QRDesign - gone !
Quin
What happened, does anybody know?
For a while a message from Timo Hartman said that it was sold and an
announcement would be made soon.
I found that message when I went to look for upgrades one month ago.
There is no announcement and there is not even a website.
I only look for upgrades every 6 months or so because QRDesign did not
change very often.
I am migrating from D7 Enterprise to CodeGear Rad Studio Delphi 2007
Enterprise.
I therefore need the latest version of QRDesign and QRPP
It is very disappointing that this software vendor just closes shop or sells
his product off and to hell with the customers who invested in the product
and built commercial applications with it.
The cost, risk and stress implications of this are very high to me. If I
have to redevelop my mature applications to replace QRDesign this is a MAJOR
surprise that will have a massive impact on my finances.
I am a registered owner of QRDesign and QRPP.
I am surely at least entitled to the final version that was available before
the whole thing was sold.
Should I ask for assistance from EU or German Government to locate Timo?
Can you help?
Joe Griffin
> For a while a message from Timo Hartman said that it was sold and an
> announcement would be made soon.
> I found that message when I went to look for upgrades one month ago.
> There is no announcement and there is not even a website.
Two or three weeks ago, I looked again and there was a message saying
it had been sold to QBS Software. (www.qbssoftware.com) I think it
said that they (QBS) had said they would honour the existing licences.
I've not yet heard anything from QBS (neither a direct mail, as a
registered QRD / QRPP user, nor in their monthly news update which I
receive.)
Having discovered a (minor) bug in QRPowerPack a couple of days ago, I
might give them a call to see what's happening.
Regards,
... Joe
Member of the UK Borland User Group
Quin
I did find it at QBS and I emailed them.
24 hrs later still no reply.
My anger is rising ...
Everyone who bought these products also got the delphi code.
Maybe somebody should release the last version as open-source.
The version just prior to Timo selling out.
That will balance the scales of justice a bit.
Tit-4-Tat, I foresee no legal issues if it were done from outside of EU.
Anyway, I will wait until Monday in hope that QBS does the right thing.
If they give me the version that I'm entitled to I will call it quits.
I will still need to rethink the future use of the products.
Will have to see what QBS intends.
Just continue sell what version they have, or develop further?
Right now I just need a version for D2007
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Pierre Demers
> My anger is rising ...
You should be angry with yourself.
> I will still need to rethink the future use of the products.
Don't you read the newsgroups? Sorry to be the first to tell you, but
the QR's popularity has been nothing but downhill in the last 5-6
years. What do you expect from a vendor if he doesn't sell. Personnaly
I have dropped those products at least 6 years ago and never looked
back. Yes, I had to redo all my reports etc. at the time, and yes I was
... off too. But with the combo QR and QRDesign, it has been pretty
obvious for a long time that it wasn't going to be a winning situation.
If you intend to maintain your applications for many years to come, in
your spared times, start to convert to FR (fast report) or RB (report
builder). You can have two reports' writers for a while in your apps.
Regards
Pierre
Thomas Pfister
cool down <g>
Borland/CodeGear have changed the report engine in the version 7 from QR to
Rave... this change is a long time ago and the
market have changed to other report engine, like Rave, RB or FastReport.
I recommend to look into Rave Reports for your application
:-) thomas
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Fons Neelen
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> I recommend to look into Rave Reports for your application
Not a very objective recommendation being that you are associated with
Nevrona. It would be allright if it was clear that you are, but you don't
mention it.
Furthermore, because it is included with Delphi does not mean it is the best
solution. Yes, it is free, but so was QR and when a commercial app is being
build around it, replacing it after it is no longer available might actually
cost more in the long run than when one had chosen for example FR or RB.
Free is often shortsighted and only a quick win.
Just my opion.
Fons
Frans van Daalen
"Pierre Demers" <pierred...@SPAMsympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Don't you read the newsgroups? Sorry to be the first to tell you, but
> the QR's popularity has been nothing but downhill in the last 5-6
> years. What do you expect from a vendor if he doesn't sell. Personnaly
> I have dropped those products at least 6 years ago and never looked
> back. Yes, I had to redo all my reports etc. at the time, and yes I was
> ... off too. But with the combo QR and QRDesign, it has been pretty
> obvious for a long time that it wasn't going to be a winning situation.
>
> If you intend to maintain your applications for many years to come, in
> your spared times, start to convert to FR (fast report) or RB (report
> builder). You can have two reports' writers for a while in your apps.
>
> Regards
> Pierre
+1 Been there, did it. QRDesign had almost no support to begin with. Changed
to FR
MikeR
> Borland/CodeGear have changed the report engine in the version 7 from QR to
> Rave... this change is a long time ago and the
> market have changed to other report engine, like Rave, RB or FastReport.
Mike
Joe Griffin
> I did find it at QBS and I emailed them.
> 24 hrs later still no reply.
> My anger is rising ...
> Anyway, I will wait until Monday in hope that QBS does the right
thing.
> If they give me the version that I'm entitled to I will call it
quits.
I don't think you're being very reasonable over this! From what I know
(but I'm still using D7), QRDesign was not ported to D2007 by Timo. If
that's the case, you can hardly expect QBS to pick it up and have a
D2007 version running in no-time flat.
Each time, before I upgrade my Delphi version, I make sure that I can
get the *essential* components that I need for my work. One of the
reasons I'm still using D7 is that as far as I can see, the later
versions don't give my clients anything extra and I would take a major
hit on upgrade of many components in order to be fully equipped for a
later version of Delphi.
Although several posters to this thread have "damned" QR; in 12 years
of using Delphi, I've been able to do anything I wanted in the way of
reporting using it (together with some additions - PISoft's
"FastQRTable"; QRPowerPack and Llion's PDFLib, to name the 3 most
important).
... Joe
Member of the UK Developers Group
Quin
>
>> I did find it at QBS and I emailed them.
>> 24 hrs later still no reply.
>> My anger is rising ...
>
>> Anyway, I will wait until Monday in hope that QBS does the right
> thing.
>> If they give me the version that I'm entitled to I will call it
> quits.
>
> I don't think you're being very reasonable over this! From what I know
> (but I'm still using D7), QRDesign was not ported to D2007 by Timo. If
> that's the case, you can hardly expect QBS to pick it up and have a
> D2007 version running in no-time flat.
Timo got it to D2006, but I did not DL that version because never
had reason to while using D7. Only recently got D2007.
The D2006 ver should work in D2007 (or will make it work)
Just want the latest version before he sold out to QBS. That is what
I was hoping to download when found www.thsd.de totally gone!
Am I not entitled to that last version? If QBS will not give it to me,
I hope some other licensed user would email me a copy. My own
serial numbers will unlock the code as usual.
> Each time, before I upgrade my Delphi version, I make sure that I can
> get the *essential* components that I need for my work. One of the
> reasons I'm still using D7 is that as far as I can see, the later
> versions don't give my clients anything extra and I would take a major
> hit on upgrade of many components in order to be fully equipped for a
> later version of Delphi.
Am in the middle of moving from D7 to D2007.
Busy checking what *essentials* I will have to
buy/change or continue with. That is how I reached this point with
QRDesign. Truly had not expected it to be sold to QBS!
Getting the last version will be a case of damage control.
Will decide later (depending mainly on QBS) what to do next.
If QBS develop it further, may even buy it all again from them
some day. We will see.
> Although several posters to this thread have "damned" QR; in 12 years
> of using Delphi, I've been able to do anything I wanted in the way of
> reporting using it (together with some additions - PISoft's
> "FastQRTable"; QRPowerPack and Llion's PDFLib, to name the 3 most
> important).
Have also used QR and QRDesign and a few extras for more than
a decade and yes, it did everything very well indeed. It has been a
low-cost, powerful, flexible and stable way of providing reporting in
my apps. It did the job well. Actually it still does and because I have
the older code from the version I last downloaded I am not quite
dead yet. Just hope to avoid a sudden unplanned allocation of
resources to replace QR/D, or at least keep to a minimum.
Having the last licensed version may help.
I ignore guys like Pierre because I make my decisions regarding software
tools etc. on whatever makes most business sense at the time. Generally
that involves many things that are relevant to a project at the particular
time, and not all are in my control. Some projects and decisions are
taken by a group of people, not just me. Naturally costs, time, effort,
features and so on are high on the list for consideration.
Pierre sounds like a guy who codes for fun, tries to show how clever he
is on these forums, and gets paid by his mommy. It must be nice to
'work' in such circumstances.
If I ditched tools because I should have seen the writing on the wall, I
probably should have ditched Delphi at version 5 or at ver 7 and been
justified in doing so. Was Borland=>Inprise=>Boland again, and now
CodeGear a sign on the wall Pierre? What about when the key Delphi
brain bailed and went to Micro$oft, was that the end of the Delphi
world? And when M$ paid USD125Mil to Borland for some so called
licensing, was that the sign of another Lotus, dBase Ashton-Tate type
kill off? There are many signs.
Who'd have guessed D6 and D8 for .net and D2005 (which I bought
but could not use commercially) and D2006 would have been such
disasters by comparison to earlier versions.
Hindsight is 20-20 vision, huh?
And imho D2007 is a long way from the standard reached with D7,
it is just the best of all the versions since then.
But I do have hope for D2007 and the recent surge of energy at
CodeGear, and among other compelling reasons that is why
I am moving to it. Also I just love my Delphi and probably always
will!
> ... Joe
> Member of the UK Developers Group
>
Good thing about staying with QR/QRD etc for so long without
being compelled to move to any of the proliferation of reporting
products that emerged during the last decade (including ones
lumped in with Delphi), is that I now have a wider choice. Unlike
many developers who today are either RAVE or FR or RB
diciples. Just because that is what happened to came their way
one day in the past. Yet each one of them will wax lyrical about
their particular bundle.
:)
toni
I had several conversations with Timo and he was just closing his site.
After some month he was able to sell his components to QBSSoftware,
also publisher of Quick Report.
I've also an email from Lut Mentz from QBSSoftware saying they will
continue developing on QRDesign and could be in one of the next major
upgrades of QR it will become the default report editor.
I've to point out I'm very happy with QR in combination with QRDesign.
Me and a lot of my customers realized very sofisticated reports. So
changing the report engine of my application is nearly impossible.
To compile QR (I'm still using 3.06 prof) and QRDesign into the IDE of
D2007 was not a great problem for me. Let me know, should you need
further assistance on it.
Please, have a look into the reporting-charting newsgroup looking for
QRdesign.
best regards
Toni
Pierre Demers
> Pierre sounds like a guy who codes for fun, tries to show how clever
> he is on these forums, and gets paid by his mommy. It must be nice to
> 'work' in such circumstances.
Free comments and personnal attacks!! You are bitter alright :) What
made you think I code for fun? Because I ditched QR and QRDesign...and
absorbed the time and effort to do it... strong logic. There must be at
least thousands of programmers who have done the same, are they all
paid by their mommys. Weak weak weak.
Anyway, I SINCERLY hope that everything turns out OK for you and that
you still can use QR and QRDesign for many years to come. I dropped QR
because I had hit a wall at the time and they could not resolved it. I
know that many people still use and like QR, good for you and them. Me,
I chose otherwise and never regret it. And finally, calm down, you seem
a bit stressed.
Pierre
Mike Paterson
Yes, QBS now own, publish, develop, support QRDesign.
Your disgruntlement at lack of proper announcement etc., is justified. The
boss who did the deal went on quite a longish holiday (as bosses are wont to
do), recently back. We shall put things to rights as soon as we can. I hope
those of you who are QuickReport users will have some confidence that we'll
look after QRDesign and take it forward.
Whoever didn't get a prompt response from us on your query, please mail me
directly, I'll look into it.
I hope this works, I'm going to hit the Send button now.
Regards
Mike Paterson for QBS
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Pierre Demers
One last thing...After reading my original post, I must admit I sounded
like a wise ass and for that I apologize. I know the state you are in
(been there), so I understand your reaction.
Regards
Pierre
A Pham
process of
upgrading our compiler and switch from QR to RV and guested what, we dumped
a trouble
one (QR ex: nasty bug if a report has problem with Printer) to the next (RV
ex: frozen when closing
review - we had to fix the bug and submited a patch but rejected because it
rarely happen - nice way
of feed back from a customer).
If you are using QR, do not upgrade to RV
Cheers,
A Pham
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Tom Corey
> If you intend to maintain your applications for many years to come, in
> your spared times, start to convert to FR (fast report) or RB (report
> builder). You can have two reports' writers for a while in your apps.
That's exactly what we're going to do with our product. QR will exist
in it for the next major release, but will be deprecated. It's only job
will be to run existing client custom reports. New reports, as well as
the standard reports will be done in RB.
We've struggled with QR for too long.
Tom Corey
> Maybe somebody should release the last version as open-source.
> The version just prior to Timo selling out.
> That will balance the scales of justice a bit.
> Tit-4-Tat, I foresee no legal issues if it were done from
> outside of EU.
You know, reading this it sounds an awful lot as though you are
advocating something illegal.
> Anyway, I will wait until Monday in hope that QBS does the right
> thing. If they give me the version that I'm entitled to I will call
> it quits.
And if they don't - or don't agree that you're 'entitled' - what will
you do?
Joe Griffin
> This is my first ever posting to a newsgroup, so be gentle!
Yup, but you also post on Cix <G>
Mike, last week I found a minor problem with the wwQRGrid component in
"QR Power Pack". (It throws an exception id the underlying table
doesn't have persistent fields.) I've sorted it, but it would be nice
if it could be fed back into the official source. Is Lut the person to
contact? (I would have thrown it at Ian Butterworth, but he escaped
some time ago.)
Cheers,
Thomas Pfister - TeamNevrona-
> Not a very objective recommendation being that you are associated with
> Nevrona. It would be allright if it was clear that you are, but you don't
> mention it.
I've added my relation to Nevrona in the name, now it should be OK ?!
>changed to other report engine, like Rave, RB or FastReport.
I've listed some other good report engines, too, not onyl my favourite
engine.
cheers!
:-) thomas
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Fons Neelen
> I've added my relation to Nevrona in the name, now it should be OK ?!
It was not personal, just I do not like advice to be given for any
application from someone who is associated with it and do not mention this
as part of the advice - it is kind of misleading. Adding Nevrona to your
name is just fine and honest. Thanks.
>
>>changed to other report engine, like Rave, RB or FastReport.
> I've listed some other good report engines, too, not onyl my favourite
> engine.
Yep, you did, which was nice.
Best regards,
Fons
Quin
> changing the report engine of my application is nearly impossible.
Same here, for the last decade, reporting has been the least
of my worries.
The QR/QRD combo has been powerful, flexible and stable.
Aside from not being able to contact Timo very easily, the
customers and I had it all. And because the s-code was
there, I never ever hit a brick wall.
I have yet to face a reporting challenge that could not be solved by
QR and QRD. As far as I can tell by studying the features and claims
from all the other reporting products, there is nothing they have
that could compel me to change.
I hope I can stay with this combo. That depends on QBS.
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Mike Paterson
Yes, Cix, been doing that for yonks, anyway, on my private account. Just
about got that hang of it!
Yes, Lut is still doing all development and support of QuickReport and now
QRDesign also. By all means contact him directly if you have been doing so
and he's happy with that, else all mails to sup...@qbssoftware.com will be
channelled correctly. I happen to know that Lut is away the next several
days, so you won't get direct response from him personally immediately, but
our tech department can help if there's anything urgent.
The latest position on QRDesign is as follows, quoting from Lut's mail of
yesterday:
QRDesign supported in
Delphi 5/6/7/2005/2006/2007
C++Builder 5/6/2005/2006/2007
Cheers
Mike
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