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Otto Baade

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Mar 24, 2002, 9:50:48 AM3/24/02
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>
> "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will
> pee on your computer." --Bruce Graham
>
> "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants
> breakfast."--Unknown
>
> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats
> have never forgotten this." --Anonymous
>
> "Cats are smarter than dogs. You can't get eight cats to pull
> a sled through snow." --Jeff Valdez
>
> "In a cat's eye, all things belong to cats."--English proverb
>
> "As every cat owner knows, nobody owns a cat."--Ellen Perry
> Berkeley
>
> "One cat just leads to another."--Ernest Hemingway
>
> "Dogs come when they're called; cats take a message and get
> back to you later."--Mary Bly
>
> "Cats are rather delicate creatures and they are subject to a
> good many ailments, but I never heard of one who suffered from
> insomnia."--Joseph Wood Krutch
>
> "People that hate cats will come back as mice in their next
> life."--Faith Resnick
>
> "There are many intelligent species in the universe. They are
> all owned by cats."--Anonymous
>
> "I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of
> cats is infinitely superior." --Hippolyte Taine
>
> "No heaven will not ever Heaven be; Unless my cats are there
> to welcome me."--Unknown
>
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life:
> music and cats."--Albert Schweitzer
>
> "The cat has too much spirit to have no heart."--Ernest Menaul
>
> "Dogs believe they are human. Cats believe they are God."
>
> "Time spent with cats is never wasted."--Colette
>
> "Some people say that cats are sneaky, evil, and cruel. True,
> and they have many other fine qualities as well."--Missy Dizick
>
> "You will always be lucky if you know how to make friends with
> strange cats."--Colonial American proverb
>
> "Cats seem to go on the principle that it never does any harm
> to ask for what you want."-Joseph Wood Krutch
>
> "I got rid of my husband. The cat was allergic."
>
> "My husband said it was him or the cat ... I miss him
> sometimes."
>
> "Cats aren't clean, they're just covered with cat spit."

Owen Green

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Mar 24, 2002, 10:02:51 AM3/24/02
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Otto Baade <OBA...@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:3c9de73f$1_2@dnews...

> > "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats
> > have never forgotten this." --Anonymous
Terry Pratchett, iirc.


Bogdan Giusca

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Mar 24, 2002, 10:06:22 AM3/24/02
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"Otto Baade" <OBA...@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:3c9de73f$1_2@dnews...
> >
> > <cat quotes>
> >

LOL!! I'll forward it to my cat.

Any other cat owner in this ng?


Owen Green

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Mar 24, 2002, 12:02:36 PM3/24/02
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Bogdan Giusca <sadness[at]cheerful.com> wrote in message
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Not allowed them in the flat :(


Ernest Fairchild

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Mar 24, 2002, 12:08:11 PM3/24/02
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"Bogdan Giusca" <sadness[at]cheerful.com> wrote in message
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>
> LOL!! I'll forward it to my cat.
>
> Any other cat owner in this ng?

I would if I could. I love the little beasts. However, I'd have to pay
something like $100 extra rent per month, and that's not worth it.

Have a great day!

Ernest

_____________________
"The best things in life are free; but you can give them to the birds
and bees: I want money."

Visit my website at http://www.public.asu.edu/~ernestf

Otto Baade

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Mar 24, 2002, 1:36:44 PM3/24/02
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"Bogdan Giusca" wrote in message

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> Any other cat owner in this ng?

Ten here.
I am running the local cathouse.
Otto


Ed Blanchard

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Mar 24, 2002, 1:28:29 PM3/24/02
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In article <3c9deb6f_1@dnews>, "Bogdan Giusca" <sadness[at]cheerful.com>
says...

> Any other cat owner in this ng?
>

Four of them...

EdB

Ralph

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Mar 24, 2002, 1:52:23 PM3/24/02
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Bogdan,

In article <3c9deb6f_1@dnews>, sadness[at]cheerful.com gave tongue to:


> Any other cat owner in this ng?
>

Used to be. Had as many as 4. Pet-free currently.

==
Ralph (A work in progress...)
"Life is like a eighteen speed bike. Most of us have gears we never use."
-- (paraphrased from) Charles Schultz

--


Robert Low

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Mar 24, 2002, 7:20:39 PM3/24/02
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In article <VA.0000034...@programmer.net>, Ralph wrote:
> Bogdan,
>
> In article <3c9deb6f_1@dnews>, sadness[at]cheerful.com gave tongue to:
> > Any other cat owner in this ng?
> >
>
> Used to be. Had as many as 4. Pet-free currently.

That sounds celebratory. Maybe you meant "Pet-bereft" ?? <g>

Bob ;-)

Ralph

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Mar 25, 2002, 3:08:13 AM3/25/02
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Robert,

In article <VA.000017b...@acm.org>, lo...@acm.org gave tongue to:


> That sounds celebratory. Maybe you meant "Pet-bereft" ?? <g>
>

I (we) still get tempted periodically. The limits that pet ownership places on
last-minute travel (the only kind we do outside of our once-a-year sojurn to
the 'States) keep us from taking the step.

BillB

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Mar 25, 2002, 9:44:33 AM3/25/02
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"Brad Clarke" <bgcla...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:06:22 +0200, "Bogdan Giusca"
<sadness[at]cheerful.com>
> Yep. Cutrrently only have one at the moment, as our eldest passed away
about a
> month ago. We are getting one or two more in a couple of months.
>
Yes, two. Love them but they have been neglected since my wife and I had
children. Also in the US the veterinary costs are becoming so high that I
have doubts I would get any more. :(


Mark Lauter

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Mar 25, 2002, 9:43:04 AM3/25/02
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> I (we) still get tempted periodically. The limits that pet ownership
places on
> last-minute travel (the only kind we do outside of our once-a-year sojurn
to
> the 'States) keep us from taking the step.

That's the best part of cats. I can travel up to a week and not even worry
about the little fuzz ball. I have a friend come in and change the water
every day or two. It seems that fresh water is the most important part of
keeping her happy and healthy.

--
Mark Lauter

Focus on the VERBS not the NOUNS.
- Tom Kelly, IDEO


Mark Lauter

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Mar 25, 2002, 9:40:33 AM3/25/02
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> LOL!! I'll forward it to my cat.
>
> Any other cat owner in this ng?

I am owned by a cat if that's what you mean. <g>

GenJerDan

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Mar 25, 2002, 9:51:18 AM3/25/02
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"Mark Lauter" <markl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> That's the best part of cats. I can travel up to a week and not even
worry
> about the little fuzz ball. I have a friend come in and change the water
> every day or two. It seems that fresh water is the most important part of
> keeping her happy and healthy.

Not my cats. They will NOT drink fresh water. Put a nice bowl a clean
water on the floor for them and they'll look at you like you're crazy and
head for the bathtub in hopes that there's a little puddle still there.

Otto Baade

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Mar 25, 2002, 9:55:29 AM3/25/02
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"BillB" wrote >

> Also in the US the veterinary costs are becoming so high that I
> have doubts I would get any more. :(

Yeah, I too have contributed a lot to my vets boot payments.
Otto


Otto Baade

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Mar 25, 2002, 9:58:49 AM3/25/02
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"GenJerDan" wrote

> Not my cats. They will NOT drink fresh water. Put a nice bowl a clean
> water on the floor for them and they'll look at you like you're crazy and
> head for the bathtub in hopes that there's a little puddle still there.

They do seem to like puddles of rain water, old and nicely scummy.
However, licking water straight from the tab is also a favorite.
Otto

Mark Lauter

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Mar 25, 2002, 9:56:23 AM3/25/02
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> > That's the best part of cats. I can travel up to a week and not even
> worry
> > about the little fuzz ball. I have a friend come in and change the
water
> > every day or two. It seems that fresh water is the most important part
of
> > keeping her happy and healthy.
>
> Not my cats. They will NOT drink fresh water. Put a nice bowl a clean
> water on the floor for them and they'll look at you like you're crazy and
> head for the bathtub in hopes that there's a little puddle still there.

Mine loves the tub water too. MMMM soap. Must taste wonderful. <g>

--
Mark Lauter

Focus on the VERBS not the NOUNS.
- Tom Kelly, IDEO

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BillB

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Mar 25, 2002, 10:00:58 AM3/25/02
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"Brad Clarke" <bgcla...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> I know that feeling....we spent over $1600 trying to save our last cat.
>
> Our remaining cat now has health insurance :) $15 a month for a bit of
piece of
> mind.
>
What does that cover and how do you get it?


Deborah Pate (TeamB)

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Mar 25, 2002, 10:08:13 AM3/25/02
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<<GenJerDan:

Put a nice bowl a clean water on the floor for them and
they'll look at you like you're crazy and head for the
bathtub in hopes that there's a little puddle still there.
>>

Cats don't like to drink in the open, or something. When my
mother started hiding the water bowl down the side of the
piano, her cat started drinking from it. :)

--
Deborah Pate

TeamB don't see posts sent via Google or ISPs
Use the real Borland server: newsgroups.borland.com
http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/genl_faqs.html


Otto Baade

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Mar 25, 2002, 10:51:07 AM3/25/02
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"liz albin" wrote

> I didn't know that! (None of mine ever minded)

Well, cats are not all the same.
Even science is coming around to this view:
Several month ago there was an article in Science News
that some researchers now think that cats may have
personalities!
Up to now the assumption was that if you have say
100 one year old female cats they are all the same.
What next, emotions?

Otto


BillB

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Mar 25, 2002, 10:48:05 AM3/25/02
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> >>> Our remaining cat now has health insurance :) $15 a month for a bit
of
> >>piece of
> >>> mind.
> >>>
> >>What does that cover and how do you get it?
> We are in Canada, and get ours through PetCare - http://www.petcare.ca/
>
> There is a link for the US and Canada on the front page..within the site
are
> descriptions of the various plans available. Presently we are getting the
> MasterCare plan for ours.
>
Thanks!


Mark Lauter

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Mar 25, 2002, 11:08:57 AM3/25/02
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> Several month ago there was an article in Science News
> that some researchers now think that cats may have
> personalities!

I could have told the scientists that. I've owned three cats and each of
them was different in almost every way. One would only use the litter box
if it had a lid, one would not use the box with a lid. Solution... two
litter boxes. One would come to anyone who called him by name, another
would only come when you ignored it. The list goes on, but I don't want to
bore you all to death. <g>

GenJerDan

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Mar 25, 2002, 11:00:55 AM3/25/02
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"Deborah Pate (TeamB)" <d.p...@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.uk> wrote in
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> Cats don't like to drink in the open, or something. When my
> mother started hiding the water bowl down the side of the
> piano, her cat started drinking from it. :)

Ditto what Liz said.

With mine, I think it also might be a bit because they were "street cats".

They also tend to be very quiet. It's rare to get any vocalizations out of
them at all, and definitely never a traditional meow.

Brian [TeamD]

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Mar 25, 2002, 1:09:23 PM3/25/02
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GenJerDan was at one time quoted as saying:

I bought one of those indoor fountains for my cat, because he'd only
drink from the sink, the toilet, or from the bottom of the tub. He seems
to like the fountain, and now I never have to leave the sink dripping in
order to keep him watered. <g>
--
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voice recognition unicycle! Many Wurlitzers are missing from my
database! Abandon shop! This is not a daffodil. Repeat: This is
_not_ a daffodil!

liz albin

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Mar 25, 2002, 1:39:24 PM3/25/02
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Brian [TeamD] said,

> I bought one of those indoor fountains for my cat, because he'd only
> drink from the sink, the toilet, or from the bottom of the tub. He seems
> to like the fountain, and now I never have to leave the sink dripping in
> order to keep him watered. <g>


I'd forgotten that! It does seem like many cats (and dogs) like those
fountain things.

--
liz

Brian [TeamD]

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Mar 25, 2002, 1:45:41 PM3/25/02
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liz albin was at one time quoted as saying:

It's funny, because a cat dish that does this same thing is anywhere from
50 to 100 US dollars, and I found a simple little fountain for 20 US
dollars. The cat likes it, and its a cool little addition to the house,
although some of my guests have complained that it makes them take more
trips to the bathroom. <g>

Otto Baade

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Mar 25, 2002, 2:02:49 PM3/25/02
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Do any of your cat stir the water with their paws
and splash it all over the place before drinking?

Otto


Dell Stinnett

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Mar 25, 2002, 2:55:16 PM3/25/02
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> Any other cat owner in this ng?

We are owned by 8 of them!

-Dell


Dell Stinnett

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Mar 25, 2002, 3:01:44 PM3/25/02
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I have a couple that like to drink out of glasses with their paws - stick
paw in, pull it out, lick water off of paw. It's cute to watch but very
annoying because they tend to choose my fresh glass of ice water to do this
in (do you know where those paws have been....YUCK!)

-Dell


Dell Stinnett

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Mar 25, 2002, 3:04:47 PM3/25/02
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Here are two more....

Dogs think men are gods. Cats are not so easily deluded.

Cat law of perversity: If you can't eat it or sleep on it, shred it.

-Dell


GenJerDan

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Mar 25, 2002, 3:14:35 PM3/25/02
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"Otto Baade" <OBA...@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:3c9f73ce$1_1@dnews...

> Do any of your cat stir the water with their paws
> and splash it all over the place before drinking?

Is that what that puddle is? I've always assumed it was accidental.

It's hard to tell with these two. I never catch them doing anything I know
they do.


Loren Pechtel

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Mar 26, 2002, 12:44:58 AM3/26/02
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:51:18 +0100, "GenJerDan" <woj...@genjerdan.com>
wrote:

>Not my cats. They will NOT drink fresh water. Put a nice bowl a clean
>water on the floor for them and they'll look at you like you're crazy and
>head for the bathtub in hopes that there's a little puddle still there.

Observation: Growing up our cats showed a definite preference
for cold water. Give them tap water and as you say they'll go look
for a puddle or a drip. Take the tap water and put it in the fridge
and they're happy with it.

Loren Pechtel

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Mar 26, 2002, 12:44:58 AM3/26/02
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:08:11 -0700, "Ernest Fairchild"
<ern...@delphidude.com> wrote:

>> LOL!! I'll forward it to my cat.
>>

>> Any other cat owner in this ng?
>

>I would if I could. I love the little beasts. However, I'd have to pay
>something like $100 extra rent per month, and that's not worth it.

They're pretty nice little things but I've got a cat-phobic wife.

BillB

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Mar 26, 2002, 7:15:09 AM3/26/02
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Some time after Adam and Eve had been banished from the Garden of Eden and
angel came to God. "We have a problem, since they are on their own now they
need some kind of encouragement to let them know that they are still loved."
"Ok, I have just the thing in mind." God said and then got to work. The end
result was a creature that loved Adam and Eve unconditionally, was happy to
see them at the end of the day and followed them around adoringly waiting
for their attention. "I will call it dog because it is a reflection of me."
And he sent it down.

A little later the angel returned, "We have another problem, since you gave
them that dog they have become impossible. They are beginning to believe
that they can do no wrong since he forgives everything and still adores
them. They are becoming very conceited and proud because of the dog."

"Ok, I have the answer to this problem." Said God and he went back to work.
When he was finished he sent down another companion, only this one did not
adore Adam and Eve. He did not mind them, in fact most of the time he acted
as if they existed only to serve his needs. Adam and Eve were humbled, God
was pleased, the angel was happy and..

The cat, well, the cat just didn't care

Otto Baade

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Mar 26, 2002, 8:19:37 AM3/26/02
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"Loren Pechtel" wrote

> They're pretty nice little things but I've got a cat-phobic wife.

You know, it works both ways:

-> "My husband said it was him or the cat ... I miss him
-> sometimes."

Otto


Lasse Vågsæther Karlsen

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Mar 26, 2002, 9:09:17 AM3/26/02
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Loren Pechtel <lorenp...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> They're pretty nice little things but I've got a cat-phobic wife.

I'm sure the cat wouldn't mind.

--
Lasse Vågsæther Karlsen
PGP KeyID: 0x0270466B

Otto Baade

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Mar 26, 2002, 9:20:18 AM3/26/02
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"Lasse Vågsæther Karlsen" wrote

> I'm sure the cat wouldn't mind.

It seems cats feel an irresistible attraction to the
laps of people who hate them or are allergic.

Otto


Lasse Vågsæther Karlsen

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Mar 26, 2002, 9:22:22 AM3/26/02
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"Otto Baade" <OBA...@mn.rr.com> wrote in news:3ca08317$1_2@dnews:

> It seems cats feel an irresistible attraction to the
> laps of people who hate them or are allergic.

"so he can't stand me, eh? Well, let's see how he likes this for a change"
*purr purr*

Yeah, I've heard that myself :)

BillB

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Mar 26, 2002, 9:33:33 AM3/26/02
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"Otto Baade" <OBA...@mn.rr.com> wrote in message news:3ca08317$1_2@dnews...
Absolutely, proof that the little buggers are telepathic. :)


Rob Claffie

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Mar 26, 2002, 6:28:57 PM3/26/02
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In article <3ca08317$1_2@dnews>, OBA...@mn.rr.com says...

Oh they love me no matter how bad my allergies get.

rob :)

Rob Claffie

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Mar 26, 2002, 6:37:28 PM3/26/02
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In article <4ieu9ukvrlj7h22ub...@4ax.com>,
bgcla...@rogers.com says...
> When we go away we pay a local firm to come in once a day to feed "the kids",
> clean the litter boxes, and play with them for a bit.

So you'd pay to have someone play with your pussies?

rob :)

Loren Pechtel

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Mar 26, 2002, 6:42:21 PM3/26/02
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On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:08:57 -0500, "Mark Lauter"
<markl...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Several month ago there was an article in Science News
>> that some researchers now think that cats may have
>> personalities!
>
>I could have told the scientists that. I've owned three cats and each of
>them was different in almost every way. One would only use the litter box
>if it had a lid, one would not use the box with a lid. Solution... two
>litter boxes. One would come to anyone who called him by name, another
>would only come when you ignored it. The list goes on, but I don't want to
>bore you all to death. <g>

If you forgot to feed mine, she wouldn't say a thing, just locate
the bag, open a neat little hole in it and eat. My mother's would
just make a big protest. Any rule of the house that mine understood
would always be obeyed unless needs overrode it. (Example: Stay off
the counters. If you found her on the counter there was only one
explanation: An empty water dish.) My mother's could never be
trusted like that.

To add something really weird: If she could see my mother, she
would not bat wiggled fingers or the like with her paws, period. If
she could not see my mother she would grab wiggled fingers but without
claws. (Example, fingers stuck under a door.) We had no idea how she
ever got that idea or how to extend it to me.

Brad Clarke

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Mar 26, 2002, 9:45:42 PM3/26/02
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On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:37:28 -0500, "Rob Claffie" <TARD...@REMOVETHISaol.com>
wrote:

Ummmm....the furry ones, yes :)

Brad

liz albin

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Mar 27, 2002, 8:13:46 AM3/27/02
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Rob Claffie said,

> So you'd pay to have someone play with your pussies?

Thank you Rob, I'm glad someone else thought of that. :)
--
liz

Lesley Anne

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Mar 27, 2002, 10:51:01 AM3/27/02
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"Ernest Fairchild" <ern...@delphidude.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Any other cat owner in this ng?
>
> I would if I could. I love the little beasts. However, I'd have
> to pay something like $100 extra rent per month, and that's
> not worth it.

When I had an apartment, I had to pay an additional $100 security deposit in
exchange for the right to have a cat, but that was just a one time thing.
$100 a month sounds excessive.

Lesley Anne


Lesley Anne

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Mar 27, 2002, 10:50:57 AM3/27/02
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"Dell Stinnett" <dell.s...@zcsterling.com> wrote in message
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> I have a couple that like to drink out of glasses with their paws
> - stick paw in, pull it out, lick water off of paw. It's cute to
> watch but very annoying because they tend to choose my fresh
> glass of ice water to do this in

I used to have a cat who would do that with milk, but I don't think she ever
did just for water.

Lesley Anne


Otto Baade

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Mar 27, 2002, 11:10:25 AM3/27/02
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"Brad Clarke" wrote

> Ummmm....the furry ones, yes :)

That does not solve the ambiguity.

Otto


liz albin

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Mar 27, 2002, 11:44:39 AM3/27/02
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Otto Baade said,

> That does not solve the ambiguity.

Nor would "unfurry" (given that there are more or less hairless
pussies of both sorts
--
liz

Otto Baade

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Mar 27, 2002, 12:27:16 PM3/27/02
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"liz albin" wrote

> Nor would "unfurry" (given that there are more or less hairless
> pussies of both sorts

and there are shaved cats
Otto


liz albin

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Mar 27, 2002, 1:03:24 PM3/27/02
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Otto Baade said,

>
> and there are shaved cats
>
I was not specifying how the hair went away :)
--
liz

Rob Claffie

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Mar 27, 2002, 4:03:33 PM3/27/02
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In article <MPG.170b8f97e...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
liza...@yahooNOTTHIS.com says...

> Rob Claffie said,
> > So you'd pay to have someone play with your pussies?
>
> Thank you Rob, I'm glad someone else thought of that. :)
>
I've been duly affected thanks to "Are You Being Served?" Mrs Slocombe's
pussy gets everywhere.

rob :)

Michael Warner

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Mar 28, 2002, 11:10:10 AM3/28/02
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On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:44:39 -0500, liz albin
<liza...@yahooNOTTHIS.com> wrote:

>Nor would "unfurry" (given that there are more or less hairless
>pussies of both sorts

Some think there should be more :-)

liz albin

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Mar 28, 2002, 12:23:05 PM3/28/02
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Michael Warner said,

> >Nor would "unfurry" (given that there are more or less hairless
> >pussies of both sorts
>
> Some think there should be more :-)

More pussies? More sorts of pussies? More hair? More pussy (or
pussies) for themselves?

<s>
--
liz

BillB

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Mar 28, 2002, 1:05:15 PM3/28/02
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"liz albin" <liza...@yahoo.NotThis.com> wrote in message
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Yes. :)


Loren Pechtel

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On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:50:57 -0500, "Lesley Anne"
<lab...@snetnsa.com> wrote:

>> I have a couple that like to drink out of glasses with their paws
>> - stick paw in, pull it out, lick water off of paw. It's cute to
>> watch but very annoying because they tend to choose my fresh
>> glass of ice water to do this in
>
>I used to have a cat who would do that with milk, but I don't think she ever
>did just for water.

My wife grew up in China where milk wasn't common--she didn't
know of cats fondness for milk. She was quite upset when she found my
mother's cat doing that to her glass of milk.

Michael Warner

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Mar 29, 2002, 12:08:31 PM3/29/02
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On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:44:56 -0800, Loren Pechtel
<lorenp...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> My wife grew up in China where milk wasn't common--she didn't
>know of cats fondness for milk. She was quite upset when she found my
>mother's cat doing that to her glass of milk.

Quite a few cats are intolerant of cow's milk - it gives them the
runs.

Ernest Fairchild

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"Michael Warner" <mvw@remove_this.ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Quite a few cats are intolerant of cow's milk - it gives them the
> runs.

I don't believe in lactose intolerance, either in humans OR animals.
It sounds like a made-up thing to me. JMO.

Have a great day!

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Ralph

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Mar 30, 2002, 3:29:28 AM3/30/02
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Ernest,

In article <3ca54980$1_2@dnews>, ern...@delphidude.com gave tongue to:


> I don't believe in lactose intolerance, either in humans OR animals.
>

Are you serious? If so, you are seriously ill-informed.

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Michael Warner

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Mar 30, 2002, 4:38:36 AM3/30/02
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On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:12:22 -0700, "Ernest Fairchild"
<ern...@delphidude.com> wrote:

>I don't believe in lactose intolerance, either in humans OR animals.
>It sounds like a made-up thing to me. JMO.

No, it's not, it's simple science. Many humans, particularly Asians,
lack the lactase enzyme needed to break down lactose, and it causes
serious digestive problems as a result. Ditto for animals.

BTW, many dairy products give me diaorrhea and stomach cramps, but
I've never been tested for lactose intolerance. It wasn't a problem
when I was a kid, so it's unlikely.

Otto Baade

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Mar 30, 2002, 10:46:24 AM3/30/02
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"Ernest Fairchild" wrote

>
> I don't believe in lactose intolerance, either in humans OR animals.

You don't have to believe, you can smell it.
Otto


Ernest Fairchild

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Mar 30, 2002, 12:05:01 PM3/30/02
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"Ralph" <ralphf...@programmer.net> wrote in message
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> Ernest,

> > I don't believe in lactose intolerance, either in humans OR
animals.
>
> Are you serious? If so, you are seriously ill-informed.

Why is it then that this suddenly became a "big problem" only within
the last few years. Before that, no one ever heard of it. It's silly.

Deborah Pate (TeamB)

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Mar 30, 2002, 12:25:24 PM3/30/02
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<<Ernest Fairchild:

Why is it then that this suddenly became a "big problem"
only within the last few years. Before that, no one ever
heard of it. It's silly.
>>

Is AIDS a made-up thing because it was only discovered in
recent years?

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Robert Low

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Mar 30, 2002, 1:10:38 PM3/30/02
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In article <th1bausons8ile9ip...@4ax.com>, Michael Warner
wrote:
>
< snip >

>
> BTW, many dairy products give me diaorrhea and stomach cramps, but
> I've never been tested for lactose intolerance. It wasn't a problem
> when I was a kid, so it's unlikely.

Not entirely true. The enzyme is a byproduct of a colony of bacteria.
If you don't eat milk, or ice cream for an extended period of time,
the colony can die out -- so even if it was OK when you were a kid,
it may no longer be.

Bob ;-)

Michael Warner

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Mar 30, 2002, 1:14:44 PM3/30/02
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On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:05:01 -0700, "Ernest Fairchild"
<ern...@delphidude.com> wrote:

>Why is it then that this suddenly became a "big problem" only within
>the last few years.

Health problems which have been ignored or misdiagnosed in the past
are becoming better understood all the time. Part of this process is
giving them accurate names.

I'm not aware that lactose intolerance was a recent discovery - I'm
sure I've known of it for many years - but I'll take your word for it
that it's been a well-kept secret in the US.

Ralph

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Mar 30, 2002, 1:32:41 PM3/30/02
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Ernest,

In article <3ca5f086$1_1@dnews>, ern...@delphidude.com gave tongue to:


> Why is it then that this suddenly became a "big problem" only within
> the last few years.
>

It was a big problem in 1971-1972 when my 2nd daughter was born, so I don't
know where you've been.

Ralph

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Michael,

In article <44vbauoa42s2kmi2p...@4ax.com>,
mvw@remove_this.ozemail.com.au gave tongue to:


> I'm not aware that lactose intolerance was a recent discovery - I'm
> sure I've known of it for many years - but I'll take your word for it
> that it's been a well-kept secret in the US.
>

He is absolutely incorrect about that. My younger daughter was diagnosed as
lactose intolerant shortly after she was born in 1971. It was a known problem
at that time.

Michael Warner

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Mar 30, 2002, 1:50:47 PM3/30/02
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On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:10:38 PST, Robert Low <lo...@acm.org> wrote:

>Not entirely true. The enzyme is a byproduct of a colony of bacteria.
>If you don't eat milk, or ice cream for an extended period of time,
>the colony can die out -- so even if it was OK when you were a kid,
>it may no longer be.

Good point. I gave it up as an experiment to see if it would help my
guts, but I'd never abstained before. But I've certainly become more
sensitive to it since, so perhaps I really am intolerant now. Oddly,
yoghurt and cheese don't give me any grief at all.

Robert Low

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Mar 30, 2002, 6:16:04 PM3/30/02
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In article <552cau0tm3qu22qk9...@4ax.com>, Michael Warner
wrote:

Yoghurt and many cheeses aren't made of cow's milk. Parmesan etc,
come from goats milk -- which items don't have lactose to be intolerant
of ... <g>

Bob ;-)

Otto Baade

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Mar 30, 2002, 6:32:24 PM3/30/02
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"Robert Low" wrote

>
> Yoghurt and many cheeses aren't made of cow's milk.

I am pretty sure that yogurt is made almost exclusively
from cows milk, in the US and Europe.
I checked a couple of cartons I had on hand:
Old Home lists just milk, if it was not cow milk I think
it would say so.
Seven Stars Farm Organic yogurt specifically mentioned
Hand selected Guernsey cows.

I think it is the culture that makes the difference.

Otto


Robert Low

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Mar 31, 2002, 2:03:26 AM3/31/02
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In article <3ca64a7a$1_1@dnews>, Otto Baade wrote:
> "Robert Low" wrote
> >
> > Yoghurt and many cheeses aren't made of cow's milk.
>
> I am pretty sure that yogurt is made almost exclusively
> from cows milk, in the US and Europe.
> I checked a couple of cartons I had on hand:
> Old Home lists just milk, if it was not cow milk I think
> it would say so.
> Seven Stars Farm Organic yogurt specifically mentioned
> Hand selected Guernsey cows.

Must be debased stuff -- I'm sure the original (Mongolian)
recipe was with mare's milk or maybe goats, I don't think
they were running beef at the time ... BICBW!

> I think it is the culture that makes the difference.

Quite possible. Bacteriums are unpredictable critters ...
(not having studied them!)

Bob ;-)

Ralph

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Mar 31, 2002, 3:01:13 AM3/31/02
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Otto,

In article <3ca64a7a$1_1@dnews>, OBA...@mn.rr.com gave tongue to:


> I checked a couple of cartons I had on hand:
> Old Home lists just milk, if it was not cow milk I think
> it would say so.
>

it is essentially the same over here. About 95% of youghurts and kefirs are
from normal cow's milk. The other 5% is probably split evenly between sheep's
and goat's milks.

Michael Warner

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Mar 31, 2002, 11:08:44 AM3/31/02
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On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:16:04 PST, Robert Low <lo...@acm.org> wrote:

>Yoghurt and many cheeses aren't made of cow's milk.

Are you sure about yoghurt? Sheep's milk yoghurt is a specialty item
here, and tastes quite different to the usual stuff. A yoghurt carton
I just checked lists "milk" as an ingredient, which I would bet means
moo juice.

>Parmesan etc,
>come from goats milk -- which items don't have lactose to be intolerant
>of ... <g>

http://www.cheese.com/Description.asp?Name=Parmesan%20(Parmigiano)

lists cow's milk as the source. Again, cheeses made from the milk of
other animals are expensive specialty items here, and parmesan isn't
one of them.

Michael Warner

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Mar 31, 2002, 11:10:10 AM3/31/02
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On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:32:24 -0600, "Otto Baade" <OBA...@mn.rr.com>
wrote:

>I think it is the culture that makes the difference.

Perhaps it reduces the need for lactase in digestion, or maybe
my problem is something else entirely. I'll see what I can find about
it.

Michael Warner

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Mar 31, 2002, 11:30:42 AM3/31/02
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On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 01:40:10 +0930, Michael Warner
<mvw@remove_this.ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>Perhaps it reduces the need for lactase in digestion, or maybe
>my problem is something else entirely. I'll see what I can find about
>it.

From http://www.woolworths.com.au/dietinfo/rsa14.asp:

"Many people with lactose intolerance tolerate yoghurt because the
bacteria that thicken the yoghurt help in the breakdown of lactose.
However, some people do not find yoghurt helpful.

Cheese and butter are not a problem in lactose intolerance. Neither
contain more than trace quantities, with the exception of ricotta
cheese. However, even ricotta has relatively small amounts of lactose
and is unlikely to cause problems."

So there you go. Milk and ice cream are the worst offenders for me -
if if anyone has a tendency to digestive problems, I'd recommend that
they try giving these up.

Robert Low

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Mar 31, 2002, 7:24:33 PM3/31/02
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In article <dsceau4vh2qv28s0q...@4ax.com>, Michael Warner
wrote:
>
< snip >
>
> lists cow's milk as the source. Again, cheeses made from the milk of
> other animals are expensive specialty items here, and parmesan isn't
> one of them.

Well, now you know more about it than I thought I did. <g>

Not being one of the intolerant, I was going by hearsay, apparently!

Bob ;-)

Michael Warner

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:24:33 PST, Robert Low <lo...@acm.org> wrote:

>Well, now you know more about it than I thought I did. <g>

There's nothing like google for creating instant experts :-)

Robert Low

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In article <6lvfau8qsr6m3v5kt...@4ax.com>, Michael

<g>

Bob ;-)

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