Boss Challenge II (boss 5)

[reckoner]

Here's some tips for Boss5.

There's two methods to doing lots of damage: slowdown

and scatter. Both rely on the keeping the boss and

goblin from proccing since that will remove your buffs

(PD celebrate, for example).

Scatter method:

You will need at least one hero with very high scatter

(7 or 8), with other heroes having a decent amount of

scatter, or somewhere in between. For example, one

hero with scatter 8 and others with scatter 3, or two 

heroes with scatter 6 and others with 3, etc. I don't

know the exact numbers, so you will need to 

experiment with your own heroes to see if you have

enough scatter.

You will also need a tank, possibly with lifedrain

and/or dmg reduction (example: Dread Drake with

life drain and/or goblet artifact). Drop your tank, let

the bosses start moving towards it, then drop the

rest of your heroes. You may need to have some

heroes attack each boss. If done correctly, neither

boss should ever proc.

Heroes... don't use heroes that do damage-over-

time, like Ghoulem, Santa, Vlad, Immortep,

Snowzilla, etc., unless you have high enough

scatters. They will just fill up the bosses' energy

and counteract your scatter. PK is a great choice

because of his energy reduction and high DPS.

Harpy and Molt are good at slowing down the

bosses'  attack and debuffing their damage. Aries

is nice, especially in the beginning when

Guardian Angel wears off, at silencing the procs.

PD is a must, possibly with Cupid or Val.

There are many other options for heroes, it just

depends on which heroes/skills/talents/crests/artifacts

you have. I haven't been able to get this to work

since i don't have a high enough scatter team.

example video (not mine):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euNuZON1a5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23B2-llaBus

Slowdown Method 1 (insta-slow):

In this method, the bosses never reach any of

your heroes. You need high enough revitalize

and/or luck with immediate slowdown procs.

Drop 1 ranged hero, and as soon as the bosses

move towards it, drop everyone else, possibly

with some heroes hitting each boss. If you have

enough slowdown, you can keep them from

reaching your "tank", while you continuously

hit them.

Suggested heroes... Ice Demon, Warlock,

Harpy, Snowzilla, Santa, Molt, Orksbane,

Frost Witch, Siren. All of these will slow the

enemy. Use slowdown crests to stack on

even more slow (except on Siren or any

heroes that have slowdown as a main talent,

obviously). Note that in the above list,

ID, Ork and FW do not have cooldowns so

their proc effects can stack on themselves

(i believe SZ has a CD that's as long as his

proc so it can stay active almost all the time

if he is gaining energy fast enough, and HQ

has a short CD). Also note that FW, and

Siren with her inherent slowdown5, will only

slow down the target they are hitting, while

the other heroes have procs that will slow

multiple targets.

PD is required, of course, and if it doesn't

have very high Berzerk, you will probably need

Cupid or Val as well.

example video (not mine):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSa2-tycemM

this guy doesn't last the full 3 minutes but you

can at least see how he drops his heroes, and

how he lasts a good amount of time before

dying.

Slowdown Method 2 (PD revive):

This is probably the easiest method to get working.

Use PD with revive, plus 5 heroes that have

ranged attack and as much slowdown effects as

possible. See the suggested hero list in

Slowdown Method 1 above, for suggestions.

Drop PD, let the bosses aggro onto him, then

drop your other (ranged) heroes on the other side

of the bosses. Activate Guardian Angel. Once

your PD dies, the bosses should aggro onto one

of your ranged heroes. PD will revive, and

hopefully by this time the bosses have been

slowed enough so that they will never reach their

next target, and you will continue to do lots of

damage.

It can be a little tricky to get this to work because

the drop placement does matter. Sometimes

after PD revives, one of the bosses will target

him instead of another hero. Also, the attack

range of your ranged heroes does matter... the

longer their range, the more distance the

bosses will have to move to reach them after they

kill PD the first time. For example, SZ would not

be preferred here because his range is 1. WL has

range 4, HQ range 3, etc.

This is the method I've been using, and if I'm able

to last the full 3 minutes, I do about 190mil

damage. Here's my heroes right now:

PD 9/10 revit4 revive2 blitz5

Aries 9/10 revit5 slow3 lightning5

WL 8/10 enlighten3 slow3 goblet5

HQ 8/10 scatter4 slow3 eye5

Val 8/10 revit4 slow3

ID 7/10 scatter4 slow3

I'm using Aries to help get PD stacks going in

the beginning, since the bosses remove buffs

if they proc. The scatter, lightning, and goblet

are irrelevant. Eye of Garuda helps with some

additional silence and increased accuracy

(since the goblin has very high dodge %).

Obviously not everyone will have the same

heroes so you will need to experiment and

adjust, until you find a combination that lets

you last for longer and longer amounts of time.

Once you are consistently doing the full 3

minutes, then you can worry about increasing

your damage.

example videos (not mine):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQMPrDBJYjg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgp5kx7kK4I

Additional Notes:

The goblin has a very high dodge %, so using

the Eye of Garuda artifact can be helpful. Also

note that because of the goblin's dodge %,

he will usually not be slowed as much as the

centaur.

I think the scatter method will be easier to do,

and may be more effective, after the centaur is

dead and only the goblin remains. I haven't tried

this myself, though.

Similarly, once the centaur is dead, it may be

preferable to switch out some heroes for 

a stronger single-target slowdown. For example,

using Siren and FW.

I have seen one video of someone using a hybrid

approach... wait for the bosses to separate, drop

a scatter tank (he used Ghoulem) near the

goblin, and then drop slowdown heroes including

PK near the centaur. The goblin never procced

because of the scatter from the tank and PK,

and the centaur never reached the tank because

it was perma-slowed. Similar to the insta-slow

method above, it probably relies on enough

revitalize to slow down the centaur from the

very beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T5odHrFIDc

I wouldn't be surprised if there are other methods

to handling Boss5, so if anyone else has any tips

or information to share, please do.

[reckoner]

more info...

Arctica can freeze both bosses, so it would be

useful in either the slowdown or scatter

methods.

On the IGG forum i read about someone using

a modified version of what i called "Slowdown

Method 2" described in my original post...

Slowdown Method 3 (double revive):

I find this method to be much more reliable

to get going, since the drop placement in

"Slowdown Method 2" does matter, and it

can sometimes be difficult to do properly.

Heroes... just like Slowdown Method 2,

you need a revive PD plus all ranged heroes.

However, one of the ranged heroes needs

revive as well. You still need as much

slowdown as possible.

The drop... first drop your revive ranged

hero away from the bosses on the side

where the goblin is (so the goblin will

reach it before the centaur). As soon as

both bosses start going for your ranged

"tank", drop all other heroes right behind

the centaur, so they all start chasing and

hitting the centaur. Hit Guardian Angel

right before the goblin reaches your

ranged tank.

If done correctly, your ranged tank will

die and revive, then your PD will die and

revive, and hopefully the spacing is just

right and there's enough slowdown so

that neither boss reaches any of your

heroes.

I used the same heroes that I listed in my

original post, except i replaced the 

slowdown crest set on WL with revive,

and used him as my ranged tank.

After the centaur died, slow method 3

didn't seem to work that well on the goblin,

although i only tried it a couple of times. I

switched back to slow method 2 and it

seemed to work better.

Also, I wanted to try using SZ since i

think his proc provides more slowdown

than the other heroes i was using, and

he has much better DPS. Because of his

short attack range, I don't have enough

immediate slowdown and/or strong

enough slowdown to keep the bosses

from reaching him after PD dies. So,

i tried a few runs where i dropped SZ

only after PD died and revived, and

this seemed to work quite well. The

initial drop can be rather tricky,

however, since you need to drop your

heroes (except SZ) and then hit GA

rather quickly. If SZ is not the last

hero on your hero list, this can be

tough to do. I had to use 2 hands but

I did make it happen when only the

goblin remained. I may try it later

when both bosses are alive.

[reckoner]

Slowdown Method 4 (GM tank):

Diss turned me on to this method and

it seems to work pretty well. It had

heard of this before but I previously

thought that scatter was required on

Ghoulem. This is not the case.

Use GM as a tank. It needs the

goblet artifact, and possibly some

lifedrain as well, depending on how

strong your GM is.

Drop GM closer to the goblin. Then

immediately drop your other heroes

on the centaur. It helps if the goblin

and the centaur are farther apart

from each other. Your other heroes

need enough revitalize and enough

slowdown to keep the centaur from

reaching your GM. Also, your GM

needs to be strong enough to

tank the goblin and not die.

This method may be easier to get

going, since revive isn't required

and it doesn't rely on the bosses

re-targeting the right heroes after

your tank(s) revive. Also, your

heroes only need to slow down

the centaur, which is easier since

it doesn't have a high dodge rate.

[Joshua Kyte]

https://youtu.be/h0bbBXm4_WQ is an example of the Slow Down Method. Enjoy

[Rich555]

 

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