)
--
mc
Mark Castleman
cal...@spot.colorado.edu wrote on 10/9/00 11:14 AM:
{Habitat Info Snipped}
> As to "where it is" I'll have to admit to being geographically
> challenged. I'm not sure how to get "there" from the Peak to
> Peak. But if you don't mind a 5 mile hoof, walk up behnid the
> Gold Miner Hotel in Eldora, jog north and then east and you'll
> catch the Forest Service road ( which was closed to vehicle
> traffic last time I was up there) and walk about 5 miles and
> you'll be there. I'm assuming that the area is the wetland
> adjacent the old Caribou town site. (Maybe I should have put in
> that disclaimer when I so positively stated that it wasn't a
> "mudpit". I guess my netcredibility may suffer.)
> --
> mc
This area (which Tom Hendricks told my group when we went up there for a
tour) is a peat bog, which was mined for peat during the heyday of the town
of Caribou.
To get there go to Caribou (or what's left of it) FR 550 (or 505, I don't
have my good map handy) bears to the right. About 10m later it forks again.
The left fork goes around the mountain and ends up in Eldora. This is a
challenging Jeep trail if you like that sort of thing. The other branch
heads down the hill and Caribou Park will be on the left after about 2km.
the road continues on to Rainbow Lakes campground, and is a less challenging
4wd trail (I've driven this one in a Grand Cherokee with no problems, just
go slow [not much choice there] and stay on the road).
--
Mark W. Castleman
Physics Teacher, Boulder High School
Boulder, CO
http://bvsd.k12.co.us/~castlema
Steve Carnes
> The other branch
> heads down the hill and Caribou Park will be on the left after about 2km.
> the road continues on to Rainbow Lakes campground,
I'd always heard it referred to as Caribou Flats. In the early 80s there was a
rusting crane in the middle of things, a relic, I guess, of that peat mining
industry.
Mark Castleman
sca...@advtech.uswest.com wrote on 10/9/00 3:14 PM:
The steamshovel remains were still there 2 years ago.
The USGS map shows the area as Caribou Park, but I know I've seen it called
Caribou Flats somewhere.