Delphi 2006
Jean
I have today licences of Delphi 6 and approved from my boss to buy the
latest version of Delphi.
Is better wait to Delphi 2006 release or buying Delphi 2005 now give me a
free upgrade to Delphi 2006 ?
Best regards,
Jean
Mark Smith
Bauer's "unofficial" fixes to make it really useful.
If that doesn't bother you then I'd say go for it and order now, bec. once I
got all this in place (plus installed the FastMM memory manager) I now
really like D2005. Before that, however, I couldn't use it.
HTH -
Mark Smith
Oliver Townshend
> free upgrade to Delphi 2006 ?
You should investigate buying 2005 now and purchasing Systems Assurance, so
you can get free upgrades.
I take it you are upgrading because you can, not because there's something
you need in 2005 or 2006.
Oliver Townshend
John Michael
Borland is no longer a trustable company. I would suggest that you wait a few weeks after Delphi 2006 is released to see if the product works, and then make a decision. It will be released next month, so you won't have to wait a lot.
John Michael
John Wester [Group W]
says...
>
> Borland is no longer a trustable company. I would suggest that you wait a few weeks after Delphi 2006 is released to see if the product works, and then make a decision. It will be released next month, so you won't have to wait a lot.
>
>
--
John
Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts
Serge Dosyukov (Dragon Soft)
Even Delphi 2005 is now product which is working well, so we could expect
DeXter release being at least not worse, effort is significant looking at
latest Borland commentary...
So I would not be so negative about a product.
John Michael
John Wester [Group W] <rot13....@gryhf.arg> wrote:
>What absolute rubbish
Glad to see that you will be the guinea pig that will save us from wasting our money on a product that might need a year of patches to achieve stability. Your willingness is greatly appreciated.
Bruce McGee
--
Regards,
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Glooscap Software
Jean
I'll change my question... Is a good idea to keep in Delphi or go away and
use VS 2005 ?
Jean
"John Michael" <qwe...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Will DeWitt Jr.
> I'm be afraid and worried now....
>
> I'll change my question... Is a good idea to keep in Delphi or go
> away and use VS 2005 ?
I'd wait for Delphi 2006 to be released (real soon now).. if it's
horribly buggy, then yeah, VS 2005. Otherwise, Delphi 2006. ;)
Will
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Alan Garny
news:4346...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> I'm be afraid and worried now....
>
> I'll change my question... Is a good idea to keep in Delphi or go away and
> use VS 2005 ?
I have personally been with Borland for about 15 years and I don't intend to
move away from them. I purchased D2005, after skipping D8 (no interest in
.NET at this stage), and I have been less than impressed with it (it simply
doesn't form well on my system) and therefore resigned myself to stick to
D7, despite some of the cool features in D2005. I am, however, very much
looking forward to Dexter/D2006. From what I have read here and there, it
ought to be *much* better than D2005 (not difficult if you ask me!).
So, in conclusion, I wouldn't bother with D2005 at this stage and wait for
D2006 to come out. It should happen sooner than later I would think, so...
Alan.
John Wester [Group W]
says...
>
> John Wester [Group W] <rot13....@gryhf.arg> wrote:
>
> >What absolute rubbish
>
> Glad to see that you will be the guinea pig that will save us from wasting our money on a product that might need a year of patches to achieve stability. Your willingness is greatly appreciated.
I was productive in D2005 from the get go. Sure, there was an
occaisional burp, but I didn't think I wasted my money at all,
especially with the ECO stuff.
I've been porting applications for clients that go back to D5 and they
went without a hitch.
No, m'lad, I didn't waste any money at all. In fact I've made a pile of
geldt with D2005.
John Wester [Group W]
says...
> I'm be afraid and worried now....
>
> I'll change my question... Is a good idea to keep in Delphi or go away and
> use VS 2005 ?
>
What a nonsense comment. See Serge's commentary and my reply to Mr.
Michael.
Thomas Miller
as a programming language, you should check out Chrome.
But I would wait for D2006 before making any decision,
especially if you are wanting to continue to program
in w32 vs .Net.
Will DeWitt Jr. wrote:
> Jean wrote:
>
>
>>I'm be afraid and worried now....
>>
>>I'll change my question... Is a good idea to keep in Delphi or go
>>away and use VS 2005 ?
>
>
> I'd wait for Delphi 2006 to be released (real soon now).. if it's
> horribly buggy, then yeah, VS 2005. Otherwise, Delphi 2006. ;)
>
> Will
>
--
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Chrome Portal Project Manager
Wash DC Delphi SIG Chairperson
Delphi Client/Server Certified Developer
BSS Accounting & Distribution Software
BSS Enterprise Accounting FrameWork
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/uopl/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbexpressplus
Charles Appel
Don't be worried. Not everybody had big problems with the first
release of D2005. I had very few. And since I applied the updates,
I haven't had any problems.
Delphi 2005 was a major upgrade from previous versions. It
supports multiple programming languages. It is hardly surprising
that there were some glitches with a product that is essentially
version 1.0 of a multi-language development system.
> I'll change my question... Is a good idea to keep in Delphi or go away and
> use VS 2005 ?
Switching to VS means losing the Delphi language and any
codebase you have built up in it. It also means committing future
development to .NET unless you are willing to code your
applications in C++, with the resultant loss of productivity.
VB.NET is simply not as capable as Delphi. It lacks the power
of Delphi and the ability to create 32-Bit Native Code applications.
C# may be competitive with Delphi, but the language is .NET only
and you lose the elegant form designers for .32-Bit Native Code
Delphi and Delphi VCL.NET. The WinForms designer is crude by
comparison and WinForms dumps the form code directly into the
form source code file. This is an accident waiting to happen.
I would stay with Delphi. If your upgrade needs are not immediate,
wait for Delphi 2006, which should be available fairly soon. If you
need to upgrade quickly, get Delphi 2005 and Software Assurance.
You'll get the upgrade to D2006 when it is released.
--
Charles Appel
http://charlesappel.home.mindspring.com/
Home of Chuck's Poker Libraries for Delphi,
Chuck's Video Poker and Chuck's Toys
Liz
> I was productive in D2005 from the get go. Sure, there was an
> occaisional burp, but I didn't think I wasted my money at all,
> especially with the ECO stuff.
I have some oddities but, Im sure they are mine I just cant track them
down however, if I were to find the money in my bank account right now,
Id upgrade to 2005 if I could, rather than use my friends laptop..
I wouldnt consider it a waste of money in the slightest.. I just cant
currently afford it :(
--
Liz the Brit
Liz
> I'm be afraid and worried now....
If say, it depends
d2005 is usuable for most people
visual studio envolves possible major reworking depending on what you
coded in
D2005 could be even better than d2005 (it sounds like it should be,
what with c++ in it.. maybe next year they add jbuilder to it?)
if you buy software assurance you get it anyway...
so.. upgrade+sa vs visual studio + possible major rework
why not get the trial for d2005, stick it in a vm trial guest, and see
how much work is involved with the convertion.. You may find your life
is good and that its the simplest and cheapest option
--
Liz the Brit
otday oreycay @otmailhayotdayomcay Tom Corey
> I have today licences of Delphi 6 and approved from my boss to buy
> the latest version of Delphi.
> Is better wait to Delphi 2006 release or buying Delphi 2005 now give
> me a free upgrade to Delphi 2006 ?
I don't see anything on the Borland Software Store website indicating
that there is a free upgrade path from D2005 to D2006. You might call
Borland and see if such an offer exists.
Regardless, my advice would be to simply wait for D2006 to be released.
D2005 had a great many problems initially, so if you start with it
you'll have to install several official patches, and probably an
unofficial one as well to get it working at peak reliability. But if
half what we're reading about D2006 turns out to be correct, it should
be a much more stable and useable prrogram, right out of the box.
Donald Shimoda
>
> D2005 could be even better than d2005
Are you thinking in a self enhance? <g>.
Donald
Liz
> Are you thinking in a self enhance? <g>.
Nope, just failed my typing skill roll
--
Liz the Brit
Tim
If you can't afford it, download it.
somebody
> I have today licences of Delphi 6 and approved from my boss to buy the
> latest version of Delphi.
>
> Is better wait to Delphi 2006 release or buying Delphi 2005 now give me a
> free upgrade to Delphi 2006 ?
I don't see them taking out D6 from the upgrade path, so I would suggest
waiting if you don't have the need now. Even after D2006 comes out, I will
wait a couple of months to see how it's going before buying.
Liz
> If you can't afford it, download it.
Err, I wouldnt cheat borland out of the money
--
Liz the Brit
Tim
"Liz" <liz_want...@xcalibur.nospam.co.uk> wrote:
>Err, I wouldnt cheat borland out of the money
You wouldn't cheat. It is irrelevant if you download it or not, because you don't have the money and you won't buy it anyway.
Kevin Berry
> Borland is no longer a trustable company.
After what they've done lately and all the quality stuff they've put in
place, with all the information on blogs detailing just what they've
done and what fixes they've put in I don't understand how you can say
this. And Delphi 2005 is just fine with Update #3. I haven't installed
the unofficial patches and I'm using Delphi 2005 every day and it is
very stable.
> I would suggest that you wait a few weeks after Delphi 2006 is
> released to see if the product works, and then make a decision.
If Borland is offering a free upgrade to Delphi 2006 at this stage (or
they're switching to Software Assurance) then why not get Delphi 2005
and work with that- when Delphi 2006 comes along they can migrate when
it is stable. And by all accounts it appears that it will be pretty
darn stable.
If Borland isn't offering a free upgrade and the choice is to get Delphi
2005 or wait for Delphi 2006 then I'd wait for Delphi 2006 as well. It
may well be stable enough to start using when it comes out. We'll wait
to see what the reaction is to it though.... there's bound to be some
unhappy people- but it all depends what they're complaining about. ;-)
> It will be released next month, so you won't have to wait a lot.
True, although it could be the month after that... or if it slips, then
early next year. Who knows- I don't think we can count on any specific
date because Borland hasn't actually committed to anything.
Cheers,
Kevin.
Jeff Overcash (TeamB)
Please do not recommend to any one on Borland's newsgroups to pirate Borland
software. This is against the rules of use for these newsgroups.
--
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(Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You)
Your friends will know you better in the first minute you meet than your
acquaintances will know you in a thousand years. (R Bach)
Donald Shimoda
> You wouldn't cheat. It is irrelevant if you download it or not,
> because you don't have the money and you won't buy it anyway.
Interest point.
First, i guess you will get a big kick in some low place from some
TeamB member.<g>
But really, if Liz or everyone want only learn with the tool she cant
do nothing except donwload it. Off course that is like piracy but if he
will dont do money with that, is still piracy?
Please dont suggest personal edition (available only to germany
people????) because she want to learn to use ECO by example. What to do?
Start the shots!
Donald
Holger Flick
> Repeating this doesn't make it any more true. :)
Hi Bruce,
I think here we go again with another spammer :-( We had that in June
already, remember...
--
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Liz
> Tim wrote:
> But really, if Liz or everyone want only learn with the tool she cant
> do nothing except donwload it. Off course that is like piracy but if
> he will dont do money with that, is still piracy?
I own a copy of D5 enterprise, that was the last version I affored, I
didnt feel a need for d7.. However, the ?999 it costs in the uk to
upgrade... yes arguably I could get away with professional, (?310 for
upgrade) but, then I can bet my backside in month Id need something
from the enterprise.. and if I wanted architect... Its ?1540.. I dont
earn that a month! Let alone have it to spend after paying all the
bills.
> Please dont suggest personal edition (available only to germany
> people????) because she want to learn to use ECO by example. What to
> do?
Personal edition is great but is limited.. and not very available as
you pointed out.. Shame that.
--
Liz the Brit
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
> Please dont suggest personal edition (available only to germany
> people????) because she want to learn to use ECO by example. What to
> do?
I'm not going to address the rationalizations of piracy (I find them a
bit disingenuous), but relative to the above, for D2005 you can use the
time-limited trial, and D2006 will have some ECO features in most if
not all SKUs.
--
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Borland newsgroup denizen Sergio Gonzalez has a new CD of
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Donald Shimoda
>
> I'm not going to address the rationalizations of piracy (I find them
> a bit disingenuous),
Indeed
> but relative to the above, for D2005 you can use
> the time-limited trial,
Really? Are you sure somebody can learn in 30 days all the D2005 stuf?
I dont think so.
> and D2006 will have some ECO features in most
> if not all SKUs.
Must be good see the matrix to verify that sentences.
Donald
Larry Drews
news:xn0e87tjc...@newsgroups.borland.com:
>
>> but relative to the above, for D2005 you can use
>> the time-limited trial,
>
> Really? Are you sure somebody can learn in 30 days all the D2005 stuf?
> I dont think so.
Well, I've been using Delphi for 10 years full-time and I'm still learning
new things. Do you think the trial version should last that long?
Bob
> I dont think so.
Wasn't the point to then upgrade to DeXter?
Donald Shimoda
>
> Well, I've been using Delphi for 10 years full-time and I'm still
> learning new things. Do you think the trial version should last that
> long?
Cold be great!
The point is , i really think must be a way to people learning to use
it without charge. If they dont get money just let them use it. Anyway,
if somebody want to get it in piracy sites can do and im sure they do.
Why not legalize that?
I think im crazy, may be is the friday, you are rigth
Donald
Larry Drews
>
> Cold be great!
> The point is , i really think must be a way to people learning to use
> it without charge. If they dont get money just let them use it. Anyway,
> if somebody want to get it in piracy sites can do and im sure they do.
> Why not legalize that?
>
> I think im crazy, may be is the friday, you are rigth
>
> Donald
>
Well, then University should be free, also. And all seminars or any kind
of classes. But how do the instructors get paid? Or the owners of the
classrooms?
Bruce McGee
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I think here we go again with another spammer :-( We had that in June
> already, remember...
Hi Holger,
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was unintentional.
For now. :)
How was Ekon? Going by all the blogs it looks like it was pretty
interesting.
--
Regards,
Bruce McGee
Glooscap Software
Ingvar Anderberg
"Larry Drews" <ldrews...@tampabay.rr.com> skrev i meddelandet
> Well, then University should be free, also. And all seminars or any kind
> of classes. But how do the instructors get paid? Or the owners of the
> classrooms?
Why should they need money, if everything was free ? :)
(not a bad idea, BTW)
Alan Garny
news:Xns96E8D182B432Bl...@207.105.83.66...
> Well, then University should be free, also. And all seminars or any kind
> of classes. But how do the instructors get paid? Or the owners of the
> classrooms?
Well, you may not be aware of that fact, but university is free in some
countries... Thank god, not everything is like in the US in that respect! In
France, for instance, education is completely free, even though we do have
private schools/universities/etc. Anyone who wants it can have a completely
free education. Well, I may be slightly lying here, since you may still have
to buy your books, pay for your social security, etc. But still, it's
nothing in comparison with what I believe people have to pay in the US. It's
like a friend of mine whose daughter managed to get a competitive
scholarship to study medicine (if I recall correctly), but was denied the
money that comes with it on the basis that her dad earns enough to pay for
her education (!!!).
Alan.
Alan Garny
news:4347...@newsgroups.borland.com...
Because some people would take advantage of the system. Why would you bother
working long hours if, at the end of the day, it's not going to make any
difference. In some countries (France again for instance, see my other post
in this thread), some people don't feel like working and they are partially
right, since the system there is so good (read bad in fact - in that respect
at least) that you can nearly survive on social aids from the government. I
unfortunately some people like that who are, unfortunately, very good at
taking advantage of the system.
Alan.
Larry Drews
news:4347...@newsgroups.borland.com:
>
> Well, you may not be aware of that fact, but university is free in
> some countries...
But it is not actually free! Someone has to pay the instructors, maintain
the buildings, etc. Usually from taxes. So everyone is paying, just not
the recipients.
Liz
> But it is not actually free! Someone has to pay the instructors,
> maintain the buildings, etc. Usually from taxes. So everyone is
> paying, just not the recipients.
True but to go with that educational facilities pay less for delphi
anyway, nearly all software vendors have a reduced cost for education.
--
Liz the Brit
somebody
> John Michael wrote:
> > Borland is no longer a trustable company.
> After what they've done lately and all the quality stuff they've put in
> place, with all the information on blogs detailing just what they've
> done and what fixes they've put in I don't understand how you can say
> this.
It sure sounds good on paper. But remember, D2005 sounded terrific too for
those who got burned by D8 - before it was released. I wouldn't say Borland
is untrustworthy but I certainly have my reservations about them in the case
of Delphi. Let's just wait and see.
Max
> It sure sounds good on paper. But remember, D2005 sounded terrific too for
> those who got burned by D8 - before it was released. I wouldn't say Borland
> is untrustworthy but I certainly have my reservations about them in the case
> of Delphi. Let's just wait and see.
>
>
after that they fall asleep at the Delphi front and go to ALM/Inprise
b.s. etc.
Alan Garny
Yes and that means that anyone who is academically good can go to
university, not only those who have money (independent of whether they are
academically good or not). Not to mention that at the end of the day, it
costs the tax payers much less than if they had to pay for the education of
their children...
Alan.
Wayne Niddery [TeamB]
>
> Well, you may not be aware of that fact, but university is free in
> some countries...
TANSTAAFL.
Calculate how much in taxes you pay for all your free stuff sometime.
--
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before they speak.
Alan Garny
news:4347ea3b$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Alan Garny wrote:
>>
>> Well, you may not be aware of that fact, but university is free in
>> some countries...
>
> TANSTAAFL.
>
> Calculate how much in taxes you pay for all your free stuff sometime.
Oh, but I have and that is one of the reasons I have never wanted to move
and work in the US! :)
Alan.
DJSox
> Yes and that means that anyone who is academically good can go to
> university, not only those who have money (independent of whether they are
> academically good or not). Not to mention that at the end of the day, it
> costs the tax payers much less than if they had to pay for the education
> of their children...
>
> Alan.
I have never understood this argument. I didn't have "money", so I worked my
way through school, it just took a little longer(6 years for a BS), but I
still finished with a degree and then went on for a Ph.D. in physics. It's
all about self discipline and work. Why shouldn't I be responsible for my
education?
Dan
Ingvar Anderberg
"Alan Garny" <som...@somewhere.com> skrev i meddelandet news:4347...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> "Ingvar Anderberg" <test> wrote in message
> news:4347...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>> "Larry Drews" <ldrews...@tampabay.rr.com> skrev i meddelandet
>>> Well, then University should be free, also. And all seminars or any kind
>>> of classes. But how do the instructors get paid? Or the owners of the
>>> classrooms?
University !? oops, I read it as universe <g>, it was early in the morning...
>> Why should they need money, if everything was free ? :)
>> (not a bad idea, BTW)
>
> Because some people would take advantage of the system. Why would you bother
> working long hours if, at the end of the day, it's not going to make any
> difference. In some countries (France again for instance, see my other post
> in this thread), some people don't feel like working and they are partially
> right, since the system there is so good (read bad in fact - in that respect
> at least) that you can nearly survive on social aids from the government. I
> unfortunately some people like that who are, unfortunately, very good at
> taking advantage of the system.
I'll guess most people like to work in one way or another
and that should be enough to get the system running,
and we have robotics that can fix the hard and tediously work.
And don't forget: Liz would get her copy of Delphi 2005 :)
//ia
Liz
> I have never understood this argument. I didn't have "money", so I
> worked my way through school, it just took a little longer(6 years
> for a BS), but I still finished with a degree and then went on for a
> Ph.D. in physics. It's all about self discipline and work. Why
> shouldn't I be responsible for my education?
unfortunately it seems people feel its a right to go to university not
a choice, and that it should be free to those who choose it, while
those who dont choose get payed little and pay for the rest to go.
Most of the people I know and respect who went to uni did jobs while
there to pay the costs or at least to try not get into debt. They
usually also finish uni as it would be a waste, rather than if its just
money they will owe in the future, so many of them seem to spend their
time in the bar, fail and then whine when they have to pay it back
(OK some generalisations but, I hung out on a good few universities
here, and it was the same all over)
--
Liz the Brit
Liz
> And don't forget: Liz would get her copy of Delphi 2005 :)
hehe, I wish I were a student :)
My time will come.. eventually.
--
Liz the Brit
Alan Garny
news:4347ff43$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>> Yes and that means that anyone who is academically good can go to
>> university, not only those who have money (independent of whether they
>> are academically good or not). Not to mention that at the end of the day,
>> it costs the tax payers much less than if they had to pay for the
>> education of their children...
> my way through school, it just took a little longer(6 years for a BS), but
> I still finished with a degree and then went on for a Ph.D. in physics.
> It's all about self discipline and work. Why shouldn't I be responsible
> for my education?
Each to his/her own, I guess. Personally, I would say that 6 years to
complete a BS is an awful lot and I am glad it didn't have to take me that
long to complete my degree.
Now, would you tell me that had you been given the choice (i.e. free
education or not) you would still go through what you have been through?
My way of being responsible for my education was to excel to the best of my
abilities. Money should, in my view, never be an issue.
Alan.
Alan Garny
news:4348...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> I'll guess most people like to work in one way or another
> and that should be enough to get the system running, and we have robotics
> that can fix the hard and tediously work.
> And don't forget: Liz would get her copy of Delphi 2005 :)
I really wish you were right! My future brother in law hasn't worked in
years and as far as I can tell, he's never going to! As far as I can tell,
he enjoys the system too much to bother. Just unbelievable to see people
like him, but he's far from being an exception.
Alan.
Alan Garny
news:xn0e899w2...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> DJSox wrote:
>
>> I have never understood this argument. I didn't have "money", so I
>> worked my way through school, it just took a little longer(6 years
>> for a BS), but I still finished with a degree and then went on for a
>> Ph.D. in physics. It's all about self discipline and work. Why
>> shouldn't I be responsible for my education?
> unfortunately it seems people feel its a right to go to university not
> a choice, and that it should be free to those who choose it, while
> those who dont choose get payed little and pay for the rest to go.
Liz, I seem to remember you don't live too far from me (I am in Oxford, well
Abingdon). As you know, the British government is trying to get as many
teens as possible to university. In my view, this is plain wrong. Nowadays,
it's barely possible to distinguish the very good students from the good
ones, as lots of them get As at their A-levels (thanks to exams getting
easier and easier). That's also the reason, in my view, the British
government will be introducing tuition fees (sad in my view!).
I really wish that, in the UK at least, the system was more competitive.
Some course are completely ludicrous. I have heard of one about David
Beckham (studying his life, etc.)!!
> Most of the people I know and respect who went to uni did jobs while
> there to pay the costs or at least to try not get into debt. They
> usually also finish uni as it would be a waste, rather than if its just
> money they will owe in the future, so many of them seem to spend their
> time in the bar, fail and then whine when they have to pay it back
>
> (OK some generalisations but, I hung out on a good few universities
> here, and it was the same all over)
Some generalisations indeed, but I guess it's probably fair nonetheless...
from what I have seen/heard in/about some places.
Alan.
Alan Garny
> Ingvar Anderberg wrote:
>> And don't forget: Liz would get her copy of Delphi 2005 :)
> hehe, I wish I were a student :)
If you were a student in the UK, you would most certainly have access to all
of Microsoft's software for free, but not that of Borland... Very sad
indeed! :(
Alan.
Liz
> Liz, I seem to remember you don't live too far from me (I am in
> Oxford, well Abingdon).
Correct, Im just up the A40, I used to be down the A40 from you :P
> As you know, the British government is trying
> to get as many teens as possible to university. In my view, this is
> plain wrong. Nowadays, it's barely possible to distinguish the very
> good students from the good ones, as lots of them get As at their
> A-levels (thanks to exams getting easier and easier). That's also the
> reason, in my view, the British government will be introducing
> tuition fees (sad in my view!).
As you say, the sad part is, everyone in the UK seems to believe they
should be given a place at uni, and of course all jobs now ask for
degree students, sad part is, half theses people with degrees dont know
much about anything.. Where as, it used to be these people were
impressive..
To go with that GCSE exams seem easier, I did the first year of them,
questions Ive heard as test questions were way easier than the ones I
did.. I mean, when I did it you had A-G I think and N and U, N for
Unclasified, N was didnt show up, and A-G was a grade.. Now, you have
about the same with a+, A++ and a* ..... when I did it, the top x% got
an A, if tons of people got 90+ and you got 80 chances were you got an
E or less. Given also now most home work seems to be done on computers,
with the internet to research it even if you didnt pay attention in
class..
A levels, dont seem any better
I wasnt diagnosed as dyslexic till after I left school. I still have 10
GCSES grade B-D, which was well above average for the first year.
> I really wish that, in the UK at least, the system was more
> competitive. Some course are completely ludicrous. I have heard of
> one about David Beckham (studying his life, etc.)!!
Yup, I heard of that one. Yet, when it comes down to it, people with
that degree probably still have a higher chance of a job.. Mind you, a
number of graduates seem to believe they should auto get jobs paying
25k plus..
--
Liz the Brit
Liz
> I really wish you were right! My future brother in law hasn't worked
> in years and as far as I can tell, he's never going to! As far as I
> can tell, he enjoys the system too much to bother. Just unbelievable
> to see people like him, but he's far from being an exception.
I knew a clergy man (he was the landlord for a previous boyfriend of
mine) who had done 8 degrees..
YAWN
oh all in theology too.. (at least it was relevant)
but, the purpetual student.. many of us have a will to learn, for most
of us here, our will to learn is to better our coding skill. but, we
do it in our free time.. and at no expense to anyone really other than
ourselves.
--
Liz the Brit
Ingvar Anderberg
"Liz" <liz_want...@xcalibur.nospam.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet news:xn0e899ws...@newsgroups.borland.com...
How about selling your Ford Granada ? I saw the picture of it somewhere :-)
Liz
> How about selling your Ford Granada ? I saw the picture of it
> somewhere :-)
Hehe the cortina is worth next to nothing.. I had to give it away :(
they wouldnt even take it as down payment for anything. So I gave it
to man with no income who had time to do it up and love it
--
Liz the Brit
Oliver Townshend
> they wouldnt even take it as down payment for anything. So I gave it
> to man with no income who had time to do it up and love it
My first car was a Cortina (in 1984). He'll need to have plenty of spare
time.
Oliver Townshend
Liz
> My first car was a Cortina (in 1984). He'll need to have plenty of
> spare time.
Not really, it was perfectly runnable, hadnt failed an MOT yet.
Only had 40k miles on the clock (and that wasnt coz it had gone round)
--
Liz the Brit
Lauchlan M
>
> I'll change my question... Is a good idea to keep in Delphi or go away and
> use VS 2005 ?
VS 2005 --> .NET
Delphi 2005 --> .NET and/or WIN32.
I think part of your decision is whether you want/need to move to .NET.
If you don't, Delphi 2005 / 2006 is definitely your choice.
If you do, then try the two IDEs and compare.Also try VS.NET with Chrome
from RemObjects.
It really depends on what you want/need to do, and what your current
projects are in, whether you want to migrate current projects to .net or
keep them on Win32, etc.
HTH
Lauchlan M
Lauchlan M
> upgrade) but, then I can bet my backside in month Id need something
> from the enterprise.. and if I wanted architect... Its ?1540.. I dont
> earn that a month! Let alone have it to spend after paying all the
> bills.
What would you need from Enterprise?
pro + third party components is great unless you want to use ECO, in which
case you need architect SKU.
Although Enterprise does get you a copy of Starteam (but not CalibreRM).
I think pro is not a bad decision.
Lauchlan M
Lauchlan M
> > the time-limited trial,
>
> Really? Are you sure somebody can learn in 30 days all the D2005 stuf?
> I dont think so.
A more interesting question to me is the legality of doing the following:
getting a trial version of Delphi, installing it on a VM with a snapshot of
the VM before the Delphi trial was installed (but with other things like SQL
Server etc installed), using it for 30 days to learn Delphi (NOT doing any
commercial work on it) and then when the trial runs out, rewinding to the
snapshot (or cloning another copy from the base VM), reinstalling the trial
again, and taking a further 30 days to learn Delphi. And so on.
In my opinion this would be ethical, since you are investing time and effort
to learn and evaluate the product (just taking longer to do it) and make no
money from doing so. It is in effect the same as installing the 30 day trial
on one computer then on another then another while doing your evaluation.
Whether it is legal or not would be another question. I don't see why not,
but I haven't read the legal fine print lately.
However, you'd want the full version before seriously using third party
components with it, so the value of doing the above is probably moot anyway.
Lauchlan M
Lauchlan M
> > some countries...
>
> TANSTAAFL.
What does that mean?
It looks like
LKJUKJHKJG
to me.
> Calculate how much in taxes you pay for all your free stuff sometime.
While you're about it, add up the costs for the whole basket of services
over a lifetime in the US - health, education, security because of crime in
the neighbourhood a fewblocks away, 3 or more cars for your family because
there isn't necessarily any decent public transport, etc.
It seems somewhat silly to simply compain about the costs of providing
infrastructure without taking into account the possibly equivalent or
greater costs you would have to pay if the infrastructure wasn't there.
Lauchlan M
Alan Garny
news:4349...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>> > Well, you may not be aware of that fact, but university is free in
>> > some countries...
>>
>> TANSTAAFL.
>
> What does that mean?
>
> It looks like
>
> LKJUKJHKJG
>
> to me.
Not quite: there ain't no such thing as a free lunch... :)
Alan.
Mike Vance
More trustworthy than MS. Every year MS tells its developers they have
reinvinted the wheel and its time to do it the new improved MS way.
Borland is way more consistent than MS and more source code compatible
with the past.
John Jacobson aka Captain Jake
<4346815e$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>
> Borland is no longer a trustable company.
Companies are composites of myriad different individuals, so it is illogical
to trust a company the way you would trust a person.
--
Everything in this post is mere opinion.
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John Jacobson aka Captain Jake
> Glad to see that you will be the guinea pig that will save us from wasting our money on a product that might need a year of patches to achieve stability. Your
willingness is greatly appreciated.
>
It is silly to predict the quality of a product when that product's prior
history shows no discernible pattern in quality.
Pete Goodwin
> I have today licences of Delphi 6 and approved from my boss to buy
> the latest version of Delphi.
>
> Is better wait to Delphi 2006 release or buying Delphi 2005 now give
> me a free upgrade to Delphi 2006 ?
I'd stick with Delphi 6 and wait and see. Delphi 2005 is a mess. I'd
suggest Delphi 7 but they don't sell it any more.
--
Pete Goodwin
(another cheesed off C++ Builder V6 and Delphi 2005 owner)
Pete Goodwin
[snip]
> Switching to VS means losing the Delphi language and any
> codebase you have built up in it. It also means committing future
> development to .NET unless you are willing to code your
> applications in C++, with the resultant loss of productivity.
> VB.NET is simply not as capable as Delphi. It lacks the power
> of Delphi and the ability to create 32-Bit Native Code applications.
> C# may be competitive with Delphi, but the language is .NET only
> and you lose the elegant form designers for .32-Bit Native Code
> Delphi and Delphi VCL.NET. The WinForms designer is crude by
> comparison and WinForms dumps the form code directly into the
> form source code file. This is an accident waiting to happen.
Why is it an accident waiting to happen? I've tried other systems, like
Qt, where you have a choice of using their form designer or using
embedded code in C++. I don't really see why this would be "an accident
waiting to happen"?
--
Pete Goodwin
Cheesed off Kylix, C++ Builder V6 and Delphi 2005 owner
JFN
> "Ingvar Anderberg" <test> wrote in message
> news:4347...@newsgroups.borland.com... >"Larry Drews"
> <ldrews...@tampabay.rr.com> skrev i meddelandet
> > > Well, then University should be free, also. And all seminars or
> > > any kind of classes. But how do the instructors get paid? Or
> > > the owners of the classrooms?
> > Why should they need money, if everything was free ? :)
> > (not a bad idea, BTW)
>
> Because some people would take advantage of the system. Why would you
> bother working long hours if, at the end of the day, it's not going
> to make any difference. In some countries (France again for instance,
> see my other post in this thread), some people don't feel like
> working and they are partially right, since the system there is so
> good (read bad in fact - in that respect at least) that you can
> nearly survive on social aids from the government. I unfortunately
> some people like that who are, unfortunately, very good at taking
> advantage of the system.
In any system, you'll find people trying to get the most to themselves,
and not give back in return. France is not unique in that respect.
--
Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux (EU)
JFN
> "Larry Drews" <ldrews...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96E8D182B432Bl...@207.105.83.66...
> > Well, then University should be free, also. And all seminars or
> > any kind of classes. But how do the instructors get paid? Or the
> > owners of the classrooms?
>
> Well, you may not be aware of that fact, but university is free in
> some countries... Thank god, not everything is like in the US in that
> respect! In France, for instance, education is completely free, even
> though we do have private schools/universities/etc. Anyone who wants
> it can have a completely free education. Well, I may be slightly
> lying here, since you may still have to buy your books, pay for your
> social security, etc.
Registering costs aren't zero either.
No, sorry to contradict, but in France though education (till 18 yo) is
*supposed* to be free, in fact it is not. Ask any technical college
student's parents. They'll tell you the price of the tools, work
clothes and misc. they are required to provide.
It might certainly be far from the cost of education in the US, still
it is not free.
Brad White
news:4349...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>> > some countries...
>>
>> TANSTAAFL.
>
> What does that mean?
>
http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=TANSTAAFL&action=Search
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