Borland Turbo Tools brought back

[John E. Wilfong]

This topic has been brought up briefly before in a few threads. Here's an
article dealing with an impending announcement.

See article:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000205,00.asp

also,

http://www.turboexplorer.com (This one currently only states to stay tuned
for fun)

--
John

[John Herbster]

"John E. Wilfong" <j[nospam]wilfong@[reversethis]moc.loa> wrote

> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000205,00.asp

Even "Turbo Delphi for Win32". I am impressed! --JohnH

[Ray Porter]

This is exciting! If things really pan out as outlined in the eweek
article, I think DevCo will be a big success.

Ray Porter

"John E. Wilfong" <j[nospam]wilfong@[reversethis]moc.loa> wrote in message
news:xn0epovi...@newsgroups.borland.com...

[Serge Dosyukov (Dragon Soft)]

it is scheduled for tomorrow - "On Aug. 8, the company's Developer Tools
Group is scheduled to announce single-language versions of the components of
Borland Developer Studio, the company's IDE (integrated development
environment) for Microsoft Windows and .Net applications"

> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000205,00.asp

[GrandmasterB]

"John E. Wilfong" <j[nospam]wilfong@[reversethis]moc.loa> wrote in message
news:xn0epovi...@newsgroups.borland.com...

> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000205,00.asp

Awesome guys! <applause!>

[Rick Carter]

>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000205,00.asp

Awesome! Great news!

Rick Carter
cart...@despammed.com
Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group

--- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com

[Phillip Woon]

Great Idea!!!.

TurboSoft.. It has a ring to it... :)

[Brandon Staggs]

"Phillip Woon" wrote on Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:08:54 -0400:

> Great Idea!!!.
>
> TurboSoft.. It has a ring to it... :)

I like TurboTools...

Good news indeed. Go DevCo.

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[q]

I wonder if Turbo Delphi for Win32 will still require the .NET
Framework. I wouldn't be surprised at all :)

[John O'Harrow]

Fantastic news. Certainly a step in the right direction.

--
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"John E. Wilfong" <j[nospam]wilfong@[reversethis]moc.loa> wrote in message
news:xn0epovi...@newsgroups.borland.com...

[Alexander Tereshchenko]

Great news!
I wonder if this will be customized Delphi 10 or something newer?
And how much free version will be crippled?

And... will Turbo Delphi/Win32 require .NET 1.1 to be installed? (cause no
way I'm trying it if I have to install that old beast of framework on my
machine ;-) )

> This topic has been brought up briefly before in a few threads. Here's
> an article dealing with an impending announcement.

--
Alex Tereshchenko
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http://www.fxfp.com/

[Alexander Tereshchenko]

"However, the Explorer edition differs from the Professional edition in
that, although it includes all the same features, users cannot integrate in
third-party components or tools, he said. Yet, Explorer edition users can
use third-party components externally, Intersimone said."

I wonder what exactly stated here...

1. No possibility to install IDE wizards/experts/extensions, but still
possibility to install VCL components in design-time packages.

OR

2. No possibility to install IDE wizards/experts/extensions, and no
possibility to install VCL components in design-time packages (but of
course still possible to instantiate them in code).

If [1], I guess it is O.K. (though it raises question of how components
with custom designers will work - or NOT work).

If [2], then this is madness.

[Rick Carter]

>I wonder if Turbo Delphi for Win32 will still require the .NET
>Framework. I wouldn't be surprised at all :)

Sooner or later, some application you install will install the .NET
framework, perhaps silently without waiting for your permission.
Before I ever had Delphi for .NET installed, either Partition Magic or
DriveImage (I forget which) installed it silently.

So, why are you so afraid of having the .NET framework on your computer?
Cooties? That's about as silly as refusing to install any program that
installs a DLL that starts with the letter "P."

I doubt very much that DevCo will rewrite the Refactoring tools from
scratch in Win32, and I'm hoping at least some of them will be included
in Delphi for Win32.

[q]

Rick Carter wrote:

> Sooner or later, some application you install will install the .NET
> framework, perhaps silently without waiting for your permission.

That would be extremely stupid.

> Before I ever had Delphi for .NET installed, either Partition Magic or
> DriveImage (I forget which) installed it silently.

One of the reasons why I'm now using Acronis tools.

> So, why are you so afraid of having the .NET framework on your
> computer?

I don't want too much crap in my boot partition.

> I doubt very much that DevCo will rewrite the Refactoring tools from
> scratch in Win32

I doubt it too.

[Craig]

>
>> So, why are you so afraid of having the .NET framework on your
>> computer?
>
> I don't want too much crap in my boot partition.
>

So you plan to be stuck on Windows XP forever?

[somebody]

"John E. Wilfong" <j[nospam]wilfong@[reversethis]moc.loa> wrote

> http://www.turboexplorer.com (This one currently only states to stay tuned
> for fun)

Turbo Explorer sounds good for beginners (except, without the ability to
install third party components into the IDE, rather crippled for any real
work), but I doubt that there would be a huge market for the Pro edition at
$500 a language: Existing customers who plan on keeping with DevCo would
probably not "downgrade" to one language, even if they just use one language
("D"DS upgrade cost is under $500 for pro anyway), and the price is still
too steep to attract brand new users for just one language. Maybe a more
agressive pricing for single language versions would have been better, but
then again, I think DevCo needs to establish itself as a legitimate player
first by holding on to their existing customers, erasing the bad taste the
last 3 versions of the IDE left with customers, and *then* turn more
aggressive in pricing and marketing (or else they will end up wasting money
and effort on a lost cause). If such is the plan, introduction of the Turbo
line lays a nice foundation for future.

[Chester]

Best news in a while. GO Delphi GO!!!!!!

[Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)]

Brandon Staggs wrote:

> I like TurboTools...

http://www.turbotools.com/

--
Nick Hodges
Delphi/C# Product Manager - DevCo
http://blogs.borland.com/nickhodges

[Chester]

I think that BDS or maybe TDS(Turbo Delphi Studio) will be available with
all the feature that we know and hopefully great improvements.

[q]

Craig wrote:

> So you plan to be stuck on Windows XP forever?

No, I'm running an nlited WinServer2003.

[Rod]

Turbo Delphi
Turbo Delphi for .Net
Turbo C++
Turbo C#

Borland Delphi -> <DevCo> Delphi ???
BDS -> <DevCo-#1-Letter>DS ???

[Mark A. Andrews]

John E. Wilfong wrote:
> This topic has been brought up briefly before in a few threads. Here's an
> article dealing with an impending announcement.
>

This is exactly what I've been preaching for months now! Glad the new
Devco people are listening!.... :-)

Mark

[Bob S]

Ever have the feeling that you might be late for the party, yet still at the right place at the right time?... That's kinda how I feel as a Delphi-hobbiest, learning the ropes, right now. Through *my* X-colored glasses a couple things stood out from the article that I hope we'll see replicated with Delphi:

"And with the Explorer Edition we're going to blanket the earth for beginners, students, hobbyists, nontraditional programmers who still need to do some programming [and] people who need to learn additional languages to ramp up their skill set," Intersimone said.

and

"Along with the release of the products, we're going to be putting out a lot of *videos*, articles, challenges, contests and *tutorials* to show, especially beginners and nonprogrammers, that they can not only learn to program but that they can have fun programming as well," he said.

I love those flash-type tutes as without having the booklearning under your belt yet, seeing is understanding, or at least can be a gateway to understanding, not to mention enthusiasm as the light bulb clicks on.

Way to go DevCo! This *is* the right place to be, right now!

[Jolyon Smith]

In article <xn0epovi...@newsgroups.borland.com>, j[nospam]wilfong@
[reversethis]moc.loa says...

Believe me, I REALLY hope this is true, or at least based in truth, but
having looked at the TurboExplorer.com content I'm not 100% convinced
this is for real.

At the very least, if it is for real, the announcement would seem to
have been brought forward to soon as the TurboExplorer content and
presentation leave, erm, a little to be desired, if inspiring faith and
confidence are at all part of the aim.

Can't come up with a decent reason for eWeek to be touting fiction as
fact, but then neither can I satisfactorily explain to myself why the
relevant eWeek piece doesn't figure in the "News" section of the Borland
web site, or why the announcement has "Borland" written all over it when
the one thing we know for sure is that it won't be Borland TurboDelphi
or Borland anything.

Nick, or anyone else from DevCo, care to confirm/deny?

Please?

Pretty please.

+ Cherry

on top?

--
Jolyon Smith

[Chris Burrows]

"John E. Wilfong" <j[nospam]wilfong@[reversethis]moc.loa> wrote in message >

also,
>
> http://www.turboexplorer.com (This one currently only states to stay tuned
> for fun)
>

The site is live now - only 27 days to go until the Turbo(s) are here.

--
Chris Burrows
CFB Software
http://www.cfbsoftware.com/gpcp

[Chris Burrows]

"Jolyon Smith" <jsm...@deltics.co.newzealand> wrote in message >

> Believe me, I REALLY hope this is true, or at least based in truth, but
> having looked at the TurboExplorer.com content I'm not 100% convinced
> this is for real.
>
> At the very least, if it is for real, the announcement would seem to
> have been brought forward to soon as the TurboExplorer content and
> presentation leave, erm, a little to be desired, if inspiring faith and
> confidence are at all part of the aim.
>

It is real. Take another look now. The press release is also here:

http://www.turboexplorer.com/TurbosPressRelease.htm

[Phillip Woon]

Hey, in Firefox, it says Stay Tuned for fun, but in IE, there is a full
website. Perhaps they haven't had a chance to make it Firefox
compatible as yet.

[John E. Wilfong]

Phillip Woon wrote:

> Hey, in Firefox, it says Stay Tuned for fun, but in IE, there is a full
> website. Perhaps they haven't had a chance to make it Firefox
> compatible as yet.

Shows fine in Firefox. You need to refresh your browser. (I think it is
clicking refresh while holding either the Shift or Ctrl key down).

--
John

[Don Siders]

> It is real. Take another look now. The press release is also here:
> http://www.turboexplorer.com/TurbosPressRelease.htm

It appears that the name game is now over.

[David Clegg]

Jolyon Smith wrote:

> At the very least, if it is for real, the announcement would seem to
> have been brought forward to soon as the TurboExplorer content and
> presentation leave, erm, a little to be desired

Nah, it's just that they know the target audience is going to be
developers, and have developed the web site accordingly. We have a
tendency to want to cut through the marketing BS and get down to the
guts of the matter. Considering that, the web site does this quite
nicely. No need to hunt through masses of filler to get to the
underlying message.

OTOH, if the web site was targeted at management, then I'd concede that
you may have a point. :-)

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[Kevin B]

Excellent!

[Jolyon Smith]

In article <44d7f763$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>, dsi...@charter.net
says...

> > It is real. Take another look now. The press release is also here:
> > http://www.turboexplorer.com/TurbosPressRelease.htm
>
> It appears that the name game is now over.

How so?

(FYI: afaict "Kulesa Public Relations" is a PR _company_, not a
department within DevCo/Borland/DTG)

--
Jolyon Smith

[Erick Sasse]

John E. Wilfong wrote:

> You need to refresh your browser. (I think it is
> clicking refresh while holding either the Shift or Ctrl key down).

Ctrl+F5 works also.

--
Erick Sasse
Brazil

[Kyle A. Miller]

q wrote:
> I don't want too much crap in my boot partition.

Hard drive space is an expensive premium these days. ;-)

[Phillip Woon]

Is it me, or are the colors the same ones as when they first came out
with Turbo C++ 1.0 ?

[Phillip Woon]

Now it works...

[David Clegg]

Kyle A. Miller wrote:

> Hard drive space is an expensive premium these days. ;-)

Hard drive costs are cheap enough if you run out of space, but you
could go bankrupt with the petrol costs for the trip to your local
computer retailer. :-)

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[Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)]

Jolyon Smith wrote:

> Nick, or anyone else from DevCo, care to confirm/deny?

I can't confirm or deny anything right now.

Oh, by the way, Michael Swindell will be the guest on Wednesday's
Delphi Hour, and he'll be talking about, uhm, some new things that we
have cooking. Yeah, he'll be talking about some "new stuff". Yeah.

[Erick Sasse]

Phillip Woon wrote:

> Is it me, or are the colors the same ones as when they first came out
> with Turbo C++ 1.0 ?

Deja vu intended? :)

--
Erick Sasse
Brazil

[Jolyon Smith]

In article <44d7f10b$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>, cfbso...@hotmail.com
says...

> "Jolyon Smith" <jsm...@deltics.co.newzealand> wrote in message >
> > Believe me, I REALLY hope this is true, or at least based in truth, but
> > having looked at the TurboExplorer.com content I'm not 100% convinced
> > this is for real.
> >
> > At the very least, if it is for real, the announcement would seem to
> > have been brought forward to soon as the TurboExplorer content and
> > presentation leave, erm, a little to be desired, if inspiring faith and
> > confidence are at all part of the aim.
> >
>
> It is real. Take another look now. The press release is also here:

I've seen that - it also doesn't quite add up for me.

--
Jolyon Smith

[David Clegg]

Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo) wrote:

> Oh, by the way, Michael Swindell will be the guest on Wednesday's
> Delphi Hour, and he'll be talking about, uhm, some new things that we
> have cooking. Yeah, he'll be talking about some "new stuff". Yeah.

Heh! And you chose *last week* to consider us APACers :-)

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you?" - Homer Simpson

[Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)]

David Clegg wrote:

> Heh! And you chose *last week* to consider us APACers :-)

Luck of the draw, my man. Luck of the draw.

Of course, I'm not saying a thing about what exactly Michael will be
talking about. Not a thing. Nope, nothing at all.

[Erick Sasse]

Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo) wrote:

> > Nick, or anyone else from DevCo, care to confirm/deny?
>
> I can't confirm or deny anything right now.

Nick, why the mistery if the website is already online?

--
Erick Sasse
Brazil

[Jolyon Smith]

In article <44d8045e$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>, nickh...@gmail.com
says...

> Jolyon Smith wrote:
>
> > Nick, or anyone else from DevCo, care to confirm/deny?
>
> I can't confirm or deny anything right now.

I really hate being such an old cynic, but this isn't making sense.

The Delphi Product Manager cannot confirm/deny a Press Release relating
to the product of which he is The Manager!?!?!!

Unfortunately:

repeat
Dec(iConfidence);
DelphiCommunity.ProcessMessages;
until (bAnsweredOneWayOrOther);

;)

--
Jolyon Smith

[Brandon Staggs]

"Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)" wrote on 7 Aug 2006 16:46:54 -0700:

> Brandon Staggs wrote:
>
>> I like TurboTools...
>
> http://www.turbotools.com/

Yeah, I figured it'd be taken already. I'm sure you'll come up with
something without my help. :-)

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[Kevin B]

David Clegg wrote:
> Hard drive costs are cheap enough if you run out of space, but you
> could go bankrupt with the petrol costs for the trip to your local
> computer retailer. :-)

Don't they have something like NewEgg Down Under?! ;-)

Cheers,
Kevin.

[David Clegg]

Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo) wrote:

> Luck of the draw, my man. Luck of the draw.

Yeah I know. We still got to catch a great show live, so I shouldn't be
so ungrateful. Bloody Kiwis! Can't live with em.... pass the beer nuts.

> Of course, I'm not saying a thing about what exactly Michael will be
> talking about. Not a thing. Nope, nothing at all.

So we may all be jumping to the wrong conclusion here, and Michael may
actually be there to announce the imminent demise of the 'with'
statement once and for all. Not sure which one I'd be more excited
about ;-)

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[Kevin B]

Erick Sasse wrote:
> Nick, why the mistery if the website is already online?

Because people like to talk about mysterious subjects... the more
mysterious the more talk. Of course... this doesn't always lead to a
successful product in the market. Take Transmeta for example. There
was so much hype built up and then it didn't really amount to a whole
lot. I still liked the concept behind it though.

Let's hope DevCo milks the marketing hype "optimally." i.e. They better
also deliver good products *AND* market it right. I like hype if it is
done right...

Cheers,
Kevin.

[David Clegg]

Kevin B wrote:

> Don't they have something like NewEgg Down Under?! ;-)

Heh! I nearly made a comment saying that of course my argument was
totally discounted by the proliferation of eTailers (is that an actual
term, or should I be copyrighting it? :-)).

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[Dennis Landi]

<<David Intersimone, vice president of developer relations and chief
evangelist at Borland, said the Turbo product set includes Turbo Delphi for
Win32,>>

Awesome.

-d

[Kevin B]

David Clegg wrote:
> Heh! I nearly made a comment saying that of course my argument was
> totally discounted by the proliferation of eTailers

It's more fun if you leave that to others... :-)

> (is that an actual term, or should I be copyrighting it? :-)).

I think it is taken (Google returns over 551000 results!!)

Cheers,
Kevin.

[Chris Burrows]

"Phillip Woon" <pw...@woontech.com> wrote in message
news:44d8017c$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...

> Is it me, or are the colors the same ones as when they first came out with
> Turbo C++ 1.0 ?
>

I don't know about Turbo C++ but certainly in the style of Turbo Pascal
5.0 - same portrait as well:

http://www.emsps.com/OLDTOOLS/borpasv.htm#tp5

[Phillip Woon]

You're right, Turbo C++ had the red where the yellow is in Turbo Pascal 5.

[Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)]

David Clegg wrote:

> Not sure which one I'd be more excited
> about ;-)

That would be a tough call, I agree.

[Liz]

q wrote:

> I wonder if Turbo Delphi for Win32 will still require the .NET
> Framework. I wouldn't be surprised at all :)

Its bits of the IDE that want .net, so yes, Id be almost certain it
would.. Seeing as MS put out .net now as critical updates you'd be
lucky to get away from having it installed now

--
Liz the Brit
Delphi things I have released: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings

[Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)]

Erick Sasse wrote:

> Nick, why the mistery if the website is already online?

What mystery? ;-)

[JED]

Jolyon Smith wrote:

> In article <44d8045e$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>, nickh...@gmail.com
> says...
> > Jolyon Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Nick, or anyone else from DevCo, care to confirm/deny?
> >
> > I can't confirm or deny anything right now.
>
> I really hate being such an old cynic, but this isn't making sense.
>
> The Delphi Product Manager cannot confirm/deny a Press Release
> relating to the product of which he is The Manager!?!?!!

Perhaps it's to encourage people to listen in to the next Delphi hour.

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The best news from DevCo this past few months :)

"John E. Wilfong" <j[nospam]wilfong@[reversethis]moc.loa> wrote in message
news:xn0epovi...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> This topic has been brought up briefly before in a few threads. Here's an
> article dealing with an impending announcement.
>
> See article:
>
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2000205,00.asp
>
> also,
>
> http://www.turboexplorer.com (This one currently only states to stay tuned
> for fun)
>
>
> --
> John

[John O'Harrow]

>
> Nick, or anyone else from DevCo, care to confirm/deny?
>

Check out Allen Bauer's blog

http://blogs.borland.com/abauer/archive/2006/08/07/26488.aspx

--
regards,
John

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[Venkatesh VT]

My mouth is watering inspite of having BDS architect version
Venkatesh

[Unknown]

> I've seen that - it also doesn't quite add up for me.

Check out the whois data for turboexplorer.com. That convinced me this
wasn't a windup. (Oh, and that fact that all of Nick's posts today seem
to be wrapped in a <smug>...</smug> tag.)

Overall, I think this is brilliant news! I'm a bit concerned that the
limitations in the 'explorer' version will restrict the growth of a
grass-roots 'community' using those versions (no sharing components or
IDE plugins). However, I don't have any better idea how to handle it,
so...

- Roddy

[TDaniel]

"John E. Wilfong"
wrote:

>This topic has been brought up briefly before in a few threads. Here's an
>article dealing with an impending announcement.

Detailed feature matrix please... will you include Intraweb web app development?

What do you mean with: Included databases – Borland® InterBase®, MSDE (I think I might be more excited by this)

thx

TDaniel

[dk_sz]

> article, I think DevCo will be a big success.

Perhaps even named something like Turbo...
Power...? No...? What about TurboDevCo ? :-)

I still think DevCo = Borland
and
Borland = Inprise
:-)

best regards
Thomas

[Tony]

Great!

And now we have to support DevCo
and buy the Turbo products!

I'm ready (when available) to buy Turbo Delphi Win32 and .NET!
;-)

[Unknown]

Tony wrote:
>
> I'm ready (when available) to buy Turbo Delphi Win32 and .NET!
> ;-)

I'm guessing here, but I expect that buying BOTH Win32 and .NET Turbo
delphi will be no cheaper as BDS... and, AFAIK you can only install one
of the Turbo products on any one machine.

- Roddy

[Andy Syms]

SupportX wrote:

> I suggest starting with good documentation...

Like a VCL reference manual that I can read in the bath with risk of
electrocution. (pdf would be fine)

--
Andy Syms
Technosoft Systems Ltd
www.technosoft.co.uk

[Yannis]

"Roddy Pratt" <> wrote in news:44d86d44$1...@newsgroups.borland.com:
[snip]

> and, AFAIK you can only install one
> of the Turbo products on any one machine.

Know!! How do you know this. I can't see anything stating something
like this any where in the mentioned sites.

If this is true it doesn't make much bussiness sense to me.

Regards
Yannis.

PS.
I really love this move. I am in love with the turbo line and this
move makes me to want to buy a turbo product in parallel with my
current BDS version (upgrades etc). It makes feel that I will
simplefy my life a lot with one of this products (although not
true probably).

Thank you DevCo / Borland or what ever and Welcome back.
I missed you.

[Bob Swart]

Hi Yannis,

>> and, AFAIK you can only install one
>> of the Turbo products on any one machine.
>
> Know!! How do you know this. I can't see anything stating something
> like this any where in the mentioned sites.

Neil Rubenking mentioned it in his news article at
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=2283717

> If this is true it doesn't make much bussiness sense to me.

Perhaps the "kernel" of the IDE is the same, and it cannot share
personalities (like BDS contains more than one, perhaps the Turbo
product is hardwired to contain only one personality at a time?)

> Regards
> Yannis.

Groetjes,
Bob Swart

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[Bob Swart]

Hi Tony,

> I'm ready (when available) to buy Turbo Delphi Win32 and .NET!
> ;-)

But note that you cannot install them on the same machine: so you'd need
one machine with Turbo Delphi for Win32, and another for Turbo Delphi
for .NET...

(or one machine with BDS 2006, which contains everything)

[Unknown]

Yannis wrote:

> "Roddy Pratt" <> wrote in news:44d86d44$1...@newsgroups.borland.com:
> [snip]
> > and, AFAIK you can only install one
> > of the Turbo products on any one machine.
>
> Know!! How do you know this. I can't see anything stating something
> like this any where in the mentioned sites.
>

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=2283717

"Note, though, that you can only install one of the four product types
on a given machine; if you need to use multiple languages, Borland
figures you're a candidate for the higher-end Borland Developer Studio
product."

> If this is true it doesn't make much bussiness sense to me.

It's a bit strange. If you are happy with the limitation of 'explorer',
then you're not really going to be spending *any* money, no matter how
many languages. And if you want but two 'pro' products, (2 @ $499.95 or
whatever) it's costing almost exactly the same as BDS ($1090).

I imagine there would be a sensible upgrade path from a single turbo
product to BDS..

- Roddy

[Marco Caspers]

Venkatesh VT wrote:

> My mouth is watering inspite of having BDS architect version

Why?
All it seems to be is a stripped down single language version of BDS.
And looking at the release date, and the way BDS2007 is pushed back
only a few months, my guess is that the Turbo versions are single
language versions of BDS2006 with the fixes..

It's only usefull if you only require a single one, and it if it would
be BDS2007 instead of BDS2006. Else you already have it, and more..

--

[roman modic]

Hello!

"Bob Swart" <b.s...@chello.nl> wrote in message news:44D87F7F...@chello.nl...

> Hi Tony,
>
>> I'm ready (when available) to buy Turbo Delphi Win32 and .NET!
>> ;-)
>
> But note that you cannot install them on the same machine: so you'd need one machine with Turbo Delphi for Win32, and another for
> Turbo Delphi for .NET...
>

What about virtual machine?

Roman

[Yannis]

Bob Swart <b.s...@chello.nl> wrote in news:44D87FF...@chello.nl:

> Hi Yannis,

>
> Neil Rubenking mentioned it in his news article at
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=2283717

Thanks for the link.

> Perhaps the "kernel" of the IDE is the same, and it cannot share
> personalities (like BDS contains more than one, perhaps the Turbo
> product is hardwired to contain only one personality at a time?)
>

It doesn't really maters does it? I see it as an incovinience not a
problem and I'll have to consider it when and if I ever have that
need. I love the fact that they are back and I am confintent that
if the need rises we(Borland, me or the community) will find an
answer.

For more on my thoughts see my replay to Roddy.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards
Yannis.

[Yannis]

"Roddy Pratt" <> wrote in news:44d8809e$1...@newsgroups.borland.com:

> Yannis wrote:
>
>> "Roddy Pratt" <> wrote in news:44d86d44$1...@newsgroups.borland.com:
>> [snip]
>> > and, AFAIK you can only install one
>> > of the Turbo products on any one machine.
>>
>> Know!! How do you know this. I can't see anything stating something
>> like this any where in the mentioned sites.
>>
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=2283717
>

Thanks I didn't show that.

> It's a bit strange. If you are happy with the limitation of 'explorer',
> then you're not really going to be spending *any* money, no matter how
> many languages.

Well I was considering the Pro versions here.

> And if you want but two 'pro' products, (2 @ $499.95 or
> whatever) it's costing almost exactly the same as BDS ($1090).

That is what it does not make sense. If some one, although he is
aware of the best solution, chooses to go for two products instead
of one then why not sell him two products? It is after all his/her
choise. Now why he/she has to have two computers as well is something
that I can not comprehend.

In most cases I prefare two distinct products than a single combination
of them. It makes life easier to control since my needs for this products
will be different. I know that I can use BDS with different styles
and have the same effect, but I can't help warring about the fact that
a change in one of the personalities might break something in the other
which I will discover (as always) when I'll need to use the broken one
to solve something ASAP.

> I imagine there would be a sensible upgrade path from a single turbo
> product to BDS..

I imagine there will be a discount for the second IDE as well but this
is not my point. I am allready on BDS so it is cheaper for me to just
upgrade my current version with all the personalities than to buy any
two products.

As always my comments are for the professional version not the explorer
for which I do not care what the limitations are.

Thank you
Yannis.

[Don Strenczewilk]

Maybe the Database Toolbox, Editor Toolbox, and Graphics Toolbox. :)

"TDaniel" <NoE...@Spam.com> wrote in message
news:44d85758$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...

[Unknown]

Yannis wrote:

> If some one, although he is
> aware of the best solution, chooses to go for two products instead
> of one then why not sell him two products? It is after all his/her
> choise. Now why he/she has to have two computers as well is something
> that I can not comprehend.

There are probably technical as well as commercial reasons. at the
simplest level, when you doubleclick on a .pas file, which Turbo IDE
should it launch?

And there will likely be shared DLLs, shared Registry Keys, etc.

> In most cases I prefare two distinct products than a single
> combination of them. It makes life easier to control since my needs
> for this products will be different. I know that I can use BDS with
> different styles and have the same effect, but I can't help warring
> about the fact that a change in one of the personalities might break
> something in the other which I will discover (as always) when I'll
> need to use the broken one to solve something ASAP.

VMWare or Virtual PC could be the answer to your needs. That way you
can *really* keep the personalities separate,

- Roddy

[John Jacobson]

"Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)" <nickh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
<44d8045e$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>
> Yeah, he'll be talking about some "new stuff". Yeah.

This Turbo development is a welcome distraction from the Middle East problems,
not to metnion that it is an excellent way to get noticed and to show the world
that DevCo is serious about developers again, since the original Turbo line was
oriented squarely for developers without any of the stuff that executives go
ga-ga over.

--
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[Brad White]

<Roddy Pratt> wrote in message news:44d85537$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...

> Check out the whois data for turboexplorer.com.

That *is* interesting.

> Creation Date: 22-Jun-2006

--
Thanks,
Brad.

[Ted]

"John E. Wilfong" <j[nospam]wilfong@[reversethis]moc.loa> wrote:
> This topic has been brought up briefly before in a few threads. Here's an
> article dealing with an impending announcement.

any screenshots of how it will look yet (IDE, etc)?

[Yannis]

"Roddy Pratt" <> wrote in news:44d89054$1...@newsgroups.borland.com:

> There are probably technical as well as commercial reasons. at the
> simplest level, when you doubleclick on a .pas file, which Turbo IDE
> should it launch?
>
> And there will likely be shared DLLs, shared Registry Keys, etc.
>
>

> VMWare or Virtual PC could be the answer to your needs. That way you
> can *really* keep the personalities separate,

As I have already state I do not look for a solution I just express my
thoughts, fealings and inability to understand the bussines logic
behind it. For every technical problem I can find a solution which
I can live with.

For the time being I am just happy with the changes everything else
are simple annoyancies.

Regards
Yannis.

[Ray Porter]

Like others here, I qualify for the BDS upgrade so I'll stay with BDS Pro
unless I change professions and become a hobbyist again. If the pro turbo
editions are priced in the $200-$300 range, I think they'll attract a large
customer base among hobbyists and occasional programmers. Heck, a lot of
pros, particularly single, free lance programmers, may opt for the turbo pro
editions.

If the price is closer to $500 than $200, i.e, if it's close to half the
cost of the BDS, I think it would make more business sense to allow as many
turbo tools to install as any individual cared to purchase (possible
technical issues aside). If on the other hand, the turbo pro tools are
priced below $300, I would think it would make business sense to limit users
to a single installed tool and guide them to upgrade to the BDS. Of course,
there's always the argument that, if priced low enough, the sales volume may
be high enough to offset any loss of sales of the BDS. I suspect that those
of us who might need 3 or more of the "personalities" will always go for the
BDS, at least as long as the price comparison isn't too far off.

Of course, I'm not a marketer so what do I know. <g> I just think it's a
darned good move because it demonstrates a return to a focus on the
individual developers rather than just us corporate types.

Ray Porter

"Yannis" <No...@noware.non> wrote in message
news:44d8...@newsgroups.borland.com...

[Phillip Woon]

Probably the same as BDS. Makes sense to have the same IDE.

"Ted" <tg@[n0spam]quadrant.nl> wrote in message
news:44d8...@newsgroups.borland.com...

[Unknown]

I'm sure it will look almost exactly like BDS.

- Roddy

[Wayne Niddery [TeamB]]

Phillip Woon wrote:
> Is it me, or are the colors the same ones as when they first came out
> with Turbo C++ 1.0 ?

Obviously deliberate. Nice to see the old colors again!

--
Wayne Niddery - Winwright, Inc (www.winwright.ca)
"The two most abundant elements in the universe are hydrogen and
stupidity." - Harlan Ellison

[Brad White]

"John E. Wilfong" <j[nospam]wilfong@[reversethis]moc.loa> wrote in message
news:xn0epovi...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> http://www.turboexplorer.com (This one currently only states to stay tuned
> for fun)
>

As noted elsewhere, the TurboMan link doesn't work yet.
And, a search on YouTube comes up empty, for now.

--
Thanks,
Brad.

[Wayne Niddery [TeamB]]

Roddy Pratt wrote:
>
> Overall, I think this is brilliant news! I'm a bit concerned that the
> limitations in the 'explorer' version will restrict the growth of a
> grass-roots 'community' using those versions (no sharing components or
> IDE plugins). However, I don't have any better idea how to handle it,
> so...

Just to be clear, the limitation is in installing 3rd party components to
the tool palette. You can still use them in code.

--
Wayne Niddery - Winwright, Inc (www.winwright.ca)

"Those who disdain wealth as a worthy goal for an individual or a
society seem not to realize that wealth is the only thing that can
prevent poverty." - Thomas Sowell

[Chris Tattum]

Roddy Pratt wrote:

>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=2283717
>
> "Note, though, that you can only install one of the four product types
> on a given machine; if you need to use multiple languages, Borland
> figures you're a candidate for the higher-end Borland Developer Studio
> product."
>

If this also applies to the free editions, then that's a bit of a shame.
Do the Microsoft Express offerings have this limitation?

Still, this is fantastic news.

Chris

[Unknown]

Wayne Niddery [TeamB] wrote:

> Roddy Pratt wrote:
> >
> > Overall, I think this is brilliant news! I'm a bit concerned that
> > the limitations in the 'explorer' version will restrict the growth
> > of a grass-roots 'community' using those versions (no sharing
> > components or IDE plugins). However, I don't have any better idea
> > how to handle it, so...
>
> Just to be clear, the limitation is in installing 3rd party
> components to the tool palette. You can still use them in code.

Technically, that makes sense - I can't see how you'd enforce it
otherwise.

Commercially, it basically means you can't "design" with 3rd Party
VISUAL components (eg TNT unicode controls, for example ... sad...).
Non-visual component sets like Indy are just as easy to use without
integrating them into the IDE. So I expect there will still be
"explorer" customers buying 3rd party non-visual components.

Are there any "commercial use" restrictions?

- Roddy

[Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)]

Roddy Pratt wrote:

> Are there any "commercial use" restrictions?

Nope. None. Get the turbo, create the next great killer app. Make
millions.

But just remember that little company that started it all. ;-)

--
Nick Hodges
Delphi/C# Product Manager - DevCo
http://blogs.borland.com/nickhodges

[Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)]

Marco Caspers wrote:

> It's only usefull if you only require a single one, and it if it would
> be BDS2007 instead of BDS2006. Else you already have it, and more..

That's right -- existing BDS customers have no need for the Turbos.

[mr_organic]

"Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)" <nickh...@gmail.com> wrote in news:44d8aeab
$1...@newsgroups.borland.com:

><SNIP>

>
> Nope. None. Get the turbo, create the next great killer app. Make
> millions.
>
> But just remember that little company that started it all. ;-)
>

When will the "Turbo" editions become available for download?

mr_organic

[Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)]

Yannis wrote:

> I am allready on BDS so it is cheaper for me to just
> upgrade my current version with all the personalities than to buy any
> two products.

If you have BDS already, then the Turbo products are totally redundant
for you.

[Graham]

Absolutely bloody wonderful! I was just a hobbyist (or "hobbiest" as
they spell it here on the "intarweb") when I bought Delphi 1. And Delphi
3. And Delphi 5. I now use D5 at work, but bought BDS2006 for my own
use. I've been evangelizing Delphi for years, to all who would listen.

But I don't think I would have had the opportunity without a
low-barrier-to-entry product that allowed me the possibility of writing
commercial apps. (I still have the dream!)

Graham

[Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)]

mr_organic wrote:

> When will the "Turbo" editions become available for download?

From TurboExplorer.com, I see it will be

27 days, 23 hrs, 13 mins, 20 secs until the Turbo(s) are here!

[Matt Emson]

> Check out the whois data for turboexplorer.com. That convinced me this
> wasn't a windup. (Oh, and that fact that all of Nick's posts today seem
> to be wrapped in a <smug>...</smug> tag.)

OMG!! They regerstered with Go Daddy.com.. LOL.
They should enter the Diggnation compo and see if they can win the $100 ;-)

I wonder if someone thought to use the Diggnation coupon code to get money
off ;-)

[Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)]

Craig Stuntz [TeamB] wrote:

> No, seriously, I don't think they do.

However, they are much more limited in feature set than are the Turbo
versions.

[Craig Stuntz [TeamB]]

Chris Tattum wrote:

> Do the Microsoft Express offerings have this limitation?

In a manner of speaking, since the other offerings for VS Express
include stinkers like VB.NET. :)

No, seriously, I don't think they do.

--
Craig Stuntz [TeamB] · Vertex Systems Corp. · Columbus, OH
Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz
Everything You Need to Know About InterBase Character Sets:
http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz/articles/403.aspx

[GrandmasterB]

"Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)" <nickh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:44d8aeab$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...

>> Are there any "commercial use" restrictions?
> Nope. None. Get the turbo, create the next great killer app. Make
> millions.
> But just remember that little company that started it all. ;-)

Thats awesome Nick!

IMO, thats the best way to (re-) build a grassroots. Get tons of shareware,
'small-ware', and 'dorm-ware' authors using it. Thats something they
probably wouldnt do if there was a license restriction.

[Charles Appel]

"Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)" <nickh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:44d8aeab$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...

> Roddy Pratt wrote:
>
>> Are there any "commercial use" restrictions?
>
> Nope. None. Get the turbo, create the next great killer app. Make
> millions.

Excellent!!!

> But just remember that little company that started it all. ;-)

Which name should I remember it as?? ;^)

--
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http://charlesappel.home.mindspring.com/

[Nils Haeck]

Will the explorer and professional version be DCU compatible?

Nils