agnimandha- Premna integrifolia ?

[sheji ramkumar]

place - Malappuram dt. Kerala state

 

habitat -cultivated

 

habit - shrub / small tree

 

height - 8 m

 

regional name - munha -malayalam, മലയാളം -മുഞ്ഞ

                        sanskrit- agnimandha, संस्कृत -अग्निमंथ

 

charactoristic features: leaves with rank odor

 

leaves- simple,opposit, oblong ovate, pointed at the end

 

inflorascence - cyme / terminal

 

flower - small, greenish white

 

parts used - roots [ member in dasa moola- group of 10 roots mentioned in ayurveda ]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Sheji ji

Now correctly known as Premna serratifolia L.

Sans: Agnimanthah

Hindi: Agetha, arani, ustabunda

Beng: Bhut-bhiravi, ganiari

Mar: Chamari, khara-narvel, aran

Guj: Mothi-arni

Tel: Pomanti, pedda narva, gaebbu nelli

Tam: Munnay, muney kiray

Kan: Eegigida, agnimanda, takkite, bachanige mara

Mal: Munna

Oriya: Aguyabat, bhutto bairi

Assam: Genderi, ganioti

Khasi hills: Dieng-lah-marwal

Nepal: Gineri

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Dr. Hari Venkatesh.K.Rajaraman]

Thanks for the detailed post Sheji ji...

Dear members,

As per GRIN,  Premna sp. also comes under LAMIACEAE...

Is this not P.latifolia var. mucronata??
--
Dr. Hari Venkatesh. K. Rajaraman
                          M.D. (Ay).P.G.D.H.M.
Lecturer/ Scientist Incharge - Animal House,
ALN Rao Memorial Ayurvedic Medical College, Koppa, Chikmagalur Dist. Karnataka
Mob: 09590574495

[Dr. Hari Venkatesh.K.Rajaraman]

Guruji...pls clarify us the differences between Premna serratifolia and P.mucronata...as because, the Agnimanta of Kerala state is different...i will post the photos of keraliya Agnimanta later, which is P. serratifolia hopefully...the accepted source of Agnimanta in other southern states is P. mucronata...and this seems to be that..

[Gurcharan Singh]

Hari ji

Here are the major differences:

P. serratifolia                                                               P. mucronata

Small evergreen tree                                                    Small deciduous tree

Leaves usually serrate                                                 Leaves usually entire

Leaves not acuminate                                                  Leaves acuminate

Flowers greenish-yellow                                               Flowers greenish-white

Calyx 2-lipped, 3 toothed                                              Calyx equally 5-lobed

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[sheji]

Thank you Guru ji for the id confirmation .

yes hari, 'keraleeya agnimantha ' is different. thanks for opening
discussion.

as per my knowledge three plants are concidered as agnimantha in
different regions of india.

P.obtusifolia - eastern & central parts of india
P.latifolia - northern & western regions of india
P.serratifolia - in southern regions

sheji

On Jun 1, 8:07 pm, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hari ji
> Here are the major differences:
>
> P. serratifolia
>   P. mucronata
> Small evergreen tree
>  Small deciduous tree
> Leaves usually serrate
> Leaves usually entire
> Leaves not acuminate                                                  Leaves
> acuminate
> Flowers greenish-yellow
> Flowers greenish-white
> Calyx 2-lipped, 3 toothed                                              Calyx
> equally 5-lobed
>
> --
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.

> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Dr. Hari Venkatesh.K.Rajaraman <
>
>
>
> ayurharivenkat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Guruji...pls clarify us the differences between Premna serratifolia and
> > P.mucronata...as because, the Agnimanta of Kerala state is different...i
> > will post the photos of keraliya Agnimanta later, which is P. serratifolia
> > hopefully...the accepted source of Agnimanta in other southern states is P.
> > mucronata...and this seems to be that..
>
> > --
> > Dr. Hari Venkatesh. K. Rajaraman
> >                           M.D. (Ay).P.G.D.H.M.
> > Lecturer/ Scientist Incharge - Animal House,
> > ALN Rao Memorial Ayurvedic Medical College, Koppa, Chikmagalur Dist.
> > Karnataka

> > Mob: 09590574495- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Dr. Hari Venkatesh.K.Rajaraman]

Thank You Guru ji...for the differences...hopefully then this plant should be P.mucronata itself...

Thank You sheji ji for adding up the different sources..will post the details of Adulterants & Substitutes of Agnimantha tomorrow. 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Hari ji and Sheji ji

Firstly there are only two species under consideration and not three:

Premna serratifolia (syn: P. obtusifolia; P. integrifolia)

Premna latifolia var. mucronata (syn: P. mucronata

The plant represented in this mail is P. serratifolia

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.natureloveyou.sg/Premna%2520serratifolia.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.natureloveyou.sg/Plants-P.html&usg=__vjB49RnD-Ng7q9U27w2VNXKllQY=&h=175&w=262&sz=37&hl=en&start=17&sig2=eth37qCJIHHEKywqOzbcfg&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=NRPCO8KUgie2mM:&tbnh=75&tbnw=112&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPremna%2Bintegrifolia%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=10oFTLe6I5C8rAfz7-GvDg

Premna mucronata has distinctly acuminata leaves.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Dr. Hari Venkatesh.K.Rajaraman]

Dear Guru ji...

Am posting one of my wild life photographs...in which a Pumpkin beetle was found sitting on a Premna leaf... Lets forget the beetle here but when we observe the apex of this leaf, we can appreciate the mucronate nature correctly... The mid rib is found continuing till the apex of the leaf...which we may call it acuminate too. This species is what sheji ji has posted...and well known in the name P.mucronata. and marginal serrations are not clear here. instead it is serrulate. Premna serratifolia is clearly serrate for which i will add the photos tomorrow. Leaves are not this much large in P.serratifolia. they possess small leaves. 

i do accept that Premna latifolia and Premna mucronata have been merged recently...but they were different before. now it is P.latifolia var.mucronata, which i too have mentioned it in my first reply. 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Hari ji

Your leaf appears to be slightly different from one posted by sheji ji. May be if there are more photographs we can compare better.

Well this is not case of simple merger. Only that P. mucronata has been relegated from specific to varietal level under P. latifolia. We still have two distinct taxa:

Premna latifolia now named as Premna latifolia var. latifolia

Premna mucronata now named as Premna latifolia var. mucronata

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Dr. Hari Venkatesh.K.Rajaraman]

Oh thats good to know Guruji...thanks for the information...now it is clear that there are 2 sub species in P.latifolia...

after searching my collections i got one more picture of the leaf....adding up that photo of the leaf  which i claim to be mucronata

[sheji ramkumar]

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From: sheji ramkumar <shej...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: agnimandha- Premna integrifolia ?
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more close ups

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:07 AM, sheji <shej...@gmail.com> wrote:

 premna-mucronata---mucronate-apex.jpg
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