So will it be TeamE now?
Cody Skidmore
:-)
Thomas Pfister
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John
> It looks like we need a Renaming refactoring for the community at large.
> :-)
How about TeamBarc ;)
somebody
question is probably moot.
Wayne Niddery (TeamB)
news:48220439$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Since there won't be a b.p.d.n-t soon, nor b.p.d.t for that matter, the
> question is probably moot.
Why do you think that?
--
Wayne Niddery - TeamB (www.teamb.com)
Winwright, Inc. (www.winwright.ca)
somebody
> "somebody" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
> > Since there won't be a b.p.d.n-t soon, nor b.p.d.t for that matter, the
> > question is probably moot.
> Why do you think that?
Huh? Are you suggesting Borland will keep hosting Delphi groups?
Dave Nottage [TeamB]
> Huh? Are you suggesting Borland will keep hosting Delphi groups?
I doubt Borland will. CodeGear, on the other hand..
--
Dave Nottage [TeamB]
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> "somebody" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
> news:48220439$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> > Since there won't be a b.p.d.n-t soon, nor b.p.d.t for that matter,
> > the question is probably moot.
>
>
> Why do you think that?
Probably because borland.public.* might disappear as prefix. <g>
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"Roses are #FF0000
Violets are #0000FF
All my base are belong to you!"
-- Geek Valentine T-shirt at ThinkGeek
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> somebody wrote:
>
> > Huh? Are you suggesting Borland will keep hosting Delphi groups?
>
> I doubt Borland will. CodeGear, on the other hand..
So b.p.something will probably disappear. It might become c.p.something
though.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"If electricity comes from electrons, does that mean that
morality comes from morons?" -- Unknown
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
>
> > So b.p.something will probably disappear. It might become
> > c.p.something though.
>
> I doubt they'll be renamed anytime soon. They haven't been since the
> split, so..
Well, no, but until now, CodeGear is still owned by Borland. Not sure
if the new owners would approve of the mention of Borland (if they care
about the NGs at all, of course).
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"The internet is not something you just dump something on. It's
not a truck. It's a series of tubes!"
-- Sen. Ted Stevens, chairman of the United States Senate
Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> It looks like we need a Renaming refactoring for the community at
> large. :-)
We didn't rename to TeamC either, did we?
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"War is fear cloaked in courage." -- General William Westmoreland
Dave Nottage [TeamB]
> So b.p.something will probably disappear. It might become
> c.p.something though.
I doubt they'll be renamed anytime soon. They haven't been since the
split, so..
--
Dave Nottage [TeamB]
Wayne Niddery (TeamB)
>
> Huh? Are you suggesting Borland will keep hosting Delphi groups?
What does that matter? They just go under a different domain. They are
already accessible as newsgroups.codegear.com. Depending on whether
"CodeGear" is retained or not, that might continue or it'll be something
else.
Ed
> Cody Skidmore wrote:
>
>> It looks like we need a Renaming refactoring for the community at
>> large. :-)
>
> We didn't rename to TeamC either, did we?
>
B, and with the possibility of the newsgroups moving to E,
then would it not understandable that TeamB become TeamE,
if there were a need for such a Team. Or possibily
TeamE would consist of members of E with some TeamB
retaining their Team membership?
Edmund
Gerard
> Wayne Niddery (TeamB) wrote:
>
>> "somebody" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
>> news:48220439$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>>> Since there won't be a b.p.d.n-t soon, nor b.p.d.t for that matter,
>>> the question is probably moot.
>>
>> Why do you think that?
>
> Probably because borland.public.* might disappear as prefix. <g>
>
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> > Probably because borland.public.* might disappear as prefix. <g>
> >
> Uh? We would have to throw away our "I live in b.p.o.t" T-shirts?
Yes, and I could throw away my bpot mousepad.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"Deliver yesterday, code today, think tomorrow." -- unknown
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
> > Cody Skidmore wrote:
> >
> > > It looks like we need a Renaming refactoring for the community at
> > > large. :-)
> >
> > We didn't rename to TeamC either, did we?
> >
> Because CG is still part of B. Now with CG not being part of
> B, and with the possibility of the newsgroups moving to E
Well, I heard that TeamB does NOT mean TeamBorland, but has historical
roots from when people were still on CompuServe. So it could still
remain TeamB.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"Liberty and democracy become unholy when their hands are dyed
red with innocent blood." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Keith Latham
> Ed wrote:
>
>> Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
>>> Cody Skidmore wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks like we need a Renaming refactoring for the community at
>>>> large. :-)
>>> We didn't rename to TeamC either, did we?
>>>
>> Because CG is still part of B. Now with CG not being part of
>> B, and with the possibility of the newsgroups moving to E
>
> Well, I heard that TeamB does NOT mean TeamBorland, but has historical
> roots from when people were still on CompuServe. So it could still
> remain TeamB.
>
>
you could think of it as Borland/Codegear employees are Team "A" and
then all you invited insiders are Team "B". :-)
Q Correll
| Well, I always thought that TeamB was Team Borland. But...
I don't think there are any "buts" about it.
--
Q
05/08/2008 10:32:15
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Q Correll
| Well, I heard that TeamB does NOT mean TeamBorland, but has historical
| roots from when people were still on CompuServe.
Well,... it does have Compuserve roots. But,... As I recall, TeamB
DID mean TeamBorland! (I was there in CIS from 1988-9. ;-) Also, as I
recall, in those days it was Borland that invited persons to become
TeamB members.
I lost all my old tape archive data pre-1997 some years ago so I can't
dredge-up any CIS CLMForum/SDForu, etc., messages where it was
discussed when someone asked "What's TeamB."
--
Q
05/08/2008 09:53:52
William Meyer
> (I was there in CIS from 1988-9. ;-)
I think I'm too old to remember exactly when I was there ;)
--
Bill
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> Rudy,
>
> > Well, I heard that TeamB does NOT mean TeamBorland, but has
> > historical roots from when people were still on CompuServe.
>
> Well,... it does have Compuserve roots. But,... As I recall, TeamB
> DID mean TeamBorland!
I was never on Compuserve. ISDN was only available in our house in
1997, and that was the first time I could go online on my own computer.
The (free) newsgroups already existed, and Compuserve was pretty
expensive, these days.
I was told it didn't refer to Borland directly, only indirectly. I was
told the B only referred to the section you entered when discussing
Borland stuff, so the TeamB name was historical.
I do remember that TeamB was not renamed to TeamI in the I*@&%$! days.
<g>
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"The competent programmer is fully aware of the limited size of
his own skull. He therefore approaches his task with full
humility, and avoids clever tricks like the plague."
-- Edsger W. Dijkstra, EWD340
Q Correll
| I think I'm too old to remember exactly when I was there ;)
<chuckle>
--
Q
05/08/2008 15:41:33
William Meyer
> <chuckle>
Yeah, you know what I mean ;)
--
Bill
Q Correll
| I was told it didn't refer to Borland directly, only indirectly.
I don't know who told you that, but it's not how I remember it.
However,... I can't prove it now. And sometimes my rememberer isn't as
accurate as I remember it used to be. ;-)
--
Q
05/08/2008 15:42:17
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> Rudy,
>
> > I was told it didn't refer to Borland directly, only indirectly.
>
> I don't know who told you that
Borland and TeamB old-timers. <g>
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a
chance to get its pants on."
-- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Keith Latham
> Rudy,
>
> | Well, I heard that TeamB does NOT mean TeamBorland, but has historical
> | roots from when people were still on CompuServe.
>
> Well,... it does have Compuserve roots. But,... As I recall, TeamB
> DID mean TeamBorland! (I was there in CIS from 1988-9. ;-) Also, as I
> recall, in those days it was Borland that invited persons to become
> TeamB members.
>
> I lost all my old tape archive data pre-1997 some years ago so I can't
> dredge-up any CIS CLMForum/SDForu, etc., messages where it was
> discussed when someone asked "What's TeamB."
>
>
One day my CIS access just stopped but by that time I didn't care too
much because I was already using the 'open' internet. But it did take
two years to get them to stop billing me, and boy was that a
hassle-and-a-half.
--
Keith
Keith Latham
> Rudy,
>
> | Well, I heard that TeamB does NOT mean TeamBorland, but has historical
> | roots from when people were still on CompuServe.
>
> Well,... it does have Compuserve roots. But,... As I recall, TeamB
> DID mean TeamBorland! (I was there in CIS from 1988-9. ;-) Also, as I
> recall, in those days it was Borland that invited persons to become
> TeamB members.
>
> I lost all my old tape archive data pre-1997 some years ago so I can't
> dredge-up any CIS CLMForum/SDForu, etc., messages where it was
> discussed when someone asked "What's TeamB."
>
>
Q Correll
| Yeah, you know what I mean ;)
Yes, Stanley,... I certainly do.
--
Q
05/09/2008 08:51:15
Q Correll
| One day my CIS access just stopped but by that time I didn't care too
| much because I was already using the 'open' internet. But it did take
| two years to get them to stop billing me, and boy was that a
| hassle-and-a-half.
I still had the phone number for the "Classic" users. I was only
paying $2.95 per month by that time but it stopped the very month I
called to cancel the works.
--
Q
05/09/2008 08:53:08
Q Correll
| Oh, yeah. Don't you still get invited onto TeamB?
Nope. <g>
--
Q
05/09/2008 08:54:44
Mike Orriss
> I still had the phone number for the "Classic" users. I was only
> paying $2.95 per month by that time but it stopped the very month I
> called to cancel the works.
Yeah, amount was so small that the hassle of cancelling meant it was
always put off until tomorrow :)
Credit card expiring saved me the trouble in the end.
--
Mike
William Meyer
> Yes, Stanley,... I certainly do.
OK, Ollie.
--
Bill
Q Correll
| Yeah, amount was so small that the hassle of cancelling meant it was
| always put off until tomorrow :)
Yep. I let it go on for over a year without a visit. <g>
| Credit card expiring saved me the trouble in the end.
<chuckle> My CC still had three years to go.
--
Q
05/09/2008 14:39:11
Q Correll
| | Yes, Stanley,... I certainly do.
|
| OK, Ollie.
Good show! I thought you might be old enough to catch the reference.
;-)
--
Q
05/09/2008 14:38:00
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> William,
>
> > | Yes, Stanley,... I certainly do.
> >
> > OK, Ollie.
>
> Good show! I thought you might be old enough to catch the reference.
> ;-)
Pah! I'm only 47 and I am apparently old enough too.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"The artist is nothing without the gift, but the gift is nothing
without work." -- Emile Zola (1840-1902)
Q Correll
| Pah! I'm only 47 and I am apparently old enough too.
You've watched too many late night movies I guess. ;-)
But I saw them in theaters! <g>
--
Q
05/09/2008 20:18:40
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> Rudy,
>
> > Pah! I'm only 47 and I am apparently old enough too.
>
> You've watched too many late night movies I guess. ;-)
Not late night. These films were usually shown around 7pm, i.e. before
prime time.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"I begin by taking. I shall find scholars later to demonstrate
my perfect right."
-- Frederick (II) the Great
Keith Latham
> Keith,
>
> | One day my CIS access just stopped but by that time I didn't care too
> | much because I was already using the 'open' internet. But it did take
> | two years to get them to stop billing me, and boy was that a
> | hassle-and-a-half.
>
> I still had the phone number for the "Classic" users. I was only
> paying $2.95 per month by that time but it stopped the very month I
> called to cancel the works.
>
taxes at the time so I wasn't blowing up or anything. I forget what the
exact reason it took so long was. I think they wanted a snail mail
statutory declaration or something, I dunno. Maybe it was just the
Aussie office needing to keep a revenue stream.
William Meyer
> Good show! I thought you might be old enough to catch the reference.
> ;-)
More than old enough... ;)
--
Bill
William Meyer
> Pah! I'm only 47 and I am apparently old enough too.
And with the use of expressions like "pah" you're sounding more like an
old codger, too. ;)
--
Bill
William Meyer
> You've watched too many late night movies I guess. ;-)
>
> But I saw them in theaters! <g>
I saw them on the television. My dad had the first one in town -- a 7"
screen.
--
Bill
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
Really? Hmmm...
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"Happiness is good health and a bad memory."
-- Ingrid Bergman (1917-1982)
Q Correll
| I saw them on the television. My dad had the first one in town -- a 7"
| screen.
Probably a Motorola.
--
Q
05/10/2008 08:50:47
Q Correll
| Not late night. These films were usually shown around 7pm, i.e. before
| prime time.
Interesting. In English or Deutsch?
--
Q
05/10/2008 08:50:04
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
> Rudy,
>
> > Not late night. These films were usually shown around 7pm, i.e.
> > before prime time.
>
> Interesting. In English or Deutsch?
In English with subtitles in the Netherlands, and, later, in German in
Germany.
Hmmm... this is slowly getting off-topic. I'll set followup there.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"Computer dating is fine, if you're a computer."
-- Rita May Brown.
Q Correll
| More than old enough... ;)
Then I guess you qualify for the unofficial "Oldest Programmers Guild"
here.
--
Q
05/10/2008 09:03:31
William Meyer
> Probably a Motorola.
No idea. I was only about 3 then....
--
Bill
William Meyer
> Then I guess you qualify for the unofficial "Oldest Programmers Guild"
> here.
Well, given I can date my earliest memory to summer 1951, that's
probably true. I was not yet three.
--
Bill
Q Correll
| Well, given I can date my earliest memory to summer 1951, that's
| probably true. I was not yet three.
Oh,... you're a veritable youngster! I was sixteen in 1951.
--
Q
05/10/2008 11:43:32
Q Correll
| No idea. I was only about 3 then....
<chuckle> Then I must have about ten years on you. When the Motorola
was introduced I was old enough to be the only person in the
neighborhood who understood how to adjust the horizontal and vertical
sync on our next door neighbor's Motorola 7" TV. <g>
--
Q
05/10/2008 11:40:14
Dave Keighan
> I was sixteen in 1951
I was declared in the first quarter and initialized in the third of '54
Brightened my day a bit, thanks :)
--
Dave
Jon Springs
--
-----Jon-----
"William Meyer" <meye...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4825c131$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
Farshad
the future! :)
"Cody Skidmore" <co...@NOSPAMskidmore.us> wrote in message
news:4821ef6e$3...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> It looks like we need a Renaming refactoring for the community at large.
> :-)
Q Correll
| I was declared in the first quarter and initialized in the third of
| '54 Brightened my day a bit, thanks :)
<chuckle>
--
Q
05/10/2008 16:09:31
Pieter Zijlstra
> We got our 1st TV in 1952, I was in 1st grade.
Which makes the average age of non-tech posters 60+
;-)
--
Pieter
Jon Springs
--
-----Jon-----
"Pieter Zijlstra" <p.zylstr...@hccnet.nl> wrote in message
news:xn0fq1k01...@newsgroups.codegear.com...
Wayne Niddery (TeamB)
news:4825c47a$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>
> Probably a Motorola.
The earliest TV I remember was an RCA, I'm guessing mid to late '50s model.
It even had a remote control - 1 button apparently using some radio
frequency. I stumbled on the latter fact by accident when I was 5 or 6
because I happened to walk in front of the TV while playing with my Slinky
and the tuner started flipping as if the button was being pushed!
--
Wayne Niddery - TeamB (www.teamb.com)
Winwright, Inc. (www.winwright.ca)
Q Correll
| The earliest TV I remember was an RCA, I'm guessing mid to late '50s
| model. It even had a remote control - 1 button apparently using some
| radio frequency. I stumbled on the latter fact by accident when I was
| 5 or 6 because I happened to walk in front of the TV while playing
| with my Slinky and the tuner started flipping as if the button was
| being pushed!
No, it was ultra high frequency audio sound waves. Different length
aluminum rods, tapped on the end by a spring-loaded "hammer" to excite
the resonance frequency. A microphone in the TV picked up the sound,
it was amplified and filtered. Specific frequencies caused specific
actions. Your slinky obviously produced some high frequency audio in
the range of the control.
--
Q
05/10/2008 23:30:55
Wayne Niddery (TeamB)
>
> No, it was ultra high frequency audio sound waves.
Right, UHF radio frequencies. :) (I don't pretend to be an expert on this
stuff though.)
> Your slinky obviously produced some high frequency audio in
> the range of the control.
And my Dad produced some as well 'cuz I interrupted The Rifleman... or was
it Perry Mason. <g>
William Meyer
> The earliest TV I remember was an RCA, I'm guessing mid to late '50s
> model. It even had a remote control - 1 button apparently using some
> radio frequency. I stumbled on the latter fact by accident when I was
> 5 or 6 because I happened to walk in front of the TV while playing
> with my Slinky and the tuner started flipping as if the button was
> being pushed!
Oh, these kids! I remember one of those old remotes. My dad did TV and
radio service for folks in the area, and had one of those to work on
one time. Rube Goldberg would have liked the design <g>.
--
Bill
William Meyer
> <chuckle> Then I must have about ten years on you.
Could be.
> When the Motorola
> was introduced I was old enough to be the only person in the
> neighborhood who understood how to adjust the horizontal and vertical
> sync on our next door neighbor's Motorola 7" TV. <g>
Dad got his electronics training from the Army Air Corps. As soon as he
could, which was not long after I was born (1948), I think, he bought a
set.
--
Bill
William Meyer
> Which makes the average age of non-tech posters 60+
>
> ;-)
Maybe. I'm not there yet, and Wayne Niddery is just a kid ;)
--
Bill
William Meyer
> Oh,... you're a veritable youngster! I was sixteen in 1951.
Then I guess I am. I was born in late 1948.
--
Bill
Q Correll
| ... I was born (1948), ...
I have 13 years on you. <g>
--
Q
05/11/2008 10:24:39
Mike Orriss
> Maybe. I'm not there yet, and Wayne Niddery is just a kid ;)
I'm about to reach 40 and 40th wedding anniversary :)
--
Mike
Q Correll
| Right, UHF radio frequencies. :)
No, not "radio," audio. <g>
--
Q
05/11/2008 10:25:32
William Meyer
> I'm about to reach 40 and 40th wedding anniversary :)
Dang! So many kids here ;)
--
Bill
William Meyer
> I have 13 years on you. <g>
LOL! Congatulations? <g>
--
Bill
Jon Springs
--
-----Jon-----
"Mike Orriss" <m...@3kcc.co.uk> wrote in message
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Wayne Niddery (TeamB)
>
> Maybe. I'm not there yet, and Wayne Niddery is just a kid ;)
Yeah, yeah, I know, I've only just got past the 1/2 century mark.
Pieter Zijlstra
> "William Meyer" <meye...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:48271603$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> >
> > Maybe. I'm not there yet, and Wayne Niddery is just a kid ;)
>
> Yeah, yeah, I know, I've only just got past the 1/2 century mark.
I still have more than 8 years, 3 months, 25 days and 5 hours to go, to
reach that "milestone" ;-)
--
Pieter
Mike Orriss
> Dang! So many kids here ;)
I'm older than you :)
--
Mike
William Meyer
> I'm older than you :)
Well, I appreciate the presence of older and wiser folk here ;)
--
Bill
William Meyer
> Yeah, yeah, I know, I've only just got past the 1/2 century mark.
Yeah, just a punk <g>.
--
Bill
Marco van de Voort
> No, because they haven't renamed to TeamCG in the past...
Or TeamDevco/TeamInprise.