Re: StarTeam Licensing questions
Anders Ohlsson (Borland)
It's a "stackable" license which means you can combine multiple license
into a multi-user Standard license.
In your case you would need 4 copies.
And yes, it contains the required client and server.
If you need more functionality than what's in the Standard SKU, I believe
you need to call a sales person (see info on site).
Sarah wrote:
> StarTeam $700.00
> http://shop.borland.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry10?SP=10023&PN=1&V1=732425&xid=39696&CID=0&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0
>
>
> That is the only edition I see there.
> Does it contain server and client?
>
> How many users can access that server?
> We have to use it for 4 developers. Do we have to buy 4 separate
> copies of the above?
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
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Sarah
Wayne Niddery [TeamB]
> StarTeam $700.00
> http://shop.borland.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry10?SP=10023&PN=1&V1=732425&xid=39696&CID=0&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0
>
> That is the only edition I see there.
> Does it contain server and client?
Yes.
> How many users can access that server?
> We have to use it for 4 developers. Do we have to buy 4 separate
> copies of the above?
If you want all 4 to have concurrent access then yes. Buying this SKU from
the shop gets you one named license per unit. You install the server once on
whatever computer is to host it, and install the client on other machines.
You add the named license certificates to the server and link those to users
you add, then those users can log in from the client computers.
There is also a "floating" license you can get instead of named. Not sure of
the pricing, but it may mean you only need, say, 2 licenses instead of 4 -
if 2 people are logged in, then others have to wait til one logs out. I
guess you have to call Borland to get those.
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Dan Palley
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> This is the Standard version which is included in BDS Ent & Arch.
My understanding is that StarTeam Standard is going away and enterprise will
be the "basic" version.
Dan
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
o There is NO server license for StarTeam.
o The StarTeam download is free (Server and client).
o You only need to pay for concurrent or named user licenses.
o All licenses will downgrade to the lowest SKU you have installed. So
if you have 10 enterprise user licenses and one standard user license
installed, you have 11 standard user licenses.
o If you only want StarTeam standard and use a Borland IDE, it is
probably a much better idea to buy the Enterprise version of the IDE,
which gets you the StarTeam Standard license for free, instead of
paying for Pro IDE and a StarTeam Standard license. You get much more
functionality for not much more money.
-Craig
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Sarah
> There is also a "floating" license you can get instead of named. Not sure of
> the pricing, but it may mean you only need, say, 2 licenses instead of 4 -
> if 2 people are logged in, then others have to wait til one logs out. I
> guess you have to call Borland to get those.
>
Thanks to you and Anders for the details.
We have contacted Borland Sales just now..
They said they would send us the details within 24 hours.
Thanks,
Sarah
John Wester [Group W]
> Dan Palley wrote:
>
> > My understanding is that StarTeam Standard is going away and
> > enterprise will be the "basic" version.
>
> Do you have a source for this? Unless they also drop the cost of the
> Enterprise SKU, this will make StarTeam a really expensive option.
Oh aye. For that very reason the Powers-That-Be have dropped StarTeam
and switched to VSS and Bugtracker.net :(
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Bruce McGee
> My understanding is that StarTeam Standard is going away and
> enterprise will be the "basic" version.
Do you have a source for this? Unless they also drop the cost of the
Enterprise SKU, this will make StarTeam a really expensive option.
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Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
> Oh aye. For that very reason the Powers-That-Be have dropped StarTeam
> and switched to VSS and Bugtracker.net :(
:( You can get free without getting VSS's instability.
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Dan Palley
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> Dan Palley wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that StarTeam Standard is going away and
>> enterprise will be the "basic" version.
>
> Do you have a source for this? Unless they also drop the cost of the
> Enterprise SKU, this will make StarTeam a really expensive option.
The source was my Borland sales rep (Tom Burns). We just purchased 6 ST
enterprise licenses and were told that standard was no longer available and
that there was no upgrade option from the standard licenses we have with D10
Ent.
Dan
Bruce McGee
> The source was my Borland sales rep (Tom Burns). We just purchased 6
> ST enterprise licenses and were told that standard was no longer
> available and that there was no upgrade option from the standard
> licenses we have with D10 Ent.
>
> Dan
Wow.
My first response would probably be skepticism. I have had problems
with Borland Canada that sound a little like this. I would confirm
with the local rep's boss or with Borland US. Especially on pricing
and upgrades.
The only StarTeam SKU I see on shop.borland.com and shop.borland.ca is
Pro, so I can't see the current cost of Enterprise. I'm still holding
out hope that their plan is to offer Enterprise at the current cost of
Pro.
Bruce McGee
> Oh aye. For that very reason the Powers-That-Be have dropped StarTeam
> and switched to VSS and Bugtracker.net :(
Masochism? Yup, that will teach Borland a lesson. :)
Dan Palley
> Dan Palley wrote:
>
>> The source was my Borland sales rep (Tom Burns). We just purchased 6
>> ST enterprise licenses and were told that standard was no longer
>> available and that there was no upgrade option from the standard
>> licenses we have with D10 Ent.
>>
>> Dan
>
> Wow.
>
> My first response would probably be skepticism. I have had problems
> with Borland Canada that sound a little like this. I would confirm
> with the local rep's boss or with Borland US. Especially on pricing
> and upgrades.
>
Tom Burns is with Borland US. Here's the exact quote:
"I may ask Dan Kowalski to contact you by phone before then to ensure that
we are quoting the right version. We believe that you probably need either
Enterprise or Enterprise Advantage. Also, we are discontinuing StarTeam
standard and I don't want to leave you in a lurch as far as support."
Dan
Tom Reiertsen
in message news:44ce...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> To clarify the other replies:
>
> o There is NO server license for StarTeam.
> o The StarTeam download is free (Server and client).
> o You only need to pay for concurrent or named user licenses.
> o All licenses will downgrade to the lowest SKU you have installed. So
> if you have 10 enterprise user licenses and one standard user license
> installed, you have 11 standard user licenses.
> o If you only want StarTeam standard and use a Borland IDE, it is
> probably a much better idea to buy the Enterprise version of the IDE,
> which gets you the StarTeam Standard license for free, instead of
> paying for Pro IDE and a StarTeam Standard license. You get much more
> functionality for not much more money.
>
Ok, this list of facts really should be on the StarTeam product pages. I'm
not kidding either! It answered all the questions I've ever had about
StarTeam and it's licenses.
Best Regards,
Tom Reiertsen
Bruce McGee
> Tom Burns is with Borland US. Here's the exact quote:
>
> "I may ask Dan Kowalski to contact you by phone before then to ensure
> that we are quoting the right version. We believe that you probably
> need either Enterprise or Enterprise Advantage. Also, we are
> discontinuing StarTeam standard and I don't want to leave you in a
> lurch as far as support."
>
> Dan
If you don't mind sharing the details, I would be very curious to hear
how this turns out.
Jon Robertson
>o All licenses will downgrade to the lowest SKU you have installed. So
>if you have 10 enterprise user licenses and one standard user license
>installed, you have 11 standard user licenses.
Did this change recently? IIRC, this wasn't always the case. You could
install a mixture of licenses. The client would only allow the
functionality included with the license assigned to the user.
FWIW, I'm still on 5.4, which does support stackable licenses. But the
licensing may have changed since 5.4, which is why I ask. :)
Dan Palley
Like I said, I purchased StarTeam Enterprise.
Dan
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
> Craig Stuntz [TeamB] wrote:
>
> > o All licenses will downgrade to the lowest SKU you have
> > installed. So if you have 10 enterprise user licenses and one
> > standard user license installed, you have 11 standard user licenses.
>
> Did this change recently? IIRC, this wasn't always the case. You
> could install a mixture of licenses. The client would only allow the
> functionality included with the license assigned to the user.
Well, this is what a salesperson told us, so take it with a grain of
salt I suppose. Salespeople aren't the most reliable of sources. I
haven't actually tried it.
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Wayne Niddery [TeamB]
>
> Well, this is what a salesperson told us, so take it with a grain of
> salt I suppose. Salespeople aren't the most reliable of sources. I
> haven't actually tried it.
Just thinking about this and I recall it as being that clients are
up/downgraded to the server version, e.g. if I have standard version server
on my computer for my local work, but then connect to a client that only has
Enterprise server then I can use enterprise features there, likewise if his
client connects to my server, he'll only see standard features available.
This makes sense because the client is AFAIK neutral - it knows nothing
about the server version edition it ships with.
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TObject
> salt I suppose. Salespeople aren't the most reliable of sources. I
> haven't actually tried it.
I don't understand why is there need for a salesperson to sell StarTeam
type products. Just put together a web page that outlines details
posted in this thread, and an "Add to Cart" or "Buy Now" button,
and bam, you have the best salesperson there could be.
I am sure would sell more product that way too.
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
> Just thinking about this and I recall it as being that clients are
> up/downgraded to the server version, e.g. if I have standard version
> server on my computer for my local work, but then connect to a client
> that only has Enterprise server then I can use enterprise features
> there, likewise if his client connects to my server, he'll only see
> standard features available. This makes sense because the client is
> AFAIK neutral - it knows nothing about the server version edition it
> ships with.
AFAIK, there is no "enterprise" or "standard" server (or client, as
you say). Only the user licenses differ.
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Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
> I don't understand why is there need for a salesperson to sell
> StarTeam type products. Just put together a web page that outlines
> details posted in this thread, and an "Add to Cart" or "Buy Now"
> button, and bam, you have the best salesperson there could be.
I agree you should be able to do this if you're willing to pay the
list price, but my company saved quite a bit of money by buying through
a salesperson.
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Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)
> I don't understand why is there need for a salesperson to sell
> StarTeam type products.
Welcome to the difference between Borland and DevCo.
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John Wester [Group W]
> TObject wrote:
>
> > I don't understand why is there need for a salesperson to sell
> > StarTeam type products. Just put together a web page that outlines
> > details posted in this thread, and an "Add to Cart" or "Buy Now"
> > button, and bam, you have the best salesperson there could be.
>
> I agree you should be able to do this if you're willing to pay the
> list price, but my company saved quite a bit of money by buying
> through a salesperson.
Now why would a software company use a car dealership model? The mind
boggles....
TObject
> > StarTeam type products. Just put together a web page that outlines
> > details posted in this thread, and an "Add to Cart" or "Buy Now"
> > button, and bam, you have the best salesperson there could be.
> I agree you should be able to do this if you're willing to pay the
> list price, but my company saved quite a bit of money by buying through
> a salesperson.
I'd just let everybody save money.
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
> Now why would a software company use a car dealership model? The mind
> boggles....
<shrug> Nearly all of them do, except the ones which sell primarily to
end users. Borland doesn't primarily sell StarTeam to end users; keep
in mind that the StarTeam market is different (though overlapping) than
the Delphi market. How many software companies selling primarily to
other companies sell for one fixed price only?
Again, I think all SKUs *should* be on the shop site, but you probably
will get a better deal on more than a couple copies from a salesperson.
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Wayne Niddery [TeamB]
>
> AFAIK, there is no "enterprise" or "standard" server (or client, as
> you say). Only the user licenses differ.
Yes, of course, that makes more sense. I would certainly think the server
could deal with different user licenses, providing appropriate
functionality, but I'm not in a position to test it, perhaps all do
downgraded to the lowest.
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Tom Reiertsen
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>
> Welcome to the difference between Borland and DevCo.
>
Then I hope non-US customers will be able to purchase the same easy way too.
Best Regards,
Tom Reiertsen
Joe Average
mind gettign back the two days we wasted on it.
Try this:
http://www.relisoft.com/co_op/index.htm
We just bought 4 licences for about the same price as one Starteam licence
and it is heaps better and is actually usable.
"Sarah" <Sara...@HotMail.com> wrote in message
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> StarTeam $700.00
> http://shop.borland.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry10?SP=10023&PN=1&V1=732425&xid=39696&CID=0&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0
>
> That is the only edition I see there.
> Does it contain server and client?
>
> How many users can access that server?
> We have to use it for 4 developers. Do we have to buy 4 separate copies of
> the above?
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah