http://www.borland.com - looks cool!
Igor Baranovskyy
marc hoffman
before...
Stephane Grobety
> potential customers to give their data at first - before they can
> eventually see my product) is THE way to go, especially in days where
> each grocery shop thinks it must "CRM'ize" its customers to eventually
> press out a few more cents.
I fully agree with you. Too bad this is not the way things are heading at
the moment... (I'm damn old enough to know when I need pre-sale assistance
and I sure don't need the compulsary "Thank you for downloading XYZ
software" email each time I want to have a first look at an application).
Good luck,
Stephane
bcb
http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/
As long as all the info is still there, its not that bad. Its just a matter
of adjusting to new thing :-)
"marc hoffman" <m...@elitedev.com> wrote in message news:3cea5f9a_1@dnews...
marc hoffman
also: what's the deal with this "info." thing? istn't "www." good enough
anmore?
G. Bradley MacDonald
In the lower right hand corner is a graphic for Featured Events. Does
anyone know the skyline in the photo? It looks familiar.
Bradley
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
Subject: http://www.borland.com - looks cool!
Well, actually, I liked the old one better. This one seems to be for
"corporate"s, but it was a lot easier to find what you needed on the old
site, and even easier on the site before that.
I agree that the graphics look better on the new site, but it is
definitely not user-friendlier. So what do better graphics buy me?
See my sig below.
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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"A picture is worth a thousand words (which is why it takes a thousand
times longer to load...)" -- Eric Tilton, Composing Good HTML
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
> > http://info.borland.com/devsupport/bde/
>
> also: what's the deal with this "info." thing? istn't "www." good enough
> anmore?
Borland have many (probably some virtual) servers: www, info, qc,
community, newsgroups, etc.
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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack
the time to make it shorter." -- Blaise Pascal
JoeH
> Well, actually, I liked the old one better.
I did too. Now, another dime-a-dozen "blue" look.
So much for using any sort of color scheme
to brand the company, sigh. Even the product pages
have lost any color identity/themes.
JoeH
John
news:Xns9215AC44129E...@207.105.83.65...
I fully agree as well. And I think it's important for people to express
their dislike of such practices.
ed
"Igor Baranovskyy" <igo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3cea5b76_2@dnews...
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Peter McMahon
I'll second you on that one. If you want to buy the product, you'll go back
to the website and buy it - you don't need an e-mail to remind you to buy it
(unless of course you don't need it, in which case you shouldn't buy it)!
However, I have actually had one useful e-mail from a software supplier
before, who seem to have understood the idea that CRM is about serving
customers more efficiently, not shoving adverts down their throats. After
downloading one of their trial apps, it noticed that I hadn't signed in
after a few days, so it sent an email asking me to send a query in where a
*human* would help out if I'd got stuck. That's intelligent use of
registration info, IMHO.
Peter
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
> "Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" wrote
> > Well, actually, I liked the old one better.
>
> I did too.
It still seems to exist:
but I guess that is only temporarily.
marc hoffman
> community, newsgroups, etc.
yes. well. i know. i am hosting a few servers (and a few more subdomains to
elitedev.com <g>) myself. i just don't see the point for having each and
every page of the homepage on a different domain then "www", and forwarding
the "www" urls to the other. but then, maybe i'm a bit over-senstive when
it comes to cleanly and properly structuring a web-presence...
marc
Thomas Mueller
it's probably a matter of personal taste. In my opinion it looks
better but it also makes one thing clear: Delphi is no longer the
strategic product offered by Borland but JBuilder is. This is pretty
bad news for the folks here.
MfG :-)
Thomas
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
> yes. well. i know. i am hosting a few servers (and a few more subdomains to
> elitedev.com <g>) myself. i just don't see the point for having each and
> every page of the homepage on a different domain then "www", and forwarding
> the "www" urls to the other. but then, maybe i'm a bit over-senstive when
> it comes to cleanly and properly structuring a web-presence...
It looks as if info.borland.com simply contains the entire old site, and
they are not finished updating or moving everything to www yet.
Perhaps they wanted this to be finished before BorCon, i.e. before the
web people were completely finished with transferring everything.
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
I'm not so sure. The old site often had one product or other (some
latest release of something) on the front. Since JB7 was released during
BorCon, that may simply be the reason for it to be there now (BTW, I see
J2EE, not JBuilder).
I would try not to read too much into that.
William Meyer
> I'm not so sure. The old site often had one product or other (some
> latest release of something) on the front. Since JB7 was released during
> BorCon, that may simply be the reason for it to be there now (BTW, I see
> J2EE, not JBuilder).
>
> I would try not to read too much into that.
Time will tell. JBuilder is prominent not only on the home page, but also
on the products page. The other pages have no comparable focal point. :(
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J Hall
(TeamB) says...
Hi,
> It still seems to exist:
>
> http://info.borland.com/
...I can find my way around that one..
J
John Kaster (Borland)
> Time will tell.
Yes it will.
> JBuilder is prominent not only on the home page, but also
> on the products page.
JBuilder 7 was just announced.
For people who are paying such close attention to the subtleties of product
placement on our web site, it astounds me that you didn't notice when C++
Builder, Delphi, BES, and Kylix were all featured most prominently on our web
site in their turn when a new version was announced.
Hmm... maybe that has something to do with ... <gasp> ... marketing! <g>
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Colin Wilson
> Subject: http://www.borland.com - looks cool!
Who are the people in the photo? Have they got anything to do with Borland
- or are they just a bunch of Models with the required racial & gender
balance?
But it looks to me as if they're all ganging up on the tall dude second
from the right. Maybe they're from Borland Network security, and they've
discovered that he's still got a modem connected furtively to his PC. And
what is the shifty-looking guy on the left saying? Something negative by
the looks of it.
Maybe a Caption Contest would clear the air!
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J Hall
Hi,
> > Subject: http://www.borland.com - looks cool!
>
> Who are the people in the photo?
>
> Maybe a Caption Contest would clear the air!
Guy on left, "Sorry I misheard you, you said 'the marketing
department'?"
Women with clipboard, "So we are all going with 'When Its Ready' then?"
J
marc hoffman
> Who are the people in the photo? Have they got anything to do with
Borland
> - or are they just a bunch of Models with the required racial & gender
> balance?
> But it looks to me as if they're all ganging up on the tall dude second
> from the right. Maybe they're from Borland Network security, and they've
> discovered that he's still got a modem connected furtively to his PC. And
> what is the shifty-looking guy on the left saying? Something negative by
> the looks of it.
LOL. Thanx!
marc
Oliver Giesen
product
> placement on our web site, it astounds me that you didn't notice when C++
> Builder, Delphi, BES, and Kylix were all featured most prominently on our
web
> site in their turn when a new version was announced.
>
> Hmm... maybe that has something to do with ... <gasp> ... marketing! <g>
...or with the frequency with which JBuilder releases appear. There seems to
be hardly time to put anything else up in between long enough to notice
it...
Oliver
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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
> Who are the people in the photo? Have they got anything to do with Borland
> - or are they just a bunch of Models with the required racial & gender
> balance?
It's TeamB how they see themselves. <vbg>
William Meyer
> JBuilder 7 was just announced.
That's nice <stifled yawn> Yes, I know it's important to the corp, but it
holds no attraction for me.
> For people who are paying such close attention to the subtleties of
product
> placement on our web site, it astounds me that you didn't notice when C++
> Builder, Delphi, BES, and Kylix were all featured most prominently on our
web
> site in their turn when a new version was announced.
First, we noticed the site redesign. Second, we noticed that JBuilder is
the obvious pitch on the home page. Then, on visiting the /products/ page,
as I stated earlier, I observed the prominence again of JBuilder. Referring
to my comment above, I have no concern for JBuilder, but I do have the
impression that it may be eclipsing Delphi in the profit picture, and
that's a major concern to me.
> Hmm... maybe that has something to do with ... <gasp> ... marketing! <g>
Good marketing also requires some applied concern for the (mis-)conceptions
created in presentation. But you know that, too, of course <g>.
Dave Nottage (TeamB)
> Referring to my comment above, I have no concern for JBuilder, but I do
> have the impression that it may be eclipsing Delphi in the profit picture,
From the JBuilder pitch? If so, you've conveniently forgotten the Delphi
pitch when version 6 was released, and JBuilder took a back seat.
> Good marketing also requires some applied concern for the
> (mis-)conceptions created in presentation.
What mis-conceptions?
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William Meyer
> From the JBuilder pitch? If so, you've conveniently forgotten the Delphi
> pitch when version 6 was released, and JBuilder took a back seat.
The point I apparently failed to adequately underscore was the combination
of the JBuilder emphasis with the complete redesign of the site.
> > Good marketing also requires some applied concern for the
> > (mis-)conceptions created in presentation.
>
> What mis-conceptions?
Chiefly, the one that on the current site, all focus seems to be on
JBuilder, even to the expense of other products.
Tony Tanzillo
when the type is so small that it can't be read
without a magnifying glass.
(1600 X 1200, 17" display).
The only thing their new site design does, is tell
me their web site designers are totally clueless
when it comes to human egonomics and Accessibility.
(No, enlarging the fonts in IE doesn't work!).
marc hoffman
> pitch when version 6 was released, and JBuilder took a back seat.
"back seat" meaning of course that, for about 5 days (out of 356) it was not
topic number one on borland.com
marc hoffman
> > What mis-conceptions?
> Chiefly, the one that on the current site, all focus seems to be on
> JBuilder, even to the expense of other products.
what Dave (subconciously) is trying to tell you is that there _is_ no
mis-conception. JBuilder is 90% of what Borland cares about. Delphi matters
to those people involved with it (as i'm sure Jphn and Anders will be quick
to point out), but that's about it.