What is intolerance?
Brian Nuckels
threads, most recently that Halloween tract one (I don't even want to
discuss the tract--let's keep this on topic). I've begun to wonder what
people generally mean when they say someone is "intolerant".
Merriam-Webster defines it as the following:
1 : unable or unwilling to endure
2 a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious
matters b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional
rights
There seems to be a misuse of the word meaning more or less "someone who has
a worldview that disagrees strongly with mine is intolerant". ie, simply
believing that you are right about something (religion and God for example)
means you are "intolerant" of others who don't believe that. If this is
true, then how can one ever take a position on *anything* without being
intolerant of people who believe differently? Are those who are opposed to
the war on terrorism and believe those of us in favor of the war are very
wrong "intolerant" of the rest of us? Are those in favor of the war
"intolerant" for believing that the opposition has no grounds to stand on?
To me, I've always thought it meant what M-W says it does. So while some
religions believe that only adherents to their faith will go to heaven, that
doesn't make those people intolerant, unless they are unwilling to grant
equal freedom of expression to other religions, or worldviews, like in
Afghanistan, or start forcing their religion on others, like we see going on
in some of the African countries right now.
I've thought that at least in the US, the spirit of the Constitution has
done a pretty good job of ensuring that most of us are fairly tolerant of
others' opinions, even if we strongly disagree with them.
It seems to me that a lot of people using the word "intolerant" should
really apply definition 1 to themselves--unwilling to endure listening to
someone else's differing opinion or worldview. ;) And hey, that form of
"intolerant" is perfectly OK, as we have a right to choose what we will or
will not listen to.
In interest of preserving the English language,
Brian Nuckels
Mark Lauter
has
> a worldview that disagrees strongly with mine is intolerant". ie, simply
> believing that you are right about something (religion and God for
example)
> means you are "intolerant" of others who don't believe that. If this is
People who believe in god believe that it is their duty to god to get other
people to believe in god. Evangelism?
As long as you are trying to change me you cannot be tolerant of me. You
believe what you believe is correct, and what I believe is incorrect because
of faith. Now you want to rid the world of me because I am a non-believer.
That's intolerant. I am intolerant of that.
Brian Nuckels
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> As long as you are trying to change me you cannot be tolerant of me.
OK, this is a different definition of tolerance than I am used to.
> You believe what you believe is correct, and what I believe is incorrect
because
> of faith. Now you want to rid the world of me because I am a
non-believer.
I am going to interpret your use of "I" and "you" as only hypothetical, not
personal. I don't find the "ridding the world of" part to be a very
prevalent feeling amongst people of faith. That doesn't mean it doesn't
exist, or hasn't existed in history. But I don't think it's common.
Michael Warner
<bnuc...@midrid.com> wrote:
>I've seen the word "intolerance" come up a number of times in several
>threads, most recently that Halloween tract one (I don't even want to
>discuss the tract--let's keep this on topic). I've begun to wonder what
>people generally mean when they say someone is "intolerant".
>Merriam-Webster defines it as the following:
>
>1 : unable or unwilling to endure
I would offer a more functional definition, which is that actively
attempting* to suppress an activity or opinion is intolerance, while
mere criticism is not.
*Including voting for or otherwise supporting the intolerant.
Michael Warner
<bnuc...@midrid.com> wrote:
>> As long as you are trying to change me you cannot be tolerant of me.
>
>OK, this is a different definition of tolerance than I am used to.
And a pretty useless one, because it's based on paranoia.
Mark Lauter
> attempting* to suppress an activity or opinion is intolerance, while
> mere criticism is not.
I agree.. however, the idea that the christian right is trying to repress me
is not paranoid as you stated in a previous post.
Mark Lauter
not
> personal. I don't find the "ridding the world of" part to be a very
> prevalent feeling amongst people of faith. That doesn't mean it doesn't
> exist, or hasn't existed in history. But I don't think it's common.
Yes, you and I is metaphorical. <g>
The christians, jews and moslims are killing each other in the middle east.
It seems that they can't live in peace. All because some "holy" dude walked
on some plot of ground thousands of years ago. Hey! My holy dude can kick
your holy dudes butt!! Its just so silly.
If people are going to fight, fight over something that makes sense, like
who's got the coolest computer.
Brian Nuckels
> I would offer a more functional definition, which is that actively
> attempting* to suppress an activity or opinion is intolerance, while
> mere criticism is not.
OK, that sounds pretty reasonable to me. But there are certain activities
that have to be suppressed in order to preserve the public safety or promote
the general welfare of the nation. Which is the purpose of many laws.
> *Including voting for or otherwise supporting the intolerant.
If someone believes that guns are evil, and that no one should own them, and
then votes to support a lawmaker who also believes this, in order to see
their belief enforced, is that intolerant, or just excercising your right to
vote?
Similarly, if someone believes that abortions are wrong, because it's the
taking of an innocent life, and votes for a lawmaker who agrees with this,
is that intolerance?
Michael Warner
<markl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I agree.. however, the idea that the christian right is trying to repress me
>is not paranoid as you stated in a previous post.
It depends on which of their activities you're talking about. If you
mean the hateful propaganda, then I don't agree. But if you're
referring to their legislative agenda, I agree.
Michael Warner
<bnuc...@midrid.com> wrote:
>If someone believes that guns are evil, and that no one should own them, and
>then votes to support a lawmaker who also believes this, in order to see
>their belief enforced, is that intolerant, or just excercising your right to
>vote?
I'd call it intolerance. I don't mind being considered intolerant of
things I think are seriously damaging to the common good, and vote
accordingly.
Michael Warner
<ji...@NILSMAPused-disks.com> wrote:
>> If people are going to fight, fight over something that makes sense,
>> like who's got the coolest computer.
>
>Oh, that would be me. >:p
No, me. Mine doesn't have the lid on, and it's quite a cold night :-)
Mark Lauter
> taking of an innocent life, and votes for a lawmaker who agrees with this,
> is that intolerance?
You are voting to suppress gun ownership because you are intolerant. That's
not a bad thing.. (well, I think it is because I like guns, but that's
another story for another day).. That's just excercising your freedom.
If you don't like me because of the oddly olive color of my skin and vote to
make me sit at the back of the bus, that is intolerant, but is also bad.
I am intolerant of people killing American citizens. I am tolerant of
peoples religious beliefs.. unless they infringe on mine, or cause American
citizens to be killed.
Jimmy [Used-Disks]
> If people are going to fight, fight over something that makes sense,
> like who's got the coolest computer.
Oh, that would be me. >:p
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Mart
> who's got the coolest computer.
Hey, I got a C64!
Mart
Mark Reichert
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> I am going to interpret your use of "I" and "you" as only hypothetical,
not
> personal. I don't find the "ridding the world of" part to be a very
> prevalent feeling amongst people of faith.
Oh, those that want to remove non-believers physically are a tiny minority.
Those that want to remove non-believers as living people with different
beliefs or no belief are MUCH more numerous.
It is pornography awareness week in the St. Louis area. You think those
people that made that happen find it tolerable that there are people who
have no problem with pornography?
Michael Warner
<ma...@nospammessagelink.com> wrote:
>It is pornography awareness week in the St. Louis area.
Not the kind sponsored by the adult film industry, I take it :-)
Brian Nuckels
>
> The christians, jews and moslims are killing each other in the middle
east.
> It seems that they can't live in peace. All because some "holy" dude
walked
Well, there are plenty of reasons people kill each other. I doubt religion
is the main one. But, i would definitely agree those particular people
killing for religions reasons only are intolerant.
Kirt
do you suppose they're also having a street fair, and passing out
free samples? if so, would i be interested?
Mark Lauter
> people that made that happen find it tolerable that there are people who
> have no problem with pornography?
What do they do? Publish the link to a new free porn site every day?
Mart
Look at this piece of art (choose your connection).
It's a 7 mins long video by Sigur Ròs that is /really/ powerful.
Tackles homosexuality at a young age in a small town.
300k:
http://boss.2.streamos.com/wmedia/2/mca/sigurros/300_vidrar_vid_med.wvx
100k:
http://boss.2.streamos.com/wmedia/2/mca/sigurros/100_vidrar_vid_med.wvx
56k:
http://boss.2.streamos.com/wmedia/2/mca/sigurros/56_vidrar_vid_lo.wvx
Mart
Brian Nuckels
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>
> Those that want to remove non-believers as living people with different
> beliefs or no belief are MUCH more numerous.
Convincing others of your opinions or beliefs is not in any way restricted
to the activities of the "religious right".
> It is pornography awareness week in the St. Louis area. You think those
> people that made that happen find it tolerable that there are people who
> have no problem with pornography?
That gets down to the idea that at some point, value judgements have to be
made. They believe pornography is harmful, and want to share information
with others they believe shows this. No harm in that. There's plenty of
people who have views from the opposite end of the spectrum who make their
opinions known in similar ways as well.
Robert F. Tulloch
Mart wrote:
>
> > What is intolerance?
>
> Look at this piece of art (choose your connection).
> It's a 7 mins long video by Sigur Rňs that is /really/ powerful.
> Tackles homosexuality at a young age in a small town.
I don't like videos. Who is Sigur Ros?
How do you tackle homosexuality at a young age? Hopefully not by
raping young boys?
Mart
Sorry, schtroumpf grognon.
> Who is Sigur Ros?
An Icelandic band.
> How do you tackle homosexuality at a young age? Hopefully not by
> raping young boys?
I probably used the wrong words, I'm not too sure about the meaning of
"tackle".
Trying again, then: "The subject of the video is homosexuality at a young
age in a small community."
Mart
Robert F. Tulloch
> "tackle".
Tackle means to grab and throw down on the ground.
> Trying again, then: "The subject of the video is homosexuality at a young
> age in a small community."
Better.
Lesley Anne Baker
>
> OK, that sounds pretty reasonable to me. But there are
> certain activities that have to be suppressed in order to
> preserve the public safety or promote the general welfare
> of the nation. Which is the purpose of many laws.
Yes, and those laws identify things we as a culture (or at least the
lawmakers at the time it was passed) are intolerant of. We are
intolerant of murder, robbery, assault, rape, etc.. I think most
people will agree that those are things we need to be intolerant of.
> If someone believes that guns are evil, and that no one
> should own them, and then votes to support a lawmaker
> who also believes this, in order to see their belief enforced,
> is that intolerant, or just excercising your right to vote?
>
> Similarly, if someone believes that abortions are wrong,
> because it's the taking of an innocent life, and votes for
> a lawmaker who agrees with this, is that intolerance?
It is intolerance. The difference of opinion is on whether or not it
is justified intolerance - whether we should be tolerant of things
such as gun ownership or abortion. To the people who oppose these
things, they seem to fall into the same category of legitimate
intolerances as the ones I mentioned above (murder, robbery, assault,
rape, etc.).
Lesley Anne
Mark Lauter
Personally, I don't want to be tackled by a homosexual. I would be
intolerant of that. I don't mind if two homosexuals tackle each other..
that's their business.
Roger Arnesen
"Robert F. Tulloch" <tul...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > I probably used the wrong words, I'm not too sure about the meaning of
> > "tackle".
>
> Tackle means to grab and throw down on the ground.
Literally, that is what happens in the video.
Roger
Roger Arnesen
"Mart" <ROT13:zn...@genvafhesvat.pbz> wrote in message
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> > What is intolerance?
>
> Look at this piece of art (choose your connection).
> Tackles homosexuality at a young age in a small town.
Excellent video, but the song itself isn't about homosexuality.
Roger
Ernest Fairchild
>
> Hey, I got a C64!
I got an Etch-a-Sketch!
Have a great day!
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Mart
One of the best I've seen in years
> but the song itself isn't about homosexuality.
Perhaps.
Hey wait! You mean you understand the lyrics?
Mart
Robert F. Tulloch
>
> Literally, that is what happens in the video.
What is it? One guy says I bet I can throw you and blow you before
you can deck me and dick me.
Jeff Rhodes
other
> people to believe in god. Evangelism?
Which of the gods that are various people call 'God' do you mean? BTW, this
is not true with the Christian version of God.
> As long as you are trying to change me you cannot be tolerant of me.
So your teacher is intolerant when she is teaching you societal
responsibility? Your parents also? And don't forget your boss...
"Don't hit your sister!"
"Be polite."
"Be a Gentleman."
Those are all admonitions to change you.
> You
> believe what you believe is correct, and what I believe is incorrect
because
> of faith.
That's exactly what teachers, parents, and bosses do.
> Now you want to rid the world of me because I am a non-believer.
Brian does not want to get rid of you. Who wants to get rid of you?
> That's intolerant. I am intolerant of that.
Then you are intolerant of teachers, parents, and bosses? Should I mention
friends and wives who will also make demands that you adjust some of your
imperfections to their preferences.
Jeff
Jeff Rhodes
> news:3bd6fc34$1_1@dnews...
> > I am going to interpret your use of "I" and "you" as only hypothetical,
> not
> > personal. I don't find the "ridding the world of" part to be a very
> > prevalent feeling amongst people of faith.
>
> Oh, those that want to remove non-believers physically are a tiny
minority.
>
> Those that want to remove non-believers as living people with different
Not believing in what? In the Constitution? In a god? Which one? The
Christian one? The Muslim one? The Budah? And how many members of each of
these want to remove you? And does their dogma require them to act that way?
I think there is too much variability for sweep them up with one very
non-specific sentence.
BTW, the Christian god does not want to get rid of you. Nor does their
scripture permit them to get rid of you. Or, what did you mean by "get rid
of?" Maybe you were too general there too?
I think that tolerance has a lot of overlap with freedom of speech. I
suspect that they need to be defined in terms of each other, at least
implicitly.
> beliefs or no belief are MUCH more numerous.
>
> It is pornography awareness week in the St. Louis area. You think those
> people that made that happen find it tolerable that there are people who
> have no problem with pornography?
There are things that are properly not tolerated. For instance, we should
not tolerate terrorism.
Jeff
Roger Arnesen
"Mart" <ne...@trainspamsurfing.com> wrote in message
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> > but the song itself isn't about homosexuality.
>
> Perhaps.
>
> Hey wait! You mean you understand the lyrics?
Nope, I know how to use Google ;-)
(Actually, with some effort I could understand the lyrics if I could just
make out the words, but when the words are as "ambient" as they are, it's
hard to pick it up) Icelandic is 1000-year old Norwegian, mostly unchanged
since our haydays.
Roger
Jeff Rhodes
> attempting* to suppress an activity or opinion is intolerance, while
> mere criticism is not.
What about censure by yelling louder or other distractions while they are
talking? In other words, censure by jamming the communication with static?
<g>
Jeff
Roger Arnesen
>
> What is it? One guy says I bet I can throw you and blow you before
> you can deck me and dick me.
For somebody who appears to be as homophobic as you, there is a surprising
amount of homoerotic posts comming from your end. Why is that?
Roger
Robert F. Tulloch
> amount of homoerotic posts comming from your end. Why is that?
It is the punch line from a joke.
Mart
> I got an Etch-a-Sketch!
Damn! I lost my Lite-Brite when I was a kid.
Meanwhile,
http://members.aol.com/laguna555/einstein.jpg
Mart
Kirt
offensive a lewis.
Mart
> offensive a lewis.
http://groups.google.com/groups?en&group=borland.public.discussion&rnum=2&se
lm=3bcd836b%241_2%40dnews
Mart
Robert F. Tulloch
Kirt wrote:
>
> don't know who else agrees, but IMHO, this guy has gotten at least as
> offensive a lewis.
Are you referring to me? Is this more offensive than the comments
about the Nursery Rhymes?
I think not.
Who is Lewis?
Jeff Rhodes
Interesting video. Kind of sad, of course. Sweet kiss.
I guess they grew up without fathers and need each other to feel understood
and loved at the same time. Even the coach did not understand and love them.
It's hard to get that without a father, unless one is gay. Hmmm...maybe
that's why.
Or, some would say they have the gay gene defect, but I still think it's
environmental and not gene-related.
Jeff
Jeff Rhodes
Don't bump it!
Jeff
Robert F. Tulloch
> and loved at the same time. Even the coach did not understand and love them.
> It's hard to get that without a father, unless one is gay. Hmmm...maybe
> that's why.
>
> Or, some would say they have the gay gene defect, but I still think it's
> environmental and not gene-related.
No one said that acting gay cannot be induced by the environment.
That is why it is essential to stop gays from pushing their agenda of
conversion. Sort of like Molem fundamentalists.
Kirt
url into windows media player.
you're right about this one. thank you.
Kirt
> I guess they grew up without fathers and need each other to feel understood
> and loved at the same time. Even the coach did not understand and love them.
> It's hard to get that without a father, unless one is gay. Hmmm...maybe
> that's why.
>
> Or, some would say they have the gay gene defect, but I still think it's
> environmental and not gene-related.
if you want to kill the emotion in a piece of art, try some nice
clinical analysis.
Ernest Fairchild
>
> Damn! I lost my Lite-Brite when I was a kid.
>
> Meanwhile,
>
> http://members.aol.com/laguna555/einstein.jpg
Freakin' cool. I could just see some guy spending 1500 hours on that, and then
some kid comes along. "Stupid picture! I wanna draw a cow!" <shake>
Have a great day!
Ernest (ICQ #123375293)
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Ernest Fairchild
> > People who believe in god believe that it is their duty to god to get
> other
> > people to believe in god. Evangelism?
>
> Which of the gods that are various people call 'God' do you mean? BTW, this
> is not true with the Christian version of God.
Jeez, Jeff. Give me a break. Christians proselytize a LOT. How do you think it
got to be the world's second largest religion?
Vik
> > Hey, I got a C64!
> I got an Etch-a-Sketch!
"Do you have a flag? :p"
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John McGrath [TeamB]
> Tackle means to grab and throw down on the ground.
From The American Heritage Dictionary:
1. To take on and wrestle with (an opponent or a problem, for example).
2. Football. To seize and throw down (an opposing player).
3. To harness (a horse).
Mart's usage was entirely appropriate according to sense #1. Why is it
that you chose to bring "raping young boys" into the discussion?
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> Or, some would say they have the gay gene defect, but I still think
> it's environmental and not gene-related.
IMO, that's not very logical. In the past homosexuals could not speak
openly about their sexual orientation, but I'm quite sure that there were
as many homosexuals as today. And I doubt that every gay knows another gay
person when he discovers that he is gay (or lesbian).
Thus, homosexuality seems to be just a variation of the nature. Since this
sexual orientation does not hurt anybody, discrimination of these people is
plain stupid and inhuman. At least no gay tried to convince me that
heterosexuality is evil and homosexuality the only valid way to live. So
why should I be against their way of life and love?
Michael Warner
>> I probably used the wrong words, I'm not too sure about the meaning of
>> "tackle".
>
> Tackle means to grab and throw down on the ground.
It also means to engage or discuss.
Robert F. Tulloch
> periods of suspension (blanket cancellation or blocking) rather than
> cancellation only of individual posts based on their content, because
> it removes the opportunity for the offender to immediately embark on a
> campaign of Lewis-style retaliation. If he does it again after his
> week of suspension, wham! another week etc.
Who is Lewis and what is Lewis style retaliation?
Michael Warner
<jeff...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What about censure by yelling louder or other distractions while they are
>talking?
Good idea. I'll take my clothes off and leap around naked the next
time you starting crapping on.
Michael Warner
>don't know who else agrees, but IMHO, this guy has gotten at least as
>offensive a lewis.
I've talked with one TeamBer about this, and we're in favour of
periods of suspension (blanket cancellation or blocking) rather than
cancellation only of individual posts based on their content, because
it removes the opportunity for the offender to immediately embark on a
campaign of Lewis-style retaliation. If he does it again after his
week of suspension, wham! another week etc.
I realise that my opinion carries no weight in this matter, but we
think it's an improvement on the current approach, at least for bpd.
Mark Lauter
> responsibility? Your parents also? And don't forget your boss...
>
> "Don't hit your sister!"
> "Be polite."
> "Be a Gentleman."
>
> Those are all admonitions to change you.
Yes, they are intolerant of me hitting my stupid little sister.. hey she had
it coming!
> That's exactly what teachers, parents, and bosses do.
>
> > Now you want to rid the world of me because I am a non-believer.
>
> Brian does not want to get rid of you. Who wants to get rid of you?
I and You and Me were used metaphorically. :) Not refering to Brian or
me.
> Then you are intolerant of teachers, parents, and bosses? Should I mention
> friends and wives who will also make demands that you adjust some of your
> imperfections to their preferences.
I don't have any friends.. I killed them because there were intolerant.
Mart
My pleasure.
Mart
John Wester
> don't know who else agrees, but IMHO, this guy has gotten at least as
> offensive a lewis.
>
me in polite company.
I put him in my KF about 3 posts after he first appeared back in Sept.
All what I see now are the echoes.
--
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Robert F. Tulloch
Gad. Must be referring to me and my comments about gays. Makes me
feel good
drawing out the tolerant.
Kirt
> I put him in my KF about 3 posts after he first appeared back in Sept.
> All what I see now are the echoes.
the echoes are one reason i don't bother with KF's. i'd rather
see it in original context, if i'm going to see it at all.
David Orriss Jr.
> I've seen the word "intolerance" come up a number of times in several
> threads, most recently that Halloween tract one (I don't even want to
> discuss the tract--let's keep this on topic). I've begun to wonder what
> people generally mean when they say someone is "intolerant".
> Merriam-Webster defines it as the following:
Funny, I always thought intolerance was that medical condition that
meant you might need to wear adult-sized diapers... :)
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Michael Warner
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>Funny, I always thought intolerance was that medical condition that
>meant you might need to wear adult-sized diapers... :)
The one that afflicts people who live in continents?
Jeff Rhodes
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<sigh> You found me out. I admit it. I started to feel homosexual passion,
but this scared the bejeevers out of me, so quenched it as soon as I
realized it. I quenched it by, as you say, jumping into my left brain for a
quick, releasing, dose of clinical analysis. <whew!> That was close. I
almost converted for keeps. :-*)
I hope I didn't spoil it for you, though. :-)
Jeff
Jeff Rhodes
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That'd be cool to see, maybe, but, we both know your other ways work better.
;-)
Jeff
Jeff Rhodes
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> "Jeff Rhodes" <jeff...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > People who believe in god believe that it is their duty to god to get
> > other
> > > people to believe in god. Evangelism?
> >
> > Which of the gods that are various people call 'God' do you mean? BTW,
this
> > is not true with the Christian version of God.
>
> Jeez, Jeff. Give me a break. Christians proselytize a LOT. How do you
think it
> got to be the world's second largest religion?
So, I disagree with what you said for those 2 reasons.
1. Christians must not convert anyone, but rather pray that the Holy Spirit
will.
2. Christians must not sell Christianity. They must give the reason for
their own hope to those who ask.
Notes:
a. Christians should encourage believers in their faith.
b. Christians should encourage non-believers by loving them.
c. Encouragement is always different than proselytizing.
Yes, a lot of people proselytize Christianity, but that word covers a lot of
ground, much of which is not the job of Christians. There is a lot of false
proselytizing of Christianity by both Christians and false Christians. True
proselytizing of Christianity is only possible in as much as the word means
to witness to them ones own hope in God; Their decision is their own.
Jeff
Michael Warner
<jeff...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Good idea. I'll take my clothes off and leap around naked the next
>> time you starting crapping on.
>
>That'd be cool to see, maybe, but, we both know your other ways work better.
Now that summer's coming it appeals more than typing.
Kirt
> <sigh> You found me out. I admit it. I started to feel homosexual passion,
> but this scared the bejeevers out of me, so quenched it as soon as I
> realized it. I quenched it by, as you say, jumping into my left brain for a
> quick, releasing, dose of clinical analysis. <whew!> That was close. I
> almost converted for keeps. :-*)
pity was the emotion i had in mind, not homosexual passion.
> I hope I didn't spoil it for you, though. :-)
you didn't. you confirmed it.
Kirt
> Now that summer's coming it appeals more than typing.
summer flies south for the winter.
Mart
:^(
Mart
Robert Claffie (TeamD)
>> Hey, I got a C64!
>I got an Etch-a-Sketch!
I got a rock.
rob :)
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(401) 438-7100 x 366
Kirt
> From: "Mark Lauter" <markl...@hotmail.com
>
> >Personally, I don't want to be tackled by a homosexual.
>
> For all you know, you have been or will be. Unless you go around the
> other players demanding to know their sexuality first.
he may want to avoid playing professional football :)
Robert Claffie (TeamD)
>One of the best I've seen in years
How did you get it to run? I just got some HTML code in WordPad.
Robert Claffie (TeamD)
>Personally, I don't want to be tackled by a homosexual.
For all you know, you have been or will be. Unless you go around the
other players demanding to know their sexuality first.
rob
Robert Claffie (TeamD)
>That is why it is essential to stop gays from pushing their agenda of
>conversion.
Conversion??? Where the hell do you get this drivel from? You can't
convert a straight person gay any more than you can turn a gay person
straight. Period. What do you think this is, some cult religion?
Robert Claffie (TeamD)
>Or, some would say they have the gay gene defect, but I still think
it's
>environmental and not gene-related.
I gotta differ with you there. I grew up in very straight surroundings
and environment, however, I'm as queer as a three-dollar bill.
rob :)
Jeff Rhodes
news:3BD85989...@benefitconceptsinc.com...
> From: "Robert F. Tulloch" <tul...@attglobal.net>
>
> >That is why it is essential to stop gays from pushing their agenda of
> >conversion.
>
> Conversion??? Where the hell do you get this drivel from? You can't
> convert a straight person gay any more than you can turn a gay person
> straight. Period.
Maybe, but what about the more impressionable ages, like children? Are they
influenced when their teacher teaches them what kinds of sex he thinks are
worth trying out?
> What do you think this is, some cult religion?
I don't think he thinks that.
Jeff
Jeff Rhodes
"Mart" <ROT13:zn...@genvafhesvat.pbz> wrote in message
news:3bd850eb_2@dnews...
> > summer flies south for the winter.
>
> :^(
With such a reaction, I'm suddenly convinced that you are living in Finland.
An icy wind blows now. The darkness invades early evenings and lingers long
mornings. The singing of the birds, all gone. Thin, grey, leafless branches
crack the sky. All color, blotted out. Snow-draped grey days and black
nights. Yes, it's winter now, but won't Spring seem all the more spectacular
because of it?
I feel for you, man. I'm bumbed. I'm sunk deep in your depression. Can't you
finds some nice pubs with some laughter and hot drinks?
Jeff
Kirt
> From: "Mart" <ne...@trainspamsurfing.com>
>
> >One of the best I've seen in years
>
> How did you get it to run? I just got some HTML code in WordPad.
i started the media player up, then pasted the url into it's open
dialog.
Kirt
> I gotta differ with you there. I grew up in very straight surroundings
> and environment, however, I'm as queer as a three-dollar bill.
as harvey milk used to say, if environment were all *that*
important, there'd be a lot of nuns running around :)
Robert Claffie (TeamD)
>Thus, homosexuality seems to be just a variation of the nature. Since
this
>sexual orientation does not hurt anybody, discrimination of these
people is
>plain stupid and inhuman.
Excellently put.
>At least no gay tried to convince me that
>heterosexuality is evil and homosexuality the only valid way to live.
Well I could try, but one of two things would happen: 1) either my
arguments would collapse into themselves because they'd be ridiculous,
or 2) I would collapse into a fit of giggles over how silly I'd sound.
> So why should I be against their way of life and love?
I ask myself this question over and over. Why do people try to make
laws over things that would never effect them? Why do straight
religious zealots care so much? What's the big deal?
Jeff Rhodes
> From: "Jeff Rhodes" <jeff...@hotmail.com>
>
> >Or, some would say they have the gay gene defect, but I still think
> it's
> >environmental and not gene-related.
>
> I gotta differ with you there. I grew up in very straight surroundings
> and environment, however, I'm as queer as a three-dollar bill.
That's worth noting. When you say "straight surroundings," did you mean
straight parents who love each other, stay married, and have enough time to
nurture you?
Jeff
Mart
"Sort of like Molem fundamentalists"
Mart
Mart
Finland.
I wish!
Wait, no, that's Sweden.
> I feel for you, man. I'm bumbed. I'm sunk deep in your depression. Can't
you
> finds some nice pubs with some laughter and hot drinks?
I guess I could drink some port by the fireplace.
Mart
Jeff Rhodes
I feel a little lighter and brighter already. How was it for you? :-)
Jeff
Kirt
> That's worth noting. When you say "straight surroundings," did you mean
> straight parents who love each other, stay married, and have enough time to
> nurture you?
can't speak for him, but in my case, yes.
odd, some people seem to think that heterosexual is a very
delicate thing, that it must be protected so carefully.
Jeff Rhodes
> Jeff Rhodes wrote:
>
> > <sigh> You found me out. I admit it. I started to feel homosexual
passion,
> > but this scared the bejeevers out of me, so quenched it as soon as I
> > realized it. I quenched it by, as you say, jumping into my left brain
for a
> > quick, releasing, dose of clinical analysis. <whew!> That was close. I
> > almost converted for keeps. :-*)
>
> pity was the emotion i had in mind, not homosexual passion.
Well, I think I felt that too. Just to make sure, what does it feel like?
Sweaty palms, fast heart beat, red ears, flushed chest, shrinking underwear?
<g>
Seriously, the video is quite good. It compels that feeling, at least for
me.
> > I hope I didn't spoil it for you, though. :-)
>
> you didn't. you confirmed it.
Hmmmm :-(
Jeff
Jeff Rhodes
> Jeff Rhodes wrote:
>
> > That's worth noting. When you say "straight surroundings," did you mean
> > straight parents who love each other, stay married, and have enough time
to
> > nurture you?
>
> can't speak for him, but in my case, yes.
Some day, I'll figure all this out. Or maybe not. <sigh>
> odd, some people seem to think that heterosexual is a very
> delicate thing, that it must be protected so carefully.
Yes, guarding the last vestiges of our fading heterosexuality is allowing
neurosis to sack our sanity. :-*)
Jeff
Tom Mitchell
> summer flies south for the winter.
I heard that North Dakota got 2 feet of snow the other day...a freakish
blizzard or something.
Mark Lauter
> > other players demanding to know their sexuality first.
>
> he may want to avoid playing professional football :)
That's why I got in to programming. <g>
liz albin
> I gotta differ with you there. I grew up in very straight surroundings
> and environment, however, I'm as queer as a three-dollar bill.
But that might not be genetic anyway. Your environment starts in the
womb after all.
Mind you, I don't think this is a very /useful/ arguement. That is, I
don't think it matters whether we're born with a particular sexuality, or
develop it so young that we've no recollection of where or how.
liz albin
> i think it has something to do with the chosen or not chosen
> argument. not that i think that should matter either.
I agree.
Alrhough there's clearly not much choice in what one desires. What one
chases, maybe. Desire is very difficult to dictate.
Kirt
> Mind you, I don't think this is a very /useful/ arguement. That is, I
> don't think it matters whether we're born with a particular sexuality, or
> develop it so young that we've no recollection of where or how.
i think it has something to do with the chosen or not chosen
Mart
As long as we start talking about asphalt again soon, I think I'll hold up.
Mart
David Orriss Jr.
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:55:55 -0700, "David Orriss Jr."
> <jbuild...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Funny, I always thought intolerance was that medical condition that
>>meant you might need to wear adult-sized diapers... :)
>>
>
> The one that afflicts people who live in continents?
>
Yea! That one!
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liz albin
> >Funny, I always thought intolerance was that medical condition that
> >>meant you might need to wear adult-sized diapers... :)
> >>
> >
> > The one that afflicts people who live in continents?
> >
>
> Yea! That one!
That's why sensible adults wear thongs. Then we can live in countries.
John Wester
as it headed east.
--
John (looking at a winterwonderland)
Mark Reichert
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> Not the kind sponsored by the adult film industry, I take it :-)
Ah, no.
Mark Reichert
> Conversion??? Where the hell do you get this drivel from?
From Drivel R' Us.
Vik
> I realise that my opinion carries no weight in this matter
Users' opinions always count to us.
--
Vik
Roger Arnesen
> and environment, however, I'm as queer as a three-dollar bill.
Certainly one aspect of homosexuality is biological, this is evident from
the change in sexuality some people who undergo hormone treatment to change
their gender, also find that their gender preferential changes.
Roger