What the heck is going on, ComponentAce/Aidaim ???
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Hannes Danzl[NDD]
posted a message here.
NO ANSWER!
We do not like what we see, so can you PLEASE look into this and comment on it?
Maybe someone is misusing your name and probably server but no one reacts?
We've come across these links:
http://tinyurl.com/3a9v3
http://tinyurl.com/2sngj
http://tinyurl.com/26rba
http://tinyurl.com/2wn4r
Generally doing a search on google for e.g. "nexusdb delphi", "dbisam delphi",
"xceed delphi" and so on returns very interesting search results.
We think someone is using your name to create some very misleading web pages
that e.g. link "nexusdb" to you homepage. We've done a whois and it comes back
with "GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC"(http://www.godaddy.com) and from there it is
linked to a (http://tinyurl.com/39l8f (you need to enter the password for flood
protection))
Zalcburg, Chris zalc...@softhome.net
Chris
Poland
Zalcburg, 11352
Poland
(602) 135-8856
Well, Zalcburg is the polish name for Salzburg, Austria and not for a Polish
city and 11352 is as far as we could find out not a polish zip code ...
So we checked the IP addresses of the domains:
http://www.crosslink.net/cgi-bin/nph-nslookup?aidaim.com
http://www.crosslink.net/cgi-bin/nph-nslookup?componentace.com
http://www.crosslink.net/cgi-bin/nph-nslookup?zip-component.net
http://www.crosslink.net/cgi-bin/nph-nslookup?comp2004.com
http://www.crosslink.net/cgi-bin/nph-nslookup?zip-delphi.com
Looks like the IP's for all these is the same and thus it seems that these
spoof pages are hosted on the same server as the componentace and aidaim
webpages.
Can you please contact "GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC" directly, just as we did to
make sure that these domains are removed, even though the server(s) seems to be
not reachable at the moment.
THANK YOU!
We've also posted a copy of this to respective owners' email addresses of some
of the "involved" companies (DBIsam, Advantage, Xceed, ComponentAce).
--
Hannes Danzl [NexusDB Developer]
Newsgroup archive at http://www.tamaracka.com/search.htm
cc'd to in...@ComponentAce.com again!
Ray Andrews
news:400ec6be$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
Wouldn't it make sense that his email server has been hijacked as
well ???
Hannes Danzl[NDD]
> well ???
well, their webpage is still working correctly.
but yes, this possibility and the fact that there's no tel number on their
webpage is the reason for posting here as well...
Tim Young
<< Wouldn't it make sense that his email server has been hijacked as well
??? >>
Why would his email server be hijacked ? It is *our* (NexusDB, DBISAM,
Advantage, XceedZip) product names that are being hijacked via these web
pages, not theirs. Granted, most of them are dead-ends, but I'm not sure
what is worse, dead-ends or redirecting directly to their site. I guess
they figured that they should be slimey, but not *that* slimey.
--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com
Eugene Mayevski [SecureBlackbox]
> We've sent you an email to you info address more than 30 hours ago. We've
> posted a message here.
> NO ANSWER!
Try contacting Ella Perelman <sa...@aidaim.com>. This person sent me a
couple of letters on weekends in which she in quite a harsh form tried
to force us to disable some AdWords adwertising, accusing us of misusing
their trademark. Her e-mail seemed quite alive then.
And now I see they are much seriously misusing other company and product
names. Was it a coincidence?..
--
Eugene Mayevski
EldoS Corp., CTO
Security and networking solutions
http://www.eldos.com
Dennis Landi
news:400ed7a4$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Hannes Danzl[NDD] wrote:
>
> > We've sent you an email to you info address more than 30 hours ago.
We've
> > posted a message here.
> > NO ANSWER!
>
> Try contacting Ella Perelman <sa...@aidaim.com>. This person sent me a
> couple of letters on weekends in which she in quite a harsh form tried
> to force us to disable some AdWords adwertising, accusing us of misusing
> their trademark. Her e-mail seemed quite alive then.
>
> And now I see they are much seriously misusing other company and product
> names. Was it a coincidence?..
>
By sheer coincidence I got a marketing email from Ella just this morning.
That was her email address above....
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Hannes Danzl[NDD]
--
Hannes Danzl [NexusDB Developer]
Newsgroup archive at http://www.tamaracka.com/search.htm
"Eugene Mayevski [SecureBlackbox]" <maye...@eldos.org> wrote in message
news:400ed7a4$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
Hannes Danzl[NDD]
> Yeah, it is really unpleasant thing.
> It looks like somebody wants to hurt us.
> We had already seen these spoofing pages and had contacted godaddy
> about the domains: zip-component.net, comp2004.com, zip-delphi.com.
> We had also contacted the hoster of these sites on January 17th and it
> looks like they removed the pages as the spoofing sites are
> unavailable now.
That's enough for us to put our mind to ease. Thanks to componentace.
Tim Young
<< Ok. We got a message from Otto Bernard stating this: >>
I'm sorry, but this doesn't compute. Why would an unknown third party go to
the trouble of directing a specific set of competitors (database and zip
components) of AidAim to pages that are served using the same nameserver as
their own web sites ? I mean, we're talking a boatload of DNS entries here
and a concerted effort. Just because Otto doesn't know about it doesn't
mean that it wasn't someone from their organization, whatever it may be (I
can't tell if ComponentAce is owned by AidAim or just licensing their
products for sale under a different name).
The web pages themselves have this at the top (cached Google version):
dbisam easytable replacement database application development delphi
compression single file database
And Accuracer and EasyTable are all over the place on the actual web pages.
Sorry, but this looks like an intentional thing by AidAim to me until
someone proves otherwise. It may be that ComponentAce is getting pulled
into it mistakenly, but they're associated with AidAim in some fashion and
frankly, I just want someone to admit to what was going on.
Eugene Mayevski [SecureBlackbox]
> mean that it wasn't someone from their organization, whatever it may be (I
> can't tell if ComponentAce is owned by AidAim or just licensing their
> products for sale under a different name).
The "About us" web page says that ComponentAce is founded by AidAim.
This is the same company, I believe.
Tim Young
<< The "About us" web page says that ComponentAce is founded by AidAim.
This is the same company, I believe. >>
Yes, however AidAim claims that they are separate companies, as does
ComponentAce (at least I think that is what Otto was saying). It's pretty
weird that two separate companies are selling the same (or pretty similar)
products under different names, but that's besides the point. Someone from
AidAim needs to comment publicly on this, since the response from Otto
wasn't particularly satisfactory and it is AidAim's product names that are
on these web pages.
Eugene Mayevski [SecureBlackbox]
> products under different names, but that's besides the point. Someone from
> AidAim needs to comment publicly on this, since the response from Otto
> wasn't particularly satisfactory and it is AidAim's product names that are
> on these web pages.
Then I think it's a wrong newsgroup. Somebody of directly involved
people (either you, Tim, or somebody from NexusDB) should post a request
to thirdpartytools.general so that AidAim can't simply ignore it.
My interest is to hear their comments cause as I mentioned they
groundlessly accused us of doing the same thing just on weekends.
Geoff
> Then I think it's a wrong newsgroup. Somebody of directly involved
> people (either you, Tim, or somebody from NexusDB) should post a request
> to thirdpartytools.general so that AidAim can't simply ignore it.
Actually, Hannes originally posted to the 3rd party NG without success, and
hence his posts here. (Ideally this should have been dealt with over
there.)
> My interest is to hear their comments cause as I mentioned they
> groundlessly accused us of doing the same thing just on weekends.
Well, there's a lot of us waiting to hear their full and complete response!
<g> - but I'm sure interest will wane fast and it'll all be over (at least
in this forum) very, very soon!
Regards,
Geoff
(Nexus Database Systems)
Developer Express - ram
> It is *our* (NexusDB, DBISAM,
> Advantage, XceedZip) product names that are being hijacked via these web
> pages, not theirs. Granted, most of them are dead-ends, but I'm not sure
> what is worse, dead-ends or redirecting directly to their site. I guess
> they figured that they should be slimey, but not *that* slimey.
There's not much you can do about it. Unfortunately it's a fairly common
practice for small companies to try to associate themselves with searches
of larger competitors.
I'll give you an example, do a google on "ExpressWeb Framework"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
&safe=off&q=ExpressWeb+Framework
Unless the sponsorship has been cancelled or reached it's daily limit of
impressions, 75% of the time you will see that the results page is
sponsored by someone advertising "True RAD Web development", but it's not
us.
rgds,
Richard Morris
Developer Express
Developer Express - ram
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
> &safe=off&q=ExpressWeb+Framework
Whups Wrapped.
rgds,
RAM
Hannes Danzl[NDD]
the cached ones) look at the pages that there's e.g a link called NexusDB which
is actually pointing to componentace.com. Same for advantage, dbisam, ...
richard morris
use
> the cached ones) look at the pages that there's e.g a link called NexusDB
which
> is actually pointing to componentace.com. Same for advantage, dbisam, ...
A search on a product name returns it's competitor in the result. They are
pretty much the same thing, Google who gets paid for only one kind naturally
doesn't agree.
What ComponentAce (or their agents) are doing is simply using the mechanics
of google to get for free what the sponsor of "ExpressWeb Frameworks" is
paying Google cash for, no wonder Google take THAT so seriously. What
ComponentAce are trying to do is arrange for Google to consider returning
the ComponentAce page in the result of a search for the term "NexusDB".
BTW: This is how albino black sheep and others can play Google games like
doing a search on "french military victories" and hitting "I feel lucky"
(take me to the first result). That is done by having more definitive
references like this http://urljr.com/x01 than anyone else. The same with a
search for "Weapons of Mass Destruction" :)
rgds,
RAM
"Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]"
> My interest is to hear their comments cause as I mentioned they
> groundlessly accused us of doing the same thing just on weekends.
Earlier in this thread you wrote that they accused you of misusing their
trademark by some of your Google adwords advertising. By "groundlessly"
I concur that you are saying that you wouldn't put Google adwords on the
trademark of your competitors? Just trying to get the whole picture.
Ed Larsen
I have just seen this thread and I want to forward our reply to Hannes Danzl which
we wrote on January 21st, see it below. Hannes told us that he will forward our
reply "Thanks for clarification. I'll forward it!".
But I don't see it here. Why, Hannes?
Ed Larsen,
ComponentAce
Hello Hannes,
First let me thank you for contacting us.
HD> We've sent you an email to you info address more than 30 hours ago.
I have checked our mail boxes.
This is the first mail we received from you.
HD> We do not like what we see, so can you PLEASE look into this and comment
HD> on it?
HD> Maybe someone is misusing your name and probably server but no one
HD> reacts?
Yeah, it is really unpleasant thing.
It looks like somebody wants to hurt us.
We had already seen these spoofing pages and had contacted godaddy
about the domains: zip-component.net, comp2004.com, zip-delphi.com.
We had also contacted the hoster of these sites on January 17th and it looks like
they removed the pages as the spoofing sites are unavailable now.
HD> So we checked the IP addresses of the domains:
HD> http://www.crosslink.net/cgi-bin/nph-nslookup?aidaim.com
HD> http://www.crosslink.net/cgi-bin/nph-nslookup?componentace.com
HD> http://www.crosslink.net/cgi-bin/nph-nslookup?zip-component.net
HD> http://www.crosslink.net/cgi-bin/nph-nslookup?comp2004.com
HD> http://www.crosslink.net/cgi-bin/nph-nslookup?zip-delphi.com
HD> Looks like the IP's for all these is the same and thus it seems that
HD> these
HD> spoof pages are hosted on the same server as the componentace and aidaim
HD> webpages.
Why did you decide that IP addresses are the same?
The IP address on the top of these pages is the IP address of
resolver-server.
>nslookup componentace.com
Name: componentace.com
Address: 209.61.202.76
>nslookup aidaim.com
Name: aidaim.com
Address: 207.228.230.187
>nslookup zip-component.net
*** UnKnown can't find zip-component.net: Server failed
It looks like these sites became unavailable, however please let us know
if you will find something similar.
As you have sent this mail to all involved companies,
please forward my e-mail to all these addresses to clear up
the situation.
--
Best regards,
Otto Bernard mailto:in...@componentace.com
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
> I have just seen this thread and I want to forward our reply to
> Hannes Danzl which we wrote on January 21st, see it below. Hannes
> told us that he will forward our reply "Thanks for clarification.
> I'll forward it!". But I don't see it here. Why, Hannes?
I see it:
<400e...@newsgroups.borland.com>
-Craig
--
Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . Columbus, OH
Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://delphi.weblogs.com
Everything You Need to Know About InterBase Character Sets:
http://delphi.weblogs.com/stories/storyReader$306
Eugene Mayevski [SecureBlackbox]
> Earlier in this thread you wrote that they accused you of misusing their
> trademark by some of your Google adwords advertising. By "groundlessly"
> I concur that you are saying that you wouldn't put Google adwords on the
> trademark of your competitors? Just trying to get the whole picture.
This was an internal issue that has been resolved. It was related to
what can be treated as a trademark and what policy google has regarding
the trademarks.
As most developers are not lawyers, they misunderstand what trademark is
and how it can be used or misused.
1. Not all words can be used as trademarks. If the words or word
combinations are descriptive for some side of human activity, they can
hardly be used as a trademark in this side of activity.
Example: the word "Sniffer" has been registered as a trademark for
software. However it describes the class of software products that
intercept network packets and let you look inside of these packets.
There were some actions planned to appeal the fact of registration of
such a trademark.
Example: the words "virtual file system" can not be used as a trademark
because they define the class of software. They are descriptive.
2. Trademark is a kind of thing that requires registration. Registration
confirms (well, to some extent as we see with "Sniffer" case) that the
trademark is valid. It is non-sense to claim that "virtual file system"
is a trademark if you don't have registration for this trademark,
because everybody understands that such words can't be a trademark (this
is just a common sense).
Registration of trademark in one of the countries that participate in
international treaties regarding the trademarks (I don't remember the
english name of that treaty right now, unfortunately) gives a solid
background to protection of the trademark in other countries.
3. Trademark requires constant defence. Defense means that the company
that owns a trademark should act properly to defend this trademark.
Example: well-known example with Xerox trademark. The word "xerocopy"
was used widely to name an operation of copying a paper image. The word
"Xerox" word was used to name any device that works using the same
principles that Xerox copiers. This has lead to the fact that the word
"xerox" is used in many countries like a regular verb or noun and not a
trademark. Xerox takes serious actions now to protect the trademark (it
pursued the companies that use the word Xerox in advertisement of copier
devices), unfortunately it's too late. As far as I know the word
xerocopy is used even in legal documents in certain countries.
The word "riso" (devices similar to Xerox copiers but working on sligtly
different principles) has the same problem, but afaik Riso has patents
on it's technology so "risographs" are only Riso's devices.
I like Google's policy regarding trademarks. Google doesn't want to be
involved in the dispute so they state that if you complain about
somebody misusing your trademark in the adwords campain AND you prove
that the trademark IS registered in right countries, they just disable
these adwords. However it's your duty to properly defend the trademark.
Disclaimer: I am a lawyer, however everything stated above is NOT a
legal advice.
Ed Larsen
I didn't find Hannes's forward in other threads, but in this thread he
did it.
My apologizes, Hannes.
Ed Larse,
ComponentAce
Eugene Mayevski [SecureBlackbox]
> Thank you for the information Eugene. I have reported misuse of the
> keyword "StreamSec" to Google, since it is a registered company name and
> registered trademark in Sweden. I expect Google to remove the keyword
> "StreamSec" from the ad that has been popping up when searching for our
> company for more than a year.
Wow, you really need a good lawyer, if you don't think about legal side
of your business. Maybe I can assist you?
"Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]"
> I like Google's policy regarding trademarks. Google doesn't want to be
> involved in the dispute so they state that if you complain about
> somebody misusing your trademark in the adwords campain AND you prove
> that the trademark IS registered in right countries, they just disable
> these adwords. However it's your duty to properly defend the trademark.
Thank you for the information Eugene. I have reported misuse of the
"Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]"
> Wow, you really need a good lawyer, if you don't think about legal side
> of your business. Maybe I can assist you?
Let me think about it. We are quite satisfied with the lawyer we are
consulting at the moment. In particular, we don't think anything goes
until it has been settled in court, and neither does he. What is your
position on that matter Eugene?
Eugene Mayevski [SecureBlackbox]
> Let me think about it. We are quite satisfied with the lawyer we are
> consulting at the moment. In particular, we don't think anything goes
> until it has been settled in court, and neither does he.
I don't understand this phrase unfortunately. Can you please explain?
Ella Perelman
newsgroup.
Firstly about AidAim Software LLC and ComponentAce LLC.
ComponentAce was founded by the members of AidAim Software developers
team. Now it is fully independent company and we have no ideas why
they did not answer to newsgroups.
They are just the guys worked at AidAim Software before they founded
ComponentAce and we cannot be charged with what they do. May be they
use the same hosting service as we have.
As for the zip-delphi.com site, our products, EasyTable and Accuracer
are presented there, too, like DBISAM, NexusDB, Advantage and others.
Just look at one of the link which was published by Hannes Danzl
(NexusDB):
http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cache:zSY3FK-l9_cJ:nexusdb.ca.zip-delphi.com/+easytable+accuracer+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Moreover there are many pages on this site which have our database
products, EasyTable and Accuracer Database System, as targets.
For example:
http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cache:accuracer.ca.zip-delphi.com/+easytable+accuracer+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Our products pages on zip-delphi.com site (and some others which are
very similar to it) are present in google search results, too. Just
search for 'accuracer' to be sure.
There are no links on ca.zip-delphi.com which point to aidaim.com.
In this matter Aidaim is a swindled party together with DBISAM, Nexus,
Advantage
and others.
We are interested in removing these sites, first of all zip-delphi.com
and zip-component.net, from the google database first of all and from
the internet if it is possible.
Best regards,
Ella Perelman
AidAim Software LLC
http://www.aidaim.com
Compression, encryption and database components
Ella Perelman
To get the whole picture just search for 'single file system' using Google.
You can see what AidAim Software sell the product Single File System since
March, 2002. Last summer, more than a year later, Eldos released a new product
for the same purpose named SolidFS. Guys set the following Google Adwords:
Single File System
------------------
Get a file system in a single file
with transactions and encryption
www.eldos.org/solfs
You can see the name of our product in the title and keywords of Eldos'
adwords like we write it EXACTLY. This dirty trick is meant for the people
who knows about our product.
Eugene Mayevski declined our request to remove the name of our product from
the keywords or even change the TITLE. He is not a good lawyer or may be
this is not his speciality. Not all his statements is a true. The all his
messages I read here are the retelling of one book I read about five years ago
(I can recollect the title if you are interested in). Adduced examples
are not quite fit to this matter. And some definitions and statements are
fallacious so I cannot recommend anybody to respect his recommendations.
The only thing I want to call your attention to is that now Eldos produced
the double of our product and they use the name of our product to promote
its own twin. They believe that it is the normal, legal practies.
Tomorrow they will do it with yours.
Ella Perelman
>
> Sorry, but this looks like an intentional thing by AidAim to me until
> someone proves otherwise. It may be that ComponentAce is getting pulled
> into it mistakenly, but they're associated with AidAim in some fashion and
> frankly, I just want someone to admit to what was going on.
Hello Tim,
No, it looks like somebody try to catch the people who search
for database components for Delphi as well as for compression components
to drive them to ComponentAce.com.
You can see the full answer above as an evidence of our point of view.
Incidentally, we do not sell the compression components (excluding
Single File System which is more similar to database) so we have no
reason to hunt for the people who need compression.
As for the database products we have no needs to make special pages
with names of our products - pages of our site are in the first places
in Google ranks for search with the names of our products.
Even more so we have no reason to redirect our customers to ComponentAce
(AbsoluteDB) who is our (EasyTable and Accuracer) and your (DBISAM)
competitor.
Aidaim Software is a swindled party like you (DBISAM) and others
(Nexus, Advantage, etc.).
Ella Perelman
Hi Tim,
With the greatest pleasure.
AidAim Software and ComponentAce are two INDEPENDENT companies.
We sell our products, they sell theirs;
we have our customers, they have theirs;
we get our money, they get theirs;
we even do not know how are they and is their business successful or not.
They never sold our products and we will not resell theirs.
All the rights to some AidAim's products and these products themselves
were transfered to ComponentAce, so these two companies have the following products:
AidAim Software:
- EasyTable (with ODBC Driver)
- SQLMemTable
- Single File System
- Accuracer Database System
ComponentAce:
- Easy Compression Library (all the versions)
- FlexCompress
- ZipForge
- CompressionMaster Suite
They even excluded Single File System from CompressionMaster Suite.
As for zip-delphi.com, zip-component.net and other sites,
see my answers above, we suffer from this incident not less
than you or any others (for example, I have to write all these messages
instead of to work coolly:)))
Colonel Tony
Words Instant and Messenger in the title, and they had only applied for
trademark status, but I had no choice but to change the name because how
could I ever fight them legally?
Basicly what the AOL bloodsuckers told me is you can't use either the words
Instant or Messenger in your name, so a product name like Net Messenger is
off limits as well. I had even used the name Net Messenger back in 97,
which predated there crappy stuff.
But they said you can use Instant Messaging in your product name.
They are all just a bunch of blood suckers who want to kill any and all
competition whether it is a threat or not.
Just look at www.mikerowesoft.com. M$ was going to sue the pants of a 12
year old kid because they felt that the name and his website would confuse
people.
Eugene Mayevski [SecureBlackbox]
> I was threatend by AOL to change the name of my IM server because it had the
> Words Instant and Messenger in the title, and they had only applied for
> trademark status, but I had no choice but to change the name because how
> could I ever fight them legally?
It is possible (but requires verification) that the word "Messenger" is
a registered trademark of AOL. And this is very likely because they own
significant market share on Messengers market.
> Basicly what the AOL bloodsuckers told me is you can't use either the words
> Instant or Messenger in your name, so a product name like Net Messenger is
> off limits as well.
Unless they have a registered trademark for Messenger word how does
Microsoft use "MSN Messenger" name? So I think that if you requested
some more information about their trademarks, they would retreat.
> Just look at www.mikerowesoft.com. M$ was going to sue the pants of a 12
> year old kid because they felt that the name and his website would confuse
> people.
a) 17-year-old
b) They settled the dispute. I just wonder what MS could write on 25 (!)
pages of it's infringement letter. Everything looks like MS hired
several young lawyers that needed practice and this was their first case.
Hannes Danzl[NDD]
And mine to you, i simply didn't think of posting it to the other threads.
Sorry