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Darrell Fuhriman

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Mar 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/18/98
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I had a Bone Marrow biopsy this morning. Ow! OW! OW! OW!

who ever came up with this one is a real bastard.

Darrell

Mark Atwood

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jdf...@cyberNOTHING.org (J.D. Falk) writes:
> bofh.med.procedurefh.dental-drilling

I just had 3 major fillings put in, 2 of them almost down to the pulp.

I did it without novicaine, to the great surprise to my dentist, who
kept checking to see if I was okay thruout the procedure.

Am I a masocist? No, just that novicaine injections suck more than
fillings do.

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Darrell Fuhriman

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Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> writes:

> Am I a masocist? No, just that novicaine injections suck more than
> fillings do.

It takes a lot of novicaine to get me numb... my doctor today was
quite surprised (as were others who've numbed me before). Of
course, the novicaine is only useful until they start pushing the
needle through your bone...

i'll take the fillings thanks. (And I'll probably have one of
those to deal with shortly as well. feh.) And I'd take a dozen
prostate exams over another BM biopsy. :)

of course, in a couple of weeks, I'll let you know about
bofh.med.procedurefh.chemotherapy. Currently scheduled for
treatment every two weeks for the next eight months[1]. fuck.
Guess I should propose bofh.med.diseasefh.hodgkins, too.
fuck. fuck.

Darrell
[1] though maybe I'll get a break so i can have radiation.

Miquel van Smoorenburg

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Mar 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/19/98
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In article <v6vhtbb...@tick.dev.ampersand.com>,

Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:
>jdf...@cyberNOTHING.org (J.D. Falk) writes:
>> bofh.med.procedurefh.dental-drilling
>
>I just had 3 major fillings put in, 2 of them almost down to the pulp.
>
>I did it without novicaine, to the great surprise to my dentist, who
>kept checking to see if I was okay thruout the procedure.

You know, all the Dutch dentists I've had generally do fillings without
novicaine and look at you with a what-a-luser face when you ask for it ..

Mike.
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Miquel van Smoorenburg |
miq...@cistron.nl | Luck is when preparation meets opportunity

Jan Huijsmans

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In article <6er6av$h2o$1...@defiant.cistron.nl>,

miq...@cistron.nl (Miquel van Smoorenburg) writes:
> In article <v6vhtbb...@tick.dev.ampersand.com>,
> Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>jdf...@cyberNOTHING.org (J.D. Falk) writes:
>>> bofh.med.procedurefh.dental-drilling
>>
>>I just had 3 major fillings put in, 2 of them almost down to the pulp.
>>
>>I did it without novicaine, to the great surprise to my dentist, who
>>kept checking to see if I was okay thruout the procedure.
>
> You know, all the Dutch dentists I've had generally do fillings without
> novicaine and look at you with a what-a-luser face when you ask for it ..

And I have to get the only one in The Netherlands which always gives
novicaine. :-(

Darn dentists. (have to go monday for a bugfix :-()

--

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Mark Atwood

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miq...@cistron.nl (Miquel van Smoorenburg) writes:
>
> In article <v6vhtbb...@tick.dev.ampersand.com>,
> Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >jdf...@cyberNOTHING.org (J.D. Falk) writes:
> >> bofh.med.procedurefh.dental-drilling
> >
> >I just had 3 major fillings put in, 2 of them almost down to the pulp.
> >
> >I did it without novicaine, to the great surprise to my dentist, who
> >kept checking to see if I was okay thruout the procedure.
>
> You know, all the Dutch dentists I've had generally do fillings without
> novicaine and look at you with a what-a-luser face when you ask for it ..

It is an *interesting* feeling without the shot.

It feels like chewing on foil, or electrical arcing from the drill. My
dentist (who is also a professor at Tufts) says it is from the pulp
nerves, which are only sensitive to temperature and pressure, being
overloaded by the vibrations from the drill.

I came that >< close to needing the shot. Dr Habib was was pointing
out to his assistant: "See that dark spot there? That's the pulp just
under a thin layer of dentin. You still okay Mark?" "Gurgle gurgle".
"Good."

Another 0.25mm and I would have been getting a pulp cap or root canal
instead of just a filling. My fault for not going to the dentist for
2 years. Bad Mark! Bad!

st. paul's wort

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In article <v6vhtbb...@tick.dev.ampersand.com>,
Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:
>Am I a masocist? No, just that novicaine injections suck more than
>fillings do.

There's always nitrous. Or TENS. Or hypnosis.

Are you objecting to the lidocaine, or the injection? If it's the
lidocaine, you can always ask for mepivacaine, which is the one they
use for people with heart problems.

rone
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Was when i learned to cry on demand

Mark Atwood

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rone+...@ennui.org (st. paul's wort) writes:
>
> In article <v6vhtbb...@tick.dev.ampersand.com>,
> Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >Am I a masocist? No, just that novicaine injections suck more than
> >fillings do.
>
> There's always nitrous. Or TENS. Or hypnosis.
>
> Are you objecting to the lidocaine, or the injection? If it's the
> lidocaine, you can always ask for mepivacaine, which is the one they
> use for people with heart problems.

It all sucks

The topical anesthetic goo they swab on sucks
The injections suck
The lidocaine sucks
And it really sucks when it starts wearing off

Having an anesthetic for a simple filling is like having one for a
haircut or manicure, i.e. it is only needed if the practictioner
screws up.

st. paul's wort

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In article <v6hg4up...@colon.dev.ampersand.com>,

Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:
>Having an anesthetic for a simple filling is like having one for a
>haircut or manicure, i.e. it is only needed if the practictioner
>screws up.

Your hair or nails aren't closely connected to your skull. My dad
performed a couple of minor fillings on my lower molars w/o
anesthesia, but i had a major cavity in my premolars on the other side
of my jaw. The drilling the dentist did for that was significant,
and, even if it hadn't been painful, it would have most certainly been
uncomfortable without drugs.

Like i said, look into dentists that use TENS or lasers. You can skip
the drugs that way.

hillary gorman

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On 18 Mar 1998 16:34:20 -0800,<dar...@grumblesmurf.net> wrote:
*
*I had a Bone Marrow biopsy this morning. Ow! OW! OW! OW!
*
*who ever came up with this one is a real bastard.

Mine wasn't that bad.

My poor dog Wally just had *three* bone marrow aspirates done. He has
lymphosarcoma. I'm so bummed. I started him on chemo this past Monday (he
got 10,000 IU of L-asparaginase), and he'll be on an asparaginase,
vincristine, cytoxan, adriamycin protocol for about 6 mos (weekly
treatments. Yikes!

Thank god I get a 50% discount. A normal person would already have paid
$800, plus $1500 for chemo.

* *Darrell

Why did you have your biopsy? is everything ok?

h.

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Darrell Fuhriman

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hil...@hillary.net (hillary gorman) writes:

> Why did you have your biopsy? is everything ok?

A week and a half ago, I was diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease.
:( I had the BM biopsy to determine if the cancer had spread
into my marrow. It's not likely that it has, but of course, you
have to check.

I've got lymph node masses in my lower left neck, and a very
large one (about half the diameter of my chest) in my
mediasteinum. Because of the large chest mass, they're starting
with chemo, rather than radiation, which is often the treatment
for earlier staged cancers. (Pending other test results, I'm
IIB, but the Oncologist is treating as a stage III.)

I've got some more tests next week (MUGA, Gallium Scan, and
Pulmonary Fitness), as well as a few trips to the uh... Andrology
Lab, I get a port installed, then I start chemo. Eight cycles of
ABVD. Basically every other week for the next eight months.
Lucky me.

Despite all that, I'm in pretty good spirits, despite the
understandable amount of anxiety...

d.

Mark Atwood

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hil...@hillary.net (hillary gorman) writes:
> My poor dog Wally just had *three* bone marrow aspirates done. He has
> lymphosarcoma. I'm so bummed. I started him on chemo this past Monday (he
> got 10,000 IU of L-asparaginase), and he'll be on an asparaginase,
> vincristine, cytoxan, adriamycin protocol for about 6 mos (weekly
> treatments. Yikes!
>
> Thank god I get a 50% discount. A normal person would already have paid
> $800, plus $1500 for chemo.

Why are you getting that discount?

Our cat just flirted with renal failure, and we were starting
to research veternary kidney transplants (Luckly we live
in Boston). Thats starting to get to serious money, tho still
orders of magnitude less than for human work.

Sorry to hear about your dog, I hope he recovers.

Jeff Gostin

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Mar 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/20/98
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st. paul's wort <rone+...@ennui.org> wrote:
: Like i said, look into dentists that use TENS or lasers. You can skip the
: drugs that way.

TENS? Wuzzat? :) (And please, no 'number' jokes....)


--Jeff

Mark Atwood

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Mar 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/20/98
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Transdermal Electric Neural Stimulator
(someone correct me if I got that wrong?)

For some weird reason, your pain sensors arent as sensitive if they
have a current flowing across them. I knew that TENS are used for pain
treatment in burn victims and also for physical therapy (exercising
muscles when the nerve impules have trouble getting to them), but I
didn't know that dentists used it.

They are also kind fun to play with...

(A. Rich)

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mra> For some weird reason, your pain sensors arent as sensitive if
mra> they have a current flowing across them. I knew that TENS are
mra> used for pain treatment in burn victims and also for physical
mra> therapy (exercising muscles when the nerve impules have trouble
mra> getting to them), but I didn't know that dentists used it.

Well, I know that my S.O. had one used on him one of the times he was
having tubes put in his ears......He said it was the best operation he
ever had. No pain at all.

Sandy Herring

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On 19 Mar 1998 16:45:42 -0800,

All I can say, Darrell, is that this really sucks. Of all the people to
have to deal with this shit, you're one of the least deserving I know.

You mentioned on lobster-l that you also have a two inch scar in your
scalp... WTF is that all about?

Sandy
--
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sa...@herring.org big...@sns-access.com http://www.herring.org/

Darrell Fuhriman

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sa...@herring.org (Sandy Herring) writes:

> You mentioned on lobster-l that you also have a two inch scar in your
> scalp... WTF is that all about?

When I was ten years old, I was playing (American) football in my
neighbor's backyard. I was thrown the ball, I caught it, went
running.. right into the teeter-totter. The high-end of the
thing hit me just above my hairline... 30 odd stitches. I think
this was one thing that helped convince me that football is a
dumb sport. :)

Darrell

endothelial legibility

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In article <6ev6ll$4...@netaxs.com>, Sandy Herring <sa...@herring.org> wrote:
>When I was about that age I made the mistake of standing behind a
>neighbor's daughter when she was practicing her golf swing. I caught a 7
>iron in the noggin on her backswing. I've the same view of golf you have
>of (merkin) football :)

Me, too. Missed my eye by >that< much. It was a 4 iron, though.

rone
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but your sociology sucks, your grasp of the computer industry is weak, and
you need to take econ 101. - Marty J. Fouts <fo...@null.net>

Darrell Fuhriman

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j...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net (Nicest of the Damned) writes:

> I had a picnic table fall on me.

The biggest bump I ever had on my head came from my sister when I
was about age 13. My parents bottled their own peaches, and one
day sent my sister to get some. I was laying on the floor
watching TV, when she walked by with a Mason jar full of peaches,
which slipped out of her hands and right onto my forehead. No
blood, but christ there was a bug bump. I'm actually kinda
surprised I didn't get a concussion...

Darrell

Sandy Herring

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Mar 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/21/98
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On 20 Mar 1998 14:26:21 -0800,

*whew* Glad it's not related to your current malaise.

When I was about that age I made the mistake of standing behind a
neighbor's daughter when she was practicing her golf swing. I caught a 7
iron in the noggin on her backswing. I've the same view of golf you have
of (merkin) football :)

Sandy


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sa...@herring.org big...@sns-access.com http://www.herring.org/

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Violence and committee meetings." -- George Will

Solipsist Nation

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In article <m24t0ss...@artful.grumblesmurf.net>,
Darrell Fuhriman <dar...@grumblesmurf.net> wrote:

>blood, but christ there was a bug bump. I'm actually kinda
>surprised I didn't get a concussion...

I fell off a merry-go-round when I was in third grade. I slipped and flew
something like fifteen feet, and landed head-first on the biggest pointiest
rock embedded in the playground. It hurt a lot, but didn't bleed.

They noticed something was wrong, though, when I was sitting in the front
row moving my head and squinting at the teacher. When they asked what I was
doing, I told them that I had this big grey spot in the middle of my vision
and if I held my head just right, I could make the teacher's head disappear.

That, I discovered, was a good way to make one's teacher freak out and drive
you to the hospital. I was seriously concussed, and I got to stay home from
school for two weeks. The only problem was that when I tried to read, I got
a headache, so it wasn't as much fun as I'd hoped (although my parents
brought me comics 8).

Josh
--
...said it was heaven just to breathe your air Severed Heads
J. Brandt - mu...@sidehack.gweep.net

rif...@cybernothing.org

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Mar 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/22/98
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Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:
>jdf...@cyberNOTHING.org (J.D. Falk) writes:
>> bofh.med.procedurefh.dental-drilling

Hah.

bofh.med.procedurefh.wisdom-teeth-extractions

>I just had 3 major fillings put in, 2 of them almost down to the pulp.

Eh. I had a root canal done and then two caps put on.

>I did it without novicaine, to the great surprise to my dentist, who
>kept checking to see if I was okay thruout the procedure.

I had three wisdom teeth extracted under nothing more than one shot of
novicaine.

>Am I a masocist? No, just that novicaine injections suck more than
>fillings do.

You don't like needles? I would prefer brief, short pain to long, drawn out
pain.

Most novicaine injections hurt so much because they inject it too fast, and
the forcing of fluid into the tissues causes the pain. If it's done very
slowly, it's only a mild discomfort and the novicaine quickly covers that
up.

Now, Pina Colada flavored novicaine... THAT was novel.


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Drifter... :
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rif...@cybernothing.org

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Darrell Fuhriman <dar...@grumblesmurf.net> wrote:
>of course, in a couple of weeks, I'll let you know about
>bofh.med.procedurefh.chemotherapy. Currently scheduled for
>treatment every two weeks for the next eight months[1]. fuck.
>Guess I should propose bofh.med.diseasefh.hodgkins, too.
>fuck. fuck.

Darrell,

If it's any consolation, my father-in-law had non-hodgkins lymphnoma and
underwent chemo. He's fully cured now, only a year later, has his hair back
(and it came in much nicer than his old hair was) and feels about ten years
younger.

He complained quite a lot about everything tasting salty and fish-like.
And he didn't like the enclosed MRI units they made him use. But the treatment
went quite well.

It's a hard path, but Hodgkins and Non-Hodgkins lymphnoma are apparently
the most succesfully treatable forms of cancer. The odds are *very* much in
your favor. :)

rif...@afn.org : "Beer Norm?"
Jeff The Riffer : "Does a rag doll have cloth knobs?"
Drifter... :
Homo Postmortemus :

rif...@cybernothing.org

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Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:
>miq...@cistron.nl (Miquel van Smoorenburg) writes:
>> Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >jdf...@cyberNOTHING.org (J.D. Falk) writes:
>> >> bofh.med.procedurefh.dental-drilling
>> >I just had 3 major fillings put in, 2 of them almost down to the pulp.
>> >I did it without novicaine, to the great surprise to my dentist, who
>> >kept checking to see if I was okay thruout the procedure.
>> You know, all the Dutch dentists I've had generally do fillings without
>> novicaine and look at you with a what-a-luser face when you ask for it ..
>It is an *interesting* feeling without the shot.

It's like chewing on crushed ice. it's not painful, it's fucking COLD.

My dentist doesn't believe in giving novicaine unless absolutely necessary.
For fillings, I had no real problems. When I went to the Dr. she recommended
for the root canal, he didn't even give me a choice. And after the novicaine
had worn off, I realized why. Ow.

Deeeeeep molar rot. Had to empty the whole thing out. Didn't leave much for
her to work with on the cap either.

>I came that >< close to needing the shot. Dr Habib was was pointing
>out to his assistant: "See that dark spot there? That's the pulp just
>under a thin layer of dentin. You still okay Mark?" "Gurgle gurgle".
>"Good."

My dentist is a sweet southern belle, very hands-on and motherly. A great
dentist, about a billion light years better than the nasty, crabby, cold-
hearted asshole I had when I was a kid...

>Another 0.25mm and I would have been getting a pulp cap or root canal
>instead of just a filling. My fault for not going to the dentist for
>2 years. Bad Mark! Bad!

Only 2? I skipped 'em for 5 years or more.

Now I've got a spot between my two upper front teeth that they are watching
'cause it may turn out to be a cavity (and not the flouride stain they
originally thought it would be.)


rif...@afn.org : "Look around you. There are no old warriors."
Jeff The Riffer : --Star Trek : The Next Generation
Drifter... :
Homo Postmortemus :

Mark Atwood

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rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:
>
> Now, Pina Colada flavored novicaine... THAT was novel.
>

Are you sure you're not confusing novicaine with the topical goo
they swab on ahead of time?

The hygenist and I had an interesting discussion of possible flavors
for the stuff while I was getting my root planing[4] done[1]. We came up
with cherry, grape, pina colada[2], and mint.


[1] like I said in an previous post, >2yr since my last cleaning[3]

[2] which is what she was using, feh.

[3] I got to learn first hand what that perodontal(sp) disease that
your dentist always warns you about is.

[4] a wonderful procedure where the hygenist goes under your gum line
as far as possible[6] with little razors[5] and scrapes off tarter and
distressed enamel until your teeth are glassy smooth[7]

[5] she has to resharpen them after every tooth

[6] 3mm to 9mm in my case

[7] Yes, novicaine is used

Mark Atwood

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rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:
> I had three wisdom teeth extracted under nothing more than one shot of
> novicaine.


I am impressed. Really.

I was a coward. I had mine[1] taken out while on a valium IV drip[2]


[1] All four of `em. Two of them "normal" and two of them both buried
and impacted[3].

[2] I remember the nurse swabing my arm[6] for the IV, and the next
memory is me waking up in my own bed with a dull ache in my jaw.[4]

[3] The impacted ones got paid for my my medical insurance as a
"surgical procedure".[5]

[4] I am told that I was able to be walked to my car, be driven home,
and walk to my bed, but I wasn't there for it.

[5] Yes, that means that I had to pay for the other two "out of pocket".

[6] I can deal with needles in my arm, just not in my gums.

Bram Smits

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rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:

>You don't like needles? I would prefer brief, short pain to long, drawn out
>pain.

Yup, exactly. And that's why I have nearly all my dental work done without
novicaine &c. Sure, you may not feel the drilling as much (although a
dentist who knows what he/she is doing shouldn't cause too much pain in
the first place, and having an agreed hand signal that means "you're now
drilling somewhere that fscking hurt, stop it or you'll find yourself the
happy recipiant of an IRS audit" helps a lot), but the injection hurts
nearly as much as the drilling, and my mouth feels funny for several
hours, after which the nerves come back online and _still_ have to adjust
to the new situation for a couple more. I think I had novicaine about
three times (two extracting milk teeth, and once to get some painful root
canal work done in one session instead of 5 rather painful ones), and
that's enough for now... Best thing for me is just to relax and have the
work done, as long as I don't tense up (although I doubt if that's the
correct expression in english) I can exclude most pain anyway. And yes, I do
have quite a lot of fillings.

v__
<"___\____ Bram 'mouser' Smits.

I think, therefore I think I am.

hillary gorman

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On 22 Mar 1998 22:03:43 -0500,<m...@pobox.com> wrote:
*
*I was a coward. I had mine[1] taken out while on a valium IV drip[2]

I had IV pentothal.

*
*[4] I am told that I was able to be walked to my car, be driven home,
*and walk to my bed, but I wasn't there for it.

I cried in the chair for an hour, babbling incoherently about some guy
named Dwight. Then, my mom was driving me home, and we stopped at a
pharmacy to pick up some pain meds - she let go of my arm in the drugstore
so she could hand the guy the prescription - I wandered away and knocked
over two racks of cards and a lipstick display.

hillary gorman

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On 22 Mar 1998 21:53:54 -0500,<m...@pobox.com> wrote:
*rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:
*>
*> Now, Pina Colada flavored novicaine... THAT was novel.
*>
*
*Are you sure you're not confusing novicaine with the topical goo
*they swab on ahead of time?

Actually, hardly anyone uses Novocaine [tm] anymore. Novocaine [tm] was
the trade name for the first commercial, synthetic, local anesthetic,
which was procaine (the first commercial non-synthetic local anesthetic
was cocaine, but I digress). Many dentists giving a local will claim to be
giving Novocaine [tm] because that's what people expect them to say, or
because it's kind of something that has entered the American vernacular as
a catchall term for "local anesthetic your dentist uses" but in fact they
are probably using lidocaine or mepivicaine. it's important to be clear,
though; some people are allergic to some local anesthetics. The topical
stuff is also likely to be lidocaine. It's (obviously) not the drug itself
that's flavored, it's the crap they mix the drug with.

*[7] Yes, novicaine is used

are you *sure* they're using Novocaine[tm]/procaine?

Ingvar bah!

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mu...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net (Solipsist Nation) writes:

My biggest "permanent marking" is a truly wonderful set of scars,
spread over my throat (2, one natural, one converted from natural to
knife-made), shoulder (left shoulder, begins about 2 inches down my
back and ends just below my left nipple) and arms (some 20 small
scars).

How to get that? Well... It's coffee. I blame it on coffee. All of it.
I, 4-soon-to-be-5 decided that carrying the brewing thermos from
beside the stovetop to the table was a good idea. Scale kitchen
ladder, lift thermos, have kitchen ladder fold, pour 2 litres of
boiling water over head. Scream.

//Ingvar (yes, I drink coffee, these days)
--
Bah!

Russ Allbery

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Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> writes:

> I was a coward. I had mine[1] taken out while on a valium IV drip[2]

> [2] I remember the nurse swabing my arm[6] for the IV, and the next


> memory is me waking up in my own bed with a dull ache in my jaw.[4]

That must have been nice. I got to feel my whole arm ache for about ten
minutes before I finally lost consciousness. IVs fscking *HURT*!

--
Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Kate Wrightson

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In article <slrn6hbq1b....@unix3.netaxs.com>,
hillary gorman <hil...@hillary.net> wrote:

>I cried in the chair for an hour, babbling incoherently about some guy
>named Dwight. Then, my mom was driving me home, and we stopped at a
>pharmacy to pick up some pain meds - she let go of my arm in the drugstore
>so she could hand the guy the prescription - I wandered away and knocked
>over two racks of cards and a lipstick display.

I woke up in the middle of it and started talking to the doctor. (yes, it
was apparently a bloody and drool-ish conversation until they sedated me
some more. pentothal.) Joe took me home with the big ice bag wrapped
around my head (all 4 at once), and we stopped at the drugstore to get
stronger meds 'cause two had been hard to get out (real codeine). I had a
big white ice bag, was drooling bloodily, and was stoned out of my mind.
There was also a really cute 3-year-old. Result: one terrified child,
one sobbing me.

The rest of it was fine. I ate a lot of soup.

--
___________________________________________________________________________
ka...@eyrie.org Kate Wrightson www.eyrie.org/~kate
'the world moves on a woman's hips,
the world moves and it swivels and bops'

Mark Atwood

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hil...@hillary.net (hillary gorman) writes:
>
> On 22 Mar 1998 21:53:54 -0500,<m...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> are you *sure* they're using Novocaine[tm]/procaine?
>

Well, actaully no, she did call it lidocaine, so I guess I was using the
term novocaine in kind of the generic sense.

David Iain Greig

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Russ Allbery <r...@stanford.edu> wrote:
>Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> writes:
>
>> I was a coward. I had mine[1] taken out while on a valium IV drip[2]
>
>> [2] I remember the nurse swabing my arm[6] for the IV, and the next
>> memory is me waking up in my own bed with a dull ache in my jaw.[4]
>
>That must have been nice. I got to feel my whole arm ache for about ten
>minutes before I finally lost consciousness. IVs fscking *HURT*!

General anaesthetic. I had all four out at once, including one that was
erupting about 110 degrees from vertical. Apparently he had to climb on the
table to get leverage on that one and the >crack< as it came loose was
impressive.

Ever thrown up with a mouth full of gauze and blood? I did on waking
up. :P I hate anaesthesia.

--D.


--
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Alan Cox

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In article <slrn6h6go...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net>,

Nicest of the Damned <j...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote:
>I had a picnic table fall on me.
>
>No, really! It was pushed up against a tree for the apartment
>complex mowing crew to do their thing. When they were done
>mowing, the kids went out to play. A few decided to push over
>the picnic table. I happened to be underneath it. Conk!
>12 stitches to the forehead. Apparently, it didn't start bleeding

Less embarrasing than how I acquired a thankfully small scar on my head.
I fell off a wall when about 5. Worse than that I fell off a while about 60
seconds after my other said "Get off that wall before you hurt yourself" and
30 seconds after I said "No I wont"

I gather mine was glued not stitched shut hower.

Alan
--

"Please keep the steppes clear
Invading hordes pass this way regularly"

endothelial legibility

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In article <6f0lg4$has$1...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net>,

Solipsist Nation <mu...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote:
>I fell off a merry-go-round when I was in third grade. I slipped and flew
>something like fifteen feet, and landed head-first on the biggest pointiest
>rock embedded in the playground. It hurt a lot, but didn't bleed.

In third grade i chased a basketball - under a currently occupied iron
swing. The swing connected nicely just to the left of my crown. Only
four stitches and a nice bone callus to remind me, yes, i came that
close to being a Darwin Award nominee.

Patrick Gosling

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In article <rone.MonMar23161...@ennui.org>,
endothelial legibility <rone+...@ennui.org> wrote:
[ a thread consisting of vast numbers of bumps on the head - and we
wonder why we're all sysadmins? ]

Most recent of my several scars is just above the hairline (but very
visible with the current crew-cut). Suffice it to say that I acquired
the nickname "Arnhem"[1] from the hashers I run with after I wound up
spending an evening in A+E during a run.

-patrick.

[1] "a bridge too low" ...

Adam Haberlach

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Russ Allbery <r...@stanford.edu> wrote:

>Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> writes:
>
>> I was a coward. I had mine[1] taken out while on a valium IV drip[2]
>
>> [2] I remember the nurse swabing my arm[6] for the IV, and the next
>> memory is me waking up in my own bed with a dull ache in my jaw.[4]
>
>That must have been nice. I got to feel my whole arm ache for about ten
>minutes before I finally lost consciousness. IVs fscking *HURT*!

I don't know--I've learned to get used to them. Look away
while they put the needle in, then watch them push the plunger full of
general, trying to see how long I can fight it...
Dental Implants. Four sites. Top. Bottom. Left. Right.
And I have thin jawbones, so they have to split them up to allow the
bone in my chin to grow back so they can harvest and graft it onto my
jawbone (even after they took a chunk out of my hip).
Some people come back from one Christmas break complaining
about having their wisdom teeth out. I come back from every Christmas
and every Spring break with the same story.

Of course, after the hip surgery, the first thing they asked
was "Do you feel any pain?" I nodded yes, seeing as how I had a
headache (and a mouthful of stitches). The nurses spent the next 40
minutes running around trying to get someone to authorize morphine for
me...they showed up just in time for me to say "I really don't think I
need that any more."


[1] I get to have the bottom ones installed in less then a month.[2]
[2] Yeah, I know it isn't really a footnote...
-- Adam Haberlach
> We are indeed tight-assed tyrannical bastards, and we have had much
> more experience dealing with people like you than you have had dealing
> with people like us. After all, we do it for a living. - Mike Andrews

Darrell Fuhriman

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Russ Allbery <r...@stanford.edu> writes:

> That must have been nice. I got to feel my whole arm ache for about ten
> minutes before I finally lost consciousness. IVs fscking *HURT*!

I just had a port installed.[1] No more IVs for me... at least for
a while. Of course, my chest hurts quite a lot now.[2]

[1] http://www.bardaccess.com/cathlink_20.htm[3]
[2] If I ever end with a new SO, I'm going to have a lot of scars
to explain.
[3] It even came with a manual, and a quick refernce card that I
can show to nurses who are unfamiliar with it.[4]
[4] definitely not a thing to be letting lusers touch

Mark Atwood

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Darrell Fuhriman <dar...@grumblesmurf.net> writes:
> I just had a port installed.[1] No more IVs for me... at least for
> a while. Of course, my chest hurts quite a lot now.[2]
>
> [1] http://www.bardaccess.com/cathlink_20.htm[3]

According to that web site:
|CAUTION: Federal(USA) law restricts this device to sell by or on the
|oder of a physician.

I struggle to think of *why* anyone would want one of thse things
without a physician. Wealthy rock-stars who dont want any more needle
tracks maybe?

Rachael Munns

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In bofh.general, endothelial legibility wrote:

>Only four stitches and a nice bone callus to remind me, yes, i came that
>close to being a Darwin Award nominee.

Ah, now if we're going to talk about Darwin attempts, picture me aged
about twelve. I go to the beach. I find a sea-smoothed, pretty and
*large* piece of green glass. I decide that taking it home would be a
pretty cool thing to do. Everything is OK up until the point where I
lie on the settee.

With the rock in my hands.

Above my head.

Of course, the rock slips out of my hands and impacts on my forehead.
No stitches, but one hell of a bump. "Ow".

--
Rachael Munns oOo vas...@dream.org.uk oOo Fidonet 2:442/600


Charlie Studmuffin

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On 23 Mar 1998, endothelial legibility wrote:

> Solipsist Nation <mu...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote:
> >I fell off a merry-go-round when I was in third grade. I slipped and flew
> >something like fifteen feet, and landed head-first on the biggest pointiest
> >rock embedded in the playground. It hurt a lot, but didn't bleed.
>
> In third grade i chased a basketball - under a currently occupied iron

> swing. The swing connected nicely just to the left of my crown. Only


> four stitches and a nice bone callus to remind me, yes, i came that
> close to being a Darwin Award nominee.

Well, I can't remember what I was doing in the third grade too much,
aside from breathing in the fumes from the incinerator right outside the
classroom windows, but in something like seventh grade, we were outside
doing olympic-like sports as was the fad for that year out in the rural
wilderness, and I was walking across the field to get somewhere, and for
some reason I happened to stop and bend down to pick up something from the
ground.

For the second I was in this position, I managed to avoid a discus
that came flying from behind me a couple dozen centimeters above my
huddled form and landing with a thonk on the ground. A groan of
disappointment was heard from the people who witnessed that.

I did receive a number of funny bumps to my head and elsewhere from
large rocks and gravel driveways and such, but nothing particularly
interesting, save for perhaps the periodic outbreaks of large painful
pus-oozing boils that would cover parts of my body every so often, though
it's been some ten years since I remember having those. Of course, with a
never-ending supply of Lindt and Toblerone chocolates, there is the matter
of my teeth, or what's left of them, but I only live once and have
probably long exceeded that.


Barry Bouwsma, Tele Damnark Infernet
dammit, good chocolate costs twice as much here as elsewhere


rif...@cybernothing.org

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Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:

>rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:
>> Now, Pina Colada flavored novicaine... THAT was novel.
>Are you sure you're not confusing novicaine with the topical goo
>they swab on ahead of time?

Yes. Because I didn't taste it until after he had injected the novicaine.
Plus, of course, I asked them.

"Um. Does that taste what I think it tastes like?"
"Yes, it's Pina Colada."
"Actually, I was thinking 'bubblegum'..."

My regular dentist says she doesn't use the stuff because it has a shorter
shelf-life, which makes sense. Frankly, the taste isn't a big deal to me.
My tongue goes dead after a bit anywho...


rif...@afn.org : Nature is a mother.

rif...@cybernothing.org

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Mar 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/25/98
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Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:
>rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:
>> I had three wisdom teeth extracted under nothing more than one shot of
>> novicaine.
>I am impressed. Really.

I wasn't. I was just desperate and poor.

The dental student kept making jokes about how he was only charging me $50
per tooth and how much of a good mood he must have been in that day.

Ha Ha Ha. *not*

>I was a coward. I had mine[1] taken out while on a valium IV drip[2]

Yes, my wife had hers out last month and went under an IV. She had all four
taken out. Soft-tissue impaction. Mine had come out and *then* veered into
the molars (which is why two of them are capped now).

I was more than happy to let the dental school keep 'em. They were mostly
black. I'm lucky...

>[1] All four of `em. Two of them "normal" and two of them both buried
>and impacted[3].

Oh, just to make you and most other folks feel better, I have a friend who
had SEVEN wisdom teeth extracted.

rif...@afn.org : Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
Jeff The Riffer : --Aldous Huxley
Drifter... :
Homo Postmortemus :

rif...@cybernothing.org

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Mar 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/25/98
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Ingvar bah! <ing...@strokkur.rydnet.lysator.liu.se> wrote:
>My biggest "permanent marking" is a truly wonderful set of scars,

Yow.

I've got an interesting bone-shaped scar on my left hand, just under the index
finger (as well as a less interesting but more debilitating scar in the
webbing between my thumb and hand).

I stuck my finger in the light socket of a bed-side night light when I was
around 5.

Result: Left thumb doesn't move as far as it could, I doubt I'd be any good
at guitar, and an a dangerous obsession with all things electrical... >:)


rif...@afn.org : "If I went around saying that I was emporer becasue some
Jeff The Riffer : watery tart threw a sword at me, they'd put me away!"
Drifter... : --Monty Python And The Quest For The Holy Grail
Homo Postmortemus :

rif...@cybernothing.org

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gr...@ediacara.org (David Iain Greig) wrote:
>Russ Allbery <r...@stanford.edu> wrote:
>>Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> writes:
>>
>>> I was a coward. I had mine[1] taken out while on a valium IV drip[2]
>>
>>> [2] I remember the nurse swabing my arm[6] for the IV, and the next
>>> memory is me waking up in my own bed with a dull ache in my jaw.[4]
>>
>>That must have been nice. I got to feel my whole arm ache for about ten
>>minutes before I finally lost consciousness. IVs fscking *HURT*!

>General anaesthetic. I had all four out at once, including one that was

rif...@cybernothing.org

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gr...@ediacara.org (David Iain Greig) wrote:
>Ever thrown up with a mouth full of gauze and blood?

No.

>I did on waking up. :P I hate anaesthesia.

The surgeon who did my wife's teeth was very cautious about this. They gave
her an anti-nausea pill a month in advance, to take the morning of the
procedure. Made sure she didn't eat/drink anything after midnight before
the operation. Gave her *more* anti-nausea stuff during the procedure. Made
her sign a disclaimer in case of accidental death.

Very cautious. But a nice guy.

Of course, if anything had happened to her, I'd still have beaten the shit
out of him. But fortunately, that wasn't necessary. :)


rif...@afn.org : "Humph! Bugger off!"
Jeff The Riffer : --Dwarven Proverb.
Drifter... :
Homo Postmortemus :

rif...@cybernothing.org

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Darrell Fuhriman <dar...@grumblesmurf.net> wrote:
>[1] http://www.bardaccess.com/cathlink_20.htm[3]

Neat. You're a borg. :)

>[3] It even came with a manual, and a quick refernce card that I
> can show to nurses who are unfamiliar with it.[4]
>[4] definitely not a thing to be letting lusers touch

Tried main-lining any coffee yet? :)


rif...@afn.org : "It's an orang-utan carrying a stunned dwarf followed by
Jeff The Riffer : a troll. But he is quite angry, if that's any help."
Drifter... : --'Men At Arms' by Terry Pratchett
Homo Postmortemus :

rif...@cybernothing.org

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habe...@ucs.orst.edu (Adam Haberlach) wrote:
> Of course, after the hip surgery, the first thing they asked
>was "Do you feel any pain?" I nodded yes, seeing as how I had a
>headache (and a mouthful of stitches). The nurses spent the next 40
>minutes running around trying to get someone to authorize morphine for
>me...they showed up just in time for me to say "I really don't think I
>need that any more."

Anyone *yet* been to a dentist smart enough to give their patients a pad
of paper and a pen?

*sheesh*


rif...@afn.org : Emptiness in twilight's rebirth,
Jeff The Riffer : The faint sounds of shoveled earth.
Drifter... : Madness growing as your mind dissolves,
Homo Postmortemus : Merely secret in my dreams.

Bob Dowling

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The first time I had work done on my teeth after too long a gap she was
chatting with her nurse in a very bitter voice about how badly her divorce
was going.

I got my revenge. After the first session she asked me to keep a "diet
diary" to see if there was something obvious rotting my teeth. I went to
rather a fine party over the weekend of the diary and rather than just list
"glass of wine x N" I listed each fine wine in order. She turned out to be
something of a wine buff and read my list to her nurse, describing the wines
as she went, her voice oozing with envy. Gotcha!
--
Bob Dowling: UNIX Support, University of Cambridge Computing Service,
rj...@cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge, UK. CB2 3QG
+44 1223 334728 http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/
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Russ Allbery

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Jeff Wolfe <wo...@ems.psu.edu> writes:

> How could you forget the cavitron? Perhaps things were'nt that bad?
> Imaging a steel needle that vibrates ultrasonically. They touch it to
> your teeth to vibrate the plaque loose...

Just the standard ultrasound cleaner, or something else? [1]

[1] I started requesting ultrasound instead of scraping the second my
dentist got it, and it's been a factor in choosing dentists every
since. The *only* way to have one's teeth cleaned if you have
non-trivial plaque buildup. [2] It's about five times faster and
doesn't hurt as bad. The only drawback is that you have to keep
managing to swallow without drowning, cause it spits out vast amounts
of water.

[2] Like me. I get tons of it.

Mark Atwood

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wo...@ems.psu.edu (Jeff Wolfe) writes:
>
> >[4] a wonderful procedure where the hygenist goes under your gum line
> >as far as possible[6] with little razors[5] and scrapes off tarter and
> >distressed enamel until your teeth are glassy smooth[7]

>
> How could you forget the cavitron? Perhaps things were'nt that bad?
> Imaging a steel needle that vibrates ultrasonically. They touch it to
> your teeth to vibrate the plaque loose...

I rememeber it. Yow! They used it during the first "prepration"
cleaning. The "little scraping knives" came out on the 2nd and 3rd,
much more serious, visits.

> They offered an injection to me, but I refused.. She did put some
> grape topical goo on part of my gums.. It took them 3 proceedures to
> bring me back up to spec.. I'm not likely to miss another appointment
> for a while.. :)

I go in every 4 months instead of 6 now, and will for a couple of years,
until my gum pocket depth heals back up.

Darrell Fuhriman

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rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:

> Darrell Fuhriman <dar...@grumblesmurf.net> wrote:
> >[1] http://www.bardaccess.com/cathlink_20.htm[3]
>
> Neat. You're a borg. :)

I'm wondering if I can get TP into the thing later on. :)

> Tried main-lining any coffee yet? :)

I was thinking that just a smidgen of grain alcohol would be a
good way to get falling down drunk in a matter of seconds..

Darrell

Kate Wrightson

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In article <6fbb0d$aph$1...@wegener.ems.psu.edu>,
Jeff Wolfe <wo...@ems.psu.edu> wrote:

>Hmm, I wonder if that's what the 'prophy-jet' is? I always thought of
>it as a pressure-washer, didn't think it might ultrasonic. I love it..
>No more rotary polishers..

If you're using the same prophy-jet as our dentist uses, it's a
high-pressure baking soda & water mixture. Essentially, it's sandblasting
with a much finer abrasive. I *love* it.

Thing is, I love getting my teeth cleaned. I especially like the part
with the tartar picks. It's relaxing. [1]

I just dno't like the rotary polishers because the polish always made me
gag.

[1] I said that once a long time ago in the monastery and received several
incredulous responses. But I really do love getting my teeth cleaned. [2]
[2] I also enjoy ironing and reading news.groups. *shrug* Masochist. :)


--
___________________________________________________________________________
ka...@eyrie.org Kate Wrightson www.eyrie.org/~kate

'when you live in your heart, magic happens.'

Bill Newcomb

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#define NOFOOTNOTEPARSING

In article <v6hg4qu...@tick.dev.ampersand.com>,
Mark Atwood <m...@pobox.com> wrote:

>I was a coward. I had mine[1] taken out while on a valium IV drip[2]

One shot of Valium, one shot of barbiturate (seco-, IIRC), four shots
of mepivacaine, one hour of truly nirvanic responsive-but-flat
floating while the surgeon tugs occasionally on my jaw, three holes in
my jaw, forty-five minutes further of pain-free vegetativeness on the
way home, ten minutes of mild pain, one Tylox oxycodone/acetominophen,
ten more minutes of mild pain, ten minutes of severe pain, ten minutes
of ego-annihiliating pain, one tearful call to the oral surgeon,
another Tylox, another hour of moderate pain, another Tylox, ten
minutes of almost no pain lying on the couch, one banana-yogurt
smoothie, three solid minutes of completely incoherent babbling to
father, ten hours of restful sleep.

I've had better days and worse days, but none that oscillated so
violently.

-B.
--
nu...@best.com | "Drink ho-hum juice." -bb@ww.c

endothelial legibility

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In article <6f5ra0$8pu$1...@wegener.ems.psu.edu>,

Jeff Wolfe <wo...@ems.psu.edu> wrote:
>How could you forget the cavitron?

Cavitron(tm) is a registered trademark of Caulk/Dentsply. The correct
term is an ultrasonic scaler.

rone
bofh.pedantry: i see a great need

Down. Not across

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Bram Smits (br...@fangorn.xs4all.nl) wrote:

> correct expression in english) I can exclude most pain anyway. And yes, I do
> have quite a lot of fillings.

Me too. (The fillings part.) I blame it on nearly dying as a kid and
having to take much penicillin which was sugared so I'd drink it.

Who made pico the default editor here? *boggle*


-- Niels.

Kirrily 'Skud' Robert

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In article <6ev6ll$4...@netaxs.com>, Sandy Herring wrote:
>On 20 Mar 1998 14:26:21 -0800,
>Darrell Fuhriman <dar...@grumblesmurf.net> wrote:
>>sa...@herring.org (Sandy Herring) writes:
>>
>>> You mentioned on lobster-l that you also have a two inch scar in your
>>> scalp... WTF is that all about?
>>
>>When I was ten years old, I was playing (American) football in my
>>neighbor's backyard. I was thrown the ball, I caught it, went
>>running.. right into the teeter-totter. The high-end of the
>>thing hit me just above my hairline... 30 odd stitches. I think
>>this was one thing that helped convince me that football is a
>>dumb sport. :)
>
>When I was about that age I made the mistake of standing behind a
>neighbor's daughter when she was practicing her golf swing. I caught a 7
>iron in the noggin on her backswing. I've the same view of golf you have
>of (merkin) football :)

When *I* was ten, I used to play at a friend's house where they had a
swing suspended from a tree, and a trampoline. One day we thought it
would be fun to hitch the swing up high enough so that you could swing
over the trampoline and bounce as you passed the lowest point. Great
fun... until the rope broke, I fell, thwacked my head on the edge of
the trampoline, concussed myself, and ended up with a scar which I
bear to this very day.

This would not be even remotely interesting if it weren't for the fact
that my haircut is one of those ones with very short bits, and I get a
lot of questions about the bare patch on the back of my head. If the
people asking are stupid enough, I tell them it was a bullet wound.
It's *roughly* that size and shape :)

K.
(making her bofhnet debut, unless you count that bofh.test post; Hi!)


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Solipsist Nation

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In article <89081516...@the.satanic.org>,
<rif...@cyberNOTHING.org> wrote:

>Oh, just to make you and most other folks feel better, I have a friend who
>had SEVEN wisdom teeth extracted.

Oh, I've had that.

"And don't eat any corn nuts or chew any ice for a month or so. We had to
take out seven wisdom teeth, and it left a couple of big hollow pockets in
the bone. If you bite down on anything hard, it could snap your jaw right
off."

Eek. I was careful, yes.

Josh
--
...said it was heaven just to breathe your air Severed Heads
J. Brandt - mu...@sidehack.gweep.net

endothelial legibility

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In article <6ff43r$iul$1...@nightstalker.rand.org>,
Lee Ann Goldstein <lee...@nightstalker.rand.org> wrote:
>In article <rone.WedMar25141...@ennui.org>,

>endothelial legibility <rone+...@ennui.org> wrote:
>>bofh.pedantry: i see a great need
>I dunno, rone. If it meant we had to keep the pedantry out of the rest
>of the newsgroups, I can't see it going over very well, and if it doesn't,
>what's the point?

Crossposting.

rone

rif...@cybernothing.org

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ka...@eyrie.org (Kate Wrightson) wrote:
>I just dno't like the rotary polishers because the polish always made me
>gag.

Yep, and it vibrated too much, was way too loud, and worst of all it just
meant they were grinding away a whole bunch of your enamel!! OF COURSE you're
going to get more cavities then! Sheesh.

My wife went to the dentist for the first time in many years, and the first
time she went to a dentist other than her family one. So she was surprised
when Dr. Webb tells her she can fix the chip in her front tooth and get rid
of the flouride stains (and did it in about 5 minutes for no charge). Then
she said "I bet your last dentist was a guy, wasn't he?"

I swear, I'm going to stick with female dentists as much as I can...


rif...@afn.org : "Altered States" (1980) A psychophysiologist floats in a
Jeff The Riffer : sensory-deprivation tank to find God and hallucinates his
Drifter... : way down the evolutionary scale.
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rif...@cybernothing.org

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wo...@ems.psu.edu (Jeff Wolfe) wrote:
>Hmm, I wonder if that's what the 'prophy-jet' is? I always thought of
>it as a pressure-washer, didn't think it might ultrasonic. I love it..
>No more rotary polishers..

The device my dentist uses shoots a mixture of compressed air, water, and
baking powder. It is, essentially, a minature sand-blaster. It just doesn't
use as harsh an abbrasive and not as much pressure.

There maybe a seperate ultrasound system based on a similar concept, but I
don't think it's the same thing. I sure as HELL would have noticed ultra-
sounds near my skull, by getting a nasty headache.


rif...@afn.org : If only women came with pull down menus and online help.

rif...@cybernothing.org

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nu...@shell3.ba.best.com (Bill Newcomb) wrote:
>One shot of Valium, one shot of barbiturate (seco-, IIRC), four shots
[etc etc]

>father, ten hours of restful sleep.
>I've had better days and worse days, but none that oscillated so
>violently.

Wisdom tooth removal, the adulthood ritual of the 20th century.

Yow.

P.S.
My brother had to switch from dentist to oral surgeon *in the middle* of
the procedure. They were just too tightly packed in -- the roots had curved
into claws and were *grabbing* at the jaw bone. Oral surgeon was none too
kind, and my brother was a frothing mad-thing from the pain. After that, the
family dentist quit doing wisdom teeth extractions.
Have I mentioned that he was a fuckwit? Dr. Dell is his name. Kill him for
me if you see him...


rif...@afn.org : The only true failsafe system is entropy.

Kate Wrightson

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In article <8909903...@the.satanic.org>, <rif...@cyberNOTHING.org> wrote:

>the procedure. They were just too tightly packed in -- the roots had curved
>into claws and were *grabbing* at the jaw bone. Oral surgeon was none too

Yeah, all four of mine had curved roots, although they were curved around
some major facial nerve that runs through the jaw, not the bone. Luckily,
one of them showed up as curved on the dentist's panorex, so he sent me to
an oral surgeon first off. It was only during the procedure that they
realized all four were curved.

I doubt they'd have done it in their office had they realized all four
were wrapped around the nerve; just knowing one was doing that was enough
for two nurses and the surgeon to make me read carefully trhough the
section of the release that said "I know this procedure may cause loss of
facial muscle control or nervous sensation and I don't care". I was
rather nervous. :)

Melanie Dymond Harper

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In article <6fg0sn$e...@eyrie.org>, Kate Wrightson <ka...@eyrie.org> wrote:
>In article <8909903...@the.satanic.org>, <rif...@cyberNOTHING.org> wrote:
>
>>the procedure. They were just too tightly packed in -- the roots had curved
>>into claws and were *grabbing* at the jaw bone. Oral surgeon was none too
>
>Yeah, all four of mine had curved roots, although they were curved around
>some major facial nerve that runs through the jaw, not the bone. Luckily,
>one of them showed up as curved on the dentist's panorex, so he sent me to
>an oral surgeon first off. It was only during the procedure that they
>realized all four were curved.

I don't _think_ the one of mine that has already been extracted was curved
around anything nasty, I think the dentist was just incompetent. It took her
half an hour to get the thing to move, while I was novocained (or British
equivalent thereof) to the eyeballs -- it takes a _lot_ to get me numb -- but
still all too aware of the process.

Given that I was never that keen on dentists to start with, the next time I
went for a checkup -- at a different dentist -- they nearly had to sedate
me just to do the exam; I was a quivering, crying wreck.

Not going to go through _that_ again, no fucking way. If they want to take
more out, I want it done the same way that my hubby had it done; go into
hospital 7am Saturday, out by noon, done under general, no pain, no aftercare
problems, and no psychic scarring. (In fact, if I could have any future
dental treatment done under general anaesthetic I'd be a very happy camper. I
don't want to know.)

Mel

Jonathan H N Chin

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Darrell Fuhriman <dar...@grumblesmurf.net> writes:
>rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:

>> Tried main-lining any coffee yet? :)

>I was thinking that just a smidgen of grain alcohol would be a
>good way to get falling down drunk in a matter of seconds..


Had an acquaintance in university who went down to the beach one day.
Decided to dive into the sea. Did so. As the tide was receding.
Tide receded faster than he dived. Jaw hit collarbone. Neck broke.
He ended up spending some time in hospital while nerves rerouted
themselves[1]. Everything healed nicely. Only thing he had to show
for it later was the need to occasionally wear a neck-brace.

Anyway. He was in hospital over Christmas. Apparently there was an
old guy on a drip in a bed nearby. Apparently he could not take any
food/drink orally. Apparently he wanted to join in the festivities.
Apparently someone had the bright idea of taking about a thimbleful
of whiskey and administering it via the drip. Apparently the old guy
became very happy and then promptly conked out.


-jonathan

[1] I guess.
He said he had a scary period where he was entirely paralysed.

rif...@cybernothing.org

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wo...@ems.psu.edu (Jeff Wolfe) wrote:
>Speaking of cool tools, does anyone else's dentist use a prophy-jet
>instead of the old rotary polisher?

Yes, mine does. Actually, I've only been going to Dr. Webb for a few years,
before that I used the family dentist (fuck-wit). So when I got my teeth
cleaned a few months ago, it was my first experience with it.

While it stung the hell out of my lips, I suspect at least part of it was due
to the hygentist being fairly new and a bit nervous. It was certainly more
pleasant than physically grinding away at the enamel...

Weird sensation, odd taste, but over all I prefer it to the grinder.


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Jeff The Riffer : --Die Hard
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Mark-Oliver Wolter

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Alan Cox <al...@snowcrash.cymru.net> wrote:
: I fell off a wall when about 5. Worse than that I fell off a while about 60
: seconds after my other said "Get off that wall before you hurt yourself" and
: 30 seconds after I said "No I wont"

Yep, you only fall when someone tells you you will.

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Caesar

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You bastards. I read this thread, remember that I have to make a dentists
appointment. Then I remember why I haven't yet.[1]

Mark-Oliver Wolter (ro...@mow.physik.uni-bremen.de) wrote:
: rif...@cyberNOTHING.org wrote:
: : My dentist doesn't believe in giving novicaine unless absolutely necessary.
: : For fillings, I had no real problems. When I went to the Dr. she recommended
: : for the root canal, he didn't even give me a choice. And after the novicaine
: : had worn off, I realized why. Ow.
:
: one removed. He did hit the nerve (just as the other one did who then
: said he had to take the tooth out), but I still don't feel a thing after
: half a year, so he seems to have taken care of that OK.
: Let's see how long those new fills last ...

[1] I'm a wimp. Root Canals aren't something I look forward to. Besides, I
haven't turned in the form for my dental insurance yet.

Down. Not across

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rif...@cyberNOTHING.org wrote:

> There maybe a seperate ultrasound system based on a similar concept, but I
> don't think it's the same thing. I sure as HELL would have noticed ultra-
> sounds near my skull, by getting a nasty headache.

Do you have that too?

I have way too many cases in which I walk under power lines and feel a
strange pressure in my skull, or when in high school the teacher left a
220V `dimmer' (a device that can lower the frequency of the signal as
opposed to the normal potmeter that has a different resistance, thus
reducing voltage, but I don't know the English word) running while
explaining something on a blackboard.. "eh, sir, you left that thing
running" "oops, ok".. whew.. kept my ears connected to my skull.


-- Niels.

rif...@cybernothing.org

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Mar 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/31/98
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ni...@xs4all.nl (Down. Not across) wrote:
>rif...@cyberNOTHING.org wrote:
>> There maybe a seperate ultrasound system based on a similar concept, but I
>> don't think it's the same thing. I sure as HELL would have noticed ultra-
>> sounds near my skull, by getting a nasty headache.
>Do you have that too?

Only at close range. Years of listening to Heavy Metal has made me less
sensitive to ultrasonics. :)

>I have way too many cases in which I walk under power lines and feel a
>strange pressure in my skull,

Never had that.

>or when in high school the teacher left a
>220V `dimmer' (a device that can lower the frequency of the signal as
>opposed to the normal potmeter that has a different resistance, thus
>reducing voltage, but I don't know the English word) running while
>explaining something on a blackboard.. "eh, sir, you left that thing
>running" "oops, ok".. whew.. kept my ears connected to my skull.

I can often feel/hear the RF from my computer as it broadcasts to my monitor.
Even with all the shielding the monitor has.

rif...@afn.org : AD&D: Great. Just what we need. A manic bard who can't
Jeff The Riffer : sing.
Drifter... :
Homo Postmortemus :

Down. Not across

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rif...@cyberNOTHING.org wrote:

[snip]


> I can often feel/hear the RF from my computer as it broadcasts to my monitor.

Upon reading that, it occurred to me that if taken out of context this way
and placed on some kook-frequented froup, it could really be explained
wrong...

The only thing I'm getting from my monitor here at work is a headache
since it's an old Sun 20" thing, and at home I get a headache since it's
breaking down (picture won't stand still - especially when playing Quake).
(and no, that's because the whole picture on the tube vibrates, not
because standing still in Quake equals suicide.)


-- Niels.

Darrell Fuhriman

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Rob Blake <r...@atat.dotat.org> writes:

> rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:
> >
> > Have I mentioned that he was a fuckwit? Dr. Dell is his name. Kill him for
> > me if you see him...
>

> Just goes to show, boys and girls, you should never trust *anything* with
> the name Dell.

my pediatrician was named Dr. Payne. However, that's not nearly
as funny as the fact that the tatooist/piercer that I went to a
couple of times was named Rusty Savage.

Darrell

Bryan C. Andregg

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On 04 Apr 1998 15:42:53 -0400, <jup...@tarsier.cv.nrao.edu> wrote:
> I think my sister has this sort of view of fishing. Back when she was
> about 10 (~1980...I was 14ish) we were on a family vacation. I was
> fishing from the side of a lake under some trees when she (very quietly,
> unfortunately) walked up behind me. I caught her with a worm-covered
> hook right above her ear while I was casting....

Hunting sober is like fishing...sober.

--
* wilhelm goes drinking like a fish.

Bryan C. Andregg * <band...@redhat.com> * Red Hat Software

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