Marxists seek expansion of Medicare as a "public ( government ) option"
Devil's Advocate
- Karl Marx
Per http://www.usdebtclock.org/
the current UNFUNDED LIABILITIES for medicare and Rx drugs are CURRENTLY
OVER $92 TRILLION!
And they want to expand it to cover everyone?
These people are INSANE! STOP THEM BEFORE THEY DESTROY THE UNITED
STATES!!!
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/us_health_care_overhaul/2009/12/07/2954
76.html
Senate Dems Seek Expansion of Medicare, Medicaid
Monday, December 7, 2009 6:21 PM
WASHINGTON -- Senate Democratic liberals are seeking expansion of two
large federal programs, Medicare and Medicaid, in exchange for dropping
a government-sold insurance option from healthcare legislation sought by
President Barack Obama, several lawmakers said Monday.
Under the potential trade-off with party moderates, near-retirees
beginning at age 55 or 60 who lack affordable insurance would be
permitted to purchase coverage under Medicare, which generally provides
medical care beginning at 65. Medicaid, the federal-state health care
program for the poor, would be open to all comers under 300 percent of
poverty, or slightly over $66,000 for a family of four.
Senators and aides said the changes have been discussed extensively in
recent days as a small group of moderate and liberal Democrats search
for a middle ground to assure passage of the bill atop Obama's domestic
agenda.
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Given the complexities of the two programs, and the White House's goal
of passing legislation by year's end, it wasn't clear whether the
negotiations would ultimately prove successful, or whether they merely
were a last stab by liberals to salvage some concession in a monthslong
debate.
As the search for compromise intensifies, several Democrats said a plan
by Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., was receiving new interest. It gives
states an option to negotiate with private industry to provide group
coverage for lower income residents. Currently, the bill allows that for
any state's residents up to twice the federal poverty level, about
$44,000 for a family of four, but that could be raised if negotiators
decide they want to do so.
"There's push and pull," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., who has been
involved in the discussions. "We have to find the right balance that
satisfies the party as to how much government involvement there should
be and how much private involvement."
"Obviously the different wings of the part have different views," he
added.
Democrats need 60 votes to pass their bill over Republican objections,
and while liberals far outnumber moderates inside the party, they appear
at least four votes short of the number needed. That gives moderates
such as Sens. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana,
Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Joe Lieberman, an independent from
Connecticut, key leverage as the White House and Senate Majority Leader
Harry Reid, D-Nev., try to complete work on the bill.
At its core, the legislation is designed to expand coverage to more than
30 million who lack it, while curbing controversial insurance industry
practices and generally restraining the growth of medical spending.
Several party officials said the negotiations involving the two wings of
the Democratic caucus had given Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., a newly
prominent role on the healthcare legislation, and he has held several
meetings in recent days designed to facilitate a compromise. Pryor
represents his state in the Senate with Lincoln, who faces a difficult
re-election challenge in 2010.
The closed-door talks have proceeded while Republicans on the Senate
floor have mounted a series of politically charged challenges to the
healthcare bill. Whatever the long-term political impact, they so far
they have failed to win any major changes.
The latest such maneuver came when the Senate rejected an attempt by
Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., to prevent Medicare from "being raided" to pay
for healthcare. The vote was 43-56. The bill calls for cuts totaling
$460 billion over a decade from projected Medicare spending, much of
which would be used to provide subsidies to help lower- and middle-
income Americans purchase healthcare.
Another contentious issue is slated for a vote Tuesday, when
conservatives from both parties try to stiffen abortion restrictions in
the legislation.
As drafted, the bill requires insurance companies to offer policies that
both provide and lack abortion coverage in any state where they offer
coverage under a new marketplace where consumers would shop for
government-regulated insurance policies.
Any consumer who receives federal subsidies to defray the cost of
insurance would be required to use personal funds to pay for abortions,
except in cases of rape, incest or if the life of the mother was in
jeopardy.
Conservatives led by Nelson and Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, want to ban any
insurance plan from providing most abortions if any of their
policyholders receive a federal subsidy, a stronger restriction that is
more in line with the provisions in the House-passed bill.
While the proposed change enjoys bipartisan support, it is unlikely to
command the 60 votes needed to prevail.
It was unclear in advance of the vote whether abortion opponents would
make another attempt if their first one failed, or whether the issue
would be laid aside until any House-Senate negotiations on a compromise.
Both on and off the Senate floor, the healthcare debate has become
intensely political.
Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican Party, demanded an apology
from Reid during the day after the majority leader criticized critics
favoring a slower, more incremental approach to healthcare.
"You think you've heard these same excuses before? You're right. In this
country there were those who dug in their heels and said, 'Slow down,
it's too early. Let's wait. Things aren't bad enough.' � about
slavery," Reid said.
Steele said if Reid won't apologize, "Democrats must immediately
reconsider his fitness to lead them."
Jim Manley, a spokesman for Reid, said in response, "Today's feigned
outrage is nothing but a ploy to distract from the fact they
(Republicans) have no plan to lower the cost of healthcare, stop
insurance company abuses or protect Medicare."
Virgil
"Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx> wrote:
> These people are INSANE! STOP THEM BEFORE THEY DESTROY THE UNITED
> STATES!!!
You reactionaries are more of a threat to the health of the US than
those who want to bring American Health Care forward out of the
ninteenth century.
Lamont Cranston
You don't even know what a Marxist is.
Devil's Advocate
I'm all for that, just dont destroy the United States while doing so.
Communism doesnt work!
Devil's Advocate
> Devil's Advocate wrote:
>
> You don't even know what a Marxist is.
>
In a nutshell:
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
- Karl Marx
The very philosophy of the progressive Democrats and Obama regime.
Virgil
"Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx> wrote:
> Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote :
>
> > In article <FoadnTJrAbWtR4DW...@forethought.net>,
> > "Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> These people are INSANE! STOP THEM BEFORE THEY DESTROY THE UNITED
> >> STATES!!!
> >
> >
> > You reactionaries are more of a threat to the health of the US than
> > those who want to bring American Health Care forward out of the
> > ninteenth century.
> >
>
> I'm all for that, just dont destroy the United States while doing so.
>
> Communism doesnt work!
There are lots of nations now which have much better health care systems
than we do.
And it is only massive vote buying by special interest groups like the
health insurance companies which is keeping it that way.
Virgil
"Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx> wrote:
A philosophy borrowed from Jesus.
The evil in Marxism is not in that philosophy as much as in the means
usually employed in support of it.
Devil's Advocate
Jesus advocated volunteerism, not totalitarian dictatorship!
Virgil
Then we better keep those facist republicans out of office.
Jamir Quay
What will 30 million new patients mean to a system unprepared to treat them?
How many trillion more $$ of debt can we afford?
What MORON thinks that government can deliver better health care the an
the private sector?
Were you raised in barn?
Jamir Quay
> Devil's Advocate wrote:
>
> You don't even know what a Marxist is.
Nice of you to demonstrate how one thinks for us...
Jamir Quay
> In article <Maednc4MU7XiA4PW...@forethought.net>,
> "Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx> wrote:
>
>> Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote :
>>
>>> In article <FoadnTJrAbWtR4DW...@forethought.net>,
>>> "Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> These people are INSANE! STOP THEM BEFORE THEY DESTROY THE UNITED
>>>> STATES!!!
>>>
>>> You reactionaries are more of a threat to the health of the US than
>>> those who want to bring American Health Care forward out of the
>>> ninteenth century.
>>>
>> I'm all for that, just dont destroy the United States while doing so.
>>
>> Communism doesnt work!
>
> There are lots of nations now which have much better health care systems
> than we do.
Is that why Canada is moving to privatize in its Western provinces?
> And it is only massive vote buying by special interest groups like the
> health insurance companies which is keeping it that way.
Thankfully!
Jamir Quay
> In article <MaednckMU7U2A4PW...@forethought.net>,
> "Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx> wrote:
>
>> "Lamont Cranston" <Lamont....@Shadow.com> wrote :
>>
>>> Devil's Advocate wrote:
>>>
>>> You don't even know what a Marxist is.
>>>
>> In a nutshell:
>>
>> "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
>> - Karl Marx
>>
>> The very philosophy of the progressive Democrats and Obama regime.
>
> A philosophy borrowed from Jesus.
A lie invented by running dog pinkos.
> The evil in Marxism is not in that philosophy
BULLSHIT!
> as much as in the means
> usually employed in support of it.
Take your commie ass and fuck off out of here.
Jamir Quay
Thank you.
Sounds more like a compassionate conservative to me, clearly a
faith-based agenda...
Jamir Quay
> In article <MaednckMU7U2A4PW...@forethought.net>,
> "Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Devil's Advocate wrote:
>>>
>>> You don't even know what a Marxist is.
>>>
>> In a nutshell:
>>
>> "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
>> - Karl Marx
>
>
Your stupidity precedes you, as always.
Jamir Quay
Oh?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,418884,00.html
WASHINGTON � President Bush challenged the nation Monday to rekindle
the volunteer spirit it had after the worst terrorist attacks in U.S.
history, when people rushed to help others however they could.
"The truth of the matter is, the farther we've gotten away from 9/11,
that memory has begun to fade," Bush told an audience of volunteers on
the South Lawn.
"And some are saying, 'Well maybe I don't need to volunteer. Maybe the
crisis has passed.' The aftermath of 9/11 isn't nearly as intense as it
was," Bush said. "My call to people is, there's always a need. You
should be volunteering not because of 9/11; you should be volunteering
because our country needs you."
Bush spent most of his comments praising the strength of volunteerism
around the country. But his call to service, coming on the week of the
seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, underscored
worries that volunteering can tend to drop off after big tragedies.
The White House event also gave Bush a platform to tout what aides say
is a little-known part of his legacy.
In 2002, Bush created USA Freedom Corps, a program that helps connect
people to volunteer opportunities. It also helps bolster the many
national service programs that existed before he took office. Since
then, the White House says, the number of volunteers has jumped by more
than 1 million people.
Juan
> <nothing>
You know, it's farm animals like your wife that cause global warming.
LOL!
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 9, 4:51 pm, Jamir Quay <s...@00.ter> wrote:
>> <nothing>
>
About your divorce?
Yes.
http://www.itpreport.com/upload/Juan_Jimenez_200x150.jpg
Sheesh, even a lowly Polack dumped your lard ass...
Lamont Cranston
Oh, how clever.
Jamir Quay
No, by any measure you are not.