OEM Versions - upgrade potential
Colleyville Alan
a registration code. There is a large discount on the price. My question
is, if I purchase such a version, do I qualify for the upgrade price on a
new version of Delphi or is that only for people who buy through a dealer
that sells the "regular" versions?
Same question for Borland's sofware assurance (if that is the right term) -
is it possible to buy it when you purchase an OEM version?
Thanks.
Frank Andreas de Groot
> I have seen websites that offer Delphi 7 in an OEM version - just the CD and
> a registration code. There is a large discount on the price.
I am pretty sure this is an illegal copy.
Colleyville Alan
news:3feb1c4b$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
Well this is the link, I did not get the sense that it was illegal, but was
curious if this was "gray market" http://www.cdatlow.com/foryou/
Is there anyone who can give me a definitive answer? I certainly don't want
an illegal copy!
Thanks
Frank Andreas de Groot
>
> Well this is the link, I did not get the sense that it was illegal, but was
> curious if this was "gray market" http://www.cdatlow.com/foryou/
That website does not exist.
damian marquez
news:3feb1e23$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Well this is the link, I did not get the sense that it was illegal, but
was
> curious if this was "gray market" http://www.cdatlow.com/foryou/
> Is there anyone who can give me a definitive answer? I certainly don't
want
> an illegal copy!
> Thanks
Hmmm. Sounds very suspicious. Nowhere in their FAQ this is mentioned that
these are legal or illegal copies... This would be my first question... They
say
there is no support from the manufacturers... About the origin they just say
that
it comes from Eastern Europe.
I don't think these copies are legal, even if the CDs might look
professionally recorded
(for those who are into music, specially in the 3rd world, they may have
heard or
seen the Russian music CDs which are really bootlegs, for example, The
Beatles
official First and Second Album on the same CD... Quality is excellent, both
sound
and packaging, this is hardly what we can get now here in Argentina as
imported
material)
I wouldn't really buy this package unless some good explanation (tax
exemption??
lower cost for Eastern countries?) comes from them and from Borland.
Sergey M
check this last q&a.
"Where does this software comes from ?
The software is shipped from Eastern Europe."
There is your answer as far as legitimicy of it goes. <g>
--
Sergey M
damian marquez
Well it does here, Frank, I just entered.
Frank Andreas de Groot
news:3feb...@newsgroups.borland.com...
I get this (maybe bec. it's a criminal organisation and blocked?):
The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might
be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser
settings.
Martin Waldenburg
> I have seen websites that offer Delphi 7 in an OEM version - just the CD and
> a registration code. There is a large discount on the price.
Borland Germany has a DownloadShop,
but there aren't discounts.
http://borland.de/company/contact/downloadshop.html
Martin
Frank Andreas de Groot
news:3feb21bf$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> The software is shipped from Eastern Europe."
>
> There is your answer as far as legitimicy of it goes. <g>
There is no way I can get this site, but a WHOIS gives the full name & address
of the owner.
It's a Russian guy. Borland does not do business in Russia and even refuses to
make a Russian version.
100% sure it is a criminal organization.
Frank Andreas de Groot
>
> Well this is the link, I did not get the sense that it was illegal
You must be joking!
Windows Server 2003 Enterprise
Retail price: $3999.00
Our low Price: $60.00
You Save: $3939.00
A "rebate" of 98.5% and you had no impression that it was illegal??
Frank Andreas de Groot
> For me it does - when I click on the link it brings up a website called
> "CDCheap". A Google search on CDCheap also brings up this link:
> http://www.wlycos.com/foryou/
wlycos is, like cdatlow, owned by the same criminal, Alexander Popov, Gagarina
15, Machachkala, DA 321238, Russia, tel. 3439764289.
Lycos should sue him.
Colleyville Alan
"CDCheap". A Google search on CDCheap also brings up this link:
http://www.wlycos.com/foryou/
Frank Andreas de Groot
Another thing, don't ever give your credit card number to such crooks.
Colleyville Alan
Guess I missed that one. Mostly I noticed slightly older versions of
current software, though on closer examination the titles seem to be recent.
What struck me as odd was that some of the software packages would not
likely be bundled with a computer as OEM (i.e. when was the last time anyone
ordered a Dell or Gateway bundled with Delphi?). Anyhow, looks like I got
my question answered.
Andrew Rybenkov
WOW! So he is my neighbor!, - actually ~1km to his house from mine.
Unless, the info is wrong, because
> 321238
wrong zip code - all the codes in my town start with 367
> tel. 3439764289.
that is total crap, also, - we have 6 digits numbers (first digit of all of them - 6),
mobile phone numbers could be longer, but they would start with 8
And, - just checked the phone book, - there are no Popovs listed at the address.
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
> I have seen websites that offer Delphi 7 in an OEM version
I have never heard of an OEM version of D7, so it sounds suspicious. The
URL you posted doesn't take that suspicion away either. It's not the
price of the packaging or some of the leaflets that makes e.g. WinXP Pro
so expensive.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." - Pancho
Villa, dying words.
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> Gagarina 15, Machachkala, DA 321238, Russia, tel. 3439764289.
>
> Lycos should sue him.
It would be very difficult in the Russian legal system because of they way
Russian copyright law is.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
ELKNews - Get your free copy at http://www.atozedsoftware.com
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> refuses to make a Russian version.
This is not true! There is a Borland office in Moscow and Borland certainly
DOES do business in Russia.
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
> wrong zip code - all the codes in my town start with 367
>
> that is total crap, also, - we have 6 digits numbers (first digit of
>
> And, - just checked the phone book, - there are no Popovs listed at the
> address.
All the more supsicuious, isn't it?
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"Hell is other people."
- Jean-Paul Sartre (1905-1980)
chrisC
Chris
"Frank Andreas de Groot" <nos...@abcdefgnospam.biz> wrote in message
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Frank Andreas de Groot
> DOES do business in Russia.
Read my post.
I talked about a Russian VERSION of Delphi.
Andrew Rybenkov
> Russian copyright law is.
Nope, - USSR had signed Geneva copyright convention yet in 1974, so it's the same law.
But, indeed, it would be very difficult in the Russia because of total corruption.
Yet it possible, if
a) Borland, or Lycos or whoever will make contact with Bush and he asks Putin about the matter;
b) write complaint to KGB (current name - Federal Service of Security - www.fsb.ru) - if they will be in the mood
(IF!),
they will resolve the problem.
c) launch the case via Interpol (Russia is a member of it).
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Andrew Rybenkov
Actually nothing suspicious :) - it's clear as a sunny day - 100% bootleg.
Some "smart" guys just decided to get some bread from naive foreigners.
Of course, it is possible, that it is a joint FBI/FSB project to disclose buyers of
illegal goodies. But that is hardly, because of "Machachkala" (not Moscow, or St. Petersburg).
Also "Machachkala" is incorrect. More (phonetically) correct - "Mahachkala", but
officially we transliterate it as "Makhachkala" with purpose that English-language folks
would not omit "h" as they do, say, in "honest", or "Graham".
(from this I deduce :) the guy is not very educated, and below 30, or even 25)
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
> > All the more supsicuious, isn't it?
>
> Actually nothing suspicious :) - it's clear as a sunny day - 100%
> bootleg. Some "smart" guys just decided to get some bread from naive
> foreigners.
Er... that is what I meant. <g>
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought
which they avoid."
-- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
news:3feb...@newsgroups.borland.com:
> all of them - 6), mobile phone numbers could be longer, but they would
> start with 8
Unless you know that town - Russian "area" codes do vary in size. St Pete is
812 while Irkutsk is 3952. These make it 9-10
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
I wasnt replying to yours. And from Frank's message I quote:
"Borland does not do business in Russia "
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> the same law. But, indeed, it would be very difficult in the Russia
Im not sure what that entails - but I do know:
1) In Russia there are CDs available "legally" on every street corner and
Metro (subway) station with every piece of commercial software you could ever
want for about $5 each.
2) My wife is a Russian lawyer and in the past has explained why #1 is
"legal".
> because of total corruption. Yet it possible, if
Corruption does allow illegal activity - but not in such an open way.
> a) Borland, or Lycos or whoever will make contact with Bush and he asks
Ha! Thats a funny one. :) Im sure Putin will jump right on it right now with
his worries about Iraq, Chechnaya, Yukos and other.
> Putin about the matter; b) write complaint to KGB (current name -
> Federal Service of Security - www.fsb.ru) - if they will be in the mood
Thats a funny one too. FSB doesnt care about such.
Frank Andreas de Groot
news:3feb...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> So if you want to ask some questions and listen my harsh voice (that bloody
flu, you know :)
> just dial <country's code> - 8-872-0-630920.
You have the flu too?
I have been in bed for 4 days already!
Andrew Rybenkov
Just being in fighting mood? ;)
I _know_ that town, because it's my native town, and right now I send this message from that town 8-))
You can argue with me about Fontanka, but not about that town ;))
(BTW, if you will decide sometime to acquire some quantity of black caviar, it would be significantly cheaper
to fly to that town and buy it there (here), than in St.P. - May-June if you want the fresh)
> St Pete is 812
And Makhachkala's - 872.
So if you want to ask some questions and listen my harsh voice (that bloody flu, you know :)
just dial <country's code> - 8-872-0-630920.
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Andrew Rybenkov
> Metro (subway) station with every piece of commercial software you could ever
> want for about $5 each.
>
> 2) My wife is a Russian lawyer and in the past has explained why #1 is
> "legal".
Sorry, there was some misunderstanding between you and your wife.
But that activity is strictly illegal. And once per 1-2 year police pointedly crash some of kiosks,
burn some CDs, and arrest some guys.
Why they sold bootleg CDs everywhere? Ask nearby policeman. (If he will not smash your face, consider
yourself as a lucky man.)
Also where did you take $5? Traditionally it's ~2.5USD. Or just $1 if you order by mail.
> Corruption does allow illegal activity - but not in such an open way.
Man, you still do not know Russia :)
Who the heck cares about some bloody CDs, when you can get cocaine in 100 yards from Headquarters of FSB?
> Ha! Thats a funny one. :) Im sure Putin will jump right on it right now with
> his worries about Iraq, Chechnaya, Yukos and other.
If Bush personally ask Putin about some person he would certainly do. And vice versa.
Don't confuse worries of trouble(oops, news)-makers with reality. I can't say about Putin,
but for me it was very unfortunate day just because Beagle-2 (Europian robot, Mars-explorer)
stopped to respond while landing on Mars. (One of the reasons) Because it could provide very useful
information to Russia which is going to launch piloted spaceship (and piloted landing) to Mars in 2011-12.
But you mentioned subjects - c'mon, who cares, - especially, Yukos - LOL!
> Thats a funny one too. FSB doesnt care about such.
a) I said "if in the mood" (political mood, for example);
b) how do you know what FSB care about?
(BTW, most of all my affirmations I can confirm by examples from my life, but that is, certainly, is off-topic here)
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Andrew Rybenkov
4 days? Oh, those youngsters! :))
I have it more than month! Actually when I started to recover my wife got ill, and little later
I got ill from her. They say there is something special in the current flu virus, - our immune system
is much less effective. That makes me crasy, (as I am usually a quite healthy man - thanx to my parents).
And this - already month - disability to continue playboy life - "I say, mamma, weer all crazee now!"
(Written with 38.4C temperature ;)
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> some quantity of black caviar, it would be significantly cheaper to fly
> to that town and buy it there (here), than in St.P. - May-June if you
> want the fresh)
Im not much of a caviar man - but I do like Omul. And we go to Baikal every
year for quite a batch. :)
Nick Hodges (TeamB)
This is almost certainly piracy. As far as I know, there is no such
thing as an OEM version of any Borland product.
Nick Hodges - TeamB
Lemanix Corporation
Please always follow the newsgroup guidelines --
http://www.borland.com/newsgroups
Maris Janis Vasilevskis
> And Makhachkala's - 872.
> So if you want to ask some questions and listen my harsh voice (that bloody flu, you know :)
> just dial <country's code> - 8-872-0-630920.
Sorry, Andrew, you are wrong with your invitation.
The first 8 you deal in Russia is not a part of number, it is a far call identifier
(like 1 in USA and 00 in most European countries).
To call you from abroad, the right way is <far call> 7-872-0-630920
(7 is Russia international code).
343 is Yekaterinburg (or Sverdlovsk region). You can call the guy by prefixing
10 digit number with 8, we with a prefix <far Call>+7.
Mahris
Rain Bo
> Read my post.
you mean the one quoted below in which you stated, "Borland does not do business
in Russia"?
> From: "Frank Andreas de Groot" <nos...@abcdefgnospam.biz>
> Subject: Re: OEM Versions - upgrade potential
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>
> > The software is shipped from Eastern Europe."
> >
> > There is your answer as far as legitimicy of it goes. <g>
>
>
> There is no way I can get this site, but a WHOIS gives the full name & address
> of the owner.
> It's a Russian guy. Borland does not do business in Russia and even refuses to
> make a Russian version.
>
> 100% sure it is a criminal organization.
--
R.
Rain Bo
> You have the flu too?
> I have been in bed for 4 days already!
It would be better for everyone here if you stayed there.
--
R.
Andrew Rybenkov
whatever. It just is not a Makhackalian phone number - that's all I said.
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
No, there is no misunderstanding.
> But that activity is strictly illegal. And once per 1-2 year police
Not true.
> pointedly crash some of kiosks, burn some CDs, and arrest some guys.
When corruption causes something to be allowed - such as prostitution
(Which is illegal in Russia) it happens but a bit overtly. CD kiosks in
Russia arent in back rooms - they are on every corner and Metro. They are
like Fast Food is in the US. Things that happen because of corruption do
not happen so overtly.
Sure - Russia has a few laws saying that you cannot copy this or other -but
the devil is in the details of it and specifically what it restricts and
allows.
Im sorry - but given that my wife is a LAWYER and taught law in a
university I will take her understanding of the law anyday over yours.
If you get arrested for something - I trust you would rather have my wife
on you side than defending yourself. :)
> Why they sold bootleg CDs everywhere? Ask nearby policeman. (If he will
> not smash your face, consider yourself as a lucky man.)
Because its legal in Russia to sell them.
> Also where did you take $5? Traditionally it's ~2.5USD. Or just $1 if
> you order by mail.
Remember St Petersburg is the "New York" of Russia, everything is more
expensive. Marshrutki's, Cafe's, everything.
>> Corruption does allow illegal activity - but not in such an open way.
>
> Man, you still do not know Russia :)
I know it much better than you think, but you do not understand all the
details of the law.
> Who the heck cares about some bloody CDs, when you can get cocaine in
> 100 yards from Headquarters of FSB?
I never denied that you can buy drugs. But whats the point? You can buy
such 100 yards from police stations in many parts of US cities too.
> If Bush personally ask Putin about some person he would certainly do.
Im sure Bush and Putin are worried about one guy selling illegal CDs on the
Internet when the same stuff is avaiable in every kiosk.
>> Thats a funny one too. FSB doesnt care about such.
>
> a) I said "if in the mood" (political mood, for example);
> b) how do you know what FSB care about?
You can read the news. And for other reasons I do not care to state I have
a fairly good idea about general operations of fezba offices at the casual
level. They could give a rat's butt about cd copying.
Ender
Youngsters? I'm 28 years old, and rarely ill the fly more than 3..4 days
being on the foot. I'm live near South-Ural mountains.
Ender
Quasidata
"Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <cp...@hower.org> wrote in message
news:Xns945CBA5...@127.0.0.1...
> 1) In Russia there are CDs available "legally" on every street corner and
> Metro (subway) station with every piece of commercial software you could
ever want for about $5 each.
> 2) My wife is a Russian lawyer and in the past has explained why #1 is
> "legal".
I am not a lawyer and not insisting on my view of Russian copyright
protection law.
Chad, I guess you got explanations of your wife at least a year ago. She was
right at that time. AFIK things slightly changed this year.
Before the criminal code condemned only *using* unlicensed software, not
holding nor trading. Only the party which copyright rights were infringed
could initiate a legal action, not government. Suppose, a policemen asked
you, why the heck were you using MS Win2K and you could say 'That's not your
business, what am I running on my box but MSFT's'. Probably, next time he
came with a someone who has a paper that he represents MSFT and they sued
you. Actually, police simple taken your computer as an exhibit without
argumentation on the first visit, and then you were lost on your own.
The clause in the criminal code has been changed this year. Now, holding,
transportation, trading of illegal copies of software or other copyrighted
stuff is illegal as well. I do not know, whether only the copyright owner
may still initiate a legal action or law-enforcement officials can too. I
think, now the latter is the case.
The law is quite good, whereas reality is much worse........
--
Andrei Fomine
Andrew Rybenkov
> > But that activity is strictly illegal. And once per 1-2 year police
> ...
> Not true.
> ...
> Sure - Russia has a few laws saying that you cannot copy this or other -but
> ...
> Because its legal in Russia to sell them.
> ...
> I will take her understanding of the law anyday over yours.
http://www.elspa.ru/start_e.html/
(especially see "Raids" link)
> Im sorry - but given that my wife is a LAWYER and taught law in a
> university
> Remember St Petersburg is the "New York" of Russia, everything is more
> expensive.
More expensive than in Moscow??
(And of course it is not "NY", "NY" is Moscow).
About expensive - want some St.P. links for CD by mail <$1? You can find them in WWW/Usenet without problem.
> CD kiosks in
> Russia arent in back rooms - they are on every corner and Metro.
So? They sell faked cigarettes even in many more place - almost everywhere. Ever tried to get genuine, say, Marlboro,
Camel, or Parliament? Do you think it's legal to fake cigarettes (in Russia)?
> my wife is a LAWYER and taught law in a university
I am not going insinuate about your wife, but I tell you what
4-5 years ago I used to get a decent profit in April-May by making graduation works for
local universities computer graduates (easy money). Then that money flood dried up, - nobody
would request my services anymore. I started investigate the matter by asking here and there about it.
Answer was very simple: for those graduates it became cheaper (and of course, more simple) to give bribe to university's
professors.
> If you get arrested for something - I trust you would rather have my wife
> on you side than defending yourself. :)
(That's another proof you do not know current Russian situation very well.)
If someone will get arrested, - most fast and reliable way for him - do not hold forth on his civil rights,
but to know via his friends/relatives (or sometimes directly) how much it would cost and to whom it should be paid.
Your mistakes are common and traditional: you look at Russia by eyes of Western man, - for you a law is the most
important thing,
while for a Russian citizen a law is just another mean to full pockets of bureaucrats with cash.
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Dmitry Mikhilov
"too quick" when sticking labels to anyone in general and Chad in
particular.
Dmitry
P.S.: If you know the situation concerning copyright and corruption in
Russia so well, then keep your invaluable knowledge solely with you, OK?
Halyava never lasts forever...
Andrew Rybenkov
Personally no.
> but I know him.
So?
> Just a little advice: don't be
> "too quick" when sticking labels to anyone in general and Chad in
> particular.
And how this "advice" relates to the current thread/subthread?
> then keep your invaluable knowledge solely with you, OK?
a) why?
b) it seems to me like another advice, but, sorry, I do not remember when I gave you work of my adviser.
> Halyava never lasts forever...
And that - what does it mean?
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Dmitry Mikhilov
"Andrew Rybenkov" <aryb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
news:3fef...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> > Andrew, you do not know Chad,
>
> Personally no.
>
> > but I know him.
>
> So?
So, I entirely disagree with you when wrote to Chad: "Your mistakes are
common and traditional" etc..
> > Just a little advice: don't be
> > "too quick" when sticking labels to anyone in general and Chad in
> > particular.
>
> And how this "advice" relates to the current thread/subthread?
And how your comments relate to Delphi? Even non-tech? What about "Putin and
Bush"? And "policeman sticking to face"? You can't stop yourself from
writing bullshit to "naive foreigneres"?
> > then keep your invaluable knowledge solely with you, OK?
>
> a) why?
> b) it seems to me like another advice, but, sorry, I do not remember when
I gave you work of my adviser.
Fortunately, I'm not your employee. I only hope that you'll read guidelines
of this newsgroup somehow. Oh, I forgot - you've just told that "for a
Russian citizen a law is just another mean to full pockets of bureaucrats
with cash" - no necessity to read guidelines... Speak about yourself and
your own views, please. There may be diffeerent opinions on what is "law for
a Russian citizen".
> > Halyava never lasts forever...
>
> And that - what does it mean?
"You like to look misunderstanding"?
Dmitry
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
news:3fec...@newsgroups.borland.com:
Yes, it was over a year ago.
> Before the criminal code condemned only *using* unlicensed software, not
> holding nor trading. Only the party which copyright rights were
> infringed could initiate a legal action, not government. Suppose, a
Yes -this was exactly it! I was thinking that it was similar to some things
in the US I remember when I was a kid that are illegal to use, but legal to
buy. :)
> The clause in the criminal code has been changed this year. Now,
> holding, transportation, trading of illegal copies of software or other
> copyrighted stuff is illegal as well. I do not know, whether only the
Actually I think I remember a bit about this. If we are talking about the
same thing I remember, it only applies to transactions that cross the border
though and was designed to keep western Europe happy by stopping the exports.
Or is the new change different than this?
> The law is quite good, whereas reality is much worse........
Are you sure there arent a bunch of loopholes in it? Russian law is quite
famous for such.
Quasidata
"Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <cp...@hower.org> wrote in message
news:Xns94605B1...@127.0.0.1...
> "Quasidata" <quasidataATquasidataDOTcom> wrote in
> news:3fec...@newsgroups.borland.com:
> > The clause in the criminal code has been changed this year. Now,
> > holding, transportation, trading of illegal copies of software or other
> > copyrighted stuff is illegal as well. I do not know, whether only the
>
> Actually I think I remember a bit about this. If we are talking about the
> same thing I remember, it only applies to transactions that cross the
border
> though and was designed to keep western Europe happy by stopping the
exports.
> Or is the new change different than this?
http://www.wto.ru/en/news.asp?msg_id=4641
http://www.gorodissky.com/English/News/Publications/ , look for
Amendments to the Russian Criminal Code, Article 146 "Violation of copyright
and neighboring rights"
--
Andrei Fomine
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> (especially see "Raids" link)
They seem to really have it for PS2 games. From reading it it appears this
group is somehow backed by Sony or other.
I see it doing litte in real life though. Warez are still available on
every corner of every city and that does not seem to be changing much.
And looking here:
The Founding Members of the Anti-Software Piracy Association are:
1. SoftClub Closed-End Joint-Stock Company
2. Agaroun Company Individual Private Enterprise
3. SOYUZMULTIMEDIA Closed-End Joint-Stock Company
4. Kompaniya Bitman Public-Joint-Stock Company
5. Buka Closed-End Joint-Stock Company
6. COMPULINK Closed-End Joint-Stock Company
7. SONY CIS Joint-Stock Company
Shows why they seem to target PS2 and other Sony media. I like #5. Thats
not a common Russian word, but a bit of a wierd one to name a software
company. :) (For English readers, it roughly translates to boogey man)
> More expensive than in Moscow??
Its not far off. Moscow and St Pete have been rated in the top 5 most
expensive cities in the world - off course that was as rated by expats.
Moscow was recently #1 IIRC, but SP is not far off.
> (And of course it is not "NY", "NY" is Moscow).
All a matter of opinion - but I always thought of Moscow as a DC and SP as
a NY. Although I hate NY and dont like to associate SP with that.
> About expensive - want some St.P. links for CD by mail <$1? You can find
> them in WWW/Usenet without problem.
Prices on internet dont matter - I get my software from the states for full
price. I was merely posting for other users to show them the situation
here.
>> CD kiosks in
>> Russia arent in back rooms - they are on every corner and Metro.
>
> So? They sell faked cigarettes even in many more place - almost
> everywhere. Ever tried to get genuine, say, Marlboro, Camel, or
> Parliament? Do you think it's legal to fake cigarettes (in Russia)?
I dont smoke, but I know it happens with cigarretes, alchohol and more.
However since the prices are the same and the reproductions so good its not
as overt. That is many people dont know they are fakes and you cannot
always tell immediately. With software its very obvious both from
reproduction of the packaging to the price.
> I am not going insinuate about your wife, but I tell you what
> 4-5 years ago I used to get a decent profit in April-May by making
> graduation works for local universities computer graduates (easy money).
> Then that money flood dried up, - nobody would request my services
> anymore. I started investigate the matter by asking here and there about
> it. Answer was very simple: for those graduates it became cheaper (and
> of course, more simple) to give bribe to university's professors.
Yes. It happens and is a sad part of the current economic situation. But
what does this have to do with the discussion?
In fact this is why my wife stopped pursing her doctorate - everyone else
was either paying or in one (And other cases I am sure) sleeping with the
doctorate professor.
>> If you get arrested for something - I trust you would rather have my
>> wife on you side than defending yourself. :)
>
> (That's another proof you do not know current Russian situation very
> well.) If someone will get arrested, - most fast and reliable way for
> him - do not hold forth on his civil rights, but to know via his
> friends/relatives (or sometimes directly) how much it would cost and to
> whom it should be paid.
In many cases yes this is true. However in more serious cases you should
still have good legal representation in addition to such possible measures.
> Your mistakes are common and traditional: you look at Russia by eyes of
> Western man, - for you a law is the most important thing,
> while for a Russian citizen a law is just another mean to full pockets
> of bureaucrats with cash.
You are much to a cynic and too quick to judge people that you know nothing
about.
Andrew Rybenkov
> common and traditional" etc..
They are not common and traditional?
> And how your comments relate to Delphi? Even non-tech? What about "Putin and
> Bush"? And "policeman sticking to face"?
my message relates to previous message, while your message.. ehem...
> You can't stop yourself from
> writing bullshit to "naive foreigneres"?
from a to z, please, - what is so bullshiting in my replies.
> Fortunately, I'm not your employee.
He-he, fortunately for me :)
> I only hope that you'll read guidelines
> of this newsgroup somehow.
I did. Did you?
> Oh, I forgot - you've just told that "for a
> Russian citizen a law is just another mean to full pockets of bureaucrats
> with cash" - no necessity to read guidelines... Speak about yourself and
> your own views, please. There may be diffeerent opinions on what is "law for
> a Russian citizen".
Ah! I see mr. yet-another-hoorray-patriot here. Enlighten us with your wisdom and life knowledge.
> > > Halyava never lasts forever...
> >
> > And that - what does it mean?
>
> "You like to look misunderstanding"?
Why to use specific Russian slang in ng that certainly would not understand it? You can make it by private e-mail with
the same success. Not sure I will answer it, though, - to say nothing about it is totally unrelated to the topic.
And please, very please, try to make your next message being in sober state - just for a change.
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
>> > > Halyava never lasts forever...
>>
>> "You like to look misunderstanding"?
>
> Why to use specific Russian slang in ng that certainly would not
> understand it? You can make it by private e-mail with the same success.
There are many in this NG that understand it. And since it was a reply to you
- it doesnt really matter how many others can read Russian.
Dmitry Mikhilov
"Andrew Rybenkov" <aryb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
news:3ff2...@newsgroups.borland.com...
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> And please, very please, try to make your next message being in sober
state - just for a change.
Mistakenly I presumed that I talk to more or less sane person. Good luck.
Dmitry.
Andrew Rybenkov
Exactly.
> Warez are still available on
> every corner of every city and that does not seem to be changing much.
here we are returning to corruption, not to absence of corresponding laws.
> Prices on internet dont matter - I get my software from the states for full
> price.
I have no doubt about it.
> I was merely posting for other users to show them the situation
> here.
yes, same here.
> With software its very obvious both from
> reproduction of the packaging to the price.
It is not. Bootleg CDs are sealed with those faked holographic marks that look quite genuine.
> But what does this have to do with the discussion?
Just to point out you should say "My wife is a lawer".
Expression "Someone has diploma of <something>" sounds a bit fishy ;)
> You are much to a cynic
And certainly I am. Because life is such. So get your yet another 3 real life stories:
1) Remember that terroristic capture of theater centre on Dubrovka in Moscow? Some bandits managed to flew,
and police was suppoused to "seal" Moscow. Exactly same day (later) my friend's refrigerator truck loaded with bananas
started its way from Moscow to here (Makhachkala). It was stopped by traffic police, that insisted that driver opened it
(to see
nobody hides in it). The driver said "it's not possible. They could open the truck only on special places, otherway
bananas would spoil".
The policeman said he did not care about "your 'ucking bananas, just open it up!". Well, 500 Rubles (~$18USD) resolved
the matter.
2) ~ Month ago during some operation on freeing of kidnapped boy they arrested Chief of Kidnapping Department (of our
Republic).
3) Last Friday son of wife (by her first marriage) was hit to death by a car and the driver flew away. There were
zillions of witnesses,
many of which noticed the plate numbers. You know what? - they did not catch the bastard yet! (Though gossip reached me
that that bloody
silver Mersedes belongs to some police officer.)
> and too quick to judge people that you know nothing about.
Maybe. BTW if you saw something insulting in my comments, I do apologize because it was never intended.
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Andrew Rybenkov
If you indeed presumed it you should talk sanely, not to issue bubble-gum bubbles.
--
Andrew Rybenkov.
Joanna Carter (TeamB)
Guys, can we kill this thread, it has nothing to do with the original topic.
If you still insist on bickering over the finer points of Russian society,
could you do so in off-topic?
Joanna
--
Joanna Carter (TeamB)
Consultant Software Engineer
TeamBUG support for UK-BUG
TeamMM support for ModelMaker
Andrew Rybenkov
Yes, of course.
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Andrew Rybenkov.