ANN: PaletteBar 3.15
Peter Hellinger
C++Builder 6 (including Standard and Personal Edition), featuring fast
access to the installed components:
Version: 3.15 - 01.09.2003
- Meta categories: Put the tabs of common palette in "meta categories" for
fast and simple access.
- Favourites: Put your most used components to a favorites list
- History: Have the last used components always in the history list, even
from session to session
- Drag & Drop components from PaletteBar to your form
- Search and Select components by name
- call help for component direct from PaletteBar
- full integrated in the Delphi IDE, including docking
- Supports IDE versions without CLX-Support (D6 Personal and D7 Personal)
- Multi language: English, German and Portuguese.
New Features:
- New A2Z-Toolbar
- Added Save-Feature to the search field
- Supports IDE version without CLX-Support (D6/D7 Personal Edition)
- Improved installation programm
- Bugs fixed
Download from:
http://delphi.helli.de/PaletteBar/palettebar.html
http://www.delphipages.com/result.cfm?ID=3926
http://codecentral.borland.com/codecentral/ccWeb.exe/listing?id=20191
tommy
I checked your palettebar but it is toooo slow and sometimes crashed my d7
on winxp ... I like component bar expert better because it is faster and has
sourcecode too so I can extend it as I like ... (search for CompBar in this
newsgroup)
"Peter Hellinger" <ma...@helli.de> wrote in message
news:bj0g1v$6hu$01$1...@news.t-online.com...
Mike Reichner
I think that your PaletteBar is a cheap, buggy and ugly immitation of
CompBAR. You have copied almost everything, even the icons (!), and you
don't even provide the sourcecode ...
QA section:
Q: What could someone do with your expert ?
A: Nothing ... except from appreciating efforts like dageek's who provided
such a tool (+sourcecode) without telling his name ....
Mike Reichner
TES-Technogies, Ontario
Marc Pelletier
news:3f54...@newsgroups.borland.com:
> Well ...
>
> I think that your PaletteBar is a cheap, buggy and ugly immitation of
> CompBAR.
Jeez! lighten up guys. Peter Hellinger has been kind enough to expose some
work that he has done for the benefit of everyone. He isn't asking for your
money (or your opinions ). If you prefer another component, then thank your
stars that you have multiple options, don't criticize people for providing
them.
Marc Pelletier
Goldak Exploration
Mike Reichner
> work that he has done for the benefit of everyone.
??? Kind enough to provide us what ? Time cost ????
I only had time cost to install and check his expert out after reading his
"impressive" advertised description ...
> He isn't asking for your money (or your opinions ).
> If you prefer another component, then thank your stars that you have
> multiple options, don't criticize people for providing them.
So what ??? So let us spread a virus without asking money and ... COME ON
FOLKS, DO NOT CRITICIZE US BECAUSE WE DO IT FOR FREE !
Marc, if you provide something and me that it is a super-duper thing and it
turns into a cheap, buggy and ugly copy of something else, I think that you
are just pulling my leg ...
Mike Reichner
TES-Technologies, Ontario
Chris
chris
"Peter Hellinger" <ma...@helli.de> wrote in message
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Peter Hellinger
> I checked your palettebar but it is toooo slow and sometimes crashed my d7
> on winxp ... I like component bar expert better because it is faster and
has
> sourcecode too so I can extend it as I like ... (search for CompBar in
this
> newsgroup)
Slow? WHAT is Slow?
WHEN does it chrash the IDE? Did you really try the 3.15 version?
Please use facts, no fiction.
Helli
Peter Hellinger
> I think that your PaletteBar is a cheap, buggy and ugly immitation of
> CompBAR. You have copied almost everything, even the icons (!), and you
> don't even provide the sourcecode ...
"I looks like CompBar and copied nearly every thing, even the icons, but IT
LOOKS UGLY". Aha.
Nice point of view: When it copies all and is ugly, then the original must
be ugly too, right? But with one point, youre right: It's cheap, it's
Freeware for everyone...
Some facts (I think you doesnt want to hear it, but maybe its for interest
for other people who read this thread):
Has an optional menu in the IDE
PB: yes CompBar: no
Drives and interacts with build in component palette
PB: yes CompBar: no
Search capabilities (searching, filtering, locating components)
PB: yes CompBar: only filtering
Lists components on loaded forms
PB: yes CompBar: no
Multiple language support
PB: yes CompBar: no
Different display modes (only icons, only text, both, different sizes)
PB: yes CompBar: no
Configurable in nearly everything
PB: yes CompBar: no
Runs when a Package with an Unit called "Unit1" is loaded into IDE
PB: yes CompBar: no
Runs with D7 Personal
PB: yes CompBar: no
Runs with D6 Personal
PB: yes CompBar: no
Runs with C++Builder 6 Standard
PB: yes CompBar: no
Runs with Kylix 3 Open
PB: soon CompBar: no
Development continued
PB: yes CompBar: ???
Many new features and extension for a cheap and ugly immitation, hu?
The icons are "stolen" from Internet Explorer, also did dageek, so what?
PaletteBar is written completely new from the scratch in the early summer of
this year, where there is NO reaction on mails from dageek, NO D7 support
for CompBar (only D5 and D6 available) and NO Sourcecode of CompBar is
available. Personally I think, that CompBar is alive again _because_
PaletteBar exists since a few month (first release of PaletteBar on 14.
June; release of CompBar 1.02 with source 6. August).
PaletteBar is internal complete different then CompBar, there is NO,
absolutley NO code of CompBar inside of PB.
Sourcecode for PaletteBar will be available - as for all of my projects in
the last 20 years - when I stop development for this project. This may be
when my ideas for this tool running empty...
And last but not least: If you dont like it - dont use it.
Helli
Peter Hellinger
> Marc, if you provide something and me that it is a super-duper thing
You tried it out, you dont like it. I dont force you to do this, it was your
free will, hu?
> turns into a cheap, buggy and ugly copy of something else, I think that
you
> are just pulling my leg ...
WHAT is cheap? WHAT is buggy? WHAT is ugly? Facts, not fiction.
And again: If you dont like it - dont use it.
Helli
Mark Reichner
please be serious,
about your facts
>> Has an optional menu in the IDE
>> PB: yes CompBar: no
who cares, never used ...
>> Drives and interacts with build in component palette
>> PB: yes CompBar: no
so what ... with compbar noone uses palette anymore
>> Search capabilities (searching, filtering, locating components)
>> PB: yes CompBar: only filtering
you don't even know what search is ... compbar supports filtering with masks
*, ?
i.e type ?Lab* and compbar will list all comps starting with any letter
followed by Lab*
filtering = search = locating ... anybody there ???
>> Lists components on loaded forms
>> PB: yes CompBar: no
so what ... who wants to list form components in an other window ... he can
do it on the form itsself !
>> Multiple language support
>> PB: yes CompBar: no
so what ... everybody understands english .. and if not compbar has only
icons ...
>> Different display modes (only icons, only text, both, different sizes)
>> PB: yes CompBar: no
so what ... the original mode is ok
>> Configurable in nearly everything
>> PB: yes CompBar: no
configure what ?
>> Runs when a Package with an Unit called "Unit1" is loaded into IDE
>> PB: yes CompBar: no
speak english ...
>> Runs with D7 Personal
>> PB: yes CompBar: no
wrong ... it does .. recompile it and voila ...
>> Runs with D6 Personal
>> PB: yes CompBar: no
wrong ... it does .. recompile it and voila ...
>> Runs with C++Builder 6 Standard
>> PB: yes CompBar: no
wrong ... it does .. recompile it and voila ...
>> Runs with Kylix 3 Open
>> PB: soon CompBar: no
do you know what's next in CompBAR ? wow !
>> Development continued
>> PB: yes CompBar: ???
huh ?
>> Many new features and extension for a cheap and ugly immitation, hu?
extensions ? what extension ?
>> Personally I think, that CompBar is alive again _because_
>> PaletteBar exists since a few month (first release of PaletteBar on 14.
>> June; release of CompBar 1.02 with source 6. August).
hmm I got CompBar from sourceforge when it was available (1.02 with delphi 7
support) on 17 August 2002 ! ...
>> PaletteBar is internal complete different then CompBar, there is NO,
>> absolutley NO code of CompBar inside of PB.
I noticed ... it is extremely slow by loading ...
>> And last but not least: If you dont like it - dont use it.
I won't ...
regards
Mark Reichner,
TES-Technologies, Ontario
PS: I wont' get into this discussion anymore ... God bless you ....
Peter Hellinger
> please be serious,
The only one who is not serious is YOU, my friend.
> do you know what's next in CompBAR ? wow !
Personally I think, there comes nothing more. One year no development, no
live signs and then a version "as is" - that dont look like a great
extension in the future. May I'm surprised.
>who cares, never used ...
>so what ...
>so what ...
>so what ...
>so what ...
>speak english ...
>configure what ?
>huh ?
> extensions ? what extension ?
A feature or extension YOU did not use is useless for ALL? Wow - are you
GOD?
> hmm I got CompBar from sourceforge when it was available (1.02 with delphi
7
> support) on 17 August 2002 ! ...
>From: "dageek" <dag...@mail.com>
>Newsgroups: borland.public.delphi.non-technical
>Subject: Component Bar Expert (CompBAR)
>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:40:37 -0700
>
>Hello all,
>
>finally I managed to make a new version of CompBAR and I realeased a new
>version (1.0.2) supporting Delphi 7.
>
>Get it from http://www.geocities.com/componentbar
>
>Long lives Delphi
>dageek
You have 1.02 a whole year before dageek have a 1.02. Cool! What time
machine did you use? A Sony?
We discuss this a few month ago. Maybe the source was there, maybe not.
Fact is, that in 2003 the source was not there, and the only download for
CompBar was on Delphi Pages, with Versions for D5 and D6 (Version 1.01)
until August 2003 with Version 1.02. Believe me: If there was a D7 Version
(I tried hard to find it, including contact with dageek), I never wrote
PaletteBar...
> I noticed ... it is extremely slow by loading ...
2 Seconds on a 1 Ghz Athlon with XP and D7 Enterprise (and all components)
for reading out the packages as told in OpenTools API instead of hacking
into undocumented IDE structures. If this is too long for you, you must be
in great hurry...
Helli
PS: Please do not answer, I'm really tired about those guys like you. I
better spent my time to polish up this cheap and ugly immitation for the
users, that like it.
Peter Hellinger
"Mark Reichner" <m.rei...@tes-tech.com>...
Hm. I love to talk to people who know who they are...
Aaron Chan
crashes too often. Also, i tried to remove the "toolbar" but there's always
one button left. As well as this, I don't like the menu on the IDE toolbar.
--
Regards,
Aaron Chan
Aerodynamica Software
http://www.aerodynamica.idz.net
Shawn Oster
> C++Builder 6 (including Standard and Personal Edition), featuring fast
> access to the installed components:
What are the benefits of this over CompBar? You will have a hard time
swaying anyone that already uses CompBar because it is a fact that the UI
looks 95% like CompBar. There are actually a few other styles I'd like to
see in a component expert that to me would actually make your component
worth downloading. Try to truly improve upon what has come before instead
of just mimicking. I'm curious why you decided to mimic another
developer's UI instead of creating your own?
Things I'd like to see that would make it worth something:
- Flyout VS.NET style (docks to the left and expands upon mouse hover,
collapses when you select a component)
- Non-first letter component searching (I should be able to type Combo
and get all controls with the word combo in them)
- Auto-Hide, after I double-click a component the bar goes away
- Customizable font and ability to hide status bar and toolbar
- New right-click menu item from form designer that has sub-menus of all
the components
- Stable
There are a few others but those were on the top of my head.
Shawn
Tedd
I personally agree with the others who mentioned that PaletteBar only try to
mimic compbar copying (or trying at least) its interface and usage model
without adding any serious or worth-using features
> Personally I think, there comes nothing more. One year no development, no
> live signs and then a version "as is" - that dont look like a great
> extension in the future. May I'm surprised
Why suprised ? Version 1.01 was OK. Version 1.02 introduced D7 support and
minor bugfixes. And do not forget the major feature it has introduced is ...
SOURCECODE !
> You have 1.02 a whole year before dageek have a 1.02. Cool! What time
> machine did you use? A Sony?
I got the same version (1.02 D7 support) on September 2002 as CompBAR was
available from SourceForge ... but without source ... only the binaries. I
assume that dageek made recently public the 1.02 version because of the
sourcecode bundled with it.
BTW ... Sony PC ?
> 2 Seconds on a 1 Ghz Athlon with XP
On my PC 1.6 Ghz it takes for PaletteBar 4 seconds to load 560 components
and 0.5 secs for CompBAR
> for reading out the packages as told in OpenTools API instead of hacking
> into undocumented IDE structures
Most of us really do not care if he hacks into undocumented IDE structures
(personally I love the way he does the trick). The point is that he does it
and he does it really fast (!) and clean.
bye
Peter Hellinger
> What are the benefits of this over CompBar?
Look at my postings or at my homepage (http://delphi.helli.de)
> - Non-first letter component searching (I should be able to type Combo
> and get all controls with the word combo in them)
Try the edit field and the Go-Button...
> - Auto-Hide, after I double-click a component the bar goes away
Nice Idea. Maybe in future versions...
> - Customizable font
Try the context menu in the list outside the components or the configuration
dialog
> ability to hide status bar
Whats wrong with the statusbar? But, OK, no problem to hide it.
> hide toolbar
How do you access all the functions without a menu? So the Menu-Button could
not switched off like the others und must remain with the toolbar (menu
entry in the IDE main menu can be switched off, so you have no access
anymore to any functions)
> - New right-click menu item from form designer that has sub-menus of
all
> the components
Nice idea, but not possible from my point of view without digging deep in
undocumented structures of the IDE.
> - Stable
I think it is stable, if not, i didn't release it. (Tested on Win2K and XP
with C++6, D6 Enterprise, D6 Personal, D7 Enterprise). If you have any
problems please report it to me, I try to fix it.
> There are a few others but those were on the top of my head.
Let me know your thoughts, maybe you find it in a future version of PB.
Helli
dageek
I see that a war is going on here ... cool down guys !
Let me clear something here ...
1. About the feature of CompBAR ...
There will be further development in CompBAR for sure, such as flyout forms
and more ...
2. About the versioning ...
I created on August 2002 a sourceforge project itending to put there the
sourcecode (after some polishment) but I didn't managed to complete it and
uploaded only the binaries of v1.02 with Delphi 7 support. So after about
3-4 months, sourceforge canceled my project because of no sourcecode
availability.
For about 1 year, I fought with cancer. I managed to get away (for the time
beeing) and "came back" again. I made some minor minor-minor-minor
bugfixes, without changing the version number (imagine a "1.0.2.1" version
... hehe) and made it public.
3. About features, extensions, copying look and feel, mimics and soon ...
Personally, I think that the end-user is the one who decide which tool he
wants to keep and why.
Long live Delphi (ok ok ... and Borland)
dageek
PS: Peace ...
Peter Hellinger
> I tried it and it crashes too often.
Can you tell me when it chrashes? Maybe via email? I've tested the last
version about 2 weeks on nearly an combination I have access to...
> Also, i tried to remove the "toolbar" but there's always
> one button left.
I explaind it before: If you hide the toolbar complete, you have no access
to the functions of the program (meta categories, config etc.)
> As well as this, I don't like the menu on the IDE toolbar.
In the configuration dialog, simply switch it off and restart the IDE.
Helli
dageek
It is true that Peter couldn't contacte me because the fact that after
sitting again (after 1 year) in front of my PC and logging into my mail.com
account, I saw that there were about 2000 messages pending ... so I read
only the first 200 ... sorry Peter :(
About PaletteBar ... it is nice to see someone WITHOUT using some really hot
"hacks" bringing PaletteBar at life :)
That are we ... PURE DELPHIANS !
Long Lives Delphi
dageek
Peter Hellinger
> For about 1 year, I fought with cancer.
I hope your doing better now, and stay here with us for a long time...
> Personally, I think that the end-user is the one who decide which tool he
> wants to keep and why.
I tried to contact you in April and May this year, desparetly looking for a
D7 version fo Compbar. Never get an answer (now I know why), so I decide to
write my own version, and put some things in, that I missed in CompBar. I
really think both tools can exist together, and the user has the choice
which one he wants.
Good luck to you.
Helli
Rich Bakos
> filtering = search = locating ... anybody there ???
Who's the one who doesn't know what searching is? Filtering is *not*
searching.
Reading your somewhat rude posts have been a ridiculous waste of my
immeasurably valuable time.
<PLONK>
- Rich Bakos
Jeff Amerwall
> Who's the one who doesn't know what searching is? Filtering is *not*
> searching.
1. User has a list of string
2. User wants to [__search__] for the word "dummhead"
3. User [__filters__] the list by applying the [__filter__] "dumm*"
4. List shows 3 strings
5 User finds the word that he[ __searched__] for
with love, jeff :)
Allan Knox
You have a very healthy attitude. I do hope and trust that all other
parts are restored to the same level of health - completely, and soon.
Incidentally, make sure you have a good spam filter. These days, you
can get 2,000 messages in a week.
Best wishes
Allan Knox
Arioch /BDV/
...while the fading voice of Peter whispered through the darkness:
PH> in CompBar. I really think both tools can exist together, and the
PH> user has the choice which one he wants.
Alas, beeing D5 user and have no sources for both CB and PB i have no
choice, though CB 1.02 is buggy :-(
--
If i had ears, i'd heard Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow - A Light In The Black
http://vowca.chat.ru/Fidolook_SL.png Mail: the_Arioch<at>nm<dot>ru
Peter Hellinger
> Alas, beeing D5 user and have no sources for both CB and PB i have no
> choice, though CB 1.02 is buggy :-(
I own nearly every Delphi starting from Turbo Pascal for Windows 3.1, Delphi
1, 3, 4, 6 and 7. I even have the C#Builder and a JBuilder2 (both are not
binary compatible to any Delphi version as far as I know), also Kylix 3
Open. But no D5 so far, so I'm unable to mak a D5 version of PaletteBar.
But from CompBar you can get the sources and it must compile with D5, I
think.
Look at http://www.geocities.com/componentbar/ for source.
Helli
Don
> Peter,
>
>>> And last but not least: If you dont like it - dont use it.
>
> I won't ...
So why the abusive posts then?
> regards
> Mark Reichner,
> TES-Technologies, Ontario
>
> PS: I wont' get into this discussion anymore ... God bless you ....
You have already made yourself look like a complete idiot.
Don
Arioch /BDV/
...while the fading voice of Peter whispered through the darkness:
PH> But from CompBar you can get the sources and it must compile with D5, I
PH> Look at http://www.geocities.com/componentbar/ for source.
Funny. Neither Torry, nor SF had the sources.
I will lok somewhen.
--
If i had ears, i'd heard Shocking Blue - Send Me A Postcard
marc hoffman
> I personally agree with the others who mentioned that PaletteBar only try
to
> mimic compbar copying (or trying at least) its interface and usage model
> without adding any serious or worth-using features
well, along the same line, you could say that both are copies of CodeRush's
the Super Palette. so why blame Peter for copying a copy?
Peter Hellinger
> well, along the same line, you could say that both are copies of
CodeRush's
> the Super Palette. so why blame Peter for copying a copy?
The people are not blaming me, they blaming theirselves.
I wrote PaletteBar because I used a long time CompBar on D6, and loved that
tool. I upgrade to D7 and there is no D7-Version available (we know the
whole story why not).
So I wrote my own, and make it a gift to the Borland community. From this
point of view PaletteBar IS a copy of CompBar, this I wrote in the
documentation, that is packed by to the programm since the first release -
the ability to read is a big advantage somehow. Now, in Version 3.15
PaletteBar has many extensions against CompBar, usefull for one group and
useless for the other. So, thats life, and no reason to attack me, I
thought. The basic is as always: If they don't like it, they should not use
it. Thank god, we have TWO tools to choose from!
An other point are the poeple who write "Its unstable", "this is handled
other than in CompBar", "this not implemented", "its slow", "could not hide
the statusbar", "this is buggy". I asked and asked again, but no further
response. Thats life again: Grumbling is much easyer then to be
constructive...
Helli
A bottle of greek vine makes one philosophical, hu?
marc hoffman
> An other point are the poeple who write "Its unstable", "this is handled
> other than in CompBar", "this not implemented", "its slow", "could not
hide
> the statusbar", "this is buggy". I asked and asked again, but no further
> response. Thats life again: Grumbling is much easyer then to be
> constructive...
indeed. as the saying goes, it's easier to be a critic then an artist ;-)