Characters and symbols

[Ali]

Hello,
I am new to Bluegriffon and am editing a simple website using it. I
am having trouble with the fact that it has removed all the coding for
the characters and symbols, e.g. – . Therefore in the web
browser it looks very strange.
It seems as though you have to go through it all again and replace
them with the bluegriffon ones from the insert menu.
Is this correct? If this is the only way to do it I will have a lot of
work to do changing it to this new system.

Many thanks indeed
Ali

[Charles Cooke]

No Ali you don’t have to put the code in again.
– is an entity which when displayed in a browser shows as an n-
dash.
You can insert such characters into a BlueGriffon page in wysiwyg mode
by using the ‘Insert Characters and symbols’ tool or, if as you seem
to prefer, in source view by just typing –
How then will appear in the final source code depends among other
things on your setting in Tools > Preferences > Output the following
characters as entities. If you want to see the entity select 'All HTML
special characters'. None of this has any effect on how it will appear
to a visitor to the page.
In any case Blue Griffon ‘Source view’ always displays the Unicode
glyph for the character (i.e what would be seen in a browser) so you
need to be aware of the difference between the ‘source code’ and Blue
Griffon’s ‘Source view'.

[Ali]

Many thanks indeed for your reply.
I hope you excuse my ignorance but the problem is this: I have made
the pages outside (In dreamweaver) of Bluegriffon, and they contain
entities such as – and ñ etc etc. If I open up these
files in notepad they contain this code, however if I open them up in
notepad AFTER they have been opened, updated and saved in Bluegriffon
they do not contain these entities and as such they appear strange in
the browser. Somehow Bluegriffon appears to have deleted them.....
Does this make sense? Am I being stupid?

Many thanks

Ali

[Charles Cooke]

Ali,
No you are not being stupid but the issues involved aren't completely
easy.
If you are going to open the code in Notepad you need to ensure that
Notepad can read all the characters included.
The best option is probably to set Tools > Preferences > Output the
following characters as entities to 'All HTML Special characters'.
That will ensure that the source code contains nothing other than
ASCII characters and you can rely on Notepad to read ASCII.
An alternative might be to change your editor to something more
capable of reading HTML source. Komodo Edit is one I can suggest. It
is also free.

[Graham Gould]

Hi Charles,

Further to your email, I have been working through your help site on css. I
found it very enlightening.

I spent last night trying to change the background image size to fill the
web page, and to remove the black border around the tables, without any
success.

I found what I throught was the code on both and have tried to altered width
and margin settings without any luck, the borders are set to 0.

I am at a total loss to know what to do next, my web site can be found at
http://www.btinternet.com/~g.p.gould/

The stange thing is on my laptop which runs vista and my tower runs 7 with
a larger screen, and using tree different browsers the web site looks fine,
but in wysiwyg using bluegriffon it only fill 80 of the page verticaly

my son-in-law looked at it at work on his computer and on his iphone and he
only gets 80% of the background.

I bought a disc to use nvu but it would not run on either of my machines,
and after support from the designers and being asked to load KompoZer which
again loaded but would not run they gave up. So I am unable to download
another similar program to check my site.

As you can see from my site I am not an expert on computers but I use my
site for local interest, but again as I am getting older I like to try and
keep my mind active, but on this css I am having a little trouble to get
started but I do hope to crack it

Hope you can help me

Regards

Graham

[Charles Cooke]

Graham,
I think you have two different sorts of problem.

First the black borders. You have no borders to your tables but every
cell has a border. It is set in line 362 of your code. Black 1px
solid. Just kill that. Then when you have time, scratch your head and
ask yourself why your pages have 400 lines of CSS when about a dozen
lines would probably be enough. I would guess it is a legacy from
Dreamweaver.

Now the images.

Your background image, do you really need it? It is 2.25 Mb in size
and 2500 px high. Similarly your book cover is 5Mb and also 2500 px
high which you have reduced to 443px. It is much better to use images
at the size they will be displayed if at all possible. The big images
really slow the page rendering due to the time needed to download
them. I experimented with your background image (using The Gimp) and
reduced it to a little over 100k, that’s still big but there was no
noticeable loss of quality. However it is more normal to use a smaller
image repeated vertically and/or horizontally. I suspect your other
problems will disappear if you try that.

On Dec 4, 8:57 am, "Graham Gould" <g.p.go...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> Further to your email, I have been working through your help site on css. I
> found it very enlightening.
>
> I spent last night trying to change the background image size to fill the
> web page, and to remove the black border around the tables, without any
> success.
>
> I found what I throught was the code on both and have tried to altered width
> and margin settings without any luck, the borders are set to 0.
>

> I am at a total loss to know what to do next, my web site can be found athttp://www.btinternet.com/~g.p.gould/

[Graham Gould]

Charles

Many thanks for the info, All the css lines were added by the the wizard in
bluegriffon, but by the help I have recieved I am getting there

Regards Graham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Cooke" <k...@charlescooke.me.uk>
To: "bluegriffon" <blueg...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: css

Graham,
I think you have two different sorts of problem.

First the black borders. You have no borders to your tables but every
cell has a border. It is set in line 362 of your code. Black 1px
solid. Just kill that. Then when you have time, scratch your head and
ask yourself why your pages have 400 lines of CSS when about a dozen
lines would probably be enough. I would guess it is a legacy from
Dreamweaver.

Now the images.

Your background image, do you really need it? It is 2.25 Mb in size
and 2500 px high. Similarly your book cover is 5Mb and also 2500 px
high which you have reduced to 443px. It is much better to use images
at the size they will be displayed if at all possible. The big images
really slow the page rendering due to the time needed to download
them. I experimented with your background image (using The Gimp) and

reduced it to a little over 100k, that�s still big but there was no

[Brian A. King]

Which wizard do you mean? It doesn't look like the new document
wizard.

> reduced it to a little over 100k, that s still big but there was no

[Graham Gould]

Hi Brian'
I am running Bluegriffon V1-3-1, under File I ram New Wizard

[Brian A. King]

Graham,

When you run the New Document Wizard under the File Menu the is an
option in the last window to "Apply a predefined CSS layout." If you
select that option, the wizard will put in some long strings of CSS
code from the Yahoo YUI library. When I look at your source code,
that is not what I see.

Your CSS code may have come from Dreamweaver or it could have been put
in by the BlueGriffon Style Properties panel. It is rather verbose,
but unless you go in and change all the margin-top(-right,-bottom,-
left) to a single margin (and the same with padding, border, etc.) I'm
not sure how else you would fix it.

Brian

[Brian A. King]

P.S. Well, you could also move it all to an external CSS.

Brian

[Graham Gould]

Hi Brian

I will try when I get on top of css. I have a lot to learn but I am at least
up and running

Regards

Graham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian A. King" <ba....@verizon.net>
To: "bluegriffon" <blueg...@googlegroups.com>

[Graham Gould]

Hi Brian

Thanks for that last info, I can see what you mean. Could you tell me what
on the last window of the wizard what "include 'lorem ipsum' dummy content'
means please.

Without the help of you chaps on the forun & due to no help menue on
Bluegriffon I would be lost

Again thanks

Graham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian A. King" <ba....@verizon.net>
To: "bluegriffon" <blueg...@googlegroups.com>

[Brian A. King]

It is a standard dummy text used to evaluate layout and style. Try it
out. Add a bunch of random column combinations in the box above it
and see what comes out. It is quite interesting and possibly useful
for some quick and dirty applications, but I think I would go slowly
crazy if I had to tweak the resulting CSS very much.

On Dec 7, 6:42 pm, "Graham Gould" <g.p.go...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi Brian
>