Dock / Wrap HTML / All tag mode - pls help

[Bálint Sipos]

Hey guys,

I've just started using BlueGriffon and I find it a pretty neat software. I work in email marketing and I deal with html a lot. Since I don't need a very sophisticated designer tool I was using Notepad++ to edit the HTML till now. BlueGriffon seems like a nice upgrade but there are a couple of things bothering me.

#1 - Dock

The DOM explorer looks an easy way to edit the tags and it can be docked on the right side. However I'm using a monitor that is flipped to the side that dock would need to go to the bottom. Is it possible to move it to the bottom or the right side is the only side we can use?

#2 - Wrap HTML

in Notepad++ HTML wrapping was default. And it made the job less frustrating than needing to scroll to the right all the time. I checked around but found no option to do that so far? Am I missing something? Can the HTML be wrapped?

#3 - All tag mode

All tag mode is really helpful but I notice that its name doesn't live up to it's function as in fact it doesn't display All tags. I've seen it misses some, like <font> tags. Is this intended or a bug?

Thanks a lot for any comment you can give me about my thoughts.

Balint

[Greg Chapman]

Hi,

On 03 Oct 13 11:31 Bálint Sipos <sbi...@gmail.com> said:
>
> #1 - Dock The DOM explorer looks an easy way to edit the tags and it
> can be docked on the right side. However I'm using a monitor that is
> flipped to the side that dock would need to go to the bottom. Is it
> possible to move it to the bottom or the right side is the only side
> we can use?

The right side is the only place for the dock. The only alternatives
are:

# Set the Panels to float and drag them to the position you prefer

# Use the "Align all panels" facility. (Though this seems to do some
crazy things on Windows and it seems to follow some weird rules
concerning the edge of the screen depending on the placement of the
main window or whether there is more space to left or right or whether
the panel was closest to the left or right when the feature was
implemented.)

> #2 - Wrap HTML in Notepad++ HTML wrapping was default. And it made
> the job less frustrating than needing to scroll to the right all the
> time. I checked around but found no option to do that so far? Am I
> missing something? Can the HTML be wrapped?

Try:
Tools > Preferences > Source > Wrap long lines
and the sub-ordinate option: When lines go beyond column [ ]

> #3 - All tag mode All tag mode is really helpful but I notice that
> its name doesn't live up to it's function as in fact it doesn't
> display All tags. I've seen it misses some, like <font> tags. Is
> this intended or a bug?

I'd say it's not so much a bug as a feature - a deliberate attempt to
get you to code in a more modern style. Presentational tags, such as
<font>, <center> and <u> were deprecated as far back as 1997 and are
illegal in all but HTML4LOOSE in the supported DOCTYPES for
BlueGriffon.

Greg Chapman
http://www.gregtutor.plus.com
Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP
Still exploring BlueGriffon

[Bálint Sipos]

Hey Greg,

Wow for the first one your solution elegant. I feel stupid not thinking of that one .)

For the wrapping... it could still be better. Attached a picture.

In BlueGriffon there are code that goes off screen regardless the wrapping column setting. Those are usually style information, links, but sometime actual texts as well.

Also it seems weird a bit to me that because of wrapping the number of lines are changing. I would think that regardless of wrapping 1 line without wrapping will be one line with wrapping, meaning that the line number on the left doesn't change.

For the third one. I suppose you are right. I should force myself to get rid of these outdated tags.

Thanks for the comments.

[Greg Chapman]

Hi,

On 03 Oct 13 17:43 Bálint Sipos <sbi...@gmail.com> said:
> For the wrapping... it could still be better.

I agree. It has the problems you describe. I, too, prefer the way
Notepad++ handles things.

[jgil...@mcn.org]

Greetings all-

I can't get BG to wrap at all. In the Source Preference I checked "I've checked "Wrap long lines" and even set "when lines go beyond column" to 2 to no avail. Qustions:

1) Am I still missing something? Someone apparently got wraps to work as they complained that wrapping then messed up their line numbering.

2) What constitutes a "column" in BG? There appears to be no column ruler, and I can't find a mention of columns in the manual.

Guess I'll have to re-invest in the current BBEdit if I can't control wraps and line counts in BG. Boo-hoo.

BG 1.7.2, OS 10.8.5.

Cheers, John

[Greg Chapman]

Hi,

On 16 Oct 13 21:45 jgil...@mcn.org said:
> I can't get BG to wrap at all. In the Source Preference I checked
> "I've checked "Wrap long lines" and even set "when lines go beyond
> column" to 2 to no avail.

I can't speak for Mac but on Windows wrapping is limited. Plain text
will wrap (by which I mean the contents of paragraphs, list items,
etc.) but not tag attributes. They wrap at each the next attribute.
This can give them the appearance of continuing "forever".

I suspect the differing experiences of "successful" wrapping may
depend on expectations and the particular code experienced.

> 1) Am I still missing something? Someone apparently got wraps to
> work as they complained that wrapping then messed up their line
> numbering.

Possibly! I understand that when a wrap occurs in BlueGriffon a hard
line end is inserted, so its editor counts the wrapped text as being
on a new line. However, I believe that some external tools, on loading
such a file will strip out such code, or ignore such line endings and
count a line as ending only when terminated by the appropriate HTML
tag.

> 2) What constitutes a "column" in BG? There appears to be no column
> ruler, and I can't find a mention of columns in the manual.

I don't think such a concept exists in BlueGriffon.

Is it that columns are referred to in such things as error reports in
the W3C validator and you can't find a way of matching that to code
once loaded into BlueGriffon? The trouble is that on loading a
document into BlueGriffon that was created in other software, it will
immediately attempt to re-render the code as it sees fit and you will
have problems.

> Guess I'll have to re-invest in the current BBEdit if I can't
> control wraps and line counts in BG. Boo-hoo.

Fundamentally, BlueGriffon in conceived as an editor to be used
through the WYSIWYG view and it determines how any code will be
written. If, by nature, you are a hand coder, then you will not like
BG unless you come to terms with the fact that it will always do
things its way.

[Joeg]

I hand code primarily in BBEdit, there is nothing to touch it, however, I have clients who are not HTML literate and need to update pages daily. I have recommended BlueGriffon and have provided them with snippets to do what they need. This arrangement works well, they work in Windows and as long as you can work within BlueGriffon's parameters, it will work fine. If you step outside those parameters, you will have problems.

[John Gilmore]

Hi Joeg-

Thanks very much for clearly getting to the point of BlueGriffon's limitations. Sorry it took me so long to reply -- I was out of town.

Cheers, John

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[John Gilmore]

Hi Greg-

Thanks so much for your thoughtful and thorough reply. You and Joeg convinced me that I just use Blue Griffon chiefly for quick WYSIWYG tasks and then be wary of what it does with the code.

Through trial-and-error I found that in the General tab of BlueGriffon's Preferences, the "Wrap long lines" check box and drop-down box seem to affect wrapping text rather than tags. I got satisfactory results by having it wrat "when lines to beyond column 110, though I still have no idea what constitutes a "column."

Sorry it took me so long to reply -- I was out of town.

Cheers, John

[John Gilmore]

Hi Joeg-

Thanks very much

On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Joeg <joegille...@gmail.com> wrote: