Interesting article on Islam and Saudi Arabia

Kenneth Rochel de Camargo Jr.

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Jul 12, 2002, 3:44:13 PM7/12/02

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http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/12/international/middleeast/12SAUD.html?to
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Excerpts:

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After scores of Saudi religious
scholars and academics issued a manifesto this spring suggesting that
Muslims might find common ground with the West, they were subjected to
withering rebuke by those who accept the Wahhabi notion that Islam
thrives on hostility toward infidels.

"You give the false impression that many people condemned the war
against America," read one such denunciation on a popular Web site, "But
the truth is that many people are happy declaring this war, which gave
Muslims a sense of relief."

In another, Sheik Hamad Rais al-Rais, an elderly blind scholar,
suggested the manifesto writers showed too much sympathy for the victims
of Sept. 11 and debased Islam by neglecting to mention that jihad, or
holy war, remains a central tenet.

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A fatwa from Sheik Muhammad bin Othaimeen, whose funeral last year
attracted hundreds of thousands of mourners, tackles whether good
Muslims can live in infidel lands. The faithful who must live abroad
should "harbor enmity and hatred for the infidels and refrain from
taking them as friends," it reads in part.

Saudis in general, and senior princes in particular, reject the notion
that this kind of teaching helps spawns terrorists.

"Well, of course I hate you because you are Christian, but that doesn't
mean I want to kill you," a professor of Islamic law in Riyadh explains
to a visiting reporter.

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Ken
MoNBH/MDNPEI
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deep reasons to care about one another cannot long
preserve its legitimacy" -- Richard Sennet

Kenneth Rochel de Camargo Jr.

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Jul 12, 2002, 4:05:46 PM7/12/02

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In article <3D2F36B8...@acsplus.com>, kirtn...@acsplus.com
says...
> i suspect this may be part of a struggle going back at least to
> galilleo.
>
Kinda. Although by then probably the Muslims were the more open minded
ones.

Kirt

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Jul 12, 2002, 4:06:16 PM7/12/02

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i suspect this may be part of a struggle going back at least to
galilleo.

--
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Michael Warner

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Jul 12, 2002, 4:13:46 PM7/12/02

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On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:44:13 -0300, Kenneth Rochel de Camargo Jr.
<rb.moc.arret@jcrk> wrote:

>"Well, of course I hate you because you are Christian, but that doesn't
>mean I want to kill you," a professor of Islamic law in Riyadh explains
>to a visiting reporter.

"It makes me want to give you chocolates instead. Here, try some of
these."

Kenneth Rochel de Camargo Jr.

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Jul 12, 2002, 4:15:51 PM7/12/02

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In article <q2euiucc2hve88b28...@4ax.com>,
m...@ozemail.com.au says...

> >"Well, of course I hate you because you are Christian, but that doesn't
> >mean I want to kill you," a professor of Islamic law in Riyadh explains
> >to a visiting reporter.
>
> "It makes me want to give you chocolates instead. Here, try some of
> these."
>

<KA-BOOM!>

"Hohoho, infidels always fall for that one!" :)

Kirt

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Jul 12, 2002, 4:35:25 PM7/12/02

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Michael Warner wrote:

and this copy of the koran ... from the gideon society

Liz [TeamD]

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Jul 12, 2002, 10:29:43 PM7/12/02

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Kenneth Rochel de Camargo Jr. said,

> "Hohoho, infidels always fall for that one!" :)

<whisper>
When that doesn't work, try the cigars.
</whisper>
--
liz

Kenneth Rochel de Camargo Jr.

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Jul 12, 2002, 10:34:36 PM7/12/02

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In article <MPG.17995aa6a...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
liza...@yahooNot-Often.com says...

> <whisper>
> When that doesn't work, try the cigars.
> </whisper>
>

<Bugs mode>
Telegram for an infidel!
</Bugs mode>

Liz [TeamD]

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Jul 12, 2002, 11:11:41 PM7/12/02

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Kenneth Rochel de Camargo Jr. said,

> <Bugs mode>
> Telegram for an infidel!
> </Bugs mode>

<blazingsaddles>
Telegram for Mr. Mongo
</blazingsaddles>
--
liz

Kenneth Rochel de Camargo Jr.

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Jul 12, 2002, 11:16:49 PM7/12/02

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In article <MPG.1799647c5...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
liza...@yahooNot-Often.com says...

> <blazingsaddles>
> Telegram for Mr. Mongo
> </blazingsaddles>
>

Let's skip the part where they eat beans, shall we? :)

Great movie.

Ernest Fairchild

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Jul 12, 2002, 11:38:12 PM7/12/02

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"Kenneth Rochel de Camargo Jr." <rb.moc.arret@jcrk> wrote in message
news:MPG.17998fd5...@forums.borland.com...

> In article <MPG.1799647c5...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
> liza...@yahooNot-Often.com says...
> > <blazingsaddles>
> > Telegram for Mr. Mongo
> > </blazingsaddles>
> >
> Let's skip the part where they eat beans, shall we? :)

That was BEFORE the telegram part, wasn't it (haven't seen the movie
in years!)?

> Great movie.

I agree.

Have a great day!

Ernest

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Rene Tschaggelar

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Jul 13, 2002, 10:09:01 AM7/13/02

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Galileo was a westerner and therefore non-existent.
No roadblock in going back then.
The point is more going back to ... ?
Going back why ?
The rest of the world doesn't go back.

Rene

Kirt

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Jul 15, 2002, 11:00:09 AM7/15/02

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<re-ordering to bottom posting>

Rene Tschaggelar wrote:

> Kirt wrote:
> > i suspect this may be part of a struggle going back at least to
> > galilleo.
> >

> Galileo was a westerner and therefore non-existent.
> No roadblock in going back then.
> The point is more going back to ... ?
> Going back why ?
> The rest of the world doesn't go back.
>

perhaps it will be more clear if i rephrase: "i suspect this may
be part of a struggle that has gone on at least since galilleo"

Erik Schepers

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Jul 14, 2002, 8:44:09 PM7/14/02

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"Liz [TeamD]" wrote:

> <blazingsaddles>
> Telegram for Mr. Mongo
> </blazingsaddles>

<Pedantic>
Candygram for Mongo. Candygram for Mongo.
</Pedantic>

Telegraph main office and tell them I said OOOWWWW!

Liz [TeamD]

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Jul 15, 2002, 12:09:24 PM7/15/02

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Erik Schepers says...

> Telegraph main office and tell them I said OOOWWWW!

LOL!
--
liz

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