Re: Iran eyes badges for Jews
The Anti-Buddha
> <quote>
> Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the
> Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and
> Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other
> religious minorities as non-Muslims.
The law was passed and signed yesterday or today.
The Europeans are probably over-joyed.. "peace in our time"
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John F(dot)
> <quote>
> Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the
> Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and
> Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other
> religious minorities as non-Muslims.
Wow. That's hard! I accidentally read Ireland in stead of Iranian...
Need new glasses. Um... no. Need glasses.
> "This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the
> dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving
> closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."
Fascism is fascism is fascism.
> Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports
> that
> the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this
> week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear
> almost identical "standard Islamic garments."
Fascism is fascism is fascism is fascism.
> The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali
> Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special
> insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.
Fascism is fascism is religious fascism is fascism.
> Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth
> on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red
> badges
> and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.
Sick. <world>BTDT</world>.
> "There's no reason to believe they won't pass this," said Rabbi
> Hier.
> "It will certainly pass unless there's some sort of international
> outcry over this."
> </quote>
>
> Gee, I must have missed their version of the Kristallnacht pogrom.
Watch out! Might come soon. Islamofascism is on its way to destroy
itself. ... I need more popcorn...
I wonder how long the "west" (now including Germany and Austria) will
look away... last time it was far too long - for false concerns. I
hope that won't happen again... I deeply hope that!
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The Anti-Buddha
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> Fascism is fascism is religious fascism is fascism.
IMO, religion is fascism and fascism is religion.
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Thomas J. Theobald
Didn't Pakistan or someone try to do this back in the 90s to Hindus?
Anyhow, don't worry, Matt - as soon as the gay-marriage amendment passes,
the next step will be badges for homosexuals. They'll work their way around
to your group sooner or later.
T
James David
<snip>
>
> Gee, I must have missed their version of the Kristallnacht pogrom.
Wow.
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John F(dot)
> In article <446e0a18$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
> "The Anti-Buddha" <ecar...@southpark.com> wrote:
>
>> IMO, religion is fascism and fascism is religion.
>
Buddhism is Buddhism is Buddhism... until too much Bud - his ... em...
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John F(dot)
> "John F(dot)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:446e...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>
>> Fascism is fascism is religious fascism is fascism.
>
>
> IMO, religion is fascism and fascism is religion.
No. Definitely not.
Fascism: "A philosophy or system of government that is marked by
stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized
government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of
belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)
As I see it now, the only religion with fascistic tendencies (today)
is (due to its old structure) ... islam. As you can see in Iran (where
more things play together now, but a major part is done by sticking to
islamic traditions)
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The Anti-Buddha
>
> >"Matt Jacobs" <no...@noyb.com> wrote in message
> >
> >
> >> <quote>
> >> Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the
> >> Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and
> >> Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other
> >> religious minorities as non-Muslims.
> >
> >
> >The law was passed and signed yesterday or today.
> >
> >The Europeans are probably over-joyed.. "peace in our time"
>
Germany, the country that financed and organized the murder of the Israeli
atheletes and arranged for the safe return of some of the terrorists
involved? I bet Germany is now shipping discount centerfuges to Iran.. oh
wait, that German ship was interdicted a couple
weeks ago.. well I'm sure a new shipment is on its way by now.
Germany and Germans seem completely incapable from being the good guys.
They should all be named Hans. <g>
> Of course, in Europe, appeasement is the way of life, so I don't
> expect much from them.
I do. I expect them to sell NATO military secrets to our enemies and to
sell weapons to Iran when we finally quit wussing around and start the
invasion.
"When you see a rattlesnake poised to strike, you do not wait until he has
struck before you crush him."
- Franklin D Roosevelt
The Anti-Buddha
> In article <446e0a18$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
> "The Anti-Buddha" <ecar...@southpark.com> wrote:
>
> > IMO, religion is fascism and fascism is religion.
>
> Even Buddhism?
If it's adhered to religiously, yes. But that's the point of Buddhism isn't
it? Don't adhere to anything irrationally - IOW, avoid religion.
Reminds me... a few days ago I saw some idiot with an Apple Computer logo
sticker on the back of his car. What kind of dolt worships a consumer good
or the company that makes it? Sheesh... all forms of religion are evil.
The Anti-Buddha
> The Anti-Buddha wrote:
> > "John F(dot)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> > news:446e...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> >
> >> Fascism is fascism is religious fascism is fascism.
> >
> >
> > IMO, religion is fascism and fascism is religion.
>
> No. Definitely not.
>
> Fascism: "A philosophy or system of government that is marked by
> stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized
> government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of
> belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)
Sounds like catholocism to me.
> As I see it now, the only religion with fascistic tendencies (today)
> is (due to its old structure) ... islam. As you can see in Iran (where
> more things play together now, but a major part is done by sticking to
> islamic traditions)
Religion is the practice of adhereing to any irrational belief system
despite obvious and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Usually C++ programmers have this problem, but it is /never/ experienced by
us, Holy be the Name that illuminates the code, Delphi programmers. <g>
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Kirt
> Anyhow, don't worry, Matt - as soon as the gay-marriage amendment passes,
> the next step will be badges for homosexuals. They'll work their way around
> to your group sooner or later.
ewww-genics????
James David
> > Of course, in Europe, appeasement is the way of life, so I don't
> > expect much from them.
>
> I do. I expect them to sell NATO military secrets to our enemies and
> to sell weapons to Iran when we finally quit wussing around and start
> the invasion.
IMO, the US should have absolutely nothing to do with Iran. This is a
matter of concern for the nations of the eatern hemisphere.
Instead, the US should begin, at once, formulating policy that treats
political islam as a virtual nation state with Mecca as its capital.
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"Kirt" <kirtha...@acsplus.com> wrote in message
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> Thomas J. Theobald wrote:
>
>> Anyhow, don't worry, Matt - as soon as the gay-marriage amendment passes,
>> the next step will be badges for homosexuals. They'll work their way
>> around to your group sooner or later.
>
> ewww-genics????
Heh. That'd be for Welsh shepherds ). Or maybe that's ewe-genics?
T
James David
> In article <446e1862$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
> "The Anti-Buddha" <ecar...@southpark.com> wrote:
>
> > Reminds me... a few days ago I saw some idiot with an Apple
> > Computer logo sticker on the back of his car. What kind of dolt
> > worships a consumer good or the company that makes it? Sheesh...
> > all forms of religion are evil.
>
> says "freedom is the distance between government and religion"
Does the sticker denote the unit of measurement that defines the
distance?
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Jim Rowell
> <quote>
> Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the
> Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and
> Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other
> religious minorities as non-Muslims.
So far it's not confirmed and is raising a few suspicions.
Let's hope it's not true.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2006/05/19/publiceye/entry1637037.shtml
Michael Lehrman
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>
> "Matt Jacobs" <no...@noyb.com> wrote in message
> news:0ssr62tebi392h06q...@4ax.com...
>
> Didn't Pakistan or someone try to do this back in the 90s to Hindus?
>
> Anyhow, don't worry, Matt - as soon as the gay-marriage amendment passes,
[snip]
>
... saying: "Just divorced!".
ML
Michael Lehrman
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> "John F(dot)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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>
>> Fascism is fascism is religious fascism is fascism.
>
>
> IMO, religion is fascism and fascism is religion.
>
ML
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John F(dot)
> "John F(dot)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote in
>> The Anti-Buddha wrote:
>>> "John F(dot)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>>> news:446e...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>>>
>>>> Fascism is fascism is religious fascism is fascism.
>>>
>>>
>>> IMO, religion is fascism and fascism is religion.
>>
>> No. Definitely not.
>>
>> Fascism: "A philosophy or system of government that is marked by
>> stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized
>> government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of
>> belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)
>
> Sounds like catholocism to me.
Dictator is who?
Is there really such a strong nationalism among catholicists?
Centralized government ... yes... as is in the US.
I still don't know where the economic control is...
In Iran you have:
Dictator: Quranoid religious leaders.
Anyone who is not a Muslim will be discriminated in his _rights_, in
all of his rights.
Is Iran economically so strong? I don't think so. Cheap masses are
good masses are guidable masses...
What else but social control is imposed by the Quran (despite the
notorious wish to rule the world)?
>> As I see it now, the only religion with fascistic tendencies
>> (today)
>> is (due to its old structure) ... islam. As you can see in Iran
>> (where more things play together now, but a major part is done by
>> sticking to islamic traditions)
>
> Religion is the practice of adhereing to any irrational belief
> system
> despite obvious and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Well... As is fishing, and yet many people do it :-)
> Usually C++ programmers have this problem, but it is /never/
> experienced by us, Holy be the Name that illuminates the code,
> Delphi
> programmers. <g>
lol... :-) how ironic...
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Olivier Beltrami
Amen to that <1/2 G>
Olivier
john Blackburn
government undertakes a comprehensive census of the Jews. It is through
this that the Nazi party exercised its power over Jews in Europe. The
Jewish badges were to whip up public hatred of the jews; however, the
true mechanism of disenfranchisement and ultimately anihilation of the
jews was through the census programme.
john Blackburn
> That is just a physical sign; the real ominous danger is if the Iranian
> government undertakes a comprehensive census of the Jews. It is through
> this that the Nazi party exercised its power over Jews in Europe. The
> Jewish badges were to whip up public hatred of the jews; however, the
> true mechanism of disenfranchisement and ultimately anihilation of the
> jews was through the census programme.
>
However, as others have said, let's not jump to conclusions until there
is more confirmation.
John F(dot)
> At 21:11:40, 19.05.2006, The Anti-Buddha wrote:
>
>> Reminds me... a few days ago I saw some idiot with an Apple
>> Computer
>> logo sticker on the back of his car. What kind of dolt worships a
>> consumer good or the company that makes it? Sheesh... all forms
>> of
>> religion are evil.
>
> club,
> or the place they visited on vacation, or something else they
> *like*.
> Dental assistants like to have a sticker with a tooth on it on their
> cars. I'm sure they don't worship teeth.
>
> IOW, a sticker is not necessarily a sign of worship.
You don't worship what enables you to eat? (Isn't that ambiguity fine
:-) ?)
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Michael Warner
> Reminds me... a few days ago I saw some idiot with an Apple Computer logo
> sticker on the back of his car. What kind of dolt worships a consumer good
> or the company that makes it? Sheesh... all forms of religion are evil.
We all identify ourselves with groups. Mac owners are a group, and they
regard themselves as subversive - if I was into them, I'd probably have
one, too. My primary bumper sticker is a homemade one which says "I'd
rather be cycling" :-)
BTW, I made it from an inkjet printout on standard by soaking it in
silicone diluted with turps, which protects the front as well as providing
adhersion. It's held up fine for about a year now.
Michael Warner
> I see lots of people with stickers for their favourite football club, or
> the place they visited on vacation, or something else they *like*.
Mark hasn't found a photo of himself on a bumper sticker yet :-)
Abdullah Kauchali
Matt, don't you find it fascinating at all that there are in fact Jews
living in Iran!?!!!
Mind boggling.
Michael Warner
> Matt, don't you find it fascinating at all that there are in fact Jews
> living in Iran!?!!!
There are Jews living almost everywhere. Truly monocultural nations
are rare.
Abdullah Kauchali
"James David" wrote in message
> Instead, the US should begin, at once, formulating policy that treats
> political islam as a virtual nation state with Mecca as its capital.
LOL. You are a hoot, you know that? Next thing you'll say is: introduce a
badge for all Muslims to wear!
Abdullah Kauchali
"Michael Warner" wrote in message:
> There are Jews living almost everywhere. Truly monocultural nations
> are rare.
True, Michael. Very true.
I guess what I really wanted to ask Matt was the source of this newsworthy
piece of story. It's incredible, considering that the Jewish faith is
officially /protected/ by the constitution - they even have parliamentary
representation there.
It sounds almost too convenient a story. I wonder whether it is really
intended to stir up sentiment that the Iranian Republic is truly a global
threat. Hmmm.
I've searched both CNN and BBC but somehow can't find anything to link this
story.
Abdullah Kauchali
Michael Warner
> Buying special dispensations.
Like being allowed to marry a Protestant? Are they an openly commercial
proposition, or is this just palm-greasing?
Michael Warner
> It sounds almost too convenient a story. I wonder whether it is really
> intended to stir up sentiment that the Iranian Republic is truly a global
> threat.
From Matty? Nah :-)
Abdullah Kauchali
"Michael Warner" wrote in message:
It's kinda getting annoying, actually. If these RWLs want to bomb Iran,
they must just go ahead and do it - like they did Iraq. They don't need
excuses. But when they make up stories like this, or stories of WMD, and
then try to get unsuspecting folks to believe them, it gets annoying.
Because then they pretend to be intelligent - which they are not. :(
Michael Warner
> It's kinda getting annoying, actually. If these RWLs want to bomb Iran,
> they must just go ahead and do it - like they did Iraq.
FWIW, I think the only thing stopping them is the lack of military
resources and hideous cost of another occupation, not a lack of desire.
Michael Warner
> It's more open than bribery, but less open than a menu placard.
So you have a chat with your priest, and at some point he delicately
raises the matter of cost, but you don't get it in writing? I wonder
whether the Vatican issues receipts for them - it'd be interesting to know
what various ones cost.
I suppose they'd refer to it as an administrative fee.
Abdullah Kauchali
"Michael Warner" wrote in message:
> resources and hideous cost of another occupation, not a lack of desire.
Absolutely.
Michael Warner
> Donations to the church are tax deductible in the USA, so you would
> likely get a receipt, if only in the form of a cancelled check. It is a
> little less above the board than you suggest. More of a quid pro quo,
> than a fee for services. So of course, any such receipt or documentation
> wouldn't likely spell out "fee for dispensation in order to marry
> protestant in the church." It would more likely be "buy a new pew, or a
> stained glassed window, and we'll see what we can do..."
They haven't really cleaned up their act much since the 95 Theses,
have they? :-)
San Francis Bo
> They haven't really cleaned up their act much since the 95 Theses,
> have they? :-)
But you don't see the hole where they were pinned on any more (I think <g>)
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Michael Warner
> But you don't see the hole where they were pinned on any more (I think <g>)
They could have charged for viewing it as a tourist attraction. It's not
like them to pass up a money-spinner.
San Francis Bo
> On Sat, 20 May 2006 18:17:51 +0200, San Francis Bo wrote:
>
>> But you don't see the hole where they were pinned on any more (I think <g>)
>
> They could have charged for viewing it as a tourist attraction. It's not
> like them to pass up a money-spinner.
People come anyway. It doesn't cost anything to just stare at the door.
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John F(dot)
> In article <446ebc46$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
> "John F\(dot\)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> Dictator is who?
>
> The (infallible) pope.
C'mon. I would guess that 1% or maybe 2% do evem know that he should
be infallable. For us it is somewhat abelieve too. Even if there's a
dogma. A dogma is not a fatwa. It should be respected, you would fall
out of catholic church then (in theory...)... but if they did it, they
would end with ... probably 2000 people on this planet which deeply
know all the stuff in the catechism ...
>> Is there really such a strong nationalism among catholicists?
>
> Yes. Though it is not homogeneously so.
Nationalism is almost not there (otherwise there wouldn't have been so
many wars among christians), unless there is a common threat. But that
is insignificant because I believe that even Israel and Palestine
would cooperate against a third party invading their somewhat
"indivisible" land - as a common threat.
>> Centralized government ... yes... as is in the US.
>> I still don't know where the economic control is...
>
> Pay to have you wedding in the church. Pay to have your kids
> christened/baptized. Pay for the pre marital counseling. Buying
> special dispensations. Don't forget to tithe... Shall I go on?
So you don't pay for any supply of services you take advantage of...
let's say at Pizza-Hut?
People hardly ever work for free. You have to see the expenses and
cross-calculate.
I see it a natural thing to either pay for what I get or give sime
other values for it.
There is no economic control whatsoever. Or do you consider Pizza-Hut
to be similar to fascism too?
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Michael Lehrman
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> http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/story.html?id=6626a0fa-99de-4f1e-aebe-bb91af82abb3
>
That's Ok. If all Moslems must abide by a certain dress code, why not the
others? The more important question is how that new Oil Bourse's doing. :-)
ML
TGD
> "James David" wrote in message
>
>>Instead, the US should begin, at once, formulating policy that treats
>>political islam as a virtual nation state with Mecca as its capital.
>
>
> LOL. You are a hoot, you know that? Next thing you'll say is: introduce a
> badge for all Muslims to wear!
>
The women are already doing it in terms of their clothes so why not
badge the men ?
TGD
> <quote>
> Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the
> Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and
> Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other
> religious minorities as non-Muslims.
>
> "This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the
> dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving
> closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."
>
> Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that
> the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this
> week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear
> almost identical "standard Islamic garments."
>
> The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali
> Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special
> insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.
>
> Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth
> on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges
> and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.
>
> "There's no reason to believe they won't pass this," said Rabbi Hier.
> "It will certainly pass unless there's some sort of international
> outcry over this."
> </quote>
>
> http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f&k=32073
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/rhkfn
>
> Gee, I must have missed their version of the Kristallnacht pogrom.
>
San Francis Bo
> In article <446f...@newsgroups.borland.com>, San Francis Bo <m@n.o>
>
>> People come anyway. It doesn't cost anything to just stare at the door.
>
Doesn't help a lot :)
http://www.wittenberg.de/staticsite/staticsite.php?menuid=3&topmenu=3
Otto
> <quote>
> Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the
> Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and
> Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other
> religious minorities as non-Muslims.
Why the header "badges for the Jews" instead of
"badges for non Muslims" ?
Otto
Uwe
> Germany, the country that financed and organized the murder of the Israeli
> atheletes...
Where do you live? In the funny farm?
> Germany and Germans seem completely incapable from being the good guys.
> They should all be named Hans. <g>
You seem to have a problem with anything European, and with anything German
in particular. What's your point?
IMHO, your posting went too far.
Uwe
San Francis Bo
> Hi Mark
>> Germany and Germans seem completely incapable from being the good guys.
>> They should all be named Hans. <g>
>
> You seem to have a problem with anything European, and with anything German
> in particular. What's your point?
Not true. He wants to be our Kaiser. He already abducted the
potential Kaiserin :)
> IMHO, your posting went too far.
In theory I agree <g>
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John F(dot)
> In article <446f...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
> "John F\(dot\)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> C'mon. I would guess that 1% or maybe 2% do evem know that he
>> should
>> be infallable. For us it is somewhat abelieve too. Even if there's
>> a
>> dogma. A dogma is not a fatwa. It should be respected, you would
>> fall
>> out of catholic church then (in theory...)... but if they did it,
>> they would end with ... probably 2000 people on this planet which
>> deeply know all the stuff in the catechism ...
>
> used
> to get excommunicated for contradicting the pope.
And that's the point: "used to"... It is a law without enforcement...
>> Nationalism is almost not there (otherwise there wouldn't have been
>> so many wars among christians), unless there is a common threat.
>
> May I direct you to Norther Ireland. (Boston for that matter)
Indeed. Thanks. Tell them you are gonna kill anyone there and you'll
see, how they cooperate again... (for a short while... i.e. until you
are arrested...)
>> So you don't pay for any supply of services you take advantage
>> of...
>> let's say at Pizza-Hut?
> <snip>
>> There is no economic control whatsoever.
>
> It isn't merely a fee for service. It is a fee for something that
> is
> *required* by the religion in the best of cases. If you don't pay,
> you
> kid is going to hell.
Not really... It is an upgrade... Just like the bonus functions in a
club. After being baptized not really much can happen... god is very
nice and calm... he will forgive, well, anything. Almost by
definition.
> That is definitely an economic control. The
> worse cases are fees for forgiveness of certain infractions.
> (marrying a protestant, for example)
Maybe... leaving a club can be as expensive :-)
San Francis Bo
> Francis
>> He already abducted the potential Kaiserin :)
>
She *was* the Kaiserin. The name of the future one will be cute too :)
Uwe
> He already abducted the potential Kaiserin :)
Sissy? I thought she's dead... ;-)
Uwe
The Anti-Buddha
> > They should all be named Hans. <g>
>
> You seem to have a problem with anything European, and with anything
German
> in particular. What's your point?
I am still really angry about the quality of my VW Jetta from a few years
back.
> > Germany, the country that financed and organized the murder of the
Israeli
> > atheletes...
>
> Where do you live? In the funny farm?
Do some googling and the truth shall be yours.
> IMHO, your posting went too far.
If it had gone too far Rudy wouldn't have hesitated...
The ship from Germany carrying parts for the manufacture of enriched weapons
grade uranium was interdicted - that's a fact. That the Germans hatched a
plot to allow some of the Munich terrorists to escape back to mulism soil is
a fact. That the Germans were complicit in the entire Munich terror plot -
that's and educated guess. Remember what happened last time Germany was
allowed to play unsupervised...
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The Anti-Buddha
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> Uwe wrote:
> > Hi Mark
> >> Germany and Germans seem completely incapable from being the good guys.
> >> They should all be named Hans. <g>
> >
> > You seem to have a problem with anything European, and with anything
German
> > in particular. What's your point?
>
> Not true. He wants to be our Kaiser. He already abducted the
> potential Kaiserin :)
Now I'll expect you to bow when you meet the Empress Mimi in person. :)
For the record, "they should all be called Hans" is a reference to the many
movies with an evil antagonist named Hans.
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Mark
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The Anti-Buddha
> In article <446e1862$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
> "The Anti-Buddha" <ecar...@southpark.com> wrote:
>
> > Reminds me... a few days ago I saw some idiot with an Apple Computer
logo
> > sticker on the back of his car. What kind of dolt worships a consumer
good
> > or the company that makes it? Sheesh... all forms of religion are
evil.
>
> That doesn't sound like religion to me, but then I've got one of
> those stickers on the back of my car.
Blech!
> It's right next to the one that
> says "freedom is the distance between government and religion"
IMO, freedom is the distance between government and the economy.
The Anti-Buddha
news:xn0emg9xqp7da...@www.teamb.com...
> At 21:11:40, 19.05.2006, The Anti-Buddha wrote:
>
> > Reminds me... a few days ago I saw some idiot with an Apple Computer
> > logo sticker on the back of his car. What kind of dolt worships a
> > consumer good or the company that makes it? Sheesh... all forms of
> > religion are evil.
>
> the place they visited on vacation, or something else they *like*. Dental
> assistants like to have a sticker with a tooth on it on their cars. I'm
> sure they don't worship teeth.
>
> IOW, a sticker is not necessarily a sign of worship.
You've obviously never met one of the brain washed dolts who calls himself a
Mac user.
The Anti-Buddha
> On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:11:40 -0400, The Anti-Buddha wrote:
>
> > Reminds me... a few days ago I saw some idiot with an Apple Computer
logo
> > sticker on the back of his car. What kind of dolt worships a consumer
good
> > or the company that makes it? Sheesh... all forms of religion are
evil.
>
> regard themselves as subversive -
It's that specifically that is annoying about them. They're a bunch of
wanna-be hippies who don't realize that they're praying at the god of
consumerism.
> if I was into them, I'd probably have
> one, too. My primary bumper sticker is a homemade one which says "I'd
> rather be cycling" :-)
>
> BTW, I made it from an inkjet printout on standard by soaking it in
> silicone diluted with turps, which protects the front as well as providing
> adhersion. It's held up fine for about a year now.
Doesn't stuff stick to both sides?
The Anti-Buddha
news:446ebc46$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> >> Fascism: "A philosophy or system of government that is marked by
> >> stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized
> >> government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of
> >> belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)
> >
> > Sounds like catholocism to me.
>
> Dictator is who?
The Pope dictates papal policy. Today that doesn't seem important, but when
the Church was acting as the primary functioning government of Europe it had
more meaning.
> Is there really such a strong nationalism among catholicists?
> Centralized government ... yes... as is in the US.
> I still don't know where the economic control is...
In the past you could not work within the economy without being a member of
the Church.
> In Iran you have:
> Dictator: Quranoid religious leaders.
> Anyone who is not a Muslim will be discriminated in his _rights_, in
> all of his rights.
It's Chrisidom all over again. Maybe the Muslims are going through their
dark ages. Awe.. aren't they cute. <g>
> > Religion is the practice of adhereing to any irrational belief
> > system
> > despite obvious and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
>
> Well... As is fishing, and yet many people do it :-)
People who are religious about their hobbies are particularly annoying.
> > Usually C++ programmers have this problem, but it is /never/
> > experienced by us, Holy be the Name that illuminates the code,
> > Delphi
> > programmers. <g>
>
> lol... :-) how ironic...
;)
Michael Warner
> People come anyway.
I wouldn't get quite that excited about it.
The Anti-Buddha
> >
> > Yes. Though it is not homogeneously so.
>
> Nationalism is almost not there (otherwise there wouldn't have been so
> many wars among christians), unless there is a common threat. But that
> is insignificant because I believe that even Israel and Palestine
> would cooperate against a third party invading their somewhat
> "indivisible" land - as a common threat.
You seem to be forgetting the crusades.
> C'mon. I would guess that 1% or maybe 2% do evem know that he should
> be infallable. For us it is somewhat abelieve too. Even if there's a
> dogma. A dogma is not a fatwa. It should be respected, you would fall
> out of catholic church then (in theory...)... but if they did it, they
> would end with ... probably 2000 people on this planet which deeply
> know all the stuff in the catechism ...
You should travel to Central and South America and then see if maybe more
than 2000 people... Catholics can't enter the Church until they've been
confirmed - a process that invovles education on the Church doctrin.
> There is no economic control whatsoever. Or do you consider Pizza-Hut
> to be similar to fascism too?
There has been economic control in the past, and if the Church had its way
there would still be today.
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The Anti-Buddha
> > They aren't as nuts about it now as they used to be, but people
> > used
> > to get excommunicated for contradicting the pope.
>
> And that's the point: "used to"... It is a law without enforcement...
Being excommunicated for the average person would mean that their entire
social and economic life was terminated. Hard to eat if no one in your town
will sell you food because they think you're a tool of the devil.
> >> Nationalism is almost not there (otherwise there wouldn't have been
> >> so many wars among christians), unless there is a common threat.
> >
> > May I direct you to Norther Ireland. (Boston for that matter)
>
> Indeed. Thanks. Tell them you are gonna kill anyone there and you'll
> see, how they cooperate again... (for a short while... i.e. until you
> are arrested...)
I don't think the police had a lot of control over the IRA.
> > It isn't merely a fee for service. It is a fee for something that
> > is
> > *required* by the religion in the best of cases. If you don't pay,
> > you
> > kid is going to hell.
>
> Not really... It is an upgrade... Just like the bonus functions in a
> club. After being baptized not really much can happen... god is very
> nice and calm... he will forgive, well, anything. Almost by
> definition.
In a society where all social and economic participation is based on being a
member of the Church such "services" are not optional. You have to be
babtized to be a Church member - pay the fee please. You have to be
confirmed - pay the fee please. You can't have extra-marital sex - pay the
fee please. We'll take 10% of your income now - that's a tax by the way -
call it "protection" money.
Oh, you refuse to pay? Ok, no problem, please join us in this public
ceremony where we declare you a heritic and an evil tool of the devil.
There, now you can't survive in our little society. Enjoy. :)
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>
The Anti-Buddha
news:446e6cc1$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> "The Anti-Buddha" <ecar...@southpark.com> wrote in message
> news:446e0a18$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...> > news:446e...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> >
> >> Fascism is fascism is religious fascism is fascism.
> >
> >
> > IMO, religion is fascism and fascism is religion.
> >
> Are you trying to define religion, fascism, or both?
It's the same thing.
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Uwe
> I am still really angry about the quality of my VW Jetta from a few years
> back.
In Germany, only old and retired people used to buy Jettas. I'm not
astonished that you live in Florida... <g>
> Do some googling and the truth shall be yours.
http://maps.google.com/maps?li=rwp&q=4870+BAY+HERON+PL,+TAMPA,+FL+33616
> The ship from Germany carrying parts for the manufacture of enriched
> weapons grade uranium was interdicted - that's a fact.
The ship was only German-owned and later intercepted by German and Italian
authorities, if I recall correctly. Makes quite a difference.
> That the Germans hatched a plot to allow some of the Munich terrorists to
> escape back to mulism soil is a fact.
Now you better do some googling and refresh your memories.
> That the Germans were complicit in the entire Munich terror plot - that's
> and educated guess.
That's not an educted guess, but a very wild and especially weird one.
> Remember what happened last time Germany was allowed to play
> unsupervised...
Well, the same that happened when we allowed GWB to play unsupervised, isn't
it?
Cheers
Uwe
John F(dot)
> "John F(dot)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>
>>> They aren't as nuts about it now as they used to be, but people
>>> used
>>> to get excommunicated for contradicting the pope.
>>
>> And that's the point: "used to"... It is a law without
>> enforcement...
>
> Being excommunicated for the average person would mean that their
> entire social and economic life was terminated. Hard to eat if no
> one in your town will sell you food because they think you're a tool
> of the devil.
Thanks to anonymity hardly anyone cares. This was of course very
different some hundred years ago.
>>>> Nationalism is almost not there (otherwise there wouldn't have
>>>> been
>>>> so many wars among christians), unless there is a common threat.
>>>
>>> May I direct you to Norther Ireland. (Boston for that matter)
>>
>> Indeed. Thanks. Tell them you are gonna kill anyone there and
>> you'll
>> see, how they cooperate again... (for a short while... i.e. until
>> you
>> are arrested...)
>
> I don't think the police had a lot of control over the IRA.
That's right.
>>> It isn't merely a fee for service. It is a fee for something
>>> that
>>> is
>>> *required* by the religion in the best of cases. If you don't pay,
>>> you
>>> kid is going to hell.
>>
>> Not really... It is an upgrade... Just like the bonus functions in
>> a
>> club. After being baptized not really much can happen... god is
>> very
>> nice and calm... he will forgive, well, anything. Almost by
>> definition.
>
> In a society where all social and economic participation is based on
> being a member of the Church such "services" are not optional.
True for islamic coutries, not true for "enlightened" countries.
Our society respects a lot of religious strangenesses.
> You
> have to be babtized to be a Church member - pay the fee please.
That's the only thing you need to call yourself christian.
> You
> have to be confirmed - pay the fee please.
Doesn't change much.
BTW.: you missed the "First Communion" (specific for catholics)
> You can't have
> extra-marital sex - pay the fee please.
Um... bet I can :-)
> We'll take 10% of your
> income now - that's a tax by the way - call it "protection" money.
Huh? Mamma mia! Mmaffiiia...
> Oh, you refuse to pay? Ok, no problem, please join us in this
> public
> ceremony where we declare you a heritic and an evil tool of the
> devil.
> There, now you can't survive in our little society. Enjoy. :)
In a small society or maybe a brain washed society or an islamic
society any breach of tradition is considered
BADBADBADBADBADBADBADBADBADBADBADBADBAD ... BAD.
Ever heard peoples gossip? "... has not attended this event..." or
"... has a new girlfriend, isn't he married? ... he should be
ashamed..." and when either of the gossippers meet their victim, they
are darn friendly and everything is diddly-fine. Such an
affectation!...
In this aspect you are right. But when there are more than ~50000
inhabitants in a town, these problems usually vanish in a western
city... (at least for this generation)
John F(dot)
> "John F(dot)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>>>> Is there really such a strong nationalism among catholicists?
>>>
>>> Yes. Though it is not homogeneously so.
>>
>> Nationalism is almost not there (otherwise there wouldn't have been
>> so many wars among christians), unless there is a common threat.
>> But
>> that is insignificant because I believe that even Israel and
>> Palestine would cooperate against a third party invading their
>> somewhat "indivisible" land - as a common threat.
>
> You seem to be forgetting the crusades.
Go away with that :-) I mean todays situation...
>> C'mon. I would guess that 1% or maybe 2% do evem know that he
>> should
>> be infallable. For us it is somewhat abelieve too. Even if there's
>> a
>> dogma. A dogma is not a fatwa. It should be respected, you would
>> fall
>> out of catholic church then (in theory...)... but if they did it,
>> they would end with ... probably 2000 people on this planet which
>> deeply know all the stuff in the catechism ...
>
> You should travel to Central and South America and then see if maybe
> more than 2000 people... Catholics can't enter the Church until
> they've been confirmed - a process that invovles education on the
> Church doctrin.
Confirmation is not really necessary.
e.g. Confirmation is not a precondition for marriage in church...
If you are strict: It is the special part that completes the cycle of
Jesus:
Babtism, His death and resurrection, Receipt of the Holy Spirit.
If you know german:
http://www.stjosef.at/morallexikon/firmung.htm
Is a real "in depth" analysis of the confirmation... going into
_every_ spiritual detail.
Weird stuff, if you think about it... Really.
>> There is no economic control whatsoever. Or do you consider
>> Pizza-Hut
>> to be similar to fascism too?
>
> There has been economic control in the past, and if the Church had
> its way there would still be today.
Well... it isn't, is it? So that's no real argument :-)
--
J
John F(dot)
> In article <446f...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
> "John F\(dot\)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> inhabitants in a town, these problems usually vanish in a western
>> city... (at least for this generation)
>
> and so being gay, so and so being an atheist, or so and so
> converting
> to Islam.
Well... that's a tight social network then... congratulations!
John F(dot)
> In article <446fa033$2...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
> "The Anti-Buddha" <ecar...@southpark.com> wrote:
>
>> You've obviously never met one of the brain washed dolts who calls
>> himself a Mac user.
>
> insult.
Only to Mac users who are defending their noble ship, although it is
sinking (Intel core, IPod, iTunes..., overexpensive hardware) ... :-)
--
J
John F(dot)
> "John F(dot)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:446ebc46$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>
>
>>>> Fascism: "A philosophy or system of government that is marked by
>>>> stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized
>>>> government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of
>>>> belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)
>>>
>>> Sounds like catholocism to me.
>>
>> Dictator is who?
>
> The Pope dictates papal policy. Today that doesn't seem important,
> but when the Church was acting as the primary functioning government
> of Europe it had more meaning.
That's true. We are talking about _now_.
>> Is there really such a strong nationalism among catholicists?
>> Centralized government ... yes... as is in the US.
>> I still don't know where the economic control is...
>
> In the past you could not work within the economy without being a
> member of the Church.
As is now in islamic countries...
In a western coutry it is more important which political party you are
into...
>> In Iran you have:
>> Dictator: Quranoid religious leaders.
>> Anyone who is not a Muslim will be discriminated in his _rights_,
>> in
>> all of his rights.
>
> It's Chrisidom all over again. Maybe the Muslims are going through
> their dark ages. Awe.. aren't they cute. <g>
From that point of view... yes :-)
Problem is: they might get access to WMD... and transportation got way
faster... but... at least we don't have black death ... but we do have
AIDS, SARS and H5N1 and other weird acronyms...
>>> Religion is the practice of adhereing to any irrational belief
>>> system
>>> despite obvious and overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
>>
>> Well... As is fishing, and yet many people do it :-)
>
> People who are religious about their hobbies are particularly
> annoying.
^^ Yup.
--
J
John F(dot)
> In article <446faf26$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
> "John F\(dot\)" <sp...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>> No they don't. You have no idea how often I hear whispers about
>>> so
>>> and so being gay, so and so being an atheist, or so and so
>>> converting
>>> to Islam.
>>
>> Well... that's a tight social network then... congratulations!
>
So _you_ are the one...! I knew it :-)
James David
> Matt Jacobs wrote
> > <quote>
> > Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the
> > Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and
> > Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other
> > religious minorities as non-Muslims.
> > </quote>
>
> Why the header "badges for the Jews" instead of
> "badges for non Muslims" ?
I suppose it more effectively conveys the similarity betwixt the third
reich and political islam, aye?
--
Michael Warner
> Ever been to Japan? It's close.
Not these days (I'm not talking solely about ethnic makeup)..
Michael Warner
> Doesn't stuff stick to both sides?
No. The coating on the front dries quickly.
San Francis Bo
> "San Francis Bo" <m@n.o> wrote:
>> Not true. He wants to be our Kaiser. He already abducted the
>> potential Kaiserin :)
>
> Now I'll expect you to bow when you meet the Empress Mimi in person. :)
Happily, if she drops her camera :)
> For the record, "they should all be called Hans" is a reference to the many
> movies with an evil antagonist named Hans.
Since for us Hans is what John is for you, that was understood <g>
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Francis
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http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
San Francis Bo
> On Sat, 20 May 2006 19:03:36 +0200, San Francis Bo wrote:
>
>> People come anyway.
>
> I wouldn't get quite that excited about it.
It's a relatively poor region. We're glad about every cent
tourists bring in.
Unfortunately I haven't even been there myself, although it's
only about 60 km from where I live.
Anyway I'll go there eventually because even disregarding the
religious aspect Wittenberg's Marketplace and its surroundings
belong to the most beautiful in Europe.
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Michael Warner
> It's a relatively poor region.
Much like my smutty joke :-)
San Francis Bo
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 07:09:03 +0200, San Francis Bo wrote:
>
>> It's a relatively poor region.
>
> Much like my smutty joke :-)
Sorry, I got it just now :)
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John F(dot)
> In article <446f...@newsgroups.borland.com>,
>>> insult.
>>
>> Only to Mac users
>
I knew that. :-) Sorry. Otherwise you wouldn't have defended your
Apple...
As I always used to say: If you like it, take it, work with it, but
don't complain. (Even about insults, which a minority should be able
to take...)
(Was working at the IT department of a big company at that time and
one of the managers wanted to buy an ibook for the sake of design.)
Two weeks later something was broken (i think it was the NIC) and he
came whining... So I put my "I have told you" face on and started to
work out the configurations of Tiger.
You have to be used to it, but it looks great.
Jeff
>> No they don't. You have no idea how often I hear whispers about so
>> and so being gay, so and so being an atheist, or so and so
>> converting
>> to Islam.
> Well... that's a tight social network then... congratulations!
I'm a gay, atheist, pinko whale with harpoon scars... <holding
out top of head expectantly>
Political correctness is a weapon against reason.
--
Jeff
Jeff
>> That's the only thing you need to call yourself christian.
> You can call yourself christian even if you don't believe in Christ.
> Most Christians I know say all you need to do to be a Christian is to
> "accept Jesus as your personal savior."
I agree: By now there could be millions of personal Jesuses out
there. They make custom salvations for all of the unrepentent
souls in order that they may continue to be lead by the flesh and
have flesh more abundantly.
On the other hand, there is another kind of faith, one in which
one's soul becomes lead by the Spirit who is the main character
of the Bible that they may become lead by the spirit and have
spiritual life more abundantly.
In the latter, observers can see the fruit of the spirit and the
love they have within their kind one for another.
In the former, observers can see all the more opportunity for the
flesh.
--
Jeff