Jbuilder 2008 for Mac OS 10.5
George Sexton
OS X 10.5. In general, I didn't receive any helpful response.
Today, I went to the download site to look at JBuilder 2008, and
download it for trial.
I suppose things are improved, now the download site explicitly says
10.4, which is I guess better than having people download it and be
angry it doesn't work on 10.5.
Is there any time frame when JBuilder 2008 might run on 10.5? I mean
really, any Mac sold in the last 6 months has this version on it?
Is Mac really not a priority for CodeGear?
If not, would I be better off looking for another vendor?
pf
> I wrote 5 months ago about problems getting JBuilder 2007 to work on Mac
> OS X 10.5. In general, I didn't receive any helpful response.
Really?! I remember contributing something which should have been
helpful -- as I remember it, I wrote that I had no problems, and asked
you to answer some questions about your set up, but didn't get any
response -- but I guess we see things differently, and that I'm
mis-remembering things.
> Today, I went to the download site to look at JBuilder 2008, and
> download it for trial.
>
> I suppose things are improved, now the download site explicitly says
> 10.4, which is I guess better than having people download it and be
> angry it doesn't work on 10.5.
I have no idea as to why it says 10.4 -- maybe CodeGear is very strapped
for resources to test on Leopard (10.5)? Also, their Mac user base is
probably still quite small compared to that on Windows -- yes, lots of
techies show up at conferences and present on their MBPs, but that's not
representative of corporate development teams. My impression is that
Macs are beginning to make inroads, but their small, narrow paths, not
wide highways, into the corporate scene.
> Is there any time frame when JBuilder 2008 might run on 10.5? I mean
> really, any Mac sold in the last 6 months has this version on it?
>
> Is Mac really not a priority for CodeGear?
I don't know how to judge how much a priority it is with CodeGear.
However, one could turn things around and ask "is Java not a priority
with Apple?" Some would say "not very high, if at all. They just
released Java 6, and only for Leopard (10.5) and Core 2 Duos and greater."
That said, Eclipse 3.3, on which JBuilder 2008 is built, runs fine on OS
X 10.4 and 10.5. I've been using Eclipse 3.3 and JBuilder 2007 for some
time on this MBP. I just downloaded the JB 2008 Enterprise Trial
edition, and there were no problems installing it. It fired up just
fine, and although I haven't done any work with it, I cannot see that
there should be any problems.
> If not, would I be better off looking for another vendor?
What are your needs with respect to an IDE?
--
Paul Furbacher [Team B]
George Sexton
> George Sexton wrote:
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>> If not, would I be better off looking for another vendor?
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> What are your needs with respect to an IDE?
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I want something to write desktop GUI applications in.
George Sexton
> George Sexton wrote:
>
>> I wrote 5 months ago about problems getting JBuilder 2007 to work on
>> Mac OS X 10.5. In general, I didn't receive any helpful response.
>
> Really?! I remember contributing something which should have been
> helpful -- as I remember it, I wrote that I had no problems, and asked
> you to answer some questions about your set up, but didn't get any
> response -- but I guess we see things differently, and that I'm
> mis-remembering things.
Well, I just re-read the whole thread. It looks like on 28 January I
reported it to CodeGear and was told
George:
Unfortunately, JBuilder 2007 is not certified under MacOSX 10.5.
I recommend checking with the public newsgroups for additional assistance:
http://support.codegear.com/newsgroups/directory
Good luck,
At this point I decided I was wasting my time.
I'm looking for a GUI application designer. Eclipse doesn't seem to be that.
Paul Furbacher [Team B]
Here's what I know (and don't know):
1. NetBeans -- has the "Matisse" UI designer which lays out UIs using a
special layout manager. My experience with this was limited to an
attempt to layout a fairly complex UI, only to find that it quickly
became unmanageable. Refactoring names in the layout really threw the
thing for a loop -- NetBeans would insist that it couldn't read one of
the several files in which the layout data are saved in. Add that to
the fact that Sun used the worn-out idea of blocking off sections of
code from being editable (you cannot even get inside these blocks in the
NB source code editor just to look at them, let alone change anything
in them!). I quickly lost my enthusiasm for the much vaunted Matisse.
2. IDEA 6 -- IntelliJ uses a somewhat proprietary UI designer which
requires a special compiler which fortunately you can borrow the JARs
for and write an ANT script to build the UI files in some other dev
environment. You'd want to be able to do that for example if you had a
team which has members some of whom use IDEA, and others say, Eclipse,
JBuilder, etc. (This characterizes the team I work on.)
3. JBuilder 2008: it has a new, improved, and from what I hear, a pretty
darned good UI designer. I'm sketchy on the details -- other Team B
members can chime in, perhaps.
From what I can see, there should be nothing stopping you from
installing the Enterprise trial version of JBuilder 2008 and testing out
how the new UI designer works. I installed this trial version yesterday
and on the surface, found nothing wrong with the installation. I'm
running 10.5.2 and have updated with the latest Java 6 release from
Apple. However, the default JVM remains 1.5 as shown if you open a
Terminal window and type
java -version
E.g.,
paulf-nb1:~ pf$ java -version
java version "1.5.0_13"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_13-b05-237)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_13-119, mixed mode, sharing)