Fwd: [dragonsspine] Archery Update March 23 2013

[Samantha Flannery]

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Date: Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM
Subject: [dragonsspine] Archery Update March 23 2013
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Greetings. Hope you are safe and warm wherever you are.
First, no archery practice this Sunday. Forecast is too cold and windy.

Dragonsspine's Champions tourney is June 8. It will be at Bear Creek Park, so the 20 yard range available to us (but no crossbows - sorry). This will likely be the only target archery event I get to throw, so if you have any ideas of cool ideas for a shoot, please let me know. IN ADDITION, if anyone would like to be a line marshall for this, also let me know so this time I can line people up in advance. Much appreciated.

Still waiting for loaner bows I ordered from Lancaster. Newest backorder date is March 29. Lesson for all of us - if you want a bow, order it as soon as possible, because you may be waiting a while.

Sir Flanagan is making a bulk order of target foam, with TASC and Earl Mika. This same product has been tested at TASC and Mika likes it so much he is ordering 14 sheets of it for Hawk's Hollow and Battlemoor. He is much more patient than I am and bargained down to not having to pay for shipping - if you look in the catalogs shipping typically adds 50% to the cost. I have signed us up for some of it, so by this spring we should have some new target foam.

Some of us are looking into combat archery. What I have found so far:
Combat archery falls under the Earl Marshall, not the Archery General.
You will have to get fully armored and authorized for Heavy Weapons before you can do combat archery. Ask around at Fight Practice on Thursdays (NOT this thursday as the site is closed for spring break), so far everyone has been very cheerful about the idea.
Your choice of weapons are crossbows (not sure on poundage on this) and bows that pull no more than 20 pounds.
i have not been able to locate Outlands RULES yet, but I am still looking. If anyone else has found them, send me a link.

Waiting for Spring - Eorann

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[Samantha Flannery]

Info about the rules regarding combat archery stuff.

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From: Chris Wojtowicz <herr....@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dragonsspine] Archery Update March 23 2013
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Her Excellency is correct, Combat Archery and Siege Engineers fall under Heavy Combat rules.  Our Combat Archery rules also fall under the SCA standard as listed below. These can be found on the Outlands.org website or at SCA.org.

 

http://www.sca.org/officers/marshal/docs/marshal_handbook.pdf 

 

Mind you, our rules are undergoing a slight change and modification for clarity and slight rules changes, but as of now, these give a good guidance.

 

Cheers

 

Sixtus

Baronial Marshal

 

F. Combat Archery Bows/Crossbows

1. All equipment during inspection must have the poundage and draw physically measured with a ruler or other metered device and poundage scale.

2. Marshals must calibrate their bow scales regularly to be accurate at either 30 or 50 lbs, depending upon the

most prevalent bow in their kingdom, as the standard spring scales used can have their measurements vary over time.

3. No compound bows, nor compound crossbow prods, are allowed.

4. No non-period sights, spring/flipper rests, plunger buttons, stabilizers, clickers, or modern string release aids may be used.

5. Bows/Crossbows must be powered by the flex of the limbs.

6. If both Light and Heavy bows/crossbows, by the standards given below, are on the field at the same time, then all Heavy bows/crossbows must have their upper limb (or one limb for crossbows) covered with at least 4 inches (10 cm) of red material (tape, cloth, etc)

7. Handbows

a. Handbow's power is measured at 28 inches (71 cm). If the bow cannot be drawn 28 inches (71 cm), then it cannot be used in SCA combat.

b. The minimum measurement for all handbows is 20 pounds (9.1 kg) at 28 inches (71 cm). c. Light handbows measure 30 pounds (13.6 kg) or less at 28 inches (71 cm).

d. Heavy handbows measure 50 pounds (22.7 kg) or less at 28 inches (71 cm).

8. Crossbows

a. Crossbows are measured by inch-pounds ("#), which is calculated by taking the poundage of the bow measured at the lock, multiplied by the distance (in inches) from the front of the string at rest, to the front of the string when in cocked position). (A metric measurement of kilogram-centimeters (kg-cm) is also allowed)

b. The minimum measurement for all crossbows is 400"# (461 kg-cm). c. Light crossbows measure 600"# (691 kg-cm) or less.

d. Heavy crossbows measure 1000"# (1152 kg-cm) or less.

e. No crossbows may have a modern pistol grip.

 

 

* note #5 below for Combat Archery

F. Hand and Wrist Armor

The outer surfaces of the hand, to one inch above the wrist of both arms and including the thumb, must be covered by one or a combination of the following:

1. A rigid basket or cup hilt with enough bars or plates to prevent a blow from striking the fingers or the

back of the hand. If a basket or cup hilt, shield basket, or center-grip shield is used, a vambrace and or partial gauntlet shall cover the remaining exposed portions of the hand and wrist.

2. A gauntlet of rigid material, either lined with ¼ inch (6mm) of closed-cell foam or equivalent or designed to

transfer potentially injurious impact to the surfaces being grasped.

3. A gauntlet of heavy leather lined with ½ inch (12mm) of closed-cell foam or heavy padding. (Note: A hockey glove is considered to be the equivalent, but looks blatantly modern; their use is discouraged.) Street hockey gloves are NOT equivalent, as the padding is lighter than a regular hockey glove. Street hockey gloves will be treated only as padding.

4. A shield with a shield basket or equivalent. A shield alone is NOT sufficient, since it covers the back of the hand, but not the fingers, thumb, or wrist.

5. Combat archers, siege engineers, and those using a thrown weapon, need only a half gauntlet made to the

above standards for gauntlets but without finger protection.

On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, eorannoc <nanc...@comcast.net> wrote:

 

Greetings. Hope you are safe and warm wherever you are.
First, no archery practice this Sunday. Forecast is too cold and windy.

Dragonsspine's Champions tourney is June 8. It will be at Bear Creek Park, so the 20 yard range available to us (but no crossbows - sorry). This will likely be the only target archery event I get to throw, so if you have any ideas of cool ideas for a shoot, please let me know. IN ADDITION, if anyone would like to be a line marshall for this, also let me know so this time I can line people up in advance. Much appreciated.

Still waiting for loaner bows I ordered from Lancaster. Newest backorder date is March 29. Lesson for all of us - if you want a bow, order it as soon as possible, because you may be waiting a while.

Sir Flanagan is making a bulk order of target foam, with TASC and Earl Mika. This same product has been tested at TASC and Mika likes it so much he is ordering 14 sheets of it for Hawk's Hollow and Battlemoor. He is much more patient than I am and bargained down to not having to pay for shipping - if you look in the catalogs shipping typically adds 50% to the cost. I have signed us up for some of it, so by this spring we should have some new target foam.

Some of us are looking into combat archery. What I have found so far:
Combat archery falls under the Earl Marshall, not the Archery General.
You will have to get fully armored and authorized for Heavy Weapons before you can do combat archery. Ask around at Fight Practice on Thursdays (NOT this thursday as the site is closed for spring break), so far everyone has been very cheerful about the idea.
Your choice of weapons are crossbows (not sure on poundage on this) and bows that pull no more than 20 pounds.
i have not been able to locate Outlands RULES yet, but I am still looking. If anyone else has found them, send me a link.

Waiting for Spring - Eorann

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[Jon Flannery]

So.
About that time again...
Figured I'd ressurect this thread since the combat archery rules are here.

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[Jesse McMinn]

I want to get in on the next foam order. 

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[Samantha Flannery]

Sooo...  I might be being retarded, but can anyone tell me what the specs are for list-legal arrows?

I can't find that anywhere, and would love to order a fucking kit so I can make some.  So we can do this.  Ergh.

Also need to order armor.

[Samantha Flannery]

For clarification, here's the stuff that I was looking at...

http://www.northstararchery.com/store/do/product/CMK/FGARK

[Jesse McMinn]

Section VII Subsection G has the details for ammunition. 

[Samantha Flannery]

"

3.

Ammunition

a.

Based upon the type of ammunition, measure all dimensions for conformance

b.

Grab both

head and tail and pull with moderate force while slightly twisting.

If either end moves laterally it fails.

c.

If the ammunition is with made with foam, check that the tip is constructed in

such a manner that it cannot be forced more than .5 inch (12.7 m

m) into a

legal faceguard.

d.

Check the shaft for signs of cracking or other failure. Check that it is

properly labeled and taped.

e.

Remember that ammunition cannot be more than 10% yellow as yellow is

reserved for siege ammunition."

This part?

Or am I looking at the wrong handbook?  I checked the one linked in the e-mail chain by Sixtus, which I think is the Marshal one...

[Samantha Flannery]

Okay, I found this.

Because none of the documents I found online had a Section VII.  And the Marshall's Handbook, which references said document, didn't provide a link.  Fuckers.

"Combat Archery Weapons Standards.

1. Bows for use with golf tube arrows may have a maximum draw weight of 50 pounds. Bows for use with fiberglass shafts shall be 30 pounds maximum draw weight. Both draw weights are measured at a maximum of 28".
2. Crossbows of firing either golf tubes or Heavy Modified UHMW blunts shall have a maximum draw weight of 1000 inch pounds.
3. Arrows constructed from plastic golf tubes may be of either tennis ball or thrusting-tip style.
4. All fiberglass-shafted arrows shall use a minimum diameter of 1/4 inch solid fiberglass rod. All fiberglass shafted arrows shall have blunts approved for use with fiberglass shafts, with a cross section not less than 1 1/4 inch in diameter. Acceptable blunts for handbow arrows are: Baldar Blunts, Morak, or UHMW blunts. All fiberglass shafted arrows shall have a Full ABD (Anti Bounce-back Device) with a cross section not less than 1 1/4 inch in diameter. It shall not be possible to force the nock of the arrow or any part of the ABD more than 1/2 inch into a legal face guard.
5. All fiberglass shafted bolts shall use a 12" long shaft of ¼" diameter and shall be of the Heavy Modified UHMW Blunt design. This consists of a not less than 2 inch long by 1 1/4 inch diameter core of UHMW Polyethylene, drilled to a depth of 1 inch to accept the shaft with all edges rounded. The striking surface of the blunt shall be covered with no less than 1 inch thick by 1 3/8 inch diameter closed cell foam with 1/8" of foam around the edge of the blunt. The Heavy Modified UHMW blunt shall have a full ABD constructed from no less than 1/2 inch thick by 1 1/4 inch diameter UHMW polyethylene, drilled 1/4 inch deep to accept the shaft with all edges rounded off.
6. All bows and crossbows shall have caps on the ends of their limbs which are 1 1/4" minimum diameter and will not penetrate more than ½" into a legal SCA faceplate."

It looks like the shafts that I found are fine, but not the blunts?  Maybe?