The borland.public.delphi.jobs forum has hit an all time low!
Isle Of The Dead
"Reid Roman" <re...@fgsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
> I understand that the economy is slow right now. And I do not monitor
other
> language job forums, and can only hope that this is not a *Delphi* thing
and
> the same across the board.
You guys really are in denial.
If I hadn't switched from Delphi to Java in 2000,
I'd have been unemployed for the past six months
like some of my former co-workers.
Dave Nottage (TeamB)
> You guys really are in denial.
..or you are, about the state of the market.
> If I hadn't switched from Delphi to Java in 2000,
> I'd have been unemployed for the past six months
> like some of my former co-workers.
You chose to pick a small sample to try and make a general point. All I can
say is nice try.
--
Dave Nottage (TeamB)
Joshua Pearce
> "Isle Of The Dead" wrote:
> > You guys really are in denial.
> > If I hadn't switched from Delphi to Java in 2000,
> > I'd have been unemployed for the past six months
> > like some of my former co-workers.
> You chose to pick a small sample to try and make a general point. All I
can
> say is nice try.
I don't know.. If I didn't have experience in an unrelated field (CAD/CAM),
I would be jobless too. I still feel lucky to be able to use Delphi
occasionally to code quick and dirty tools for personal use on the job. I
don't personally (as in "real life") know anybody who is making a living
employed as a Delphi programmer right now.
Of course one way to look at it is to say that in these times of slow tech
job market, the "lesser" Delphi programmers are being weeded out, which may
be true to an extent. However, Delphi is being particularly hard hit because
the new job openings were already extremely rare.
Mark Shiffer
yourself well and have good work experience you shouldn't find much of a
problem. Granted I don't job hop, but in 1998 I had about a 90% job offer
per interview rate. Now you're saying "of course it was 1998", but I
recently (at the beginning of the year) decided to move and found several
Delphi jobs. My interview sucess rate was not nearly as good, probably about
40%, but that doesn't matter much. I found an excellent company in an area
that I like.
Dave Nottage (TeamB)
> I don't know.. If I didn't have experience in an unrelated field
(CAD/CAM),
> I would be jobless too. I still feel lucky to be able to use Delphi
> occasionally to code quick and dirty tools for personal use on the job.
Personal experiences are nice to talk about, but hardly reflect the globla
state of the market. Looking at it from a few users' view is very short
sighted.
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Dave Nottage (TeamB)
Dave Nottage (TeamB)
> I must say that I've never had trouble finding a Delphi job. If you
present
> yourself well and have good work experience you shouldn't find much of a
> problem.
Not necessarily. As others have related, it is difficult in some places.
Sadly, they make it sound like their problem is a general problem, which is
a false assumption.
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Dave Nottage (TeamB)
Mr. Delphi Developer
> Have you tried looking at job advertisements in any media not specifically
> delphi? C++ is the most common language requirement (i.e. we will not hire
> you unless you know C++), Delphi (almost) never appears, even as a
> preferable.
>
I dismiss C++ openings due to my lack of knowledge about VC++/BCPP. I
think I could "get by" if I really had to but since I have no practical
experience with that language, I do not even apply. What would be the
use?
David Farrell-Garcia
> If I hadn't switched from Delphi to Java in 2000,
> I'd have been unemployed for the past six months
> like some of my former co-workers.
>
>
Guess job opportunities would be commensurate with your skills
--
David Farrell-Garcia
Orca Software & Technologies
http://www.orcasoftware.com
David Farrell-Garcia
> Have you tried looking at job advertisements in any media not
> specifically delphi? C++ is the most common language requirement (i.e.
> we will not hire you unless you know C++), Delphi (almost) never
> appears, even as a preferable.
>
If that is where you are forced to look for employment you are already at a
disadvantage.
Harry Van Tassell
>
> It just seems that corporate America doesn't get it that M$ products
> cost so much more in the long run. They are not really looking at ROI
> in their decision making process. Sure they claim they are but they
> don't have real numbers concerning the time and costs of development
> using Delphi .vs VB/VC++/.Net.
>
I dare say that in today's competitive economy, companies that spend
millions on development costs are very concerned with controlling both short
and long term costs. Many are quite proficient in gathering and analyzing
cost data. But putting all that aside, how is it that MS is able to convince
corporate America that MS technology and tools leads to lowest TCO and
highest ROI? Oh, did you say they are better at slinging BS than the good
guys at Borland? Well maybe it's high time that Borland gets a handle on the
BS problem and develop strong relationships with consultant/adviser firms
like Gartner. They could start by bribing (paying) Gartner to publish a
study clearly showing Delphi to be the worlds best development tool and then
go stick it down the throat of the decision makers of corporate America.
--Hairy <listening for gagging sounds from corporate America>
Harry Van Tassell
"Mr. Delphi Developer" wrote:
>
> I suggested long ago that the marketing sloths at Borland read the book
> about Microsoft's business practices, can't exactly remember the
> name...They don't have to emulate M$, just follow some of their
> tactics...
>
> Are you listening Dale????
>
As critics are wont to say, take it to a higher power, the Board of
Directors.
--Hairy
Mike Nelligan
> Therein lies the problem...NICHE MARKET...
>
> We don't want Delphi to be in that market. We'd like it to be
> mainstream.
Yes and I also want world peace :)
> Heck, if I don't even get replies for jobs I've applied and that I am
> fully qualified for, what do you expect me to believe about the Delphi
> market around here?
It's a bad thing for unlucky individuals but as long as there is a global
critical mass Delphi will survive. What is good for Delphi programmers
isn't necessarily good for Borland and vice versa.
> It just seems that corporate America doesn't get it that M$ products
> cost so much more in the long run. They are not really looking at ROI
> in their decision making process. Sure they claim they are but they
> don't have real numbers concerning the time and costs of development
> using Delphi .vs VB/VC++/.Net.
I don't buy that. Non-MS isn't right for most and corporate America
didn't get to be what it is by simply being silly. We can all speculate on
how
things would be different if some key decisions were made 10, 20, 30 years
ago but two concepts that people often miss are that 1) Leave good enough
alone 2) Stay on the winning side.
Reid Roman
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Reid Roman
Future Generation Software
http://www.fgsoft.com
re...@fgsoft.com
"Dave Nottage (TeamB)" <dav...@nospamola.smartchat.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Mike Nelligan" wrote:
> > And the Delphi developers are compaining that there aren't any jobs.
> > Something weird is going on here. Seriously, although I am a Delphi
> > programmer and love Delphi, I doubt that Delphi would be my first choice
> of
> > tool if I was an IT manager and I don't feel like I am betraying anybody
> by
> > saying that.
>
> Please trim your quotes when replying.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Dave Nottage (TeamB)
>
>
Dave Nottage (TeamB)
> Uh ... I thought I did, please look again at the original quote.
I was talking to Mike.
> "Dave Nottage (TeamB)" <dav...@nospamola.smartchat.net.au> wrote in
message
> news:3dbb...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> > "Mike Nelligan" wrote:
> > > And the Delphi developers are compaining that there aren't any jobs.
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Dave Nottage (TeamB)
Mr. Delphi Developer
> And the Delphi developers are compaining that there aren't any jobs.
> Something weird is going on here. Seriously, although I am a Delphi
> programmer and love Delphi, I doubt that Delphi would be my first
> choice of tool if I was an IT manager and I don't feel like I am
> betraying anybody by saying that.
And why is that?
Having been a VB programmer for several years, I can say that ANY
serious project done in VB is going to take a significantly longer
time to complete than with Delphi. Can't speak for the VC++ folks..
Wouldn't you want to be your project to be on-budget and on time?