Scheduler/Planner components?
Carlos
DevExpress and TMS scheduler components. I would like to hear opinions from
people already using these components, and possible advantages of one over
the other.
Thanks!
Carlos
ssamayoa
I tried DevExpress but is to "cooked" then less flexible.
I used JVCL's ones (I think TMS was who donated it to the JVCL project),
are more primitiv than DevExpress but you have better control because is
less "cooked". NOTE: Change the colors, the default colors of the
components are "outdated".
Regards.
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Nathanial Woolls
We make extensive use of the DevExpress scheduler and have never had any
problems with it. It works great, looks great, and has a large number of
features, including many Office 2007 features.
I'm not sure what the above poster meant by it not being flexible - this
has never been a problem for us. We use a custom event editor, custom
fields, a custom backend (not databound), etc.
Walter Matte
Walter
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Dave Nottage [TeamB]
If you haven't already, you might also like to look at:
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Dave Nottage [TeamB]
Kees Vermeulen (Kever-IT)
Carlos,
What kind of Scheduling do you need?
Kever-IT delivers planning and scheduling components targeted at project
management, machine scheduling and production scheduling. Besides all
the visual controls (gantt, calendars availability graphs) our suite
also includes an advanced schedule engine.
More information can be found at: www.kever.com
Regards,
Kees Vermeulen
Kever-IT
Carlos schreef:
Lee Jenkins
I used TMS components to create an employee scheduling program. Great
components. Easy to use and work great.
My subscription has expired and I wish they'd still let me access the
newsgroups, but other than that, support is as good as the components themselves.
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Warm Regards,
Lee
Ken Randall
> newsgroups
Just exactly why should they!
Ed Dressel
> My subscription has expired and I wish they'd still let me access the
> newsgroups
ouch.
Roy Lambert
How about the ng's are meant to be peer to peer support even though TMS personnel do answer queries and it would be very good marketing.
Roy Lambert
Ed Dressel
situation.
"Ken Randall" <kenra...@NOSPAMindependentsoftware.co.uk> wrote in message
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Bill Mullen
that you are really purchasing a subscription.
Bruno Fierens [tmssoftware.com]
"Active registered users have access to free priority email support
services, access to support newsgroups, access to development tracker to
steer development, free updates for a full version cycle"
--
Kind regards,
Bruno Fierens
TMS software
Productivity components for Windows, .NET, IntraWeb development
http://www.tmssoftware.com
Bruno Fierens [tmssoftware.com]
an very small number of companies
but that of course is your free choice that we respect.
Ed Dressel
> If you expect lifetime support for a product, I'm afraid you'll be left
> with an very small number of companies
> but that of course is your free choice that we respect.
But also, I didn't say that. It sounds like all of your support, including
newsgroups (which are typcally peer-to-peer), is exclusive to active
licenses. That's your choice. Just makes your products a lot less attactive
to me.
Delphi's 3rd party world is a tough place to be. I want/need the 3rd party
world to thrive. I hope you do well-iit keeps your competitors on their toes
too. :-)
Hannes Danzl[NDD]
I don't know what you're using them for, but I had some major issue with both
when trying to use them for a product that had to display japanese and arabic
character sets. Spacing/sizing of slots was the main problem with wrong
margins and partly incapability of displaying right to left properly. A lot of
manual work was required to "fix" the things to a *satifactorly* level. It's
nowhere near perfect yet. Please note that this applies on version about 1
year old, so things might have changed. Just wanted to put a caveat in.
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Q Correll
| If you expect lifetime support for a product, I'm afraid you'll be
| left with an very small number of companies
If I understand correctly, it is NOT "lifetime support" under
discussion. It's a newsgroup.
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Q
04/28/2008 14:56:23
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Q Correll
| | My subscription has expired and I wish they'd still let me access
| | the newsgroups
|
| Just exactly why should they!
Because Ed, like myself, own a valid license(s) for the DevEx
product(s) we have which did not have any "subscription" strings
attached when we bought it(them)?
Why shouldn't we be allowed to participate in the peer-to-peer
newsgroups? It smacks a tad of extortion to say one cannot participate
unless they send money on a regular (yearly) basis. <g>
However, it is THEIR newsgroup and they can do whatever they choose to
do with it. <shrug>
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Q
04/28/2008 14:49:03
Luke Miller
support. I would never buy anything from a company that had that policy.
In general, it appears that most companies provide access to there
newsgroups whether you upgrade or not. Example is DigitalMetaphors with
Report Builder. I was several versions behind and they still provided
support. The answer sometimes was the issue was resolved by saying I
needed to upgrade but at least I got an answer. Just my feedback.
Luke Miller
ResCorSoft, Inc.
Bruno Fierens [tmssoftware.com]
> product(s) we have which did not have any "subscription" strings
> attached when we bought it(them)?
I'm glad you choose a product with lifetime support.
> Why shouldn't we be allowed to participate in the peer-to-peer
> newsgroups?
A newsgroup that is monitored by our engineeers and where we
answer 80% to 90% of questions.
It smacks a tad of extortion to say one cannot participate
> unless they send money on a regular (yearly) basis. <g>
Stick to facts please. We provide support for a full version cycle,
that is well over 2 years with our typical version cycles !
> However, it is THEIR newsgroup and they can do whatever they choose to
> do with it. <shrug>
Definitely. We try to have a valid business model in the interest of the
customer
in order to be able to stay around and not cease to exist suddenly.
TurboPower
comes to mind.
Bruno
Bruno Fierens [tmssoftware.com]
It is a support channel that we monitor and where we answer 80% to 90%
of questions. Additional to this, we offer email support, so if you have a
question about an expired product, nothing prevents you to send email.
But well, no matter how we try to explain something,
I understand some users will never be happy until we give everything
away for free and offer free lifetime support, preferably with instant
replies.
I'm sorry we're an evil company that needs to pay its employees and
electricity,
software we use, hardware we use etc... without getting support from
venture capital
money we can burn.
Bruno
Bruno Fierens [tmssoftware.com]
answer 80 to 90% of questions.
If you value our time to be worth nothing, that's your free choice that we
respect.
We value our time though, sorry.
Bruno
Bruno Fierens [tmssoftware.com]
Oh well, Adrian, perhaps we should close doors on April 30 and opensource
everything
from May 1, 2008. That will perhaps make people a lot happier. And who
knows, I might
be happier too as carpet cleaner, I just hope I'll get paid to clean
carpets.
Ivan
> product(s) we have which did not have any "subscription" strings
> attached when we bought it(them)?
I also own TMS and DevEx components (and am very happy with the components and support of both) and
I think that some of the feeling coming through from this thread is due to the very different way
that TMS uses its newsgroups compared to other companies (like DevEx).
With DevEx or CodeGear or just about every other company newsgoups are for peer-to-peer support.
While the company may occasionally respond, it is the exception rather than the rule. DevEx for
example does almost all their support via direct email or phone calls. (and in my experience they
are very helpful)
The TMS newsgroups are primarily company support groups, not peer-to-peer support groups. Just
about every query is answered quickly by the staff. The nice thing about this is that all
subscribers can see the professional answers to others' questions, a service that you don't get with
the DevEx support system.
So my point is that while they use the same underlying technology, TMS newsgroups are very different
from other companies newsgroups. They are not really peer-to-peer groups. Not that there is
anything stopping anybody from setting up peer-to-peer groups. But the TMS subscriptions are so
inexpensive that keeping on the TMS-support newsgroups seems worth it to me at least.
Michael Fritz
<news:4816cbe9$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>:
> be happier too as carpet cleaner, I just hope I'll get paid to clean
> carpets.
Really? - I guess you won't be happier either ;-) And for what it's worth -
I like your components (as a still active licensee)
--
cu,
Michael
Ed Dressel
> away for free and offer free lifetime support, preferably with instant
> replies.
absolutely not. no one has siad that.
> I'm sorry we're an evil company that needs to pay its employees and
> electricity,
who said evil? at most, unfriendly. you are polarizing each position to make
your case.
Q Correll
Please don't be sorry. I did not realize it required that much of a
support requirement from staff!
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Q
04/29/2008 08:29:32
Bruno Fierens [tmssoftware.com]
> make your case.
i have the right to exagerate as much as some other users do about this
topic
Q Correll
| A newsgroup that is monitored by our engineeers and where we
| answer 80% to 90% of questions.
As I replied in my other post, I didn't realize that commitment.
| Stick to facts please. We provide support for a full version cycle,
| that is well over 2 years with our typical version cycles !
Guilty as charged. <g>
| TurboPower comes to mind.
Yes, it certainly does. <sigh>
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Q
04/29/2008 08:38:54
Q Correll
| I was not going to comment on this thread because I find everything so
| absurd, but sorry, I can't resist. I also know I should cool down
| before writing this, but I won't. (and I know I will regret it)
|
| 1) I am happy to hear that you and Ed own valid license(s) for the
| DevEx products, but I fail to see how this can be relevant to the
| topic.
ROFL! I was "bopping through" the thread and didn't even realize it
was about TMS. Mea culpa.
| Well, I apologize in advance because I know I will find this post too
| harsh when I re-read tomorrow, but I have to say it. We work very hard
| in supporting our customers, and we are very proud of it. And I am
| really offended by this kind of comments.
I read your entire post, Adrian. And I understand your points and
position. And I am sorry if I offended you.
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Q
04/29/2008 08:32:09
Q Correll
| The TMS newsgroups are primarily company support groups, not
| peer-to-peer support groups.
Which was MY misunderstanding. Mea culpa.
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Q
04/29/2008 08:42:14
Q Correll
| But well, I guess if that were the case this newsgroups would
| have a quarter of the traffic and not be much fun ;)
<chuckle>
My problem was my ignorance of the actual situation. And "scanning" so
quickly I didn't even know what thread I was in. <g>
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Q
04/29/2008 13:41:37
yannis
[Snip...]
It costs you nothing to let a previous customer read your news groups
actually it cost you nothing to let any one that wants to read your
news groups and the active license holders be able to post (questions
and answers). To keep them out of the loop (information channel) is for
sure a reason not to get involved with your company. If it is good
enough is an other mater all together.
Regards
Yannis.
--
A man can't be too careful in the choice of his enemies.
- Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
Ivan
> Bruno Fierens [tmssoftware.com] explained :
> [Snip...]
>
> It costs you nothing to let a previous customer read your news groups
> actually it cost you nothing to let any one that wants to read your news
> groups and the active license holders be able to post (questions and
> answers). To keep them out of the loop (information channel) is for sure
> a reason not to get involved with your company. If it is good enough is
> an other mater all together.
>
> Regards
> Yannis.
>
I see your point. But on the other hand...
With the current system they can be certain that anybody asking a question on the newsgroup has paid
for support. With an open group this wouldn't be the case. So the amount of time they devote to
answering/solving each individual problem on the newsgroup may really be because it is a closed
group. With an open newsgroup this might not be possible. Certainly I haven't seen any company
with an open newsgroup which devotes as much attention to each individual question on the newsgroup
as TMS.
But of course we are all used to having companies provide a forum for us users to get in contact
with each other. Maybe TMS should consider ALSO having an open newsgroup that they don't monitor
for this purpose? Then again that group would not attract the active users as the monitored group
would be available for them. And when we post to newsgroups it is typically to contact those active
users.
yannis
> yannis wrote:
>> Bruno Fierens [tmssoftware.com] explained :
>> [Snip...]
>>
>> It costs you nothing to let a previous customer read your news groups
>> actually it cost you nothing to let any one that wants to read your news
>> groups and the active license holders be able to post (questions and
>> answers). To keep them out of the loop (information channel) is for sure a
>> reason not to get involved with your company. If it is good enough is an
>> other mater all together.
>>
>> Regards
>> Yannis.
>>
>
> I see your point. But on the other hand...
>
> With the current system they can be certain that anybody asking a
> question on the newsgroup has paid for support. With an open group
> this wouldn't be the case.
I am referring to a read only access. This means that I can't post
question or consume any of your stuffs valuable time. I understand the
need to get paid for your time after all regardless of the product what
we actually sell is our time, I just say that it is in your best
interest to let the registered users have at least read only access to
your groups (write access if they have an active subscription). Public
access is something else.
Regards
Yannis.
--
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
Q Correll
| I just say that it is in your best interest to let the registered
| users have at least read only access to your groups (write access if
| they have an active subscription).
I concur.
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Q
04/30/2008 08:43:52
Ivan
> I am referring to a read only access. This means that I can't post
> question or consume any of your stuffs valuable time. I understand the
> need to get paid for your time after all regardless of the product what
> we actually sell is our time, I just say that it is in your best
I agree read-only access for everybody would seem to be a good idea. I suspect that it would also
be helpful in making sales. Potential buyers are always wondering how actively supported a product
is. If they could see the newsgroup they would know.
By the way I have nothing to do with TMS (other than buying a license).
Yogi Yang
> I'm searching for scheduler/planners components and found mostly the
> DevExpress and TMS scheduler components. I would like to hear opinions from
> people already using these components, and possible advantages of one over
> the other.
>
>
> Carlos
>
>
If you are looking for free and/or open source one then TurboPower has
released a Planner VCL on source forge.
Search for TurboPower on sf.net
Ed Dressel
wow.
fei
http://www.cookcode.com
thanks
hongbin.fei
"Q Correll" <qcor...@pacNObell.net>
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Mike
access any help
or support (junk and greedy) service
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>I should not have said it so blutly, my apologies.
>
>> If you expect lifetime support for a product, I'm afraid you'll be left
>> with an very small number of companies
>> but that of course is your free choice that we respect.
>
> But also, I didn't say that. It sounds like all of your support, including
> newsgroups (which are typcally peer-to-peer), is exclusive to active
> licenses. That's your choice. Just makes your products a lot less
> attactive to me.
>
> Delphi's 3rd party world is a tough place to be. I want/need the 3rd party
> world to thrive. I hope you do well-iit keeps your competitors on their
> toes too. :-)
>
Mike
After few month my hidden license expired I emailed you, then I got asking
about my registration information (I don't remember)
any way, your response was I need to renew my license..
guys, please don't support this kind support or product
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Mike
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Yannis
regards
Yannis
Monte Carver
As a user of TMS Software components for several years now, I have nothing but complements
of the support received as well as the excellent components. I personally have probably
sent sent 20 emails to TMS's support email in the last five years. I do not recall ever
having an issue with the support, as all queries were responded to in a timely manner. In
fact TMS has incorporated in subsequent releases some of my wishes/recommendations. As
for the licensing... THERE ARE NO ISSUES. My subscription has expired in the past, but
the components continue to work. There are no time bombs etc. Once, I renewed my
subscription, I was able to receive updates again.
My 2 cents.
Regards,
Monte Carver